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Geekdom101 Honestly, there is no proper power scaling in DBS simply because it’s all BS and it’s been completely broken, shattered beyond the point of no return. It’s a literally like an actual cartoon rather than an anime series.

The only true dragon Ball power scaler is Revolusane.Chuck lost all validity when he tried to put ssj3 Goku comparable to Ultimate Gohan in the manga and Seth when he thought Broly is stronger than Gogeta,a video he deleted.

I’m pretty sure Freeza’s comment about getting to a Power Level of 1.3 Million was in reference to his 1st form, which means Freeza said he wanted to almost double his strength given his base was 530k on Namek

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The seven year time skip allowed him to get much stronger, learn different techniques and tap into two different forms. 6 years later(plus 3 years in the hyperbolic time chamber) Goku gained 2 more forms, and eventually tapped into ultra instinct. 45 minutes of intense fighting would push any Saiyan to unfounded levels.

Lol, tell that to Broly, he got stronger without even one single hard training, yes Kefla I'm talking about you two too

Eh. That’s DB for ya

@@Omega-jg4oq kefla did train

Exactly.

He knows this to. Hell we all knew this if we watched this show back in the day. That’s why Super’s writing has been unoriginal.

You really believe the only reason they still use ssj is for nostalgia? It was built up for how long as a transformation of legend and saiyans are prideful.

@Void and Fillet Fish In terms of logic in show, SSJ just has the least drain, has done since the Cell Saga where they removed all drain, so it's essentially a free power up, whereas all forms after that have some drain, SSJG we're told has very few issues though but SSJB we know has huge stamina issues

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Definitely

Mostly toxic. People think if your character lose too another it some how Diminish their anime.

@@dec2567 taking a big fat L makes anything look weak, even a sayian god.

Dante Caudillo Most fictional debates are toxic, there’s a variety of reasons as to why.

@@funnybot4605 yeah but only fanboys care. You think these author actually cares if their character loses too another in different anime/manga?

It does make sense though. The only real ones that dont is Broly/Kale, who were saiyans with extreme potential/a fused warrior like Vegito. Beerus is a god, Frieza's golden form is abusurd to powerscale because wtf even is his golden form, Hit can skip time, the Zamsues are technically gods, while Jiren and Toppo are god candidates/beings implicitly stated to be stronger than gods. All of these characters mentioned have power/hax on the realm of the Gods. Any other instance of other characters keeping up with SSB is just Goku/Vegeta being saiyan idiots and enjoying the fight

@@dalesabandal9113 is that you toriyama?

Tbh there ki control is more substained in the state which explains y he did it to fight Krillin but didn’t use it to fight buu (we all know there’s no way Krillin is close to majin buu power terms) and on that note, that’s y I always use the manga for power scaling. It makes so much more sense there. Kefla is at a gohan level and android 17 could only fight up to ssj3 goku

@@simplysupreme1030 Goku literally took naps in his Super Saiyan 1 form, he can't do that in blue. This whole sustainable argument in bs. No reason to use blue against Krillin

@@simplysupreme1030 actually, after Krillin's bullshit power up he probably is right up there with Mr Buu. Wouldn't win because he can't overpower the regen, but similar raw power

Its for nostalgia purposes. Nostalgia sells

Hey, during the Saiyan Saga, Goku and Piccolo had power levels under 500. Clearly that sort of insane power growth isn't impossible in Dragon Ball - it's just, given Roshi's age, you'd think if they could get that powerful through regular training, they'd have done it a century or more ago.

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That would be great. So much of super was so random with random things. The ritual in BoG. But atleast they worked hard and trained for Blue. Only to lose to Frieza, that's been dead for years and achieved his transformation in a short time. Then the whole res F arc for the rest of the Z fighters was going on about how they haven't kept up on fighting. And then they just somehow get it all together for the ToP recruitment arc and be the best they have ever been, holding their own against Blue... And then the big question that's the elephant in the room. How strong is Beerus? Compared to post ToP goku, or UI Goku, Or Vegeta? So many retcons and arguments over how strong, or how much strength Beerus was using in the battle of gods fight. Can Goku or Vegeta defeat him now? Or is Beerus just that much stronger?

