Let me know what you guys think of this more “investigative” type video! ❤️

To be honest, this is a problem in the survival game genre as a whole. Other games that add these features don't do progression to such an interactive degree like TFC or Vintage Story do. TFC was truly the first survival "game" that managed to make stone knapping, leatherworking, farming, and metalworking more interactive than simply selecting a recipe and waiting for the result to be crafted. Other games like 7 Days to Die or SCUM simply have crafting menus that all look the same no matter the workstation used, and they all use the same style of crafting via clicking what you want crafted and waiting for the timer to count down. TFC made what other games couldn't get right possible. By making most of the crafting systems interactive in such a way as they did, it made progression actually feel nice. However, this was all still through Minecraft, meaning that with each MC update, the mod would have to change and adapt, either leaving behind old features or completely changing current ones. Plus, most of the crafting is still done through UIs and menus, not because of stylistic choice or simplicity, but because of it being a Minecraft mod still. Vintage Story saw what TFC did, figured out what it could do to further improve and add upon, and did it all in their own engine. They even have the game's source code publicly available for modders and bug fixers to use when making new mods or when making new updates. In this sense, there's no plagiarism or wrongdoing from TFC or from Vintage Story at all. It's simply a progression in how video games are made. Vintage Story isn't even the first to do this. Garry's Mod, DayZ, PUBG, and more all started off as mods for other games before branching off and becoming their own games later on. People never got mad or defensive when those games took off. It's really just a problem with the Minecraft community being overly critical and argumentative when they don't even have all the facts and examples laid out to do so. People really need to just let this go tbh.

TFC still feels like it's just a revamped Minecraft, while Vintage Story has managed to establish its own identity and completely immerse me in its world. One of Minecraft's weakest aspects, to me, is its lack of direction and consistency; it really just feels like a hodgepodge of random features at this point.

The people saying Vintage Story stole from TFC are the types of people that say every FPS game is CoD rip off.

Whether it's copying or not, it's clear that TFC and VC are on good terms. Starting drama is fighting a battle with no victors.

Whoever said this is uglier is straght up coping

If I recall correctly, he DID get permission from Terrafirmacraft to use the textures in vintagecraft. Which was more of a similar mod to Terrafirmacraft. Much like how the Create mod is similar to Ugocraft. People don't realize this fact... Create was the EXACT same situation here.

No, Patrick, Vintage Story is not a rip-off of TFC

Vintage Story explicitly credits TFC as its basis for inspiration, the devs are all very aware of this and everyone is on perfectly good terms. This is a non issue.

There is a difference between copying and taking inspiration from something... Vintage Story is _clearly_ inspired by Minecraft, but that doesn't make it Minecraft. The same is true for TFC. You can take ideas from other things and expand upon them, but that doesn't make it a blatant ripoff.

TFC built a great Minecraft mod. Vintage Story threw Minecraft out entirely and programmed a completely new game from the ground up.

A while back when I saw a TFC+ Video here on youtube I read a lil bit on it since was confused. TFC 2 was planned by Bioxx to update TFC past 1.8 seperate from TFC:TNG, but he quit modding and the Vintage Story Team was supposedly planning on taking over, before pivoting to just make it their own game. From what I recall, generally old TFC had quite a lotta performance issues so its entirely possible that was their reasoning for not using it as a base to develop their idea. Clearly took inspiration and to begin with had some involvement in developing TFC, but yk they're doing their own thing and they started doing that in a time where TFC was undergoing a change in Dev Teams and forking into slightly different alterations.

Vintage Story isn't also just a Game, they build a whole unique Engine around it and the "Game" Vintage Story is just a Mod in this Engine. Like if TFC would not only be a Mod in Minecraft, but the Mod team would have build Minecraft to play TFC.

It's very silly to excuse one game from stealing another while both just simulate irl mechanics?? Those are not the only games that do those things as well. It's like saying Fortnite stole from minecraft cuz fortnite has sky...

Having played Vintage Story for a long time, it really is its own thing, so far removed with its own identity. It is it's own thing. There is a difference between a mod for an existing game and a fully fledged standalone game with their own unique design.

