Zero DSR Electric Motorcycle Review

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Zero DSR Electric Motorcycle Review: I've been wanting to ride an electric powered motorcycle ever since I first heard they were a thing. In general bikers seem to turn their nose up at electric powered bikes because of the lack of sound, gearbox and raw reciprocating manliness of an internal combustion engine. Well I was one of those too until I rode the Zero DSR - a real world, practical and not too insanely expensive simply brilliant fun motorcycle. Enjoy!
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@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Wow - this one has been a popular upload! - nearly 10,000 views and 500 comments within the first 24 hours - sorry folks that I've not been able to respond to all the comments...I do read them all but in this case just haven't been able to keep up! Thanks for watching and do please keep the comments coming...I promise to at least read them all if not answer them all individually. All the best - TMF

@johnn17golf 6 жыл бұрын

TheMissendenFlyer despite the "luddite" reader who called this bike a 'fraud', most people see a very bright future for electric motorcycles. Their only (and major) downside is for touring... for now. Keep up the great content, tmf. Thanks

@DavidMitchellGuitars 6 жыл бұрын

Very interesting - saw them at Motorcycle Live so great to see a good video looking at it on the move! Keep up the good work!

@levijean1021 6 жыл бұрын

TheMissendenFlyer you wouldnt have shares in Tesla by any chance would you bud🤔

@hermanstokbrood 6 жыл бұрын

Sir, how tall are you? The bike seems a bit small to me. Perhaps a S/SR is more suitable for taller people?

@coverttwenty 6 жыл бұрын

Akrapovic will be launching their all new playing card and washing peg kit for those who like a bit of beat. The cards come in different stiffness' with matching coloured pegs.😂😂

@Miata822 6 жыл бұрын

And kick starters, drum brakes, leather helmets... I miss those too.

@fdk7014 6 жыл бұрын

I am not a motorcycle guy, I don't even have an MC license but the Zero looks like a ton of fun. I've been searching through KZfaq for Zero videos for a while now, I'm hooked! One day...

@RickSaffery 6 жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed your review of the Zero bike! I must say that I enjoyed it for several reasons. First, you're an excellent narrator. So good in fact that this being my first time watching content on your channel, I'm compelled to subscribe. Second, your accent is melodious to my Yankee ears. Third, watching you ride down the 'wrong' side of the road was pure joy. I really want to get one, Ok I want two, of these Zero bikes. Excellent commentary like yours only solidifies my resolve to get one - or two - Zero's. I'm eager to see more of your content. Make it so!

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Very kind of you Rick and thanks for the sub!

@Clampett01 6 жыл бұрын

Great to hear and see the reactions of a Zero first timer...I bought my 2014 DS straight after my first test ride and I love it. Great analysis of some of the misconceptions and positive counter arguments for going electric. I actually love the stealth factor. I can hoon around without much noise and hopefully not attracting too much attention from the "ones" who disapprove. Again a brilliant review. Next time it would be good to see you use the Zero app and explain its use.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

I hope there is a "next time" - what a fun bike!

@thejohnnerparty 6 жыл бұрын

This was a very interesting review. I'd never considered an electric bike before, but with the better range (300 miles), I think I could live with it.

@plymouthjanner8940 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing TMF. Does make you wonder what we'll be riding in the next few years. Keep up the good work.

@michaelstallard8563 6 жыл бұрын

Fantastic review, must admit I really look forward to all your reviews and found this no different, just brill .I'm now wanting an electric bike😊 keep up the good work.

@nipunsingh786 6 жыл бұрын

@themissendenflyer You changed the intro sound to buzzing electricity instead of bike revving sound nice detailing big brother loved the review 👍🏻

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Glad you appreciated that ;0)

@johnnyViDeO 6 жыл бұрын

I prefer the sound of silence over the tiresome, grating noise of poisonous combustion. And a battery is much less likely to burn you to a crisp in an accident. The elec-trick motor has several other advantages. Most have only 4 moving parts; it is highly reliable, easily rebuilt, weighs less, requires zero maintenance, is just as powerful as an ICE, less expensive, and has all of its torque available from the get up and go. The ICE is dead; long live the king: the elec-trick motor. Even old fart, traditional Harley Davidson will be selling an elec-trick motorcycle in 2019. Get green and mean, and ride elec-trick!

@TerryHershner 6 жыл бұрын

Great review! Glad you finally tried a Zero. I've had 2 Zero's now and ridden 125,000 miles on them. Not a drop of gasoline in over 6 years now thanks to Zero. Kept my gas bike (2005 Yamaha YZF-R1) as a backup the first year, but I never wanted to ride it again. A Zero is all you need. Just get the aftermarket fast chargers for long touring days. I've done an Iron Butt (1000 miles in 24 hours) on a Zero with a few mods so depending on how you ride anything is possible. The only people who ever say anything bad are those who have never actually test ridden one. Unfortunately there are still a lot of these uninformed people. Hopefully more people will try one and see what they've been missing

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

100% agree Terry, I don't think I've heard any one who's actually ridden one say it's not brilliant!

@pnblondon1087 6 жыл бұрын

Terry should have mentioned that he set a record riding 3,000 miles across the USA in 2013, completely unassisted, on his Vetterised Zero and in 2014 did an Iron Butt of over 1,000 miles in under 23 hours. I've had the pleasure of riding his machine, which was based on a standard 2012 Zero!

