The Jovenshire may have words.

love the story format and from the cold takes guy! Great job!

Please make more of this

This was excellent and Sebastian Ruiz is a fantastic journalist. I could listen to him talk about video games all day. More please!!!

I did, and am curious what else you could fit into this show.

oh hi Dosh

@@feryth Sup.

And for about 3-4$ you absolutely was not suffering in SE. Honestly, watching your challanges is probably as interesting as playing myself, and it's free, so that's even a better deal

Dosh! Just got into your videos! Been binging them. I misread your message and thought that you thought 150 hours total was a lot and was gonna say something douchey and condescending like 'try 2000 hours noob! Haha bet you envy my lack of a social life!' but then I reread it..

​@@DoshDoshingtonHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Bingo

Unironically started a bigger programming project because I had to put so much effort into the Pyanodon mod that I decided I should just do something less demanding in real life lol.

​@@bleblo13pyanadon: less stressful major coding project: checks out lol

Czech republic is central Europe if you dont mind.

holy hell, i completely forgot you got it through the website. They wound up emailing me a steam key when it got on the platform.

@@szylaj it's a former Eastern Bloc country, thus making it Eastern European. Central Europe is Germany, Austria, and Italy

@@szylaj People like to understand the world in simple terms. "-Cultural history-, nah that is for people who read books."

LOL same here, I remember telling people its a great game but when you go to buy it don't get turned off by the place you get it from because it was a bit shady looking... Best money I ever spent tho $20

Honestly, Frost is one of the few creators I enjoy listening to enough that I'll usually recognize or keep an eye out for him. Especially now that he's been picked up by ZP.

It's LIKE BUTTER

​@@CheestusMcGruberhow does he even exist

Frost has a series on The Escapist called Cold Take, and it's exactly what youre describing.

Gruff it up a bit and be a great new fallout narrorator voice.

Yahtzee is just naked

@@gydgeza8646 he's not naked, he has a hat.

When I open an Escapist video and it's not Yahtzee talking I close an Escapist video. So a really clever trick to get me hooked, kudos.

Thank you for your opinion *NOT BIASED PERSON*

only 647hours played but let me tell you :) theres no short gaming sessions xD

Completely unbiased

Well, when you put it that way... Im in!

Trupen, this is totally a not biased comment. HAHAHA

Yep. I love that bit.

I wonder what flavor those "white popsicles" are.

Very much agreed.

​@@waterbullstudios9195 You don't want to know.

Glad you love it! Just a small correction that it’s Sebastian Ruiz (Frost) and not me (Nick) in the video!

And it doesn't imply "suckerrrr we got ya paying double" if you buy it at full price between periodic "50% off!"-sales like so many other games do.

To be honest, it's worth 10 times that price. The only other modern game I can think which can beat Factorio with buck/hour cheapest price is Terraria.

@@HelgeHolm On the one hand, this is true. On the other hand, I can't really afford games. I don't hunt bargains for "primal satisfaction" like this video implies, I hunt bargains because they're the only way I can sanely partake in the pastime/hobby I've enjoyed for the last ~30 years (or at least, the only way I can justify potentially crippling myself financially for the month in which I make the purchase). Don't get me wrong: I respect companies who have a commitment to this pricing philosophy. I don't think it's bad, per se, that they have a firm minimum value they're willing to accept in exchange for their game, and they always charge that amount. But it is an accessibility tradeoff. For every person who feels like they "paid double" when they see a game on sale they previous bought for full price (I sympathize - I bought all the CK2 DLC over the course of 3 sales, right before they switched to a subscription model), there's someone like me who traded in a pirated copy of the game when a bargain (significant enough that they could delude themselves into paying at all) presented itself. I probably wouldn't own RimWorld if not for the fact that, at one point, Epic offered a flat $10 off any game coupon during their sales - at the time I bought it, I don't think RimWorld had ever been discounted by more than 10%. Sales tax where I live is 15%. If the final price after tax is calculated is still above the non-discounted price, are you even offering a discount? At least negate the sales tax. Christ. I only own Factorio because someone gifted it to me.

@@rushi5638 With respect, as I don't know your budget, that's just an excuse. If someone can't afford to buy more than one game per month at 50% off, they can just use two months' budget to buy a full-priced game. The reality is, if they like the game enough to sink hundreds of hours into it, it's worth the price at any price whether that's $5 or $50.

yeah unless if they make the game more expensive at some point (which they did so, like 2 months ago)

And host mods in their own website

@@kitsunegamedev4526 and constantly update the game to fix bugs that only happen when playing modded!