Vintage Story holds it's own and has it's own unique identity. It's like when artists use reference - it isn't copying or plagiarism, it's just inspiration used to make a unique work. Both also take heavy inspiration from real life processes, which isn't something that can exactly be "stolen" in any way. Nobody 'invented' the idea to knap stones into tools, 'invented' metallurgy, or 'invented' the ages of human progression. Also, Vintage Story's lore and story is completely unique. Really, the two are completely separate and unique.

Lets be honest, minecraft needs a big revamp; there is so much potential for the game.

the idea that a Mod or a standalone game owns the concept of a very common idea is absurd. VS as well as TFC are both evolutions of the core MC experience and should be treated as equals rather than competitors. If the Devs of VS decided to trademark "their" mechanics, then I'd have a problem but as it stands there is nothing wrong with both existing.

("This is just Terrafirma Craft, But Uglier." - random Vintage Story Hater comment) I played TerrafirmaCraft, and i watched videos about Vintage Story, and honestly, that guy is trash-talking. quality-wise in terms of visual, Vintage is better, and in gameplay too and the monsters in Vintage makes sense at least and has a reason (when i played TerrafirmaCraft, i assumed that TerraFirma is supposed to be IRL Minecraft, but i dunno which version (modpack) that i played that suddenly spawned armored zombies and weird stuff in the middle of the night, breaking the realistic vibe of Terrafirma...)

It genuinely boils down to: Vintage Story did copy TFC's basic concepts, but refined them and built upon them in a way no minecraft mod ever could, especially in this refined a fashion. Continued below for further thoughts It's team is also much more friendly than vanilla minecraft and clearly cares deeply about their game and its community. It also just simply looks and runs better because it has its own engine. Honestly, Minecraft and TFC could learn from Vintage Story's approach, and I can't actually think of much that minecraft has that vintage story doesn't or doesn't plan to have, apart from Redstone; At least when it comes to things that would fit in both games. Additionally, Vintage Story's modding community is only just getting off the ground but already has some amazing and unique mods, some of which are far more unique than almost any minecraft mod I've seen; And again, it's only just starting for comparatively.

I guessed both, as I know both(I know VS better than TFC, but I still know TFC). didn't know TFC was older, but I could've checked myself if I cared for the "he stole my ideas" debate on things that are already heavily inspired by something else(same attitude I had with the Palworld vs Pokemon debate). most of those mechanics were taken as part of historical research into real human progression through the stone, copper, bronze and iron ages and can be used in real life if you want to. there are a few differences like how crucibles require something more specialized than a simple campfire to be used, even for copper, but all in all they are very close to authentic early human technology.

Hey, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, is it not? I see no issue here with TFC and any "beef" between the two projects, but I have to agree with the common sentiment: I, too, said "This is Terrafirma Craft, but nicer!" when I saw this for the first time. What I will say, though, is that TFC has a different "feel" to VT, mostly because you can TELL it is a "mod" for Minecraft, while VT delivers the same experience in a...say, "bespoke" fashion: The entire engine is created for that singular vision, while TFC heavily modifies the framework of an existing game. That's also where I want to note, that while TFC is free, Minecraft is not. Therefore you technically have to "pay" for both experiences in the end. That said, one last thing I HAVE to mention is mod integration: Minecraft mods already struggle with this old Java-Brick, but VT has been not only smooth sailing with mods, but has its own dedicated modbase AND in-game installation of mods! You can really tell the developer knows well where he came from, if he made modding and adding mods such a priority this "early" in development.

Vintage story is simply more beautiful, this is why it is appealing to me at least

