Theism And Atheism In The Bhagavad Gita

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Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies

Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies

8 жыл бұрын

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A talk by Shaunaka Rishi Das of the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies
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@lnbartstudio2713
@lnbartstudio2713 7 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best reads of the Bhagavad Gita I have come across. Many thanks for this from Shaunaka Rishi Das.
@fakeking8860
@fakeking8860 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@alakamcconnell6162
@alakamcconnell6162 2 жыл бұрын
@@fakeking8860 p
@fakeking8860
@fakeking8860 2 жыл бұрын
@@alakamcconnell6162 what's that
@rupom448
@rupom448 3 жыл бұрын
When I hear bhagavad Gita from pure devotees like you prabhu...I can really feel Krishna throughout..Just beautiful and really we need more youtube videos of you..
@vimalneha
@vimalneha Жыл бұрын
So, you can't read yourself? It costs less than Rs500.
@rupom448
@rupom448 9 ай бұрын
​​@@vimalnehaI do read...I have bhgavad Gita but these people give wide range of perspective of gita.
@vimalneha
@vimalneha 9 ай бұрын
@@rupom448 Please read with perspective that you may be a woman. This is the prominent perspective currently.
@vimalneha
@vimalneha 9 ай бұрын
He is a cultural thief, trying to appropriate what Sanatan has to provide. People like you consider him a devotee. He is a Christian, wearing Hindu symbols with a wide range of goals to destroy our structure. But he won't be able to...
@sant.76
@sant.76 3 жыл бұрын
This is just phenomenal. Thank for giving very different perspective of Geeta.
@chuptee7523
@chuptee7523 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderfully insightful lecture Professor Das.
@MrSachin8006
@MrSachin8006 5 жыл бұрын
Nice name😊👍
@surbhikoul3631
@surbhikoul3631 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSachin8006 👍
@surbhikoul3631
@surbhikoul3631 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSachin8006 👍
@surbhikoul3631
@surbhikoul3631 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@surbhikoul3631
@surbhikoul3631 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSachin8006 👍
@bhoopendrasingh1844
@bhoopendrasingh1844 5 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation ..all my family members are reading Geeta ji daily in the the morning. I am.from Delhi India.
@rishabhkhatri
@rishabhkhatri Жыл бұрын
Read Bhagavad Gita by Acharya Prashant
@vidyamadamanchi8490
@vidyamadamanchi8490 7 жыл бұрын
lovely!!
@233asha
@233asha 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the research and the great breakdown. 👍
@rajarajachozan2320
@rajarajachozan2320 7 жыл бұрын
When i hear about Asura character , only Islam came to my mind.
@sahdevpatil9284
@sahdevpatil9284 5 жыл бұрын
Yes but they aar hardly aastik
@sushilkumar-ls3bt
@sushilkumar-ls3bt 5 жыл бұрын
Yes you are 100% right ,
@deepakjha9504
@deepakjha9504 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@adiyogi4286
@adiyogi4286 3 жыл бұрын
Mee too .. same here
@sunandabehera5075
@sunandabehera5075 3 жыл бұрын
@Wreckner Lord in islam also demonic and godly concept exists . Don't be so kattar
@Spashth
@Spashth Жыл бұрын
Beautiful talk, loved it. You talk in a very polite and sweet way 👏
@lnbartstudio2713
@lnbartstudio2713 7 жыл бұрын
Nearing the end of this deeply important talk, he begins to talk about the Republican party in the US - 05/24/17. There can be no denying this. Every proposal they make, without exception, and policy they devise is Charvaka masked in US exceptionalism and neo-liberal greed. Thank you Shaunaka Rishi Das for this genuine and profound clarity.
@orlandobrown172
@orlandobrown172 2 жыл бұрын
Why do most swamis avoid this topic?
@amanbhashkar2058
@amanbhashkar2058 5 жыл бұрын
First of all Theism and Atheism debate is at least 1200 years old it may be more. Charvak didn't believe in God. Jainism and Buddhism also don't believe in God.