Doing it too clearly means there's no drama though. You can predict who wins based mostly on the numbers then.

Yeah but if it’s a clean slate they might make them weaker than they were in Super by not paying attention.

@@specialnewb9821 Dude. Just have Beerus spar against Vegeta & Goku, from that we can scale. Then from there, since Universe 7 is a plot with planets, new enemies with TECHNIQUES that push the main cast to their limits. It's literally 1st grade writing dude.

Facts. This show has to much potential to ruin. I want them to take their time to make sure everything is organized plot, animation, etc.

Just like dragon ball as a whole

Kendall Uzumaki lol hell nah put some respect on db name

Lmao exactly. That's why some of us couldn't get into super.

And close one eye, tilt your neck and stand on one leg while holding a beer. That is when things start to hopefully become clearer.

Power scaling means even lesser now because it's become more merchandise heavy. They are specifically made to bust out random forms even though they don't need it so they can sell those in Fighterz,Dokkan ,Legends etc. These game make more than the even the movie revenues. Hence they don't even care about plot coherence. They know they can just put stuff on screen and people will buy it because it's dragonball . They have never been above doing stuff like this . Even after Toriyama dies, they will breed another guy to keep writing stuff for DB to milk it. This thought that they carefully plan out in a room who is stronger than who is just hilarious now. They literally go against their own source material . They don't give a fuck. One of the reasons I could never get in DBS .

They will bro

Same bro. This show has to much potential to waste and u think during the second half they realized this which is why it got better as it went on. I want them to take their time to get organized so the show can be at its best

Shintani's animation is not old school. It's modern dragon ball.

@@leultrainstinct406 100% agree

am I the only one who didn't liked animation in Broly movie that much. I mean it had some very pretty scenes, animation of final fight Gogeta vs Broly looks dope , but for the most part of the movie, there was a lot bad quality of animation, for example: fight between Frieza and Broly, quality of animation drops badly. If I have to compare between this Broly film and the old one, I would choose the old one.

It could be that simple but we overthink it

And I appreciate that. Power scaling is crazy, but it fits the DB universe perfectly.

he just wants to keep doing his mediocre comedy manga and dragon quest character designs and having nothing to do with DB ever again, can't wait for the day when Toyotaro has total creative control

Naw, he’s just having a good time getting paid. I like DB but Toriyama has become a bit of hack with how often he “forgets” his own story and how he has regressed the development of certain characters. Mainly Goku.

from what i heard "writing" is a little stretch.

Agreed 💯

More accurately, plot boosts.

It's weird cause they said that goku and them has been getting stronger threw out the tournament and during fights. Also weird that people in the tournament only need a min or 2 to recharge/get back to full power while in other arcs they take like 10 minutes to even get back half of there power.

It's all good it’s shitty writing dawg as simple as that...

dont forget Kale tanked super saiyan blue goku kamehameha. then they have the mindset of making Kale and Caulifia fuse into something so much more powerful than Goku's transformation which doesnt make any sense. Caulifia should be a twig to Goku compared to his fighting experiences. Kale shouldn't even be that strong.

@@nicoduran98 glad my hero academia has consistent writing

I don't get how jiren one shots SSB KKx20 Goku who at that point is already way stronger than 17 and yet later 17 is doing dmg and taking hits from jiren later. Makes no sense

That's mindless thinking

@@kendalluzumaki74 at this point, he's not wrong, krillin should be a solar system buster according to dbs logic

@@kendalluzumaki74 I mean..given what SSG Goku and Beerus could do at the beginning of Super when their fight supposedly literally begun to crack the universe. Then take all the crazy power ups and leaps hell from even the T.O.P alone why not add a few more universes to that it would be illogical to think other wise if that feat was actually consistent.

@@treemane0 technically speaking a star buster can destroy a solar system if he causes a supernova

@@AmjedAce Technically technically just destroying all planets of a solar system is destroying the solar system.

like 17 and the rest of the Z fighters?

It's ridicules. "We haven't used Trunks this series, just give him blue aura, done".

I want that on a shirt!

Yo, I spit out my cereal from how funny that was! I needed that mood boost before work, thank you

Hahaha for real

Silence you are mere trash compared to me!