Here's my thoughts on Vintage Story as someone who has purely seem gameplay of it. ...I think it's genuinely interesting. I think it's genuinely a really cool game. I'd love to get into it but I don't have the money, nor do I have the PC, for it. While I'm not the BEST at Survival games... I genuinely do think I'd get into Vintage Story. Not because of the gameplay but I guess... how it FEELS. I think my problem with some games is that I just don't feel it sometimes. Minecraft is a game that I've played and... I'm ambivalent on as a game I'd like to play. As a game I like to watch? Oh it's fun, pretty damn fun to watch. Vintage Story might be one of those games where when I sit down and play it. I automatically feel it, I feel how great it is. And when I get down to it... I'll probably end up doing a lot in that game. But that's my general assumption... in the end; Vintage Story feels so distinct. That I can't reasonably compare that much to minecraft. I can even partially get into why it feels so distinct from Minecraft. It feels less... disconnected in a sense with some gameplay. Minecraft has a lot of content, oceans of items... but it's about as deep as a puddle with some of them. Sure Redstone Engineering is pretty big, sure you can do a lot with automation but... it feels like some stuff is also just lacking in that department. Yeah you can build a lot but... you can only build SO MUCH before you start to kinda wanna crave something else. At least in my opinion. Vintage Story feels way more connected. What it probably lacks in content, I'm not sure do not quote me on that, it has in depth. You can really see how much the resources you are given matter to heavily. Clay will carry you HEAVILY into so many parts of the game. Same with storage, same with many of the blocks you use, same with armor. You can do so. Much. In the end; Vintage Story is its own distinct masterpiece. It works because even IF it isn't like Minecraft in so many aspects... that's not a bad thing. That's a great thing in my opinion... anyway yeah you're free to ignore my thoughts because I have not played this game.

vintage story runs on it's own engine, which let's the team do a lot with it. it also allows mod devs to make some cool stuff. i know the plan is to eventually have an end game as far as a long term goal to shoot for as well as more lore to explain what has happened. you can already find out a lot about the world.

I was playing a homo sapiens waterworld game on VS yesterday, while i overheard my father listening to something about neanderthals and what our ancestors had to suffer through because of them. Made me realize the Homo sapiens mode would massively benefit from the addition of other human tribes, and a reskin of Drifters into neanderthals that hunt and kill other humans.

Minecraft runs much better in 1.20 onwards, several improvements were made to the game engine and the lightning engine. And the most recent versions run on the jvm 21, and the boost is quite noticeable. Just to clarify. Yes, 1.7.10 was awfully laggy.

Heres the thing, even if vintage story "copied" TFC there isn't anything wrong with that.

Makes game with in-game systems that mirror real-world techniques and technologies "YOU'RE STEALING IDEAS FROM A MINECRAFT MOD!", also the mod isn't even in the hands of the original mod developers anymore, so I highly doubt they even care about the similarities.

people just wanna stir drama its different enough to be inspired but its own thing

I mean yeah that was basically my first thought when I first saw vintage story. It looks very similar to TFC. Though when I started playing vintage story myself I realised how different it is from Minecraft. It's dark atmosphere, lore and mysterious creatures make up for an entire new gaming experience which makes vintage story a truly unique game. Yes, I get the argument around TFC and vintage story...but I also totally agree with you.

terrafirmacraft but uglier is a wild statement

LOL go sue Blizzard for making DOTA2 from warcraft mod. You cant steal from ultra realism game because its based on reality.

I genuinely do not understand why some gamers instead of being happy that a new game came out and it's similar to a game they love, choose to be angry and personally offended. "How dare you STEAL from my favorite game?!?" is their go-to attitude and it confuses me. The whole "copying" "stealing" "___ game is a ___ ripoff" doesn't make sense to me. If some developer "copies" Terraria and makes another content rich and highly replayable pixel crafting exploration game you won't see me complaining. I wouldn't give a fuck if it was a near 1:1 game as long as they add enough content to the game to make it feel fresh and new. Give me MORE games that I like, not less is my motto.

I tried TFC before and hated it. Didnt even play 20 minutes. Ive played VS for a hundred hours already probably. There must be a very meaningful difference otherwise I would not have diametrically opposed reactions to either game.

When I was a kid my dumb ass thought that TerraFirmaCraft was a mod based on Terraria, like genuinely

there’s plenty of differences in systems and mechanics either game has but the other doesn’t

At the end of the day, it doesnt actually matter. If 75% of the ideas in VS were taken from TFC, that doesnt matter a lick. Because of one important thing. VS, is a standalone game, and TFC is a mod. Those who make the "with a new coat of paint" argument, are simply ignorant to game design. Not a bad thing, its not essential knowledge. But theyre clearly ignorant of the immense time and work that goes in to building a standalone game over a mod. The mod gets to work with minecraft as a base game. The standalone, has to build everything from the ground up. The mod has to code its new features. The standalone has to code _everything_ In this way, TFC took a marker to the Mona Lisa, added a hat, gave her bags under her eyes, painted her nails and drew a ship in the backround. VS on the otherhand, bought a canvas, paint supplies, and recreated the Mona Lisa, while also including those things and a bit more. TFC posted it to their deviant art page for free VS sold it as an original work. Saying VS "stole from" TFC is to say TFC "stole from" Minecraft. But folks wont say that. Because both are ignorant and ridiculous statements. The VS devs put way more time and effort into their product. Anyone can come up with ideas. Fewer can make them a reality on an already existing work. And fewer still can make the reality from scratch. It doesnt matter to me, because the VS devs made a game, not a mod, and it has its own identity

