I found this episode extremely informative. I would appreciate more information about the shooting down of the two B 47s being given. I have a suggestion for a future episode. That's the role of Facist Italian submarines in World War Two. It is my understanding that the submarines work solo instead of in wolf packs.

@@jameswoodbury2806 I well might tell those stories. One has quite the story behind it. The other is more mysterious.

I imagine not being able to fire back at the Migs is also a miracle. How hot would things have gotten had the US shot down Migs over their own air space.

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Thank you for your service!

This accident? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qOCkZaWDyavJZps.htmlsi=SOPMksGqqxw-Ga1-

Altus Air Force Base? See my post above.

I'm the same age and grew up listening to B-58 engines being run up from MILES away (they were LOUD) as well as hearing what were probably some of the last sonic booms heard in the continental US. However, in ALL my many years of investigating aircraft set up as public displays I've never seen a static display aircraft that didn't have the hatches screwed shut. to keep people out. Can you imagine the liability of the organization displaying these planes if the interior was accessible to the public with the cramped space and all the "sharp objects" remaining after al the valuable;e equipment was removed? Not to think of the problem they would face with theft and vandalism. And these old planes are what insurance companies call "attractive nuisances". There was a B-47 monument at LRAFB to commemorate the time it was a SAC base and had B-47s. I remember climbing into the wheel well and being disappointed that the hatches were disabled. As a pilot I remember one trip when I found an old Howard 500 sitting at the end of a runway at Little Rock, AR. It had blown an engine and was abandoned. The interior was vandalized and smelled like a urinal. An interesting side note, there was a bar with a long deep cooler compartment in the plane and hidden WAY BACK in the corner was an unopened bottle of Glenfiddich scotch, the good stuff. ;-) The only time I was ever able to find access to a retired military aircraft was in the 70's at Davis Monthan AFB. At that time the Pima County Air Museum had first opened. Before the museum was moved to it's present location where it had room to expand (across the street) it was situated next to DMAFB with only by a chain link fence to separate them. Probably the location facilitated transport planes from the graveyard to the museum?I At that time there were at least 40-50 fuselages of many B-29's (maybe B-50's?) awaiting the scrap yard. Since these were stored on a government facility awaiting disposal they were not buttoned up tight. I climbed into the nose-wheel well and was happy to find the hatches operable. I climbed into the cockpit and sat behind that big "Eisenhower" control yoke surrounded by plexiglass with an excellent view. Unfortunately this was before cameras where in everything and, even though I was a photographer, I did not have any of my cameras with me. And even though they were destined for scrap it didn't feel right to vandalize one for souvenirs. And because my dad was a B-29 crew chief I have enough B-29 memorabilia such as the brass fire extinguisher from the radio compartment with CCl4 for electrical fires. As a kid whenever I needed to de-grease something I just dribble out some solvent from that extinguisher, ahhhh, memories lol With aviation an integral part of my life a restored my first of many antique aircraft, a 1940 Taylorcraft. Eventually I decided I just HAD to strap my ass to an afterburner and so, at the grandfatherly age (for fighter pilots) of 28, I became a USAF pilot.

The B-47's lost a lot of crews before they figured out the wings could fold during a bomb toss pullup. 🤠

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel I checked your playlist of Nuclear Near Misses and did not see the 1961 Goldsboro crash. I'm sure that would make for another good video, as parts of one of the bombs are still buried in a farm field. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash

Dad was stationed at Lakenheath AFB in 1960 and my mother took me to see that film. It is really funny how they wouldn't say Russians but instead "the other fella". lol

Great movie.

It’s a cool old Cold War movie, jimmy was a air force general in real life, he talked the talk and walked the walk, not like John Wayne who just played pretend on a Hollywood sound stage❤

That was my father's squadron in the movie. He flew with his plane (crew chief) to Alaska which were involved with these recon flights.Also England and Africa. I believe his planes had the red tails. I had pictures of him on the wing ( B-47) with B-36's in the back ground (Alaska). One shot for the movie at Mcdill they wanted them to all taxi down a small road to get a shot of all the planes taxiing which dad told them not to due to the small outrigger wheels where in the dirt. It did happen as dad said it would. The dust and dirt from each plane wiped out the engines of the planes behind. I had pictures of all the broken blades. Best looking bomber ever when in the air. Not so pretty on the ground.

I was not born until 1963, But love the military stories so few even look at. I believe the men and women how fler these new jets were some of the bravest persons in the U. s. military.