@Ciki92 5 жыл бұрын

but they are costly....top model looks pretty cool but 20k....nope

@taitjones6310 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ciki92 yeah, but how much do you spend on gas and oil and oil and air filters every year. Not to mention less maintenance to the motor. New batteries are not cheap, but I'm sure it pays for itself after a few years

@connor25 3 жыл бұрын

How do they age? Look like after a few years? The plastics etc?

@philbell3342 6 жыл бұрын

This looks amazing. Thanks for another great review. I would love to try one and I think this is the future for bikes. The price will come down in time like any new technology and I'm sure these will sell like hotcakes. Keep up the good work TMF.

@Jim553just 4 жыл бұрын

Good to know that this progression is not all bad news. I can see these being so popular, even with people that may not have ridden before.

@Amuzic_Earth 5 жыл бұрын

I never miss the first electric ride experience of someone, love enjoying the electric changing mind one at a time. In this particular case, I loved how the rider changed from comparing it to a kettle to have his mindblown. To the people, who still kind of demean electric appliances in comparison to something that is running on an archaic combustion engine, spewing smokes and all have something wrong with their mind to begin with. In as soon as 20 years, oil will be a thing of the past and people born in that time will be shocked to find that we used to have vehicles that were driven by burning oil. If one still can't wrap their head around it, then just ride all the bullet and high speed trains, subways, tubes etc which are running by electricity. You don't compare them to a vacuum cleaner..right? Kudos to this rider for being an open minded folk. Thank you!!

@mikek2218 6 жыл бұрын

I am totally all in on these bikes. I have been driving an electric car for the past year, and it has been the best car I have ever had... costs nothing to own/run. My next bike will be electric. The ZERO bikes are nice, but I love the looks of the upcoming Shanghai Customs Electric Street Tracker. And I LOVE that they are silent. Far more cool to ride around silent than to make a bunch of noise.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

I agree (I also have a hybrid electric car that I'm a huge fan of - the electric shove and additional torque is incredible)

@JP-yc1wp 4 жыл бұрын

Costs nothing to run an electric car for now....I’m sure they’ll bring in a tax when more and more people buy them and stop buying fossil fuel cars and bikes. Oh, also the price of electric will rocket.

@dazadorph45 6 жыл бұрын

finally a proper realistic review of an electric motorcycle. would be i terested in your reviews on other makes of electric motorcycles.

@TheDervMan 6 жыл бұрын

There was a pivotal moment in this video when you were riding behind the other motorcycle, the past was in front of you....... Really excited to see what the big manufacturers release in the years to come, glad you enjoyed the future TMF. 🔋

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Cheers and great to hear from you again - it's been a while!

@TheDervMan 6 жыл бұрын

TheMissendenFlyer Wouldn’t have missed this video. Electric vehicles are the future, won’t be long before people choose electric over fossil fuels.

@onyekaonyia8395 6 жыл бұрын

Hi TMF, finally the review I’ve been waiting for. Will you be doing one of your “long term” reviews? I’m curious to know your thoughts on the bike’s build quality. How well it handles in the wet (as it’s got no traction control only ABS)? What’s the range like during winter riding? We’ve owned an electric car for a few years now, and to those critics on here I’d say, don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. One comment about the charge times. Zero Now offer, on the 2018 range, an accessory “charge tank” which allows you to recharge using a type 2 connector in ~3hrs compared to the 9hrs using a wall socket. The charge tank replaces the pouch you showed that sits in the faux fuel tank. I really hope the dealer lets you keep the bike for a while so you can give a thorough long term review. Keep up the good work👍.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

I'd love to do a long term review on one but alas I could only borrow the bike for a short (no pun intended) time......

@tweetchris46 6 жыл бұрын

I'd Just stick some playing cards in the spokes like we did when we were kids on our pushbikes lol

@kidda74 6 жыл бұрын

Ha Ha beat me to it...

@Johny40Se7en 6 жыл бұрын

Nah, a plastic bottle jammed between the back wheel and mudguard =P

@thorstambaugh1520 6 жыл бұрын

Stick your passengers toes in the back spokes. The screaming can be heard for miles

@BasherBrookes 5 жыл бұрын

We used to use lolly sticks

@thorstambaugh1520 5 жыл бұрын

For the loudest noise, stick your fingers in the spokes

@TheAshishDdaviddShow 6 жыл бұрын

Ive seen some of your Royal Enfield reviews! You are something else mate! Love your work and follow your videos with my lunch and dinner! Love em! Keep rocking.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind comments - much appreciated! All the best - TMF

@mitchellnix5274 6 жыл бұрын

Another excellent review. Loving the torque and acceleration. Also love the looks. It has the headlight from the 660 cc Yamaha MT03 but with more supermoto styling. I'd consider one if (big if) I could ever afford one

@sharpbends 6 жыл бұрын

Great review of an awesome bike. Replacing the battery pack must cost an arm and a leg or two at the moment but battery technology is constantly improving so expect the writing is on the wall for the internal combustion engine in the not too distant future. An offroad variant must be a thing of amazement as well. Cheers TMF !