@@diobrando271 Silence non cannon character!

Or you can argue Gero did some power scaling him self as a contingency. If you think about it Goku died in a year and came back roughly 30x stronger than before (His 320 Power level against Raditz to nappa and the Whole Over 9/8 thousand against Nappa) not to mention his Kaioken increases which are like 4 times that at peak Saiyan Saga Goku that's like a 120x increase in like a year. Now take in subsquent years of projected data based on that. Though the bigger issue is, HOW does Gero manage to make Humans into Ssj Hunting machines, when Frieza who was already SSJ tier and was noted to have become stronger from his cybernetic enhancments was still a joke. And It's likely he had the Galaxy or his Empires smartest most capable minds over seeing his entire procedure making him stronger than he ever was before, but he still got killed by a Ssj who's afraid of some guy who cooks up super powerful machines from Earth in his basement basically.

@@Naruku2121 Reminder that Gero didn't even know about Goku turning super sayian. The whole making androids that are stronger than Frieza just seems overkill. It's like if you wanted to kill Mike Tyson and built an atomic bomb to do it.

@@vanjagalovic3621 I think he did some guessing, and calculated how many power boosts goku is going to have and how effective they are and built the androids according to that

TECHNICALLY, only one Android was stronger than an SSJ1 and that was #16. #17 and #18 are Cyborgs (aka not androids) made from Genetically enhanced humans and some mechanical parts. #19 and #20 are Androids but were actually a lot weaker than Goku or Vegeta: #19 gets fucking CLOBBERED by weakened SSJ1 Goku and only starts fighting equally when Goku feeds him a ton of chi via kamehameha and Goku ultimately loses because of the heart virus. Vegeta was able to beat up a #19 that enhanced itself further by taking some of Vegeta's chi (and it was very one sided, a single big bang attack killed it outright). Gero stole some energy from a few ki attacks and then drained Piccolo of a lot of his chi. Piccolo is restored via senzu and then proceeds to fuck Gero into the ground VERY hard. From what we know at this point. Vegeta in SSJ1 is still MUCH stronger than Piccolo which further proves the massive gap. Also fun fact: According to Gero's data, Goku at this point in time should have only been about as strong as Yamcha turned out to be. When patrolling the city, #19 detects a large energy level and determine is must be Goku based on projected data. Instead, it's little ol Yamcha. Gero himself states that based on his algorithms and based on Goku's age, Goku shouldn't be THAT much stronger than he was during the Saiyajin Saga. That's why #19 and #20 are dogshit compared to SSJ1 Vegeta, max power piccolo, weakened heart virus SSJ1 Goku, etc.

@@Shoddragon It's kinda weird then how he made Android 18 & 17 so ridiculously strong, when he was expecting Goku to only be as strong as Yamcha

Bro I've been over this since 2016 he absorbed the power trained his ass off it makes sense if you understand basic powerscaling. Yes 17 getting buffed was an asspull but everything else makes sense.

@@anond5754 No it doesn't.

@@myau9912 To you because you're a casual no offence

@@anond5754 No. It only makes sense if you just completely ignore it and pretend the line never existed, just like Beerus saying he had to use 70% of his power. It was a dumb line that threw everything off, just like Beerus saying Gokus baseform became as strong as his God form.

​@@myau9912 preach

Yea it is honestly lol. Geekdom made a Video 3 years ago basically proving they still get Zenkai boosts.

XxnoscopexX123 even if they stopped getting zenkai boosts their base forms would still get stronger through training. All zenkai boost does is give the saiyans a power boost after they recover from near death.