@angeldarshana4573
@angeldarshana4573 4 жыл бұрын
Yes there is no god
@angeldarshana4573
@angeldarshana4573 4 жыл бұрын
Kyo ishwar brahman h,vo sab kuch h sarv vyapt h.hmm sab uski murti h
@shakyajitmaulik5579
@shakyajitmaulik5579 3 жыл бұрын
Buddists do believe in Devtas Gandharbas Yakshas and all. Read Dhammapada. Jainsim also believe in existence of Gods but they don't see God as some supreme controlling power.
@vish2553
@vish2553 3 жыл бұрын
God is an Abrahamic religious concept and had no relevance to Sanatana Dharma. So is spiritual. Ishwara, Bhagavan, Sakti are not synonymous with God of Abrahamic religions. Atma gyana , Atma visara is not spiritual as spiritual comes from Christian Spirit. Confusion galore here!
@aspiknf
@aspiknf 2 жыл бұрын
@@vish2553 Oh I see
@trueseeker5221
@trueseeker5221 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@yogasciencemusic
@yogasciencemusic 3 жыл бұрын
Loved it.
@manojhaldar2557
@manojhaldar2557 2 жыл бұрын
Very beautiful analysis......😊😊😊
@revenantwolzart
@revenantwolzart 2 жыл бұрын
even i never saw it like that, thanks sir.
@satriapg666
@satriapg666 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, this is by far the most fascinating discussion of BG
@HalTuberman
@HalTuberman 5 жыл бұрын
Thinky-doey-feely!
@anonzed2493
@anonzed2493 7 жыл бұрын
Read these brilliant eye opening books by Rajiv Malhotra - "Being Different" and "Breaking India"
@robertmitchell8630
@robertmitchell8630 6 жыл бұрын
Anon Zed currently reading invading the sacred
@robertmitchell8630
@robertmitchell8630 5 жыл бұрын
@cool guy You got to read it How does coca cola taste?
@orlandobrown172
@orlandobrown172 2 жыл бұрын
RM hindu fakir
@srinivasanrengarajan3911
@srinivasanrengarajan3911 Жыл бұрын
I read 3 verses a day. It is only in English I can understand explanations. Thank you for the homecoming
@cpadman5800
@cpadman5800 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation. I enjoyed this lecture. The concept of God is a fascinating topic. there cannot be an end to this question, this will last as long as humanity exists. Fortunately, unlike other religions Hinduism is not a closed religion and allows freedom to think and come up with more explanations. Christianity and Islam are closed religions, you cannot change the Bible or Quran on this issue, in fact you cannot even question them and remain in those religions. Answers for these eternal questions are already provided in their scriptures but Hinduism is an elastic religion and you can question and still come up with more explanations, more Upanishads and more philosophers like Shankara, Ramanuja and Madhava can appear in Hinduism and Hindus would accept their teachings. Meanwhile let us rest with whatever explanations we have so far on this question of "What is God?"
@vinsin328
@vinsin328 7 жыл бұрын
That is also weakness of Hinduism and as Hindus cannot be unified for anything.
@robertmitchell8630
@robertmitchell8630 6 жыл бұрын
C Padman the term for God in sanatam dharmah is yantras sanskrit for tool instrument God in sanatam dharmah is an instrument to inner awaking transcendence higher dimension but that's the cool thing about sanatam dharmah it allows for debates disagreements it like quantum physics negative and positive in the deeper level they are NOT contradictions they are complimentary
@BhanuPratap-uw7tm
@BhanuPratap-uw7tm 6 жыл бұрын
and this is the reason sanatan dharm is time tested in ancint times many civilizations came and gone e.g egypt,aztec but indus valley civilization remain stood up tot he time bcoz we have so many sages ech time santan dharm got attacked durong medieval era due to ivasions new seed or branch comes out to protect them santan dharm four branches hinduisim-buddhisim-jainisim-sikhisim and all these basic philosophy of karma do good deeds u get good and bad deeds will result bad from great techers like to siddarth gautam to adishankracharya to gurunanakdev to guru govind singh etc. thats why i think why in dasm granth guru govind singh written the guru is brahma.the guru is vishnu,the guru is shiva, guru is parbati and lakshmi guru saakshaat parabrahm tsme shri guruve namah.
