"I am new, any heihachi tips?" "Bro just do omens and crouch cancel electrics and kbd like a god and punish their frames with your frames, now never ask us anything again"

Easiest example about this: Wave dash pressure is completely useless below purple ranks. They won't respect it or even think about you're setting up a 50/50 and they just gonna hopkick or spam a launcher on you lmao.

It's amazing how the core message of this video can be applied so well to things that aren't even necessarily Tekken

Me learning the game through losing to the same person over and over again for 2 whole years XD

People don’t realize that watching high level players won’t help you learn a character unless you already know that characters moves and what they do. Absolute beginners won’t get anything from that

PeterYMAO has a begginer and intermidiate friendly channel.

Why is TMM broadcasting from a Swedish discotheque

It's so easy: "be like Knee" 🤣😂

When i started learning Smash Melee one of the advices that were given to me was "Do not watch top players, do not watch Mang0's falco, he's thinking so far ahead of you and he's considering so many options that you wouldn't understand why he's doing those things. Instead look at players just above your skill level, players that you can understand and learn from them".

"Why is my opponent a rampant fucking lunatic?" Is the most relatable thing I've ever heard haha

I was lucky enough that there where people back then who helped me understanding the game.. nowadays the opposite is what you see the most sadly.

I appreciate you so much man. You get a lot of hate but you're probably the only one of the more experienced Tekken players/youtubers who thinks about newcomers and speaks out against elitism. Thank you.

In high-level you lab a character by looking at his best/most used moves and learning how to counter. If you try to do that in low ranks, it’s gonna be quite useless because everyone mashes different moves. They don’t give a shit if it’s a bad move. You basically would have to lab the whole Movelist and remember how to counter literally every move.

The boring answer is that you just have to play a lot. Skill comes with experience. Top players have been playing for many years.

I feel like one thing that really demotivated many players is the fear of demotion or the elitist view that all Tekken players cannot be lower than red/purple ranks. Honestly Tekken takes very long to get the hang of. Hell I've been playing Tekken since Tekken 3 and that was when I was 7 years old in 2005, and still before the rank reset in season 4 I was treading between Saviour and Overlord. I don't have much time to play but one thing I would say is to not be afraid of demotion and go to practice mode. Pick one main character, learn their command list, basic combos, learn the very basic/fundamental movement in the game, and just have experience playing in a ranked environment. This is one of those things where experience and practice means more than trying to follow the highest level play from day 1; trying to mimic Knee as a beginner is like asking a grade 1 student to write a master's degree thesis.

I remember when I said I was new, one person told me to research frame data and another person told me to learn how to Korean Back Dash. I was like, "Aight, why does my character look like he's having a seizure when I try this Korean Back Dash thing?"

When he said, "homeless person on meth." I felt that.

Newbie here, what I've noticed is that playing Tekken is kind of similar to playing guitar. You learn to play some licks, riffs etc. and only when you play them by heart and you have muscle memory for them, you can put them along and make a song out of it. Same with moves in tekken, you have to learn them by heart, and then understand how to apply them one after another depending on situation and our opponent. I feel the same frustration in Tekken when I try to make a combo or something and suddenly in a middle I'm braindead and I have no idea what was next to do. Same thing was when I was learning songs to play. In nutshell, muscle memory is quite significant here. So, go to practice, check out movelist and practice ;) then practice with players

The only way to improve at this game is to adapt to all playstyles, keep playing and practicing while accumulating experiential knowledge in the doing. Tekken is complex, there is no magical tip or one way to improve, it's an experience, a journey!

My tip to my friend that just started playing and was willing to learn was, forget about cool combos sidestep and winning at first. At first learn your char 10f 12f and 15f punishers the basic ws4 and ws launch punish to punish unsafe lows and snake edges and a simple juggle, then be patient and block and punish. Defense is the most important aspect in Tekken imo and since movment is an advanced option just go for defense. After u used to blocking in general try to reconigze moves that are high in strings and try to duck and dickjab them or ws punish. Sure its a lot to take for a new player but at least its an direction on how to improve as a player. Most new players usually kill themselves constantly throwing out unsafe moves and only thinking about combos.