@samsara3694 6 жыл бұрын

I think the need to replace batteries is going to be the Achilles heel until technology has developed further. I read that it can cost from one third to one half of the cost of the bike to change the battery, at which price, it would make more sense to buy a new bike rather than salvage a second hand one. On the other hand, in five years time, battery prices may have dropped substantially. It will be interesting to see if the batteries could indeed hold up to 5 years use - wonder if they put a mileage quotient on that. In terms of the experience, having that torque on hand is likely great fun, but I'm not sure that after a while the whole exercise doesn't become a soulless compared to the petrol combustion experience (which is probably what horsemen said when the mechanical horses first arrived....)

@sharpbends 6 жыл бұрын

samsara My hope (just wishful thinking really) is that battery packs would become commodity / generic items and be 'hot swapable', that is stop at the fill station and just swap over depleted for a fresh battery pack and be on your way within minutes, instead of having to endure the overnight charging hassles. That would require a whole lot of infrastructure to implement but with modular battery pack systems it could be made to work with bikes, cars, trucks etc and give back the 'unlimited' range we curently enjoy with gas fuels.

@stardustdreamfactory1947 6 жыл бұрын

I worked with a fellow up until I retired who owned and drove a Honda Insight hybrid. He was down to ‘gasoline power’ only as he was quoted around $3k to replace the failed battery pack. He stated the car operated MUCH better in hybrid (battery-gasoline) mode. I suspect we’ll see many hybrids kicked to the curb as their owners are unable to properly maintain their cars.

@pnblondon1087 6 жыл бұрын

Check out Zero's claims on battery life. They are adamant that the battery will last at least as long as the rest of the bike...

@user-sv6qq8tp9x 6 жыл бұрын

When you said it only does 150 miles in eco mode I thought no way that's crap... Now I'm thinking how many times last year I did 150 miles in one run.. As a second bike or a Daly runner to work it's perfect.. Well almost

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@jennydiazvigneault5548 6 жыл бұрын

Thats about the same as my Goldwing but I can recharge in 3 minutes at the gas station. Interesting bike.

@thorstambaugh1520 6 жыл бұрын

Precisely. It is not a tourer. But for everything else, its a blast!

@Z17xMachine 6 жыл бұрын

I like it! I have to be honest. I love the sound of a triple as much as the next guy, but this looks like a lot of fun. Great review again, Flyer! Going to the Zero website now! Hahaha

@triv7252 6 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the major manufacturers to start properly producing electric bikes. I've never ridden an electric motorcycle but I do have a Trek Powerfly 7 e-bike and it is fantastic, I can only imagine what an electric motorcycle will be like. Most of us will be riding these sort of bikes in 10 to 15 years, I have no doubt. Great review as always TMF.

@martinfrost3596 6 жыл бұрын

Great review, your enthusiasm is almost addictive. I'll definitely be taking one out for a test ride soon. Not crazy about the looks though, wish they just put a conventional mudguard on the front.

@sv650nyc7 6 жыл бұрын

Martin Frost The Zero S model has the looks of a standard naked bike. I guess this DSR model is their attempt to jump onto the scrambler bandwagon.

@HalfdeadRider 6 жыл бұрын

I think they do a super moto/enduro style bike too. There is a Super Sport electric bike too, but I can't remember the name of it.

@HalfdeadRider 6 жыл бұрын

Lightning :)

@pnblondon1087 6 жыл бұрын

Zero FX trail and FXS supermoto. SR is the more 'naked street' model. The Energica Ego and Eva are the super sport electric bikes. Awesome.

@VeeFour 6 жыл бұрын

excellent! So many people write these off without considering the positives. It annoys me slightly how people make wild statements like "I'll give up bikes before i ride an electric" when they're obviously missing the point. I've been on motorbikes for over 30 years, and for me the electric motor could utterly revolutionise the game, and I for one am really excited to try them out when the mainstream manufacturers inevitably get involved 👏

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

100% agreed - I love old school bikes as much as the next man but these electric machines are brilliant too (for different reasons)...

@gordonLP 6 жыл бұрын

halogen headlight ? 😁

@fabers92 6 жыл бұрын

The problem I have with electric bikes and cars now, is that of course they are the future but there's plenty of time ahead of us (hope so). I am an ICE enthusiast and so I want to use them until they become prohibitively expensive, by which time electric vehicles will be far superior to what is offered today. That transition will be done, but it'll be done begrudgingly.

@zfsowhiteiglow6478 6 жыл бұрын

VeeFour couldn't agree more. I've been riding for 13 years and I think it's absolutely genius to ride an electric bike instead of my Yamaha fz09.

@RickSaffery 6 жыл бұрын

I concur. There's room for both gas and electric bikes. I think the electrics expand the market for bikes overall. The majority of automobile owners prefer automatic transmissions over manual. How many in that segment would also prefer an automatic bike? An often overlooked advantage of electric bikes is that AWD models will quickly become available as the market matures. I think this feature will have e-bikes pulling away from their gas powered counterparts, literally.

@neilcole4844 6 жыл бұрын

As futuristic as this bike is,you would have thought it would have some sort of slippery screen on it! Well done for giving it a go! If they were not so pricey I would consider getting one! Thanks again great to see you try one, thats why I watch this channel!

@pnblondon1087 6 жыл бұрын

The lack of any screen option is one of the things Zero needs to address.

@TheTorkerman 6 жыл бұрын

A great review, thanks! Well thought out and put together bike buy the looks. Love that storage 'tank'

@Banditmanuk 6 жыл бұрын

Looking like the future of motorcycling.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

100%...and it's not necessarily a bad thing if range/purchase cost can be sorted...great fun to ride - I'm sold!