Jimmy Stewart was a B-24 pilot in WWII and flew in a B-52 Mission over Hanoi in 1970. He learned to fly at Mapes Field which is now Los Angeles International Airport and retired as a General Officer. He liked Henry Fonda but was the political opposite of him. 🤠

I was only five in 1960, my dad was stationed at Alconbury, he flew the RB66 at the time. But still, we were there at the same time, so that's kinda cool, a fellow brat.

I grew up in Ft. Worth, TX so I loved that movie. Seeing the B-36s fly out from Carswell over parts of the city that looked so different. It was a sad day when the last of the BUFFs flew away to Barksdale. I loved watching them take off and land. I played soccer just off the end of the runway.

@@kylecarmichael5890 I was born at Goodfellow AFB in San Angelo long ago. I don't remember much about it, unlike Chuck Norris l didn't build the hospital l was born in, wasn't quite that bad ass. 🐴

I'm so sorry you had to drink San Angelo water. Worst water I have ever consumed. Luckily I haven't been to the Midland/Odessa region. I've heard stories.

Until the MiG-19 "Farmer" came along, as well as the AA-2 "Atoll" missile, B-47s could fairly much overfly the USSR with impunity. They simply had nothing that could carry any manner of weapons load that could get at the altitude of the Stratojet and CATCH it. Having the USSR ringed with a periphery of bases in East and South Asia and Western Europe was VERY helpful, something that the Soviets, save for doing overflights from their Far East over Alaska, couldn't retaliate in like manner. And their ability to penetrate Alaska air space wasn't that great, never mind that any significant assets were well inside AK itself, enabling detection and RESPONSE.

@@selfdo A Mig21 shot down an RB66 in from my dads squadron in 1964, we were at Toul-Rosieres in France. It was egg on our face but not to the extant of the U2, the crew was returned safely. It was blamed on equipment failure....us being over East German Airspace. I think the next year DeGaulle kicked us and NATO out of France, didn't want retaliation from Russia in a war, turned out he was also highly upset about the dollar being used the global currency, the Petro dollar

At Griffiss AFB in upstate New York, we had a small group of anti-war protesters get inside a maintenance hanger and damage a B-52 with hammers. They were caught by AF Security Police and arrested on federal charges. One cop told us they hammered on one of the bomber’s external fuel tanks, believing it to be a nuclear weapon. (Why anyone would think that was a good idea is a mystery.) That’s actual sabotage, not a prank on a defunct display aircraft. I think you’re safe.

​@@rbeard7580, Well depending on the year that incident occurred, the public had been repeatedly been told for several years that USAF thermonuclear bombs were designed to survive various falls, crashes, fires, etcetera, so a little hammering shouldn't really do any significant damage, is probably what the protestors figured. It probably would have been better for the protestors to figure out how to safely and somewhat quietly delate all the tires on the aircraft by releasing the air/nitrogen through the nitrogen/air filling device (valve stem).

@@davidhoffman1278 As far as a nuclear detonation? That's highly unlikely, pretty close to impossible. But they're not cheap weapons, and other kinds of hazards can occur. And they wouldn't be on a bomber in a maintenance hanger except under very unusual circumstances, and then they'd be under heavy guard. (You might get shot trying something if that's what was happening.) Today, I'd say that since 9/11, trying to sneak onto a base would be very hazardous, no matter where you were headed. But I'm long retired and have no "need to know" such details.

@@rbeard7580 I hope those morons got some LONG prison sentences. Sabotage and TREASON. In war time, they'd have been HANGED.

​​@@rbeard7580 Recall a news story off how missiles with tactical nuke warheads were accidently transported across country while armed, the missiles being ferried for maintenance of the missile and of warhead. It was an E/4 (a lower enlisted man) who when going through the checklist at the destination airfield spotted that the warheads of the live missiles were armed. He reported his finding to the senior non commissioned officer and then watched the composure of many of the officers as they grasped the career ending gravity of the situation.

The KC-97 was put into a slight dive to get extra speed during refuels

The technique was called "tabogganing." The footage HM2SGT refers to appears to have been taken from the ground during a flyby. If you tried tabogganing at low altitude, you'd run out of sky quickly. Props to the tanker and B-47 crews for doing this at low altitude! @@robertheinkel6225

My ROTC detachment at Georgia Tech (1973-77) was a rogues' gallery of Air Force flyers. Our first detachment commander had started his career flying P-51 escort missions over Germany. Our second detachment commander was a former B-47 driver who kept a massive photo of the plane over his desk. One of my class instructors had been an AC-130 aircraft commander in Vietnam and another one had flown the RB-57 during that conflict. I don't recall if it was the D or F model, but in one of his desk photos he was wearing what looked like an orange space suit (as best I recall).