Any rank you're at you just have to fight fire with fire, if you are getting cheesed in green ranks trying to play "traditional tekken" vs them will never net you wins. Adapt to survive, once you're out adapt again, constantly changing is what makes you good at tekken because then you can vs a wide array of opponents and change your playstyle accordingly.

Knowing the matchup is really good , like if you know how to counter Paul you know how to counter 40% of the playerbase x)

I watched a lot of Majin when i first started, i learned certain setups and stuff, but i didnt learn anything else, because i literally knew nothing about the game, or fighting games in general. Mixups dont matter when people will just mash no matter what anyway

I remember when I was brand new to tekken trying to learn Jin and I watched thatblastedsalami’s guide and tournament matches with Jin. I was trying to implement the stuff I was seeing and got destroyed by a Josie getting in my face spamming jab strings. I gave some thought of my own and found that in green ranks people get destroyed by jins delayable strings (because they really want to press) and his cheese strings (d3,3 1,d3,4 3,1,4 etc). I think a lot of jins try playing like CBM and do lots of safe pokes like df1, 1, d4 and stuff but that’s really not the workable strat in green ranks. People in high level have insane defence and can you punish you hard for the slightest mistake. In green ranks they’re never going to break a command throw, whiff punish anything, or even sometimes I spam can cans and they don’t even jab punish me.

mainman I love watching this game as much as I do playing it, its inspiring to see people as good as you and others so could you please make a series teaching how to play/improve because I really want to be good from a future content creator to you thanks for the content.

1:03 "AND LOW-HAIH" AHAHAHAHA

Watching top players using your char can give you great improvements and deep game understanding. For example I learned from tournament footages how to sidestep, how to create a whiff using movement and so on.

This is true for many games like for example in Smash bros Melee Falco at the high level has to constantly play on the defensive even tho it looks like he's playing aggressive and constantly pushing which is what low level falcos do to just rise above lower level players and once they hit around mid tier they basically hit a snag.

3:02 watching this on 1.5x speed was a hilarious experience LMAO

Practice and repetition goes a long way. Great example of this was how I slowly but surely learnt to deal with Law's junkyard and dragon tail. You go from getting destroyed by those moves and wondering what the hell just happened, go and look up what they are. Then you find a solution, a defence against those attacks. You fight Law again, knowing what to do but you're not fast enough, you get hit by the moves before you have chance to react. Then you fight the match-up three dozen times and you find that on a good connection you're...not quite reacting to the moves, you're a frame or two too late to defend properly. But you're improving, you're almost there. You practice more, then bam! You stop it and punish it properly for the first time! And the next few times it happens, you fail a few times but you also succeed a few times. You practice more, and those instances of success grow more and more frequent and not even a three bar can stop you now. Congratulations, you've solved one small piece of the puzzle that is Tekken, and developed part of the skill-set you need to deal with future problems.

New players should watch their own replays to learn what mistakes they are making and how to deal with their opponents

find a character you resonate with and then hit practice mode and do all of their moves and practice them in the heat of battle and understanding what moves are appropriate for certain situations, with experience.

I just picked up a student who's brand new to Tekken AND playing on a stick. I'm glad this video is here because it reassures me that I'm teaching him the correct way to learn and play his characters. It took him 102 matches of us training before he was finally able to win a match and I could see his progress increasing further and further in every match the more I taught him basic fundamentals in movement and poking. He knows how frame data works and even knows how to set up a few moves from only about 3 weeks of playing/practicing. WE still have a lonnnnng road ahead of us but this game is so much goddamn fun and is SO satisfying when its taught correctly.

I couldnt help but laugh when TMM brought up the mishima zaibatsu website. I remember they used to list double omen TGF for heihachi as a staple combo. as a new player im thinking "Okay well i guess i cant do any combos with this character"

I thought the thumbnail said "Bad Novice" and I thought I had finally been featured

So true, in Teal Ranks the best approach IMO is just to block and punish as often as possible.