@vinsin328
@vinsin328 4 жыл бұрын
@@GauravSingh-zc5bw They are not dharma but religion. Religion means blind faith. Only few people in this world can understand logic. Hinduism is about seeking.
@percygovendr4485
@percygovendr4485 7 ай бұрын
​@@robertmitchell8630Emilio
@fakeking8860
@fakeking8860 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation
@sahdevpatil9284
@sahdevpatil9284 5 жыл бұрын
Hitlar ko konse paldeme rakhoge meri samz se bahr hai plees say the right ansuor
@jspnser
@jspnser 10 ай бұрын
Brilliant
@nikhilranjan8122
@nikhilranjan8122 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir
@tanishq3917
@tanishq3917 2 жыл бұрын
Lord Buddha said Both people who believe that there is God and those who believe there is no God are in the same boat Because they both are believing in something about which they don't know When u believe something u stop searching more, and when u say "I don't know is there any God or not" Only then there is possiblity of knowing
@tusharyadav4982
@tusharyadav4982 2 жыл бұрын
well those who don't believe in omni god because of the problem of evel and suffering aren't in the same boat
@tusharyadav4982
@tusharyadav4982 2 жыл бұрын
@xyz define hindu first
@DineshSharma-um1bu
@DineshSharma-um1bu 3 жыл бұрын
a very interesting interpretation..
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
Deeper... Relativity?
@prateekpandey5133
@prateekpandey5133 3 жыл бұрын
40:20 👍 great lines
@adimarvelshowdown8435
@adimarvelshowdown8435 Жыл бұрын
20:25
@hardik493
@hardik493 7 жыл бұрын
In Hinduism Asura does not mean atheist. sura - God Asura- Demons
@buu88553
@buu88553 7 жыл бұрын
Tell me you are challenging an academic on more than your TV watching experiences.
@hardik493
@hardik493 7 жыл бұрын
Som Nath Adhikari No
@MrLikea8055
@MrLikea8055 7 жыл бұрын
+Hardik Patel it is more than that read this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asura
@robertmitchell8630
@robertmitchell8630 6 жыл бұрын
Hardik Patel sanatam dharmah always makes a space and place for each path atheist monotheist agnostic etc
@debanshmisro6112
@debanshmisro6112 6 жыл бұрын
Som Nath Adhikari , he is right, asura means not an atheist.
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
In the game civilization?
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
I can philosophize ... That your creations?
@dewendrapratapsingh2803
@dewendrapratapsingh2803 5 жыл бұрын
Asti=is, who believe god is=Aastik Na asti= is not, who believe god is not=Naastik
@orlandobrown172
@orlandobrown172 Жыл бұрын
Tat tvam asi. Thou art that
@sabinlamichhane5143
@sabinlamichhane5143 6 жыл бұрын
(Ashura = Every Human beings )
@Vivek-sq5ux
@Vivek-sq5ux 3 жыл бұрын
Asura actually means one who not regards existence of divine. Eat drink and be merry.
@Noname-oq9mk
@Noname-oq9mk 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is some language issue there is no blasphemy in Geeta.
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
Will you assimulate THIER Hinduism as you war an unjust war?
@adv.arvinddhumallub6074
@adv.arvinddhumallub6074 3 жыл бұрын
Sincere effort to decode sanaatan-dharm !
@orlandobrown172
@orlandobrown172 2 жыл бұрын
Universal God.