HellSpawn Vicious that’s what I was telling him but he wasn’t getting it he thinks they capped at frieza saga and goku vegeta and gohan(not mystic) basically have a power level of 3000000 and cabba and Caulifla do as well it was maddening but I wasn’t very nice when I was trying to convince him he was wrong technically the debate is still going on

2Coop 4U he claims that the whole god beyond saiyan thing was in effect for that but it goes away after that arc

God Of Savages pretty sure that’s what he means

Goku base was less than Frieza Namek full power when he fought Beerus. Frieza final form is his base and it was 120,000 on Namek. Goku base was still 3mil. He just beat Frieza bc of the Super Saiyan multiplier=Base×50. In DB Super, Goku base power didnt match Frieza on Namekz thats why Beerus says Goku couldn't have beat 100% Frieza in Goku base form. Goku base didnt past 100% Namek Frieza until after his training with Whis before Frieza Resurrected. Gokus training with Whis made his base power stronger. This allowed Goku to match a Frieza who trained. In DBS Frieza base is higher than 100% Namek Frieza and DBS Goku was able to match it in his base. Before Whis training Goku base >3mil3mil 120mil

Ngl that's kind of 90% of all shonen or basically any story with fighting and the mains are the underdogs.

Gohan: trains with piccolo and swaps hands with Goku who got way stronger Haters: but, but, he use to be weaker he's not stronger😒

Raditz , Vegeta , and Nappa: Can Destroy planet with one hand in Saiyan Saga. But Raditz power level is 1,500. Nappa's power level is 4,000. While Vegeta's is 18,000 in Saiyan Saga. Kid Goten: Can't Destroy Planet even in Kamehameha! Kid Goten power level : 1.55 Billion😂 Kid Goten can definitely solos Saiyan Saga🤣💩 What a 🗑️ anime!!!

The only thing toxic about power scaling during the cell and buu arc were.. -is ssj2 gohan stronger then super perfect cell? -is ultimate gohan stronger then ssj3 goku and gotenks? -is kid buu stronger then all the previous buus? -did goku and vegeta getting stronger threw out the buu arc?

@@MAR-sc7np True! Because I have seen so many debates about these topics ESPECIALLY the debate about which Buu is the strongest. These debates usually can get VERY bad and toxic at times. Other than that, I'm cool with powerscaling period.

@Martin Ramirez in the anime goku is stronger then ultimate gohan but in the manga Gohan is still the strongest unfused character in the buu arc.

@Martin Ramirez Actually Evil buu(super buu) was stronger than Kid Buu. That's why Goku was hesistant to fight him 1 on 1. Kid Buu was the most dangerous Buu but was still weaker than SSJ3 Goku

He didn't have to go blue to beat broly dude he wanted to finish him he was beating his ass in base all he need was to go super saiyan bam brolys done but they had 30 mins so blue ur done bye

@@Wishyouweremeable When Broly went Full Power, he was beating SSJ Gogeta's ass. Maybe SSJ3 Gogeta could've taken out Broly, but that's inefficient, so he went Blue. The real reason he went Blue is fanservice, of course. But FP Broly was overpowering SSJ Gogeta, forcing him to power up again. SSJ2 wouldn't have been enough.

@@SilverRiMiX Also they kind of suspended the Fusion timer being reduced, given that it was literally Vegito's undoing and he had like an hour. That should of been a risk, granted I think SSG Gogeta could of been sufficent. But they went with the more marketable Blue.

@@Naruku2121 SSG would've been enough, and yeah he only went Blue for fanservice/marketing.

@@SilverRiMiX But god is more fanservice than blue. It was barely used, like 5 or 4 times

The thing is frieza shouldnt have reach that lvl of power period

@@Invisibleboy999 💯

@@Invisibleboy999 This aged horribly in the latest manga chapter ngl.

@@Ez-gf2bk i like how they give an actual ok (not great but ok) reason as to why frieza is so much stronger but not when he was in resurrection f like wtf was ur that hard writers?

That power increase from freezer is not coherent with the plot and the story itself, in DBZ freezer shit his pants every time the Common Super Saiyan was mentioned, if he was so scared of it, he only need it to train like what 1 month and he technically will be MILLIONS of times stronger than a ssj1, it took Goku and Vegeta, decades of training, die multiple times, fighting villains hundreds of times stronger than freezer, to achieve their current level, but suddenly he got revived and he jump from point A to Z and abracadabra he's now stronger than them suddenly out of nowhere.

@God Of Savages The Cell Saga was extremely straight forward...