Well, when I bought the game I stumbled upon your channel immediately and thought, I'm gonna play mishimas they're cool asf. Then I proceeded to practice eletrics hours and hours a day, I got really good at doing eletrics, but my understanding of the game was really poor, so I ended up loosing most of my matches dispite of having somewhat good execution. So my advice is, take your time to learn basic stuff first, basic movement, basic punishment and even basic stapples, when you are consistent in what you learned then try adding more complexity to your gameplay. Another tip, join a tekken discord group and look for people who wanna learn the game too and that want to practice!

The first thing a beginner might need to gain is an understanding of the fundamentals and mechanics of the game. Not high level concepts like timing or kbd at the start but maybe simple stuff to start with like the jab or df1. It will not be the core for all characters (I pretty much lucked out since my starting and main character's basics revolved around those) but it's like giving Legos to a kid. You can show them how it works but it's better if you leave them to their imagination what they can do with those building blocks once they understand how they basically function. I think it's the "ah-ha!" moment that teaches people the best and IMHO you can't show them that moment, they have to realize it for themselves by playing the game.

For me I see Tekken as one of the most arduous fighting game journeys in learning. You go from being very green and panicky, and from this phase it can take months or years to realise you can't be a crackfiend like online scrubs and learn varying approaches to deal with aggro... The when you start to get 'good', hard work even at that level gets shut down by gimmicks. I see so much players at this stage who've basically become married to the game feel almost soul drained at the frustration their experience and labbing can still get outplayed. Biggest hurdle here is learning that you'll still be learning. Anyone at advanced Tekken as TMM puts it, probably keeps their chagrin at gimmicks and lack of 'balancing', when imo I feel like Tekken 7 is VERY tame with jank unlike earlier metas where juggles and true combos were touch of deaths in T1/2/3, T4 had insanity infinites and Jin being undisputed at high level, T5 Steve being the same, etc. Tl;dr: Players at all levels should just acknowledge their personal enjoyment HAS to be supplemented with love for the game otherwise they'll find themselves frustrated at a game that's NEVER been shy from having unfair balance. And yes the Fahks and Leroys were initially built to be quintessentially braindead but another reality that must be faced is that T7 will ultimately try to appeal to the casual audience and it is the responsibility of the community and devs to maintain constant communication while accepting leeway is not always an option. You may want x or y buffed or nerfed but the ones with the schematics of what sells and what won't are BN. Don't like the meta? Play or don't. Your time is yours and getting good will come if your willingness to learn and passion are there, and if either are absent, you may just have to play less. Otherwise, play for yourself, not for wishful hoping on theoretical changes.

Learning Tekken is like starting a business. Make no mistake by the time someone gets to "Mighty Ruler" rank, no matter which choice of character in the game, they have chewed glass. (With a side of concrete if using a Mishima)

My tips for begginers : Learn 3 juggles : One who do big damage, One that wall carry, another one who can screw direclty and do wall damage. Go to practice mod, learn those combo, when you do, don't go directly online, practice it against CPU in treasure hunting mod (don't use Rageart there). Don't just spam launcher because you know some juggle, Check the top ten move of your character, learn then and when to place them. And don't focus too much on cheesy move (like Bryan's snake edge) Don't rely on rageart use it with caution. Tekken is not just about mixing up your opponent, whiff punish take a large part in this game, so learn to be patient and how to get some space. For everything else (mindgame, breaking throw, high punish and all) it will come with practice. And never forget... Try to enjoy the game! Don't be toxic. Avoid Alyssa and Katarina :D

How are you playing tournment mode? When i play this either someone gets fatal error/dc'd or the match doesnt start and the tournment gets stuck in the brackets. Have they fixed it?

Any top tips for skills we need to learn/pick up as we progress? for beginner, intermediate & advanced? like in starcraft2 one would focus on buildorders, macro, matchups then micro for the highest level of optimization, what should be the things to focus on for tekken?