@abhijitmahapatro5896
@abhijitmahapatro5896 2 жыл бұрын
In body there r various bodyparts r there like heart,hand,eye etc. All of them have distinct identity & work..When due to some accident one of these gets defected,then doctor remove this body part..at that time that amputed body is nt a organ anymore & it is called dead body part...like that heart can't do work of hand & vice-versa. When all of them come together then only it is called human body & works properly as an integrated interdependent system... Just like that only in Hinduism saraswati,bramha, vishnu,shiv all r part of ecosystem with having distinct responsibilities.when as a whole they come together then we call them niyati/iswar/bhagwan/paramatma(greatest soul)....in this ecosystem all human being, trees, animals,others r part of them....as in every body atma(soul), which is part of paramatma only.... every atma(soul) irrespective of it's body shape(animal, trees,human etc) is pure... But mind plays a real game here,which is same in born time for all living creatures. After that it learns things from surroundings & also affected by that...so if surrounding is good then thinking will be good...& Mind drives our work/decisions whether it is good or bad ...& Due to our work/decisions, we bring fortune or misfortunes for ourselves only...so krishna told in gita to devote personal minds towards him (means towards truth, justice, mercy, pardon,Modesty, humility) so people's mind won't be affected by materialistic things like injustice,tyrrany, arrogance etc....& Mind can get the voice of your inner soul(which is part of God only) & ur works will be divine.... krishna told these things to Arjun in gita.. literally allah,god, paramatma r same only...here krishna just told Arjun how to behave in difficulties,how to take decision at that time,what things we have to keep in our mind before doing anything & through Arjun he dedicated this philosophical knowledge to whole world....So Gita is simply ART of living in the mouth of God.. there is nothing hindu, muslim, Christian in it....
@arupratan1978
@arupratan1978 3 жыл бұрын
There are several questions I am wondering for about Abrahamic God. Please anybody try to answer- 1. Why did God did not stop Abraham for sacrificng an innocent lamb for his mere willing to test whether Abraham was devouted to God or not. 2. What was God doing when Satan entered Heaven for 2nd time to lure Adam and Eve in order to eat fruit. Even today we have CCTV cameras fixed in our house to check if someone is entering in our house or not. Doesn't God knows it. If so then why did not he stop Satan for entering into heaven. 3. What was God doing when Satan was luring Adam and Eve to take fruit. God should have easily stopped or make aware Adam and Eve by sending some devine message or some SMS or whatsapp message. 4. Why did God punish two innocent Adam and Eve when it was duty of God who failed miserably to protect Adam and Eve from Satan. 5. Where did God put Adam and Eve on Earth after he expelled from Heaven? 6.Why did God made such rules that in Heaven you cannot eat animal but in earth you can. 7. How can Holy spirit be responsible for making Mary pregnant? A spirit cannot have genital, sperm. ? How the sperm of God and Ova of Mary met in order to give birth to Jesus. 8. If Jesus was alive in Heaven, then why he need to take birth in the womb if Mary. Jesus should have directly come down to earth.
@TheLazyVideo
@TheLazyVideo 3 жыл бұрын
1. God did not stop Abraham because the Abrahamic god is a Dom/master in BDSM-style, and requires complete obedience of his sub to please the Dom/master. If you’ve watched the Netflix series Snowpiercer, then Mr. Wilfred is the Abrahamic god, and requires his loyal servants to slice themselves with a blade in his bathtub to prove their devotion to him. 2-3. God did not stop Satan because a Dom/master wants his sub to be lured so that the sub can then be appropriately punished. Sometimes the sub itself likes it, both the temporary freedom from the Dom/master, and the consequent punishment after being caught. Mr. Wilfred also does this with his servants, putting them positions where they could be free but then watching them willingly shackle themselves back unto him. 4. It is the Dom/master’s prerogative to intentionally put his sub in a compromising situation, and then still punish the sub for allowing it to happen, even though the sub would also be punished for refusing it to happen. This is very common in the BDSM scene. There is no way for a sub to avoid punishment, the sub may merely pick the route to get there. 5. I’m not sure what your question is asking. 6. Where does it say meat is unavailable in heaven? 7. Mary became pregnant even though Joseph had not yet consummated the marriage with her so he could not be the father. She cried and begged and said she’s never strayed and always been faithful. Joseph eventually accepted her claim. The only logical conclusion once you accept Mary’s claim is that she was impregnated by a ghost. In mathematics this is called proof by contradiction, or proof by reductio ad absurdum, and when you conclude something absurd it means one of your assumptions was false. Monty Python’s Life of Brian explores this in depth. 8. The Christian faith does not believe in reincarnation. It’s a strange exception that Jesus is a avatar/reincarnate of god. They also believe another avatar/reincarnate will come in the Rapture when all the good are killed and ascended to heaven and all the evil are left to wander a hellish post-apocalyptic earth. It’s unclear if that last avatar/reincarnate will need a diaper in his early years or if he’ll descend to earth fully-formed like Arnold Schwarzenegger as a Terminator.