@MrAnandml 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah these bikes are future.But pulling clutch, shifting gears and bliping throttle for that wild downshifts is some kind of a special feeling...

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

True, but not as special a feeling as the launch you get with all that torque from standstill....

@jakeyb6453 6 жыл бұрын

You no it brother I like changing gear

@lodgecav490 6 жыл бұрын

You made no mention of what the 'KERS' system actually 'feels' like, i.e the sensation of motor braking, how noticeable was it? No mention of the missing clutch and gear shifter on such a powerful machine, how did that translate? Not one of your better reviews TMF, I am left feeling not much better informed, although I am convinced this is the future sooner than we think. I hope you concentrate on the detail and don't go too far down the Delboy's route of just saying what you are told to and making up the rest.

@thorstambaugh1520 6 жыл бұрын

No problem. There are still a few auto drivers who prefer this too.

@alexanderhamilton8585 5 жыл бұрын

If you had grown up in a world where only electric bikes existed....and then, one day, someone showed up with an internal combustion engine....you and everyone else in the world would LAUGH.

@andrewhartshorn3691 6 жыл бұрын

Great review! Nice to see a review where you tested it with an open mind, and not jump on the “it don’t make any noise......blah blah” I would love an electric bike and as soon as the prices fall I am on one! I drive a small electric car every day and the battery is coming up to 6 years old. There has been no noticeable drop in range over all those years. Most electric car batteries are over 99% recyclable.

@hdrk59 6 жыл бұрын

Rode one last year ....not sure if I'm ready but it is without a doubt the future for some riders. Thank you for sharing ....fantastic video.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you...very kind of you to say so...

@streetbikes2693 6 жыл бұрын

Great Review , but… Thinking Safety, a Superfast, Slim, All Black, Silent Motorcycle, what could possibly go wrong???

@FOOLSGOLD7875 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, anyway I like buzzing through traffic and watching the cars part as I ride though 😎

@starbar1958 4 жыл бұрын

Wear a good hi Vis , stick your headlight on, ride prop

@BiglumpADV 6 жыл бұрын

Keeping things objective I think it would make a decent commuter provided you do a reasonably short ride to and from work. I could pretty much do a week's travel on that and charge it overnight at the weeks end so that would be fine. But I have to agree with others that it's going to be useless for a long run until you can fast charge it in minutes instead of hours, maybe Tesla could help there but the already daft 14k price tag would fly up as a result. Maybe it's the future, but plenty of development to be done. Nice review though TMF 👍🏻

@specialcircs 6 жыл бұрын

Zero offer a quick charge option + an extra 'tank', both of which drastically reduce the charging time to, I believe, 2 hours. eco-motorcycles.co.uk/addons

@ru54623 6 жыл бұрын

Contact SC Do you know if you can charge it from a public ev charging point?

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree - charge time is an issue, but technology is moving fast!

@pnblondon1087 6 жыл бұрын

I can tell you for certain that you cannot, Rupert. Not as standard anyway. However, fast charging is available from Diginow.

@alexanderhamilton8585 5 жыл бұрын

Elon Musk says he's "never" going to do a bike because "They're too dangerous". He's got a point.

@Miata822 6 жыл бұрын

Good review. I rode one. The Sport version. Loved it. Will get one once I make room in the garage. I've had electric cars for a while and you just get absolutely addicted to how they go. Makes everything else feel old-fashioned.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

I agree - as a recent convert to hybrid cars (just bought an E-Class Merc Hybrid) I don't need any more convincing....

@amulustube 6 жыл бұрын

Great review as always from TMF! One thing around braking is the existence of regenerative braking based energy collection that these EVs handle. You mention it, but in many occasions actual brakes are not needed as resistance from regeneration slows down quite a bit. I believe the regen level is adjustable in custom mode.

@LambChopRides 6 жыл бұрын

That is very interesting indeed! Hmm bit of an eye opener..

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

...it certainly was, see if you can get yourself a go, would be interested to hear what you think being a sports bike man....

@LambChopRides 6 жыл бұрын

Yes will drop them a message, thanks for the insight, great review as always

@jaylittleton1 6 жыл бұрын

Change to a set of Monza type bars with a flyscreen and the ride is more comfortable.

@mickeypopa 6 жыл бұрын

14:23 "It ain't a normal, internal *congestion* bike" :D

@duncanblanchard334 6 жыл бұрын

Really interesting review, and would like to see a long term test of a electric bike, including costs of ownership, insurance, security, charging times, cost of a new battery and depreciation. Hope you can get one for a few months, and a great start to the new year for your channel. Great stuff.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Now that would be good....

@seanfrank4158 6 жыл бұрын

I've liked Zero bikes for quite some time now and they're the brand I'll eventually buy. Good job TMF.

@bikesmith 6 жыл бұрын

Nice review,as always. One thing you fail to mention is the maintenance (or lack of it) There is no oil to change, no oil filter, no air filter, fuel filter, coolant or valve clearance to check. Adding this to the electric power savings (Vs petrol) makes this bike even cheaper to run. Administrative power is also extremely low on electric vehicles. There is no oil pump to drive, or cam shafts, fuel pump, water pump, injectors, or myriad of sensors. You don't even need to warm up the motor... I rode an electric bike for a couple of months and, quite frankly, it is hard going back.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

All very good points - wish I'd thought of them!