@TheMainManSWE this was an excellent video! I totally agree with you on these points. I guess my question is now: Where does one learn Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced Tekken? I feel there are very little resources out there that have all of the components to each level of Tekken compiled.

I hope your videos bring so many people to tekken.

liking the new intro

AvoidingThePuddle taught me tekken

it helpd me to watch some good players just to now what the best poking is if i alredy now that i can build on that and make the char my own so i thinck looking at top players can be good

Exactly. Been struggling with this and the elitism is honestly the thing pushing me away from the game

3:23 LMAO that made me laugh too hard

True the most fun you‘ll get out of Tekken is getting better and improving by yourself like yes you‘ll see the you lose screen a lot buy then the sweet you win screen will come out more often with enough dedication and love for the game trust me! I was the most scrubbiest Paul out there and now i‘m fighting with purple and gold ranks on equal ground! 🙌

this i feel applies to any fighting game. people will always tell you something like go lab learn the hard combos and go into ranked but that wont in anyway prepare you to face a real opponent. imo you wanna learn a fighting game pick a character/team depending on the fighting game that you like or sounds good to you and try it out/practice it in online nonranked play till you get a feel for the gameplay then go into ranked and begin improving

Thanks for giving a voice and direction to a new players experience.

This video needs to go viral. This Can not be screamed over the rooftops loud enough!!

this make so much sense. I followed exactly this "advise" and wondered how I always lost to those "bad" players who smashed buttons.

Being fairly new but played long enough to know the inputs to moves that Knee used with Negan i learned my safe moves.

Hey MainMan, you think you could upload/stream walkthrough commentaries on competetive matches so you can breakdown tactics/techniques/styles from other top tier players to make them more digestible for us noobs. I've been playing for quite some time but I don't really think I've grasped everything about the game. Of course, now I'm really rusty because internet connection in Mindanao sucks for online gameplay and no mass gathering for local communities.

This helped me a lot!! saludos desde Argentina

Also, really have to disagree with the guy claiming that watching top players will showcase "how to use a character to their full ptoential." When pro players like Knee and JDCR jump between multiple characters, they can't realistically know the ins and outs of all of them, they're just boiling them down to a few essential tools, and those tools are the reason they picked them for a specific matchup in the first place. You aren't really going to learn how to play a character by watching them, but you will get to watch a lot of backdashing, df1s, and low risk low pokes. The one caveat I would point out however, is watching pro players who are character specialists/loyalists. Watching Majin or Eyemusician could be very beneficial to an aspiring King or Yoshi main, because these types of players are basically making art, they're sort pioneering what the character is capable of, so you could pick up a lot of unique setups and ideas that come as result fo their dedication to that one character.

Tip with green rank or straight up mashers hold back see if there's any pattern at all and see if you can beat it or hold back and wait for a stupid slow move on block and use a safe punish or even pull of a string if you can its gonna suck and its going to feel cheese but your not being cheese because if they weren't on meth you can use mind games and play differently remember this you can mess with a zombies mind they don't have one you just got to eliminate them quickly and safely

Give me breathing space same feeling while fighting lee kuma nina

yup the steve they say hes hard you need to know this that im like. square and triangle are your punch just use those have fun. they cant use any of that and they just focused on fun just let em know wich buttins to mash and theyl have a blast

Before my brother got into tekken he said he didnt know what character to play so i told him to watch youtubers and pro players to get somewhat of an idea that they were capable of then when he started playing i picked up the character he chose with him so i could properly teach him basics. Now he is approaching tekken a lot more correctly

There are historical documents about knights and expert swordsmen who describe their worst nightmare in battle is to fight against people who are not trained to fight. You see, when you have training you try and fight in a way that is safe to preserve your own life, and you train to fight against people who do the same. When you have to fight against a peasant with a wood axe who throws his whole body against you with no plan or idea or intent to survive you are gonna be like a deer looking ad heatlights. That's how low level tekken is.