@lukastorngren7498
@lukastorngren7498 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLazyVideo Finally a believable explanation to the bible’s inconsistencies
@sowmyakarthikeyan8654
@sowmyakarthikeyan8654 6 жыл бұрын
We are not talking because it is fine to be atheist as far as.you are a.Good.human.being.......it is wrong to be a religious person but a bad human being...For.Hinduism dharma more important..than anything..
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
So your denoting a war against good?
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
God also
@celestialteapot309
@celestialteapot309 2 жыл бұрын
Some people find it profitable to portray atheism as synonymous with selfishness; Darwin's theory should not be conflated with social Darwinism, a fascistic ideology some Hindus seem comfortable with. As an atheist, anarchist, and communist l continue to be inspired by among others, Marx, Spinoza, and Indian philosophy.
@prateekpandey5133
@prateekpandey5133 3 жыл бұрын
15:01 wrong info. Bharat inform Lord Ram about death of King Dasharath their father not Dhishrashtra.
@Krishna-vw9ko
@Krishna-vw9ko 2 жыл бұрын
Slip of tongue
@angeldarshana4573
@angeldarshana4573 4 жыл бұрын
Acc to geeta god is energy jo krishna
@Amitraghaata
@Amitraghaata 2 жыл бұрын
Yoga Maya is not energy, it is illusory power.
@swadharmishiv-shambo8934
@swadharmishiv-shambo8934 4 жыл бұрын
Hindu atheism is there is no god but there is something does exist that not identified yet and each individuals have to go to identify it himself but there are scriptures the way to go throughout
@Amitraghaata
@Amitraghaata 2 жыл бұрын
There is no god,, but there is all pervading Brahman...
@orlandobrown172
@orlandobrown172 Жыл бұрын
Spirituality
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
The concept of God is irelevent cause you war... Against good first of all and foremost
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
And god
@himanshuzaveri4732
@himanshuzaveri4732 5 жыл бұрын
Wrong interpretation of charvarka philosophy. Charvak him self was s brahmin. He never criticised brahmins, but criticised the rituals followed in general
@rupom448
@rupom448 3 жыл бұрын
He is the head of oxford centre for religious studies and i hope he knows better...
@Amitraghaata
@Amitraghaata 2 жыл бұрын
No bro they rejected Vedic authority.
@Noname-oq9mk
@Noname-oq9mk 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry sir but your sura Asura concept is not right,I think.
@SamratKiranjeet
@SamratKiranjeet 7 жыл бұрын
why always a Foreigner is giving lectures....where are Indians...they are always for hosting.Cant Indian be scholars in India.. Do they need West's Certification.
@lnbartstudio2713
@lnbartstudio2713 7 жыл бұрын
+Samrat -> Sir, The population of India is well over one billion people. I should think that you might find someone in that population who teaches the Bhavagad Gita and who you can accept. Why not start there? It is hardly true that it is always foreigners who teach the Gita. As a Westerner, I am very very pleased to have this introduction by this man as he is saying it. I also listen to Hindus who teach the Gita. Sir, Maybe you would like to ask who is listening when you object to who is teaching, because what, after all, is skin color or tribal origin? Does Sri Krishna only host Indians? Yes? Then maybe I have misunderstood Sri Krishna and should consider all to be merely a materialistic universe. Thank you for your time.
