I prefer 3d. Also....when are u gonna tell us how the sonic COMICS and games tie together to make '2 timelines' gonna love that

‘Tis be a noble effort, but this video is more complete: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8iYndKp3bqYgGw.html (and as a part 2)

Both

I happen to like both 2D and 3D versions of Sonic.

23:24 Aren't we going to talk about Sonic Mania? ....No? ...Ok then...

He has disguised himself

@@sebastianfontanez1081 You're not wrong: the shirt I picked was a deliberate choice since it had some Sonic blues/whites and a dash of golden yellow for rings. Fun little easter egg for ya. ;)

Also, thank you for calling this out! I almost did a totally different intro to make a gag out of that fact, but seeing this is WAY more satisfying. :D

I WAS GOING TO COMMENT THAT!!!

WHY ARE YOU HERE

not to mention that mania ties into the classic timeline and is why classic sonic meets modern sonic a 2nd time....

He mentions it at the end though.

Should we also acknowledge the fact that the robot in Sonic 2 is actually Silver Sonic and not Mecha or Metal Sonic?

IKR, I was like where is sonic CD????

But sonic mania conclusion ends up with sonic going into a portal and by the time he is out of the portal boom! He saves tails and joins the force to stop evil!

Exact 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

pretty sure the explanation from sega of europe was “it turned to the other side” or something like that

The sonic x anime explains this eggman fixes it to put it in front of the moon so he can hypnotize people with light orbs

@@realepicaaron3326 BUT THE MOON PHYSICALLY CAN´T JUST TURN TO THE OTHER SIDE CRHBKHBCRKVHCR sonic team u silly billy

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The million dollar question...lol

Because he’s batman.

"Don't you ever wonder where your tax dollars go?"

Throughout the Series it is known that Eggman holds Several assets: - Doctor-Title - Global Enterprise - Casinos - Oil Fields - Robot Armies Its wouldn't surprise me if we would find out he is one of the most wealthiest people on Mobius.

So random and this comment is so old but I really like your Jaden Yuki pfp :)

@@whiteroses560 lmfaoo thanks for making me remember this, i used to be so hyperfixated on sonic but that hyperfixation drifted to yugioh gx like last year XD glad to see another fellow gx fan :D

Well Blaze is supposed to be from another Dimension

What about Crisis City in Generations?

Why are you so intelligent my friend

Oofer part 8:50

Then there's sonic rush and sonic rush adventure being blaze's debut on the Nintendo ds

he IS mario

Actually... that would be racist.... since hedgehogs are a different race than humans

Though...under the right light, yes they look the same. But... yeah... though he was pissed because 9/10 his mind said: How the hell.

@@Jrock24cantbebeat "WOW BRO!" ;D

@@user-dx8nl9qm9d it’d be speciesist

this deserves a lot more than four likes

Sonic Mania Adventure Sonic: *BONJOUR*

@Super Mario Michael 2 Do you think that Sonic Mania and Sonic Force's is canon?

lmao

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He absorbs the *power* of the chaos emeralds

The Sonic series running on multiverse theory helps me organize things. Plus, we're getting that Sonic Villains fan-film out of it, so that'll be cool.

I have doubts if "introducing a multiverse" would be doing a good job here... I mean it can be done right but at the same time it seems to me that it's usually just a lazy solution which isn't better on solving problems than on causing them...

"Pretty good job conecting all the games" super Genesis wave everytime?

I still insist that he puts them up his butt

Mephiles would be an amazing Kingdom Hearts Villain

I mean they do take down an overpowered dimensional God so yeah.

Well, at least Kingdom Hearts has emotion and doesn’t take itself way too seriously.

@@Gemnist98 OI, Don’t diss Sonic 06 Shadow. He was written perfectly

@@phoenixablaze166 Well, that’s because Shadow is a character who’s meant to be taken too seriously.

How do you like that Obama!

@@novella7735 I pissed on the mooooon you ediet !!!!!

Me too haha😅😊🥰👍💯

Crispy Cookies Exactly xD I can't help it

DEFCON ZERO I love how he managed to roll the whole word droplets

Even Amy mistook Shadow for Sonic how you going to be in love with Sonic and not know what color Sonic is! 😂

aparently in Sonic blue and black and red are the same color? aswell as green and red.... and... alot of other things are the same in that universe if they are being confused for one another

Maybe they’re literally color blind, though I’m not sure how this would work for things like the Chaos Emeralds and other color-coded nonsense lol. It’s just a really, really stupid oversight.