It’s been shit since the namek saga. in the cell saga there is multiple how tien stopped semi perfect cell even know piccolo couldn’t scratch a weaker form of cell how gohan turned a stomp around against cell even though ssj2 is a 2x boost how gohan gets his arm broken by a simple ki blast and then kills cell with one arm . How the humans didn’t die to the cell jrs after cell the jrs to kill them, how the androids are so strong despite Gero not knowing about super saiyan How vegeta,trunks, are just ignored in the cell games despite training longer

@@imedd3191 did you not see how they litteraly trained for most of the times. And tien couldn't 1v1 2nd form cell, that's why he tried to end him with the tri beam

Tremain Dzuimo yeah he used the same move that couldn’t do jack SHIT to a caught of guard Nappa with a smaller power gap. Hell tien probably wasn’t even stronger than base goku at the time. And doesn’t explain how tiens tri bean can stop cell but piccolos light grenade doesn’t make a weaker cell flinch

Tony Ferguson the tri bean still makes no sense because it was used on Nappa and did absolutely nothing at all with a closer gap In power,and tien has been implied to be weaker than base saiyans The reason why the ssj2 x2 boost is also a mess is because apparently the other super saiyan grades power difference was so small it makes you wonder why they even used them plus gohan with 1 arm is stronger then his ssj1 form Also the gap thing has been always inconsistent, (also frieza a 120m power lvl wasn’t constant) like vegeta destroyed Dodoria with a 9% gap yet 1st form frieza and vegeta look even despite vegeta had a power lvl of 240,000, vegeta shaking off gokus kaioken x4 Kamehameha, or how goku didn’t get vaporized from taking a Hit 4x stronger than him, its also kinda odd that when cell unleashed his full power he on ssj2 gohan got barely stronger. and that vegeta and trunks part was more of a story issue mb I think I meant to mention the part how vegeta messed up cell is kinda inconsistent again surprise attacks seem to never work in dbz even on people much stronger than you and some times it dies,it’s all very confusing

If im correct lmao it just tries to promote a game

@NYC_Eddy 😕???

But that's how it is supposed to be. Dragon Ball had made it so that Goku's limit is difficult to pinpoint. All we know for sure is that Goku is undoubtedly capable of destroying Earth and has only gotten stronger. But it's he able to destroy, let's say, a star? A galaxy? A solar system? We don't really know because not only does Goku not have very many feats that are quantifiable but power multipliers went to sit after SSJ3.

Jhordan Thomas bro what r u sayin

@@computationjix428 we know goku can destroy universes at this point, anyway you look at it goku is one of the most op anime main characters

Jhordan Thomas sayan saga vegeta destroyed a planet with 2 fingers in filler , i see no reason that shouldn’t be canon xD

I dont. I personally think they were just shaking the universe and Old Kai was exaggerating as always. Especially the time he said Goku shook the WoV. Him most likely not even being able to quantify how infinite the WoV is.. Now if his assumption was backed up be hierarchy like Bills, GP or Whis then it would be plausible.

Well no its not its the fan base that destroy it and toxic people that spread false facts to the anime and manga

Toei has stopped developing guidebooks for official power multipliers after ssj3 and Z.

Yeah lazy writing

I think it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t using the same power but whatever

Ranger 27 vs Blue Goku for example or Roshi beating Tien like nothing. (Even with the powerup, Tien should have been able to keep up with Roshi instead of getting washed.)

Roshi had not fought in years before getting recruited while Tien has been training constantly so no I don’t buy that, he should have been evenly matched at least with Tien. Also while 17 has limitless energy and has been possibly training he shouldn’t even be near Goku’s level with Blue. SSJ3 I can believe he can match that easily at this point but not with God Ki, that’s just ridiculous.

I don’t remember that detail but if it’s true Tien should have at least been to hold his own or he should just been left out of the TOP entirely. As for 17 if he can match Blue than God Ki must be pointless in general, that form is the highest he can go (excluding Kioken) so 17 should have been taken down like what happened to Tien.

Even then he would be early buu saga goku at best the golden form should be comparable to super vegito if anything

I agree, because Frieza wouldn’t know others power lvls and assume 1.3 million in first form would be huge for his other forms. And during his training he would lvl up ever more. Just assume of course.