@lnbartstudio2713
@lnbartstudio2713 7 жыл бұрын
Classic dog whistle response. Hardly creative or even coherent.
@vinsin328
@vinsin328 7 жыл бұрын
That has to do with Marxist dominated history in India. Hindus dont even learn basic Hinduism in school. Indians are more busy in promoting Muslim appeasement.
@Randomkloud
@Randomkloud 7 жыл бұрын
he is a foreigner in a foreign land. I really dont care abt his race...
@ashikaraut5762
@ashikaraut5762 6 жыл бұрын
1)Because of Inferior complexity. 2)government don't teach hindu philosophy in the school. Because it will hamper secular fabrics (according to so called intellectuals).so many Hindus do not know what Hindu philosophy (Santana dharma) is about.
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
You e already decided war after you got the weapons and superior positions arguing god
@nea0496
@nea0496 6 жыл бұрын
He is so wrong when it comes to Hitler as an Darwinist or an atheist. Even the Niesche s concept of ubermen isn't accurate.
@oscarconsuelo3518
@oscarconsuelo3518 5 жыл бұрын
Then please elaborate, just don't keep knowledge to thyself.
@rupom448
@rupom448 3 жыл бұрын
Hitler was influenced by Darwin read books first...
@RK-dj4xb
@RK-dj4xb 6 жыл бұрын
Be very careful with this guy. He has an Indian name but his references to anything Indian are all convoluted. He gives indirect points to convertionists.
@advaitanundoo3587
@advaitanundoo3587 5 жыл бұрын
Ravi Karthaka . He has a Hindu name bcos he is an initiated Iskcon devotee. A scholar who has helped many to follow the path of Krishna Bhakti.
@aspiknf
@aspiknf 2 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as 'Hinduism', it is a way of life aka Sanatana Dharma is the correct name. Also it is not a religion :-)
@orlandobrown172
@orlandobrown172 2 жыл бұрын
Just live it.
@sauronfupoc7484
@sauronfupoc7484 6 жыл бұрын
Make up your mind
@cse077mukulrana
@cse077mukulrana 4 жыл бұрын
What you want to say
@cse077mukulrana
@cse077mukulrana 4 жыл бұрын
Some times war becomes necessary if there is no option that is why evry nation have the Army and cops to protect themselves and it is never been a wrong every creature has right to defence and defensive offence no body can't denied it
@AbhishekSingh-gk9gh
@AbhishekSingh-gk9gh 3 жыл бұрын
It's funny how all religions misrepresent atheism, it's as if they are trying to antagonize atheism because wait if they don't what if they treat atheism for what it truly is a non-belief in existence of super natural(God) , the natural itself is so beautiful that you don't need supernatural. We are not immoral hedonists, we don't say that eat and sleep, each atheist has a different philosophy and bhagvad Geeta if ceiticised from modern lense is filled with not only immoral acts but effect of which can be seen on modern society. Also Hitler used all the dogmas of religion (the German church was always on his side) I find it very ignorant of you to claim that nazis were atheist when they all claimed that they are doing the work of God. And do you always kill all chemicals? What a stupid argument and great strawman of atheist philosophy.
@nejatyalin
@nejatyalin 6 жыл бұрын
Not Oxford quality i must say. He is just a sophist... Very lame arguments...
@rupom448
@rupom448 3 жыл бұрын
It depends ,when they are with scholars they don't teach basics ....For common people they teach the basics...
@nejatyalin
@nejatyalin 3 жыл бұрын
" if one doesn't believe in god then there are no rules" ??? (4:26). I guess i am too common to understand the wisdom in that because i just cannot help but wonder where the ethics of non believers stand there.
@rupom448
@rupom448 3 жыл бұрын
People who are there believe in god thats why they are there ....He is a great scholar but if he complicates the topic with upanishads and other stuffs things will be complicated for common people...
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