@bikesmith 6 жыл бұрын

TheMissendenFlyer As you said, this is your 1st electric bike review. You have to look at these in a completely new perspective. All the points I mentioned are, in my view, very important. Just think of it for a second: No maintenance. That alone is like motorcycling 2.0. No warm up needed. No gearbox. No catalyst converter needed. The electric motor will last for ever. It does not matter if it is a new bike or a 200k mile bike, the motor will always perform the same. Just like the fan on your computer right now. Or an hair dryer. The phrase "one carefully owner" no longer makes any sense. Apart from crashing, the is absolutely no way to ruin it. The change is deeply more profound than just replacing petrol for electricity. May be a video on the subject? I (occasionally) ride prototypes for a bike manufacturer if you need some help on the subject drop me a line. Stay warm, Alex

@splodge5714 6 жыл бұрын

How much to replace the battery?

@bikesmith 6 жыл бұрын

splodge 57 I imagine quite a lot, maybe as much as £4000. Still, if you divide that over the 10 year lifespan of a current technology battery it is still cheaper that servicing a "normal" motorcycle. But even that will quickly become a thing of the past with the new solid state batteries that are starting to come out. This first generation already delivers 3 times the capacity, much softer charging times and a far, far longer lifespan. Keep in mind that the petrol bikes we ride today are the result of one century of technical refinement and these new electric bikes are the first of it's kind. These bikes aren't an.. evolution, they a re a revolution. Just sparks. No plugs.

@splodge5714 6 жыл бұрын

I agree with all you say but all new technology is improved upon and is very expensive in the early days. At £4,000 for the battery and a 5 year warranty I see a lot coming up for sale after 4 years!

@1066Sussex 6 жыл бұрын

Come a very long way since the milk float I once drove.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Indeed they have.....

@themagicrat8803 4 жыл бұрын

But were you faster than Ernie?

@low-costgearbudgettour714 3 жыл бұрын

Haha. Me too. My first electric experience was indeed driving a milk float. Later, I had a GM EV1 for a week. Loved it but the range was only 50 miles which wasn’t enough to get to work and back. Definitely interested in an electric bike or too, next year.

@suffolkrider7 6 жыл бұрын

Great review TMF , Going to be an interesting few years for these machines, Indeed BANANAS!

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@nickturnbull4302 6 жыл бұрын

First time I've seen a review on an electric bike which left me thinking I wanted one. Excellent stuff.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

They are great fun Nick.....

@samgab 6 жыл бұрын

The true telling factor: When push comes to shove, could you envisage selling the STriple, or the Panigale, or the R1200GS, in order to buy one of these?... I was disappointed to see that it has a halogen bulb headlight. A bike like this should definitely be all LED lit. Led's are brighter and far more efficient, which becomes important on an electric motorbike, and you don't have to replace bulbs, and they look cool. Moreover, I was also disappointed to see the single disc, no-name brake on the front. For the price of the bike, a pair of twin disc Brembo M50's would be appropriate, especially in view of the performance and potential speed of the bike.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

All good points Sam - for me the looks don't quite do it - it does look good compared to other electrics I've seen, but if it were shaped like a Street Triple or a Panigale, then yes, I would sell one to buy one....

@splodge5714 6 жыл бұрын

...and you will be doing a lot of pushing and shoving!

@davidholden2658 6 жыл бұрын

That's the dual sport style one though. if you try the S or SR They're closer to a naked street bike like the Street Triple.

@empanada401 6 жыл бұрын

With regenerative braking you don’t need much mechanical braking. Our electric forklift drivers at work only use the brakes to come to a complete stop.

@splodge5714 6 жыл бұрын

Have you driven on the M25 when traffic comes to a stop from 70mph.

@cosbro5389 6 жыл бұрын

Its 3.51 pm in Perth au so this is an ealry start for the flyer

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Well spotted :0)

@NNICKKK 6 жыл бұрын

Cosbro got to uncoil all that cable you see... that’s got to take a few hours. 😉 Great review TMF, looks wild riding such a silent machine.

@MrSTAdventures 6 жыл бұрын

As always cracking review....like you I like the sound of the internal combustion engine but the Zero does seem to get up to break neck speed very quickly....I know a chap who uses the Zero set up for American Flat Track Racing and has had a fair bit of success with it. Thanks for sharing TMF 👍

@twowheelsoneleg5672 6 жыл бұрын

Great review as always, I like the idea of having one as an additional bike just too expensive at the moment but price seems to be heading in the right direction

@BillyBigBalls770 6 жыл бұрын

This is the future, make the most of your traditional combustion engine, there days are numbered. Great review.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Agreed......

@mattcc6603 6 жыл бұрын

How long have we got left?

@BillyBigBalls770 6 жыл бұрын

Matt cc Oh I'd say till the end of the month.

@mattcc6603 6 жыл бұрын

John Richards I'll be sending my valve grinding paste back for a refund then.

@kyotosal 6 жыл бұрын

Nothing like saving gas and saving the air too!!! It's the future!

@tomofnorthcal 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with much of your review. I finally test road the SR and DSR, then bought the 2018 DSR with a tank charger. Almost free to charge at home and $2.50 at ChargePoint.