You have to understand that authors should try their beat to maintain a consistency in characters powers. With Super there's clearly not even the slightest bit of thought put into the development or consistency of power. The power of a character is determined by what the story needs which make the writing bad. Power scaling is linked to writing in a lot of cases.

Tony Ferguson last part sounds like it started in the namek saga

@@Just_That_Guy910 That is true, if it was up to Toriyama it would of just been Merged Zamasu vs Goku and Vegeta, it was Toyataro who thought adding Vegito was a good idea. It just happend to been one of the cases where it benefits the story AND marketable as hell, that combination is rare...

PlaugeofGripes? I'm a big fan man.

Raditz , Vegeta , and Nappa: Can Destroy planet with one hand in Saiyan Saga. But Raditz power level is 1,500. Nappa's power level is 4,000. While Vegeta's is 18,000 in Saiyan Saga. Kid Goten: Can't Destroy Planet even in Kamehameha! Kid Goten power level : 1.55 Billion😂 Kid Goten can definitely solos Saiyan Saga🤣💩 What a 🗑️ anime!!!

@@bobomo9090 Lmao Goten doesn't have any official power level 😂

@Martin Ramirez you might be right...takes a stupid person to know stupid things.

To be fair toyotaro has nothing to do anime only the manga

There's no justification for super being trash.

Part of it also could of worked if it wasn't implied Goku kept the Godki he had in his base to in some extent imagine the kind of inflation that would be espeically when he still cycles through his older forms as well as his God forms.

@@Naruku2121 ikr

I say this all the time, super saiyan god ( red hair) should've been the last form. It had a backstory and buildup to some point and we were invested, there was a reason behind it. Now with blue it's a whole new different story.

What do you think the direction of ultra instinct should've went?

@@dangelotheartist7483 Guess if keeping in theme with SSG being the last form. Then UI could literally just be a state of mind. It could probaly be used only in SSG with peak control of Godki as well as understanding of how to move autonomously.

Honestly the gains Goku Black was making kind of counters Vegeta for the most part. In most cases he was outdoing Goku himself with Rose' ripping out all kinds of crazy powers which yes even he himself said he didn't understand, but you don't see Goku ripping reality with multiple shadow clones and some shit.

Yeah, I feel like super really pushes for the "we get stronger as the fight progresses", Goku black was the start of this fr It was a gross over exaggeration of saiyan power, as if it wasn't, Goku should've been able to beat Freiza b4 going ssj, he should've grown to be near cells level, and he should've been able to beat kid buu by just constantly hitting and taking damage from him. Vegeta too should've been improving during that fight but they didn't. Had they stopped this over exaggerated growth of power in the goku black arc, it wouldve been ok, but then goku and them start REALLY doing it in the t.o.p and it's like, black shouldn't have been a threat in the 1st place then. There's also Freiza growing beyond ssj, ssj2, and ssG levels. In only 6 months That's a college semester....😂😂😂 There's also broly and how he grows in battle too I think Super has a real problem writing character fights, they over use the "get stronger while fighting" trope and not only that, they are already around God of destruction level if not at it. There's not very much farther they can go in power battles without it feeling really Bleh I think morro is a step in the right direction He's not just pure power but he's got hax that make him dangerous.

@@chriss.249 Yeah, Super's reliance on that whole thing is what really inflates the scaling and it basically capsizes in the T.O.P where it's gets to the point of like 'Are they tired or not?' Like I'll given an example in the T.O.P while there are many. That you can go from Goku cycling all his forms to fight Jiren and get the floor mopped by him in some cases literally given how bad and brutal he got rekted. That some battles two omen uses and may one assist from Frieza later Kaioken Blue Goku with tag team with Vegeta later he's able to swap hands with Jiren. And while some could argue that it still happens and it can some how check out, the problem with that is that it inflates the scaling to absurd levels. It's not to say SBE Vegeta and Super KK Goku where gonna win but there combined efforts were enough that you could retroactively say that if they fought a hypothetical Omen UI Goku first appearnce they might do alright on a low ball version of that Goku given their efforts with a Jiren who wasn't even really worn down by that point and hell even properly rested after the ordeal with UI Omen Goku. Then the issue with that also means that the following UI Omen Goku should be even more absurdly powerful if the leap in power is consistent which it was. But using that getting stronger while they fight while still trying to push the notion of them getting tired too seems counter intuitve or they just gained a lot of power that their fatigue didn't really matter until the plot wanted to harp on it for dramatic effect. And Hell that's just Goku and Vegeta, Gohan kind of had that too in terms of suddenly catching up, but they sort of 'tried' by having him train with Piccolo post RoF. But they basically dragged there feet with it untill the 11th hour and Gohan suddenly got his old power back and more some how. Again the issue isn't that Gohan got his power back but they could of used the HBTC something that had past merits for making characters super strong really fast, hell the manga version had Gohan use the Gravity machine and one could argue that Gohan became too OP. But yeah the problem is like you said the writing as the short of it.