It's not racist if it's also true.

*too many

i have watched sonic games lol

@@fwfusion7 That's an option too. Xd

@@hanthemaa Right now I think I got to know everything from comics to animes... within two months. But I still don't know the right order of the canon games is. Could you tell it to me if you know it?

You NEVER PLAYED A SONIC GAME??!! *faints and dies from suprise* R.I.P. to myself

@@amosthescrewball3240 ikr it took me real long to get into sonic. Hope I'll bring you back to live by telling you I already played some of the games.

Cd is too complicated, mania is a remake, theres no point. Unless we are talking about encore mode from plus in which case sure.

chungo boi well yes but actually no

@@randyofficial3614 oh yeah good point

Exactly what I was saying!

@@jomppidev1845 mania happens after generations when sonic goes back to his timeline. Then classic eggman finds the phantom ruby uses it to go back in time to iconic and new zones. During that sonic finds the chaos emeralds and fights a big metal sonic and other stuff. He finds eggman in some robot spider. Sonic beats it then the phantom ruby sends him to a dimension with a three way battle between king boiled heavy. (The leader of the boiled heavies) and eggman. (Eggman uses the phantom ruby on 6 or 7 regular badniks at the start of the game on them and that's how they become the boiled heavies) sonic is in the 3 way battle too. He defeats them both as super sonic. The phantom ruby goes haywire, returning sonic into his base form then sending the chaos emeralds away then sending sonic into a portal with the phantom ruby. Sonic goes into forces and modern eggman finds the phantom ruby and then the rest of forces story happens

Think you just said why everyone hates it

Same but I do get the part where people complain about the gameplay not being the best with all the glitches but the actually story itself was a pretty interesting concept I liked

that game was a disappointment

The story isn't that bad

@@xisioff7144 mhm, same for 06, best story is shadows btw

@@AndrixVA not for me

The timelines aren’t “classic” & “modern” tho. The modern games take place directly after the classic games And they didn’t mention Sonic CD, Amy & Metal Sonic’s first game. A second timeline happens after classic sonic meets modern sonic in Sonic Generations, where the timeline splits thanks to time travel and leads into Sonic Mania, Sonic Forces (classic Sonic) & Sonic Mania Plus.

At the end he predicted you

He skipped sonic mania😓 it was the classic time line right before sonic forces

SeatSlippinNEET exactly like he went straight to adventure and forgot Metal Sonic one of the best villains lowkey wtf

You should have said "I'm outta here" cause that's what he says when you stay still for too long in the game

Honestly sonic cd is simple. Sonic cd is to save any and stop eggman, tails stops eggman and save Taylor and knuckles is getting his sandwich back

Found you!

Oh....SMG4 memes :D

Agreed, although I am one year late.

Actually, they retconned that and made it take place after Sonic 3 and kunckles so that it could be used as a prequel to Sonic 4. Sonic Mania takes place after CD.

@@Lyric061791 no they didn't retcon it they just revisited later for sonic 4 and mania

@@HenshinAcademy I may be misremembering, but I remember the developers of sonic 4 stating that they made Sonic CD take place after Sonic 3 Saga because they weren't sure of where to put it. It was part of the reason Tails was added to the game in the XBLA and phone ports. I may have to do some digging though.

Christain Whitehead stated cd before 2 Hence why 1 and cd play similar and how 3k takes place directly after cd Plus even if cd is a so called prequel doesn't mean it can't be placed before 2

@Non-Ugandan Knuckles The sonic Archie Comics aren't canon to the games

thats sort of true but not really. since generations explicitly states that they're different versions, yet adventure acts as if sonic 1, 2, 3+K, and cd all still happened, the best explanation is that all the events from the classic timeline still happen in the modern timeline off screen. the creators wanted to build off of the lore and maintain past relationships and characters, and remaking those games just to put a new modern sprite in is a stupid idea. so they just made the timeline split to justify both. this is supported by the 3D green hill zone in SA2B existing in the modern timeline with slight differences to it since its 3D. the small differences is what solidifies them as seperate as well.