All Airmen are heroic! But thats just the biased opinion of former Sgt. Dale Leisenring of the U.S. Air Force talking. What would he know?

It was the LABS maneuver that stressed the airframe and wing structures.

Track down a copy of "By Any Means Necessary..." by William Burrows.

Excellent comparison!

THG's theme music strings along better. Doesn't march along on a warpath.

Actually I think he's quite a bit better, as Mark Felton has just been reading Wikipedia articles a couple of times and when you look deeper into his videos you find that his research is quite sloppy at times (he seems to put quantity over quality).... That's nothing the history guy could ever be accused of!!!

Felton has only war history. THG, does everything from the origin of Ketchup to Space flight.

When become high ranking military officer the job is to fight , offence or defence , but job is destruction no matter what.

There was actually a terrifying scare in the 1950s IIRC where a visiting B-47 crash-landed in Britain, slid off the runway area and almost hit a nearby building that the RAF was using to store nuclear weapons. Afterwards, the British quickly changed their nuclear weapons storage procedures/locations to avoid any such close calls in the future, whether with our planes or their own planes.

The U.S. Navy had some B47s conversions in the late 1960s to Fleet Training Electronic Warfare Support. The last one under the Navy flew in 1977.

@@lindycorgey2743 It did have a lot of antennas on it. I was an avionics tech on P-3Bs at the time. Spring Board was a big event back then. NATO countries would come down to the Caribbean for 5-6 weeks and play war games around February to get away from winter.

😃👍 Reminds me of a story I read in a novel written by a Vietnam war helo pilot. His loach was playing a BDA mission & somehow the pilot of one of the buffs overheard his transmission. The author said suddenly this unknown voice broken on the freq and said that they had just made a bunch of dump truck drivers very happy.

I've heard that happened with the SR-71s as well. Since the MiG-25 Foxbat was meant to intercept planes such as supersonic bombers, a squadron of them would be sent off in hot pursuit of the Blackbirds. The result was a ridiculously high speed chase in the skies over the Soviet Union with the SR-71 always escaping due to its ability to fly at around Mach 3 for sustained periods (the MiG-25, despite being incredibly fast itself, couldn't do this without severely damaging its engines). This inability to stop the spy missions infuriated the Soviets and had them waving their fists over their heads in frustration. That spyplane was one of the best aircraft we ever built, it's a shame none fly today.

Excellent read.

I was a scanner on a RC 130 during the 1960`s, flew missions in the north sea, Black sea around Cuba in the summer of 62, the shoot down of the RB 47 gave us hope, we might make it back in case things went bad, the RB 47`s hung out the same places we did

Bunker Hill AFB, then Grissom Air Force Base, now Grissom Air Reserve Base. I served there, and then worked as a civilian until this past April. Good little base.

@@papabear562I was a crew chief there from 78 to 80, and again from 84 to 93. I helped to close the base. Sad day.

@@robertheinkel6225 I was stationed there from 89-92, then I separated right before the active duty pulled out. I just completed 20 year civil service and retired in April. They just completely renovated the runway, and will work on the taxiways next year.

The B47 was a mix of the old and the new. The old way of building futuristic Jets. It was a learning experience for Boeing. Which was later used to build the B52 and the KC135 and the 707.

Six turnin'; four burnin' !

Since you brought it up, how much has been declassified about that?

Yes, I’ve read about that. “Apparently” buried with full military honours.

Inspired by the Junkers EF132, although it's not a direct copy.

The B-47 followed by the emergence of the B-58 is what prompted the Russian's to design the MIG-25 Foxbat. MIG15's absolutely could not intercept a B-47, the only incident that involved MIG-15's shooting down a B-47 was one where North Korean MIG-15's shot one down that was in international airspace over the Sea of Japan, hardly the same as shooting one down while it's "doing it's thing", it's the equivalent of the shooting down of Korean Airlines flight 007 on Sept 1st 1983. Later MIG's could intercept them but not by a very big margin, then with the emergence of the B-58 and later the possibility of the B-70 Valkyrie entering the fray something with the speed and powerful radar developed along with it of the MIG-25 was needed to counter them.

I might tell some of those stories, yes. Unfortunately, many lives were lost, and families never got the full story.