@@Naruku2121 I swear Goku ran out of stamina at least 20 times during the T.O.P. but recovered a few seconds afterwards

@@chriss.249 Actually Goku started this when he began adapting to SSG in base and make it his base form.. That's like me adapting to hydration and staying that hydrated even if I'm in a desert..

@@powerjolt7215 I mean that part I get It's less jarring than the b.s. pulled afterwards. Although tbh I'd say he should NEVER have been able to absorb God into his base.

“I’m outta chakra”-sauske “I wasn’t born in the right clan so I’m out classes now”-like every character that isn’t neji....”for years my rinnegan was a mysterious threat...now just tacked on to all bad guys for that everyone’s a super saiyan affect” -pain....I love naruto but it has the buu saga problem, writing is a mess of ideas and excited poorly. Yk naruto scaling is shit because everyone cool or that works hard, is killed, poisoned, written out of the show, or buffed off screen to be in a small part then never seen again

Naruto is a dbz ripoff

Phillip Abreo I don’t even watch naruto but it is not a dbz rip off, there are lots of differences

War arc.

@@gloving4hire that cap

Unfortunately the power scale in the series has always been pretty hit or miss. The Frieza arc had decent scaling. The cell arc on ward honestly started to get wild. It’s something I started to ignore

@@sun332s7 I think that was Toriyama's purpose since Power levels were a way to show how nearsighted the villains were

Tom O Tom O I’d take z powerscaling any day. Roshi being able to fight off Frieza force soldiers and a Zarbon level fighter giving post-buu Kamiccolo trouble was the start of massive power leaps and just a vast vagueness of how strong these characters are. From Raditz to fat buu, levels of strength were clear and made sense with the few exceptions.

he is logical?u are on 9?he dun even have brain.

@@JimmyyJimmyy calm down dude , no I'm 17 😂 And atleast for me he provides logical power levels between" battle of gods arc untill the tournament of power arc" , the rest like dragonball z .....can be a lot nonsensical yes but for dragonball super i think he makes sense a lot.

Lol zenkai boots man

@@valerwolf255 It's never worked like that though. They always needed to physically recover. The ToP was less than an hour, so these guys were going from "0 energy" to damn near full in minutes.

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But that stamina thing gets blown out the water especially with how many times they spam blue and even more espeically in the T.O.P while SSG gets like one shout out or 3 in like a hundred episodes later in the series.

It's almost non-existent at times.

RaginDXDemon i agree with you. It is almost non existent at times.

How ?

LilSpaz 17 ok so here’s why gokus official power level in the namek saga(ssj) was 150,000,000 now imagine the power level cell who is way stronger then frieza it would be absolutely ridiculous in an interview someone asked Akira toryiama what is majin Buus powerlevel and Akira actually said not even majin buu knows so they do matter it’s just that they get a little ridiculous after they get past the millions and billions now imagine ui omen goku and jirens power level it would be scary

Davis Okeke so basically u agree with me and disagree with him

@@tyhitemup5213 he agrees with both

Raditz , Vegeta , and Nappa: Can Destroy planet with one hand in Saiyan Saga. But Raditz power level is 1,500. Nappa's power level is 4,000. While Vegeta's is 18,000 in Saiyan Saga. Kid Goten: Can't Destroy Planet even in Kamehameha! Kid Goten power level : 1.55 Billion😂 Kid Goten can definitely solos Saiyan Saga🤣💩 What a 🗑️ anime!!!