The features of the game in the mod reflects mechanics from real life that makes sense in our fun and so you’re going to have over lab there it’s like saying oh smash Bros Tekken and streetfighter are all the same because they’re all fighting games with fighting game mechanics

Bro, TFC has 3 different forks right now. TFC is ripping off TFC at this point. XD

I was planing to play TFC when i first saw an video about it, but after watching your review i needed to try and i can't stop playing, im a big fan of gacha games like hsr and i haven't played for a week straight bc of Vintage Story, all the progress feels so much rewarding and meaningful like i never felt in any other game. Terraria had a similar feeling but after a while i just played in full auto mode

Vintage Store! Edit: Bruh come on man don't do that to me.

I modded minecraft on my own and ended achieving a similar result to TFC and VS mechanics, minus the stone knapping. I guess it's simply logical to have these mechanics because, lo and behold, we've did that irl to get were we are atm.

saying Vintage Story copied TFC is like saying Cyberpunk copied GTA, they are all unique and enjoyable experiences in their own right, survival mechanics are semi based off real survival mechanics but in a gamified form, there isn't an infinite number of different ways to make survival mechanics that are fun and enjoyable and still faithful

Another thing about vintage story is that I believe the devs have stated they want to minimize UI based crafting and have even more in world crafting than the current knapping, clay forming and smiting

This reminds me when Terraria came out. Some people said it was a Minecraft rip-off. I can still remember when Mojang was based and added "Try Terraria" in the menu messages.

I think vintage story has much nicer and immersive natural world generation, plus as someone who loves geology i love all the different rock types and and ores and how they generate in a realistic manner

“But uglier” sure Jan, whatever you tell yourself. lol

primitive survival, stone knapping, charcoal burning, prospecting, metalurgy, pottery, and all the mechanics in the game were not invented by any game. these things were used by the man kind since we stared eating cooked meat and our brains got bigger. so nobody can claim these as their own unique mechanic even if its the first game to implement such mechanic.

Got vintage story today, wow it’s fun. Don’t be a cynic guys give it a shot the modding community is already nuts

The devs of Vintage Story were Minecraft modders at one point plus they even stated they took inspiration from Terrafirmacraft. This isn’t a bad thing. I played MC for years and found TFC pretty much right after I started playing MC. It made the whole game soooo much better. I refused to play MC without TFC. Then the dev for TFC dropped updating the mod and that’s when Vintage Story came on the scene. Now it truly is its own game and I love it even more than the newer versions of TFC developed by TFC fans. I still love TFC but to be honest, it’s built on MC code which sucks. VS gives me everything I want with a better engine ❤

Hey. Have you heard of TFC+? It's basically TFC but taken to an even more realistic level. It's a bit niche but I fundamentally believe that it is the best version of the mod that exists out there, and actually more than anything, vintage story reminds me of TFC+ moreso.

I'm really glad that someone finally had the will to make s video about this topic. I've seen and have wondered myself plenty of time if these games had the same developers or something like that. I still haven't played Vintage Story, but I'm eager to give it a try.

usually i just click the dont recommend this channel on youtube when i see some salacious headline or thumbnail (I dont really care for the videos on average when someone is making a wild claim). I'm glad i gave this video a shot. as far as whether the game's idea was stolen i guess doesnt really matter since the devs on both sides dont care (which if there were to be some kind of take down or DMCA, would 100% require)