@moss17dale 6 жыл бұрын

I've been commuting on a Zero S for the last 3 years. It is so practical for that task. I commute 200 miles per week, the cost of electricity is £2.50. It has very little in the way of service requirements. I changed the tyres this year after they had done 15k. The indicator bulb is the only other thing that has had to be replaced. It isn't heavy on the brake pads, the rear brake is hardly used, the front is just used for the final stop, the bike speed can be controlled pretty effectively by rolling on and off the throttle. The twist and go is perfect for riding in heavy traffic, you are always in the right gear for any situation. I recommend that everybody should at least go out on one for a demo, you may be surprised.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

I 100% echo all that! Can't wait to get on another one.....(which I'm working on for later this year)

@Campbellteaching 5 жыл бұрын

Where the heck are the British manufacturers?

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 жыл бұрын

Good question!

@lazarusledd91 3 жыл бұрын

in bankrupcy

@patrickhd34 6 жыл бұрын

My wife has a BMW i3, it's a proper hooligan tool. Off the lights, you can leave pretty much any car (faster 0-40 than the latest BMW M3) and keep up with regular motorbikes. The only downside...chews through tyres because of the instant torque. The bike looks great, but rear tyre will probably last 3-4k miles. Also, the charge socket should really include a faster charge facility, 9 hours is too long. Can charge i3 at home using fitted charge point in 3 hours and has a much larger battery. Can fast charge at motorway services in 25 minutes. Also, unless you have a garage or off-street parking not really practical. But still think the bike is brilliant. Could embarass some much larger bikes. BMW is rumoured to be launching a mainstream electric bike this year. Thanks for the great review TMF.

@busterrabbit 6 жыл бұрын

I agree electric cars are great fun, instant massive torque surprises most car drivers. Only drawback with the i3 is the skinny 145 width tyres and the equally massive understeer when you try and negotiate a roundabout! A Kia soul EV is a better bet, a normal car but just electric.

@Hirotoro4692 6 жыл бұрын

My Zero's tyres are on 5k miles with no noticeable degradation, and I do my share of hard acceleration. You can actually buy faster chargers for Zero but it costs, you guessed it, loads more money :D

@patrickhd34 6 жыл бұрын

That sounds good about the tyres. I am sold on electric cars, but electric motorbikes...definitely don't want to be too stealthy on a bike.

@andrewjamesphotography8888 6 жыл бұрын

Another great video and review. Can i say your video is getting better and better, the camera quality is very clear with your older video sometimes you got some blurring 😉

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks - I assume you mean the older videos weren't so clear (GoPro 2 v GoPro 4)

@davidherringgo 2 жыл бұрын

fantastic review! welcome to the world of e bikes , I test road 4 this weekend , I pick up a 21 DSR next week . Ergos really suited me . Pricey but man are they fun. If you wanna know what torque is , hop on a Harley Live Wire you wanna hang on to that I only twisted half throttle.

@ChompsLewis 6 жыл бұрын

I think the future lies in removable battery. Each fuel station would have an attendent like the old days who has a special tool to remove the flat one and swap it out for a full. The amount of charge left on your old battery would determine how much you pay. The attendent would then place it on charge and keep it stored for the next guy.

@djwarren5081 6 жыл бұрын

ChompsLewis blimey. You'll be wanting two gallons and a shot of redex next.

@ChompsLewis 6 жыл бұрын

Deek Anderson yeah if it were to happen there would need to be only a handfull of standardized sizes like we have for normal batteries. But technology may get to a point where the chargers are that good that they might only need to be pluged in for 10 minutes for a decent charge. Even with bikes and cars now you dont always go for a full tank, just enough to get you going.

@chrisredfield3240 6 жыл бұрын

I would want 10 miles for £1 at least

@chrisredfield3240 6 жыл бұрын

And 20 minutes of my time is worth at least £5

@APsupportsTerrorism 6 жыл бұрын

Would be prohibitively expensive. And make your battery trivial to be stolen... shits like $3k+. Anyone that's ever worked at a gas pump will have access to that tool. At that point you may as well just pay for gas. Cars will likely move away from pure EV to some kind of onboard charge system (HFC? Generator like Volt? Solar?) that temp stores in smaller batteries. In the meantime, EVs have 1 niche that they'll dominate... commuting/groceries/errands... the daily grind. If you want to drive long-range, bike or car, it'll be with a petrol engine for the foreseeable future.

@Miskatonic-University 6 жыл бұрын

I´m sure that my next bike will be electrical. I´m so fed up with the never-ending maintenance and problems of the gas engines. They should place the rear brake in the left handle like in scooters though, you get used to it pretty fast and it´s much more comfortable than using the feet. As soon as the range problem get´s solved and the charging network widens, it´s bye-bye for the gas machines imo. We´ll see in 5y.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Interesting times ahead!

@Tom_Hadler 6 жыл бұрын

ROKUGAN I agree the brakes would be better that way in this case, balances the look out better

@kleinbottled79 6 жыл бұрын

How 'bout variable regenerative engine braking connected to the left lever and additionally retain the rear brake as is . You would probably end up vary rarely using the actual rear brake, but would still be nice to have it at lights etc.