@preacher3958 OK, and? All you're saying is that either you'll never get the game, or just pirate it. Neither of those makes you particularly special, kiddo.

​@preacher3958It's vastly better than most AAA games so at $35 it's basically half off. And it has a demo. In 2023. Go try it out. You'll be happy you did

@@upcomingshoes6908 Still waiting to see how Satisfactory finally turns out when it releases fully. Specifically how much it supports modding, and how much it leans into combat. I know Factorio already does both, but I prefer Satisfactory's perspective. Those two elements are key though. I'll get Factorio, or not get it, depending on how Satisfactory comes out.

Collab between Frost, JM8 and our new FT editor Jesse Schwab!

Good, I really like frost.

Yup! Inspiration came directly from those episodes. I've wanted to make a series out of that for as long as I've been here, so I'm really excited we've finally found a way to make it happen!

@@theescapist "I've"? Which of you was I here?

​@@blandedgear9704it's pretty much the Honcho himself that replies via the escapist account lol

Yahtzee doing an episode all in one manic breath delivering punch lines faster than you have time to recover from last one, over to Frost doing each sentence with a fresh lung full of cigar sweetened jazz lounge air and a sip of whiskey. It is a fun dichotomy.

He ever warn him to not get them hold any knife.

Good on him. There are better, similar games out there for less nowadays (like Dyson Sphere Program). They should revise their "never goes on sale" BS.

@@NobbsAndVagene Nah, none of them come close to Factorio. Especially in terms of scale. The amount of optimization put into that game is ludicrous and allows bases that wouldnt be possible in any of the "better" alternatives. Its more than understandable that they never go on sale. Way too many people want to pay way too little for many games these days.

@@xXYannuschXx I've played Factorio. Have you played DSP? It's better and costs half as much. And as for scale? You can literally transform a planet. You can transform every planet in a galaxy if you so desire, and have all these factories working together to feed a megafactory. Or however you wanna do it. And they're not done developing that game yet, either - not that it feels unfinished, because it doesn't. Runs great too, very well optimized. Meanwhile I've heard talk of people wanting a 5800X3D or similar high-end processors just to run Factorio. What the fock? It looks like it should be able to run on a pregnancy test. I'd rather pay the same price for DSP as for Factorio, because it's the better game. And honestly, so is Satisfactory, but the full-on 3D might put some people off. Gives off a slightly different vibe. tl;dr: I suggest you listen to your friend more often.

@@NobbsAndVagene You don't understand what they meant by scale, then. Each "planet" in DSP is tiny. I've played both DPS and Factorio, and Factorio is still way ahead in almost everything. If you want a galaxy to explore there's even Space Exploration for Factorio. And I don't understand why people you've heard about wanting a high end processor for Factorio, you can run it very well on incredibly low-end stuff. But Factorio is more restricted by CPU than GPU, once you're working on massive megabase levels. It's to the point that some people use Factorio as a benchmark for the CPU. Now, I'm not saying that DSP is bad, and I really hope it becomes as good as it can, but it has quite a way to go.

The price tag must grow

grab the artillery and 'relocate' the vandals for more factory! do watch out for the train tough

The factory must grow

the factory must grow so the factory can grow

​@ohusky271 but how can a factory grow, if the factory is in the way?

That's your loss. Sorry you missed out on a great game.

@@Thingsyourollup I'll still pick it up at some point. 😀

@@RodneyG669 Moral of the story is BUY IT NOW before the price goes up again.

@@RodneyG669when it goes on sale right?

It is still cheap, just buy and lose tons of hours in your life lol.

I'm pretty sure they're a metaphor for us.

I was only here for the first 18 seconds of the video.

@@Stigvandr Hahaha, definitely totally not at all but just maybe kinda sorta yes.

+

We had someone that worked at a dominos in my home down that was a bit of a local celebrity because his voice was weirdly deep and smooth, like Barry White but more. First time I called to order a pizza (to show how old I am) I seriously thought the guy was doing a bit. Ran into him a few times here and there and no, that's actually just what he sounded like. He was also a pretty scrawny white kid so that was confusing the first time.

@@hourglass1988 Not to put you on the spot or anything. But the fact that the kid being white makes a difference in association with having a deep voice. And the fact that I immediately understand what you mean with 'scrawny white kid', (again not putting this on you) is telling of how deep the anti-white sentiment runs in our collective minds. I wish we didn't need to talk about color, but since we're talking about it, we need to talk about it.

@@mennovanlavieren3885having a deep voice does not make you better. So its not really anti white.

Unlike Valve, Wube have just released an announcement with more details about the expansion and a new time estimate of one year to release.