So true when i started taking tekken seriously in 5 but they don't explain why they use or how to use the move properly

The menu theme went fucking crazy in this video lmao

Bruh I just started getting into frame data I been a jin main since tekken 5 never really understood the game the way I do now but it was like I had a basic understanding like sidestepping and punishing and mixups and it was crazy bc when I finally started playing online in t7 ppl were literally mashing wake up hop kick always doing get up kicks it was just hard to deal with for someone new to advanced tekken it’s amazing now tho bc I think I’m really good I managed to hit true tekken god before I got demoted by a Leroy but it just feels good to see how far I’ve come

Exactly. Because I started tekken from day 1 with offline and fundamental stuff and watching pro streams just before COVID. I always tried to emulate those sequence of moves and stuff. It's often not possible, with me in Green Ranks and yellow ranks. (I was orange, now my characters are green rank again except for a couple) Because you can never get the same level of respect and critical thinking from these players. To beat these people, you have to get your hands dirty and sometimes play their level of play. One example is me wanting to do taunt setups on people. Now I can't very well do that if everyone I play is going to do different forms of get up kicks, forward roll dives and spring kicks as wakeup option. No matter how much I punish them to make them respect.

1 of best TMM video i ever seen GJ!!! as Gigas player i never be Dotoring and Dotoring never be me cause we have own personality of playing

That main menu double Loop is killing me

I feel this the first time I tried learning Tekken. Mimicking and memorizing is not the same as understanding. It works not just on rl stuff, but also in fighting games.

This is gold ! 💯 Speechless

I play Tekken 7 for half the year and recently get my main (gigas) and secondary (jack-7) to yellow rank (i was very proud of that) but because i decide listen to advise on reddit to rematch a opponent until i learn the match-up i put today my main again to green rank hell (he was in third yellow rank) and i have again trouble to escape from it. (i always forget that big lose streak make me play worse)

LOVING THE NEW INTRO

as a new friend to tekken myself, I find that advice kind of silly as well, I watched some Arslan Ash maches with Kazumi (since she's the only character I've ever played) to learn *something*, pretty much everything I saw was so much different from what I see in these low Dans... the pros play to find opening in their enemies and what not, but as new players we are always open... the only thing I've learned from watching high level play was that jabs are good and nothing else

Elitist in Tekken Community is what I think Leffen was referring to when he says the Tekken community is toxic. I have had this experience and got very annoyed, but I learned to ignore them. There was a saying that Tekken was this "most balance game so git gud".. and then Leroy showed up and they dont use that phrase anymore. What is the point of having a game to be called "most balanced" when the balance is still dog shit.

I think the advice of looking at pros when picking up a character can be good in terms of what are the main moves/punishment/combos etc but ofc you have to explain that gameplay is going to be different. Nothing will ever beat grinding and learning from the mistakes you've made. I always remember how stupid I was trying to mimick the high level of tekken while being a brawler rank and it blowing up in my face but luckily I caught up and started unga bunging my way up until I started matching up against competent players or players that know whats going on at least.

Something no one ever really says. Very good video, MainMan!

I’d say, learn like 8 moves and only use those in matches. From that you will not only understand the core of your character but why you use certain universal tools (jabs, DF1, whiff punishers etc). Plus all of that you won’t be overwhelming the new player with the 100+ move list

This is how I feel everytime I play against a gimmick character @3:03

I appreciate how you understand and sympathize for people who are in lower ranks/lower skilled. Not everyone can play like knee or JDCR nor should you. Obviously know the strengths of the character and use them the way YOU interpret the fighter. I’m talking to you kazumi players lol.

Man and I haven't gotten many chances to play online yet but with covid I'll try it soon.