@owain6207 6 жыл бұрын

ROKUGAN - Cant get away from the maintenance i would argue electric bikes would cost you more to run than a gas bike in the long term. batteries and brakes will need replacing eventually they wont be cheap plus u still have the usual tyres chains bearings and bushes etc then instead of an engine your gonna have one huge motor run by bucket loads of electronics.. At least with a gas engine they can be repaired/serviced easily Electric bikes likely have to replace anything that fails which wont be cheap Not bashing on the electric bikes i just think they will be more of a weekend toy instead of a replacement for the foreseeable future.

@cosbro5389 6 жыл бұрын

Just invested a couple of hours watching all the reviews i could find on this....brings a smile to most of there faces

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

We can't all be wrong can we?

@jamesgoodwin2450 6 жыл бұрын

I think we are looking at the future,I didn’t think you would be disappointed,we need a long term review,brilliant stuff

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

I'd love to try living with one of these for a period....if any electric bike manufacturer wants to get in touch I'm very open to the idea!! :0)

@dnzrdm 6 жыл бұрын

I can't help but feel like electric motor makes more sense in a scooter frame. Low maintenance, short ride, lots of room for battery...

@Hirotoro4692 6 жыл бұрын

BMW have one of those. It's insanely quick for a scooter. Can't remember what it's called but there's vids for it online.

@pnblondon1087 6 жыл бұрын

BMW C evolution and evolution Plus. The dog's doodahs. As fast as the Zero up to the restricted top speed of 80mph, but have traction control and Reverse as standard. And cheaper!

@kalel33 4 жыл бұрын

@@pnblondon1087 I looked it up and it's $14K in the US, which is as much as a Zero DS and has less range.

@pnblondon1087 4 жыл бұрын

@@kalel33 In the UK, the BMW C evolution Plus is cheaper than the Zero DS (14.4kwh version) and the range is comparable - a real-world 80 miles ridden in a mixture of city, suburb and open country. I say that having ridden lots of Zeroes several thousand miles since 2009 and both production versions of the BMW, plus the original C evo 2012 prototype many hundreds of miles. Zero range claims should be taken with a large pinch of salt unless you're happy to ride very very slowly....vintagetovoltage.wordpress.com/the-authors/paul-blezard/

@TheGoldenPig. 6 жыл бұрын

I'd like to know what the life expectancy for the motor is. I've burnt out many a scalextric motor in my time :)

@MatBettinson 6 жыл бұрын

Things got a lot better with the advent of brushless motors :)

@MatBettinson 6 жыл бұрын

Things got a lot better with the advent of brushless motors :)

@APsupportsTerrorism 6 жыл бұрын

DC brushless w/permanent magnets are probably half the bike's price. And weight. They went for the most expensive and most efficient electric motor imaginable. That motor will last forever... early BLDCMs are rated for upwards of 10k hours of use. The batteries will be dead and chassis unusable long before that happens.

@johnnyViDeO 6 жыл бұрын

The lithium batteries are fantastic. I drive a 2013 Volt with about the same capacity battery as the Zero. Over 66k miles, the battery still gives the same range of about 40 MPC. One Volt driver has gone over 400,000 miles , with NO BATTERY DEGRADATION! Mine is warranted for 8 years, and the Zero's is warranted for 5 years. What other motorcycle has a 5 year warrantee on anything?

@pnblondon1087 6 жыл бұрын

Zero reckon the batteries will last 200,000 miles, minimum.

@mikealdridge5608 6 жыл бұрын

Great review. The shape of things to come. I'm sure the price will come down as demand rises. No road tax to pay either!

@rockingrodders8551 6 жыл бұрын

Nice Bike..being so quite would worry me..my main fear on the road happens to be wildlife..I only ride an R3 with stock pipe but that noise gives me some presence I feel really valuable..anything electric should bleep in my opinion to make sure anything that can’t hear them still no they are there..keep up the good work my man..another great review well done you..!!

@Omsracer1 6 жыл бұрын

Great review of the future of motorcycling! You have amazing legs as your inseam seams to grow and shrink regularly. One day its 30 inches and the next it's 32! How do you do that:-)

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

You're paying far too much attention....

@chrisredfield3240 6 жыл бұрын

It's 32 on a cold day!

@eubikedude 6 жыл бұрын

He puts in different inserts into the replacement knees, obviously! I need to get a set of those myself.

@eubikedude 6 жыл бұрын

@Chris Hart Don't you have that backwards? ;)

@kennethmccurdie5833 6 жыл бұрын

Please oh please, will you abstain from describing yourself as “short” at 5 feet 8 inches; only one inch below the 2017 national average for men. Spare a thought for those like me who are 5 feet 3 and an inseam of 26.5 inches! Clearly a challenge on most bikes which is one reason why I chose a Diavel: both feet down! Best regards.

@iamtherealzombie 6 жыл бұрын

Lol at the noise during the splash screen, love it. Remember, they don't need to worry about long-range comfort with the seat, because you'll have to stop after an hour to recharge anyway. Electric motors are great, but batteries are not the storage solution, imo. All the eco-mentalists (JC's term) are up in arms about how electric vehicles will save the world, just wait until the batteries (or components thereof) all end up in a landfill somewhere.

@sv650nyc7 6 жыл бұрын

iamtherealzombie With a 150-200 mi range you're looking at 2-4 hours of riding time. And I'm sure you will be able to use quick chargers at designated charging stations that should nearly give you full capacity in 30 minutes. Also, batteries have been and are fully recyclable. The recycling rate of car batteries is about 99%. Compare that to engine oil and coolant if you want to have a real debate. I don't know what you do with your rechargable batteries, but it's illegal already to put them in regular garbage.