@@iamlordapollo I was always under the impression it was one timeline, with the different character designs simply being a change of art style. Generations even makes it clear that 'Classic Sonic' is just Sonic as a child. It's only in Forces that the implication comes that they're different characters, specifically when Tails refers to him as "that Sonic from another dimension". I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that was either a mistranslation or simply poor choice of wording either

@@liamstringer3978 your are correct about generations and forces referring to classic in different ways that appear to contradict each other. I think we can all agree that this change was a result of both sides of the elitist fandoms displeasure at linking the two Sonic's together as the same character, and forces establishing them as different was a hasty patch job. What you are describing is actually how I came to the conclusion stated above. If classic is from a different "dimension" but is also Sonic as a child, we have no choice but to accept both facts as true since they come from Canon material. Therefore the only logical conclusion is that modern Sonic as a child had all the same adventures as classic, they just weren't on screen. And we're prob 3d lol Edit: I also think it was originally intended to be one timeline, but as time went on, the difference between them became so vast that it stopped making sense, and making them two different characters was the easy solution.

@@iamlordapollo that makes sense. You have to wonder how they managed to make the timeline for the adventures of a cartoon hedgehog so bloody complicated! 😂

@@liamstringer3978 I'm with ya there my friend. If mania 2 comes out and references any of the modern games other than forces all bets are off. My hypothesis is purely based on taking the evidence given to it's natural conclusion since there is no hard proof until we see a younger modern Sonic in chemical plant zone or something. I think converting the original trilogy into 3d would be an awesome prequel game. Green Hill zone in SA2B was janky, but it supports my theory that the two Sonics exist independently while still having similar adventures. If I had to guess, id say the timeline splits after S3&K. Modern goes on to adventure 1, and classic goes to 4 and mania. In fact, I haven't played them, but maybe the advance games shed some light on the subject?

What i hear: B-TECH ZA WARUDO!

What my mum hears: BLAH BLAH BLAH!!

ZA WARUDO! TOKI YO TOMARE!

@@Quinnsicott lol

THE WORLD! ZA WARUDO!

why not?

AND YOU BETTER EVACUATE BEFOR E HIS PISS DROPLETS HIT THE *EARTH*

Lol what

@@issuehigh Those one famous SA fan dub

Why

Still the best sonic game for me .

@@lam99up74 better than Sonic 3? 😂

@@harrydavey9884 OH YEAH 😂

well...

+Ultimate Gamer Two worlds is a blatant shoehorned retcon. Before Sonic Forces, it was NEVER implied that Sonic lived on a different planet once the Japanese continuity was established as the standard continuity. Sega of Japan had EVERY intention to erase the American continuity; which includes Mobius. The earlier 3D games made occasional references that implied that the events of the 2D games happened on Earth. Sonic himself was stated to be from Christmas Island in the Japanese continuity; said island is on Earth.

+Knuckles "Then Sonic Adventure has Sonic on a planet of humans, without an explanation" Which should be a big give away the games were always intended to take place on Earth (until Forces's retcon, of course). Little Planet is even referenced outside of Amy's flashback; by a random human, in the Japanese version; as if it was a part of Earth. The problem with trying to use Sonic X as a fill-in-gap is that they had to change some details just to fit the concept of two worlds in THAT continuity (let alone things that are never mentioned outside of Sonic X; like the Egg Fort and Sonic racing against formula cars). The fact he was intended to have Madonna as a human girlfriend; until Sega of America shot down the idea, suggests humans were always intended to live alongside Sonic's species. The early Dic cartoons were based on the american continuity; meaning they took place on Mobius. Back when the American continuity was considered canon to the North American versions of the games. Said American continuity was eventually exiled. Planet Freedom is implied to be a future version of Earth. As in they used to live on the ground; potentially alongside humans, and then moved to the islands in the sky. Some of the manga is probably no longer canon or wasn't intended to be canon to the games; especially the one with the early version of Amy Rose. Sonic Boom is its own continuity. The fact there aren't many humans in that continuity may have been partially influenced by people complaining about humans existing alongside Sonic (Chris Thorndyke and Elise really provided fuel for those complaints). IDW Sonic has mandates slapped all over it; Sega even has a tighter grip on IDW Sonic than they did with Archie Sonic. If the comic writers are required to promote Ilzuka's two worlds retcon, then they don't have much of a choice in the manner. The sonic movie seems like it is desperately trying to make it look like Yuji Naka himself planned for two worlds to exist in the Sonic games or at the very least attempt to justify the sloppy retcon; despite the earlier games going against that idea. It doesn't help Sonic seems a bit out of character in the first movie trailer; suddenly no longer caring about property damage; even though he likely holds his speed back in the games because of that. Archie Sonic was originally based on the Sonic SatAm universe. The SatAm elements were gradually reduced over time; with the writers introducing the idea of Mobius being future Earth. With there being alternate reality versions of the planet (Anti-Sonic; eventually Scourge, being from one of those alternate worlds. Also with Robo Robotnik; who becomes modern Eggman). Ironically, Mobius's name was eventually stricken from the comics towards the end and was reduced to just being "Sonic's world". The light reboot further required the writers to make Archie Sonic more akin to the games.