I started playing tekken 3 ultra casual because I was a kid, so I didnt even imagine how deep the game was, then moved to tekken 5 in ps2 and the same thing I was older but I didnt care, just have fun with friends...then I started playing tekken 7 and I now give a modest time to this game, so in my personal experience, I think one of the keys to this game is experience, by that I mean knowing the matchup, I have the feeling that no matter how well you know your character, you probably will lose if you face a character you don't know, for example: everyone says lars is or was the worst character, but I barely win a round against lars players, because I dont know WTF is he doing, hes movement is totally new to me his playstyle, everyone says is weak to sidestep but, dude I just trying to figuring out if he is dancing or attacking, and so on, and for new players the best advice is to learn your characters movelist and get used to it, if you can join a community or at least a group of friends to play with thats really helpful to get used to fight other characters as well

I just recently tried ranked for the first time its so varied, like 1 match is a Spammer and pretty easy to beat and another match for me feels like a smurf just bullying beginners. probably cause im new to tekken it feels like it, but its weird how different the gaps for players are in the beginner ranks. One dude spams the other pretty much knows what he is doing and damn he does it well generally getting really high damage combos on me leaving me with little health and than finishing me off easily... Im something in between i know the mechanics of the game on face value cause i like watching tekken its just satisfying to watch tbh. Im mostly in training mode practicing combos and game mechanics using the record and play function. Beating npcs is getting easy at this point at yellow upper ranks. treasure, arcade etc. But ranked feels weird i didn't expect a 1. dan kasumi to death combo me when i do a single mistake :/ is that rare or a common thing?

3:00 had me in tears. Its just too true xD

My humble advice for using a new character is to practice with gradual difficulty levels. It will take you from "giving you space" level up to "forcing you to create your own space" level and you will get more comfortable with the character move list as you develop a decent muscle memory on the way. Later on when you feel like you are ready, go on KZfaq and watch tips about the nooks and crannies about the character in question so you develop a good strategy to get maximum payoff from it. That's the difference between old school people like knee and modern Tekken players who think just because they can watch pros tear each other off on a very high level brawling they think they got the tutorial covered. Don't rush your transition from the move list town to combo city.

Best low rank player description ever dude, i laughed multiple times to the fucking tears, you made my whole week better, thanks.

Why is the background music always so loud in TMM streams :(

My first thing to say would be to look up some combos and read up what you should for poking and stuff and practice that on the treasure battle, then try to transition online and read up on setups and stuff, dont take it too serious, try to find your own "touch" with the game. Or go tryhard and "go and lab fucking everything and download frame data into your brain directly".

I still think it's important to watch pro's play, cause they do optimal bnb's that I would've missed otherwise, cause I would than assume I had an already optimal combo

3:28 that's my new special move ...CRAZY RABIES ATTACK

5:30 min explained it and nailed it. Mashing it easy but hitting the buttons in sequence and making it more advance that is top player who knows his/her moves.

I mean this advice works for a lot of other games. I pretty much learned StarCraft 2 from Classic (the player) and Neeb pro games (and sOs but that's ... not necessarily a good idea at silver/gold). I had to learn the very basics from the tutorial and look up specific timings later but solid 80% of my knowledge came from pro replays and how well the Tastetosis duo explained all the tactics.

3:01 always has me dying everytime I see it

Shin Paulo need to hear that intro 😂😂😂

Yeah during my Kazuya climb I have launched out of so many wavedashes was very hard to get a vortex going I pick up a character with faster moves and pokes I outranked my kaz in 30mins I was like wow it is really not the same game pro level compared to green ranks

You've given me hope for my Yoshi

You only get better once you accept that you’re gonna lose a lot. On ttt2 my win percentage was awful, about 25-30% and it used to annoy me until I just gave up and kept trying to learn from the losses. I’m not the best but my win percentage has always been above 55% and I have 80% win rate on promotions in tekken 7. so unless you’re ready to lose a lot to learn, you’re not gonna get better. Tl;dr gotta lose for possibly years before you get good.

So - what would be THEE BEST ADV for beginner ?

Ever since playing injustice 1 and 2 so much, I instinctively hold back to block and I’m in green ranks now and just can’t stop. Someone told me that was how you blocked when I was beginning but I’m seeing if I just stand, I block. Can someone just put my mind at ease and tell me what’s correct?