Wube during early access development though was one of the best companies for communication. Their friday facts blog posts constantly kept people updated on the progress of new developments and the interesting problems they found and the cool solutions they developed to handle them. They have been on and off with continuing the weekly updates since release as the updates are a lot less incremental and take a lot more work before they can really be shown, but I just double checked and they resumed weekly updates a little over a month ago as they have made significant progress on their next expansion.

Check out his other series, Cold Take, on our channel if you enjoy his voice!

i know most people who pirate don’t buy the game after but i had to include that for the feds

funny you mention this. i used to be that guy. i pirated the game when 1.17 was the latest version, played it a bit and loved it. i think i bought it when they had the 1.0 release on steam. i also think the only reason i bought it in the first place was so it wasnt as tedious anymore to install mods. Granted this was my early days and i havent pirated a game since forever ago. But i think factorio is the only game from that time i actually bought afterwards

Did Minecraft increase again after the increase from leaving beta?

How dare you insult my beloved Factorio by comparing it to that mindless Microsoft stock block game.

​@@Thingsyourollup...you haven't been around for the alpha and beta days, have you?

​@@DemRat According to Steam, ive been playing since 2016. I have over 3500 hours logged. What's your point? If you're about to try to relate this back to Minecrap again, even back then this was nothing like that game.

@@Thingsyourollup The alpha and beta of minecraft, back when it had nothing to do with microsoft. The influence it had on the gaming landscape is inarguable, and I am really not sure why you'd want to separate Factorios development from that impact, even if you don't like the game. Would you elaborate why you get so defensive about it?

Factorio is also the singl game that I have seen that has a devteam pushing out bugfixes hours after reporting them, and is polished beyond perfection. Nothing else I have seen is like it.

In a thematically appropriate move, the 99 cents is deemed inefficient, and has been optimised out.

@@NextianGeometry Missing that 0.01 means the express belt is not fully stacked, therefore it affects UPS and can break whole chain :D

I would advise against buying it, unless you have a week of time free. Yes, it's that addictive.

A week? Nahhh More like 30 days per month... But staying a full day without playing per month may be harsh.

Satisfactory is similiar but 3d and does go on sale.

@@graphospasm5394 I like Dyson Sphere Program myself. But Satisfactory also seems cool

@@graphospasm5394 Satisfactory is nice but they don't have any real threats so it's more like just making things, last time i played it anyway.

Sooo... How many years of playtime have you sunk into the factory after learning it never goes on sale?

I still consider it anti-poor pricing. They're a business; they're not refusing sales based on some nebulous "loyalty to customers". They exist to make money. They're refusing sales because, if they never go on sale, all the so-called "bargain-hunters" might break down and buy at full price. They want to make poor people trying to be more frugal with their money pay the same price as wealthier people who can be more free with their money.

@@h3lblad3 Honey, if a poor person is willing to buy a $60 game at half off, then they should be willing to buy a $20-30 game at full price, since the amount paid in both instances IS THE SAME, so framing it as anti-poor pricing is literally insane

@@XiaoYueMao, joke’s on you if you think we’re talking about the same people, then.

@@h3lblad3 Have you considered the value you get for those $35, mods not included? If you don't go around buying every new AAA game and half of Steam when it's on sale, you don't have to spend a lot of money on games, and even if $35 may seem much, the value of those $35 is comparable to at least the same amount of money, if not thrice as much, in other games. Even poor people can afford a ONE TIME $35 investment.

If you're talking about the 10000 price which was quickly fixed to 1000 (removing the extra 0) then it might be less biased to also give all the facts. Strictly speaking since there are trade sanctions towards Russia for their actions it would make sense not to sell in/to Russia at all.

​@@TNH91 I'm sure Putin will be very upset that he can't buy a factory building game on steam

Absolutely THIS! As a software developer, I like how Wube takes their work seriously and don't rush with buggy software. Which not only leads to a better product, but also reduces development cost in the long run, since the code base is healthy and relativity easy to work on. Sometimes I'm so ashamed of what some companies release as software.

2000!! hours.. holy shhit. Where do you get the time

I've ran into one bug, looked for it and didn't find a post. By the time I had written the forum post with screenshots, it was posted. Bug was fixed 6 hours later. Actually incredible.

@@Cenot4ph Factorio has been on Steam for 7 years. Quite easy to accumulate 2000 hours over time. Even easier when you have a very specific taste that few games satisfy.

You know a game is good when people who report bugs are heralded as champions due to their rarity.

You can buy it again and gift it..