In an SXSW panel last year i think they were asked this question by a fan he said ''in sonic adventure 2 the moon was destroyed in half so why at the beginning of the shadow the hedgehog opening the moon is still intact'' they would use the excuse that the moon was just facing the other direction but when they were live I think Takashi Iizuka was under pressure and simply stated that the team overlooked it. take what i say with a grain of salt but thats what i heard

didnt someone say that the moon just rotated even though that's impossible because it spins with the same time it rotates...

Well I forgot that existed until now

As far as i know - Sonic Riders series is not canon. It is kinda modern (because of it's style) but it's not in modern canon. I dunno if that makes sense what i just said xD

God bless

Just gonna throw this out there: No

well, all sonic stories are almost self contain, so everything can fit. hmm, maybe, now that I think about it, it's not canon because of nights and aiai are there?, silver is in the game too but that just means more time travel.

No matter where they place it people will get mad

And mania!!

Pretty sure it goes 1, CD, 2, 3, Mania(?), etc

Talon Stephensen yep that’s correct

@Non-Ugandan Knuckles Thanks for the info, man

I finally got Sonic CD on Steam. Can't believe I overlooked it. It's got a storyline that intrigues me. Plus, I like Amy so I can learn how they met and how she formed a one-sided crush on Sonic.

Character regression at it's finest.

You just don’t understand the power of friendship

Mine too.

I’m currently playing sonic adventure, sonic adventure 2, sonic generation and I don’t think I’ve ever sworn so much 🤣 I think if I was a character I’d want to be , I would be rouge. Great synopsis for sonic and the games. Congrats

Sonic cd is canon because this is the first game amy rose came from. Sonic mania and forces came after sonic cd and sonic 3. Sonic and knuckles would connect to sonic adventure. The guy who made this video has alot to learn about sonic. Judging from his reactions to the story, he probably knows sonic initially from sonic adventure.

Sorry bruhs, the comics show that classic and modern sonic are from different dimensions. The "Amy Rose" that makes its first appearance in Sonic CD is acually named Rosy. The Sonic the hedgehog comics even show her and Amy as two characters on the cover of issue 194.

@@criticalsausage Rosy the Rascal is Amy Rose's nickname from back in Sonic CD (game canon). That is completely unrelated to the "Anti Amy/Rosy the Rascal" in issue 194. That's the Archie comic's addition to the Sonic Universe. Sonic Team had no mention of this anti-Amy this whooooole time and she's only been a thing since that issue came out in, what, 2007? Speaking solely of Archie comic adaptions, In Issue 25, it's clear as day that Amy was the one on the island looking for Sonic, and she's the one who was kidnapped by Metal. If it was Anti-Amy/Rosy the Rascal in CD, she wouldn't have been running after Sonic with loving eyes, she would have been chasing him with a hammer trying to attack him.

@@kwbalance108 the games themselves mention that classic sonic is sonic from a different dimension though

@@criticalsausage I agree with you on that, trust me. It's clear that after Sonic Adventures 2, a whole new dimension is shown..then Sonic Generations came out and showed it as well. I just don't agree that Sonic CD shouldn't be part of this video and the fact that Anti-Amy is just a new addition, but is Amy in Sonic CD is *not* Anti-Amy.

And you will respect his name

How did it go

Lucky I wish my teacher had me do that

answer, we want to know what happened !

Bruh I lucky . I want to do that too :

Presentation on games? You're lucky

@Norbin's gaming channel Sonic was the trigger Mephiles pulled the trigger

@Super Mario Michael 2 nah

Sonic was the bullet mephiles was the gun

@@altr1k that's poetic, man

That's kind of amazing! :D

GeNeiSeS DoSe

TheTurtleKid so?

It’s a sonic video

ShadowTheSanta it was revealed in later games that the gravity of the moon forced the other side to begin facing earth. Which is still bullshit because the moon revolves and we see both sides of it regularly, and the dark side of the moon is simply a myth.