TL;DR The various settings and world customization screen when you create a world is a huge deal and probably the best part of Vintage Story. And free mods is always a bonus! I love the versatility of Vintage Story and can play it non-stop for days--no, months! One hundred people might use the same world seed, but get totally different worlds unless they select the exact same settings. Sure, there might be a ruined village to the south and a large deposit of surface copper to the north, but it's not always guaranteed, and they're almost never at the exact same coordinates. And the ruined village might change to one of several variations. I suck at fighting mobs, but do pretty good at everything else. I can lower the mob HP and how hard the mobs hit. Mobs can be aggressive/attack when you come within their detection range, passive/they will only attack you if you attack them, or docile/they will never attack the player no matter what the player does. Young kids can start with the easiest settings and, as they get older and more experienced, they can adjust the settings to be more challenging with every new world they create. Getting into using mods is super easy--pretty much plug in and play, but I do recommend playing without mods in the beginning to find out what you feel the game lacks or to make the game more accessible for people with issues that might make it hard for them to play video games. For example, I find the vanilla world to be empty of places to explore. It has lots of caves and several ruins, but not much loot that you want as you progress through the metal ages. And, except for the various traders, it lacks civilization. I want a much "busier" world. So, I add the Better Ruins mod, The Dungeon mod, and the Underground Mines mod to give me more ruins and places to explore (and fight). More loot, too! I also use the VS Villager mod with its two sub mods to spawn working villages that I can visit, take over as my own, or I can create an item that will allow me to create a village of my own. I have to build the buildings my villagers live in. This gives me opportunities to show off the loot I've collected and place them in these buildings, giving them a more post-apocalyptic touch. I added the Still Useful Stuff mod mainly for it's Welcome Mat which will spawn one of the vanilla traders for a day every few days as if they are visiting your base, or you can set up a place for them to spawn in your village. The Welcome Mat is great if you don't have any nearby vanilla game traders, or you haven't found certain traders you need items from. This way, you don't have to travel for literal game days to find or get to them. You never know which type of trader is going to show up, what they have to offer, or what they will buy from you. It's like a fun roulette. You never know until they show up! And you can have more than one welcome mat. Currently, I plan to have an inn in my village with rooms that have welcome mats in them to make it appear to be a functioning inn. As the traders show up, I "shop" their wares, and then they leave after a meal and provide currency to pay for their stay. As long as you fill the necessary requirements for the welcome mat traders, you can slowly build up currency if you don't buy anything from them. There is a huge amount of items you can find in ruins or trade with the traders ranging from food products, clothes and jewelry, weapons and tools, rare building materials, hard to find resources, and more. There are also mods for people who have accessibility issues like low manual dexterity, epilepsy, sound or motion issues, or other special issues that might make it harder to play video games or use a computer keyboard or mouse doing repetitive tasks aka repetitive strain injuries. I've seen people who have carpal tunnel playing VS using these accessibility mods. They couldn't stream on Twitch, but they would record themselves playing for as little as five minutes at a time. Then upload these unedited, short twenty-minute videos. It kept their subscribers happy to see some content from a favorite KZfaqr and brought in some income even while they were recovering from their injury.

Unfortunately I can't play that game yet, since I don't have a pc at the moment, but I'll definitely give it a try when I get a pc.

7:49 I was not looking at the screen so I can’t be influenced by that. I have never played TFC and that did not entirely sound like what I thought it was, but I will still guess the correct answer is “both” for everything you said there.

Glad you did this follow up. And VS is really a great game-it’s not fast, there’s no instant gratification, you have to be ready to spend time and go through multiple processes to create something (leather backpacks, I’m looking at you!) but when you finally finish making something it’s a lot more rewarding. And the mods are great, so imaginative and fun and useful and, well, you just have to try it first yourself.

Now hear me out. VS has some great bgm, but imagine if C418 made new ones. I know, completely unrelated. You can carry on your day now 😁

Vintage Story was actually a Minecraft mod to start with, named Vintagecraft. It's still on Curseforge if you ever wanted to check it out. It also explicitly states that it was inspired by TFC, so there's nothing 'stolen', and no attempts to hide it. EDIT: Ah, you actually mentioned that! I haven't seen anyone really go in to Vintagecraft, great to see if acknowledged here.

Im kind of a dumbass

My guess is that you were talking about both games, with the only thing to throw me off being the detail of watering cans, as I don't remember there being any in TFC.

IT WAS VINTAGE STORY!! Edit: I STILL WIN!!

Very well constructed arguments. I feel this game is something altogether new and special as an experience. Besides I've felt minecraft has become corporate slop anyways.

W upload

Didn't Tyron make or at least work on TerraFirmaCraft?