@scottjelinek1916 I have done that actually a couple of times

If there was ever a game that deserved to be priced at $60, it's Factorio. I genuinely feel guilty having gotten so much from such a small purchase. I keep checking their merch store so I can give them more money but I don't like wearing shirts that have logos/writing on them for some reason. I really hope they come out with posters and such.

@HDL_CinC_Dragon I completely forget about that. I'm definitely checking out soon!!!! I'm patiently waiting for the expansion, and everything. I love this game so much

​@@Kabluey2011 There might also be a way to upgrade your Factorio account through their website. Originally you could pay for the base game, then additional costs for 'name in the game' and things like that.

you need to get outside more

@@Cenot4phno.

It is also interesting for avoiding the common pricing mind tricks of $XX.99 instead of $XX.00 or $19 instead of $20.

Great points. The cost/time ratio really is god-tier, but it’ll always be a battle against the market expectations. Which is fine, but does mean some entertaining drama is guaranteed!

Science can prove that a game, previously sold for $20 now sold at $35, is factually more expensive than a game with a regular price $70 that is on sale 8 month per year at $40.

And lastly : The devs are selling crack with free sample, and they damn well know it!! So do we. But the factory must grow

I hope you're enjoying Satisfactory. You might not really enjoy Factorio to the same degree as Satisfactory. But if you want to check you could always try the free demo which people say have 10+ hours of playtime in it.

@@Coconut-219 Of course, that's my point. No more half-baked garbage pricing itself on what they claim will be in the finished product. If you're working on a game that you feel is gonna be worth 40 bucks, start by charging 10, and then keep moving the price closer to the 40 bucks as you get closer to the final vision.

@@Coconut-219 What indie game costs $80? I know of exactly zero.

AAA developers already do this, but they just drop support for old games and put the price increase on the new titles so you don't think about it that much. AAA runs on the quick return on investment, they don't focus on the long tail that many indie games do, especially what Wube does.

this might be one of the most comfy channels at the moment

Gas is a commodity. Not saying your wrong, just comparing apples to oranges does not help prove a point.

Definitely, with all the mario 3d all stars debacle there was you got to admit these games just never get old, they not only defined the golden standard for their genre but also aged so well that you can simply slap an HD sticker on the box and resell them over and over again.

Well, doesn't sound so positive once you put the Nintendo example up front

@@thosebloodybadgers8499 Nintendo is trying to sell games to new gamers, not the same 50-year-old gamers who have bought every game since 1985.

@@argylemanni280 so, fleecing tourists as opposed to locals?

Both games are at the very top of my steam library in terms of total play time. Both games id buy again in a heartbeat even if they were 5x more than they cost right now. Although I really prefer how Factorio has kept expanding it's base game while Rimworld abandoned it and went the cash grab route with DLC after DLC after DLC.

@@Thingsyourollup actually WUBE is working on a DLC too, but it looks much more substantial than Rimworld DLCs. In reality, a one time purchase would never work for a game that hopes to see continued development. Minecraft is the only one I can think of that manages to continue that, but they pour a lot of money from microsoft into marketing. I definitely understand why DLCs are important for a continued development cycle. Not mentioning the Realms skin thing they have? Factorio, contrary to rimworld, also has the reputation of being one of the most polished game there is. They spend an enormous amount of effort into making sure bugs just aren't a thing in their game, to the point it actually became a joke to find a bug. Their devlogs are also extremely well written and entertaining to read.

Stop lying. Wube did not get a favorable deal with steam.

@@Atraps003 Why do you think I'm lying? It's not uncommon for devs to get a better deal than the 30% take that steam gets.

@@DrEnzyme Big shot devs get better deals. Indie devs with chump change sales numbers like factorio when it launched on steam do not. The steam release was a big deal for them. They sold more copies on steam in 3 weeks than 3 years on their website.

Maybe in USD. In Poland, they didnt give a warning earlier, when increasing the price from 70 to 120PLN. Later on, when the 30 to 35 hit (with a warning) it jumped from 120PLN to 160PLN - about 10 bucks, not 5. The price more than DOUBLED. All within less than half a year. I cannot call it transparency - I call it scummy. Directly converted USD to PLN should be 140 at MOST, as that's 35$ - but realistically, it should be even less, as Poland is a poorer region and that's what regional pricing is for. 160PLN is a joke and a spit in the face. The devs outright admiting (or pretending) it's okay only makes it worse.

@@XplayYgrek Maybe your currency needs to be better then?

@@TNH91 I would love to get into a proper argument but unfortunately it's just a very fucking stupid and narrow-minded comment i couldn't serioualy answer even if I tried, sorry

There's a pretty in-depth demo though.😊

wtf! 4000 hours! hahaha.. mate, there are people and things outside of your basement