@Classic Sonic The “mania timeline” is part of the “main timeline” up until the time travel shenanigans after of Generations, in which “classic Sonic” enters white space sometime after Sonic 2 and 3 cause he knows Tails and 3 directly follows 2, and sometime before Sonic Adventure cause he can’t spin dash yet. Sonic Forces also happens for “classic Sonic” in between Sonic Mania and Sonic Mania Plus. The “Mania timeline branch” starts after Sonic 3 with Sonic Generations as the point of variation. Dark time energy follows “Classic Sonic” through the portal to his new timeline branch and creates the phantom ruby. One day “classic Eggman” discovers a new powerful gem under the ground of Angel Island and sends 5 Egg-robo’s to fetch it, at the same time “classic Tails” picks up the signal and follows it, then the events of Sonic Mania happens. “classic Sonic” gets all the chaos emeralds as the Phantom ruby takes him on an adventure exploring new and old locations (like he did in Sonic Generations). With all the emeralds in hand “classic super Sonic” defeats “classic Eggman” and the phantom king and releases the ruby from their grasp, but the ruby has been guiding him through this journey, it pulls the chaos emeralds out of “classic super Sonic” and performs chaos control, opening a portal through Space and time, leading back to the main timeline that it’s energy was originally from. It goes through the portal, quickly followed by “classic Sonic “, but the seconds difference of them entering the portal turned into months in between them arriving at their destination. And so “modern Eggman” finds the phantom ruby on his doorstop (Sonic Forces comic) and the events of Sonic Forces start. Months later Eggman takes over and omega gets destroyed by infinite who now welds the phantom ruby, tails goes to fix him but is attacked by chaos, and that moment is when classic Sonic finally reaches the end of the portal, months after the ruby. Then Sonic Forces ends with the ruby and “classic Sonic” disappearing. “Classic Sonic” comes through a portal back to his timeline, the phantom ruby follows, the phantom king and the hard boiled heavy’s get revived, “classic Sonic” works with mighty and ray again (who he met in SegaSonic the Hedgehog), he goes on a very similar adventure, defeats “classic Eggman” again, but in the end the phantom ruby overloads the systems, Sonic and friends get out safely, but poor Eggman gets gets sucked up with his base, and the whole timeline is possibly consumed, but Official classic Sonic comics were made to following the Sonic Mania gang, so everybody’s (even Eggman, and the heavy king) end up being fine. Maybe the timeline had the phantom ruby removed from it. Now some of this relies on theory’s, but it makes sense and I dont know why I’d never heard this theory. The Time-eater was made of dark time energy, it could distort time and can create portals very similar to the phantom ruby, which distorts space throughout Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces. So I believe after it gets defeated in Sonic Generations, some of it’s energy remains and follows “classic Sonic” to his new timeline and grows it’s energy on Angel Island, a place with dirt nourished by the master emerald. I believe the “dark time energy” wanted revenge on the two Sonics that destroyed it’s body, so it puts pawns in motion to destroy them both by leading “classic Sonic” back to the “main timeline” where the other Sonic resided, but in the end good always triumphs evil, and it probably didn’t account for the “avatar” helping Sonic. This was a lot of text…. Sorry, lol. I know and think way too much about Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces….

Generations causing a split similar to Dragon Ball's Android Saga makes sense to me.

No. I don't know I never saw that movie

Shockerlighting 224 you should.

@@sophiabutler1707 ok

@@guy1774 it was better than the third one

it is what it means

isaac january I know right, Sonic Adventure is after Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles

EXACTLY

The modern era is post sonic 06. The reboot set sonic in a new canon after shadow the hedgehog's ending. The new canon is garbage. They should have realised with how bad 06 was it would have been better to pretend ther reboot didn't happen and set the next game after the events of shadow the hedgehog. Oh well, SEGA has been run by idiots for the past 15 years, that's why their company is dying and they're going to be bought by a bigger company sooner or later.

You forgot a few other canon games like SegaSonic the hedgehog and Sonic Pinball

@@PsychoticaYT [ahem] I hate to be a pain in the butt, but it's Sonic Spinball.

@@benjamintheraccoon Oof damn you right my bad.

I really hate to be that guy when i say this because you got the timeline pretty much down on lock you missed Sonic Rivals 2

You forgot Sonic Boom not saying the game was good, the game was indeed trash but unfortunately it's part of the Sonic series.