Bruh what even is the point of this video. Art inspires art and Games are often inspired by other video games and expand on their concepts. All this boils down to is irrational fanboys who feel threatened by the mere presence of a game that trying to be minecraft but different and they are reaching for the undefeatable argument that minecraft did it first when minecraft is basically the very first open world survival craft game and will always be able to make that claim about any game that even just has open world survival and crafting in it. I kind of get it though some people have a long and deep relation with minecraft and it's more than just a game, it's a treasure trove of timeless memories.

I thought the people who made TFC later left the Minecraft mod scene to made Vintage story.

Vintage Story was made by _the same people?_ How can they have stolen their own ideas?

My guess Is that you're talking about both Edit: Lmao I was right

No.

look at dayz. Who cares. paths must be paved.

Sorry you are now a Minecraft/Vintage Story youtuber now. There is no going back. /s

"Survival games are just real life, but uglier." 🤓

honestly. i get iot. it was a minecraft mod but its been 7 years since it was and 90% of the systems in vintage story. minecrafts engine would die trying. EDIT. most the butt hurt people i dsee most days are die hard hytale hopefuls and as a dude who plays star citizen i get it but still grow the fuck up. hytale isnt here and may never as it was just a way to hype up and get more peiople on hypixel but 7 years and vintage story is amazing and its on humble bundle last i saw and gog and both those sites are verrrrrrrrry strict on there indies

Vintage Story?

i thought they were made by the same people i guess not 🤷‍♂

Nice video :) i love vintage story. Minecraft is fun but it doeent scratch that survival itch. Minecraft to me is more like playing digital legos.

Terrafirmecraft

Thats cose it a mod creator for Minecraft gone and done his own game. Hell he even said so him self its no secret tho it's was a different mod then you showd it was a mod for 8.4 i think way back when thaumcracft was a thing

What’s the name of the game at the end of the video? Anyone?

vintage story

i heard somewhere that tfc and vintage story was made by the same people but i dont know if its true

1:14 “steal ideas from TFC” is a bit of a stretch,you can’t really steal ideas unless you implement it 1:1,Vintage story draws heavily inspiration from and are not limited to TFC.Yea I believe vintage Strory is a clone of TFC but that doesn’t negate fact that it’s a good game! I just prefer the TFC modded experience .

I do not understand people who start champing over "Boo thats a TFC copy". It is clearly not, well, it borrows some ideas, but as you can see it shares deep and warm cultural ties with its predecessor, and pays a lot of respect to it. Same story actually happened with Factorio being inspired by gregtech. What actualy separates realm of Minecraft from it's "offsprings", is the fact that i cannot combine Factorio and Vintage Story into one game, it would require a new team of devs to be assembled and another decade of development. But i can combine Gregtech and Terrafirma together within Minecraft. It is where mincraft's idealess enviroment actualy helps creating and mashing togeter even the most vivid worlds and mechanics. Technomagies, Age progresdion modpacks. Sure our old java boy does not age well with all of the spagetty coding and engine limitations, but for thouse who can still afford him, possibilities are endless. So when i see something inspired by mincraft or it's mods i am always positive about it, live your life and allow others to live too. Maybe one day one of the many childs will surpass old king in his perfection. But so be it, as long as it happens with mutual respect and recognition.

TFC=❤

I watch your vintage story videos.

Both

this video has not enough TFC+ representation :[

another banger video

Commenting for the algorithm

cool to see the backstory, but I'd still argue there's an originality issue here. The devs of vintage story should be more confident in their own ideas moving forward, and I would hope that was already expected considering from what I remember of TFC they're going to very quickly be moving into completely uncharted territory if they expand the tech tree further. A game that, with the blessing of the original developers, just takes the gameplay loop of TFC and uses it as its early game and then expands on it and eventually presents new ideas as you progress sounds pretty awesome. A game that just takes the gameplay loop of TFC and presents it as their own product is less cool, although I do acknowledge they've done a lot to set themselves apart and wouldn't really accuse the developers of doing anything really wrong. Hats off to them and glad to see it getting off the ground.

You should remove your pinned comment on the review video...

Tfc

clickbait bad

I really liked Vintage Story, when it was niche game, inspired by TFC in lots of mechanics, and runned better. But with recent popularity, Vintage Story will get worse, i feel.

Why is your hand on the left... eew