@nigelren3719 6 жыл бұрын

SV650NYC There's a 6 month owners review of this bike on youtube. The actual range is 100 miles and that's in eco mode with a brand new battery.

@Hirotoro4692 6 жыл бұрын

The batteries won't 'end up in landfill'. That's way too much precious resource (96% of which can be recycled) to just throw it in the general trash.

@JDMHero47 6 жыл бұрын

The sad part honestly is the amount of pollution they have to produce in the mining countries like south America, in order to make a battery. It's not just the mining equipment's pollution - The chemical waste is horrendous, nut to mention how much lithium you have to mine in order to get 1 oz of the stuff. I've read (old publication, hopefully) that it's 1 metric ton of ore for 1oz. Of lithium... Truly horrendous, & you do that processing all with chemicals... ='(

@CodeZombie 6 жыл бұрын

Lithium is no longer commonly mined as an ore, instead its pumped out of the ground as a brine, and left to evaporate. www.amusingplanet.com/2015/10/the-lithium-mine-fields-of-atacama.html

@-DC- 6 жыл бұрын

Great review they certainly aren't boring TMF! Had a go on one myself and really enjoyed it if you can approach it with a open mind you will be amazed.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Agreed....

@spiritusinfinitus 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent review - I'm itching to have a test ride on one of these!

@petergoddard1960 6 жыл бұрын

I hear everything you say, and clearly it’s quite a hoot. But, no. Not until they dont need charging or any contact with the ground at all. When they can do that, for six grand, I’ll have one. Now where is that GS.

@levijean1021 6 жыл бұрын

Come on Mr.Flyer. The sound,the rumble,the smell of burnt fuel,the clutch/ gears, simply standing back and admiring the beauty and complex fine finish detail like a triumph possesses. These bikes possess no character what so ever. This is the boring future. Like a family household having dinner together nowdays,bugger all chat and everyone staring in silence at there devices. Its bloody scary

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Oh dear, things sound grim in the Sandrino household....

@TheDervMan 6 жыл бұрын

Have you ever ridden an electric motorcycle? Don’t knock it until you’ve tried one. It means we can continue our hobby without destroying the planet, it’s a win/win in my book. Then there’s the benefit of much reduced servicing, no more ‘valve checks’. Personally I can’t wait.

@levijean1021 6 жыл бұрын

Haha no Mr.Flyer we actually have good conversation in our house hold during dinner etc. (No devices allowed during certain times). I just observe general society these days and it seems most are not only fixated on devices but are also turning into one themselves (like lifeless bots). The lazy ones love Technology. Its all to easy. Ill get back to the point. You said it yourself TMF, that is that you feel invisible riding one of these - thats not what ridings about. Just my opinion.

@levijean1021 6 жыл бұрын

Will Davis lol. Ive had my fair share of dodge em' car rides and slot car sets as a child. Once stepped up to combustion engine theres definently no turning back

@maz2496 6 жыл бұрын

We will all be surplus to requirements soon, next the self drive motorbike as the car is already made!!

@delerium2k 6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely perfect city bike. Quiet, no stink, no chain maintenance, no constant shifting in stop/go, no roasting in traffic, power for quick overtakes, sufficient range to last a few rides before charge... may be time to say farewell to beloved CBR

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Could well be, in town this would be unbeatable...

@twolaneblacktop8034 6 жыл бұрын

Tried the exact same model last summer with a buddy of mine, loved it, quite the interesting ride. We were both amazed at the torque and acceleration of these bikes, just a little pricey but a lot of fun!

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

100% agree....

@MUNRO13 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent bike for those who don’t want to live any more.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Have you tried one??

@TheDervMan 6 жыл бұрын

Don’t knock it until you’ve tried one......

@MUNRO13 6 жыл бұрын

DervMan get on a silent motorcycle? No thank you, I value my life.

@TheDervMan 6 жыл бұрын

MUNRO MUSIC 1, motorcycling is statistically the most dangerous mode of transport so if those things are important to you stop riding now! 2, By the time electric bikes are mainstream there will be an option of an augmented exhaust note, wether that be via helmet speakers or external loud speaker option. 3, Saving the planet is far more important than burning fossil fuel and annoying people with overly loud exhaust pipes.

@nmkavadarli 6 жыл бұрын

DervMan for #1: really? So you are saying motorcycling is dangerous, and if you are riding that means you don't value your life a bit... Nice one! I bet people wearing protective gear while riding doesn't make sense to you either. Riding is dangerous so why bother, shorts, t-shirt and flip-flops is more than enough :D

@leandronatale4408 6 жыл бұрын

Invisible on a Motorbike? Not good.

@daveharriman2756 6 жыл бұрын

Love it! would seriously think about getting one of these, very impressed!

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Cheers Dave...

@LoneAmigo17 6 жыл бұрын

Great report had usually hopefully you can visit a show room and give us a run down on styles please, I had a brief look at the NEC show I think they do faired versions , love a few more reviews in the future please 😃👍

@SlashEverythingDentalTech 6 жыл бұрын

Another cracking review Sir , 🎩‘s off

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF

@tjday64 6 жыл бұрын

Very impressive, Good Looking Bike, Nice Mirrors (my pet hate) great torque which is real world power = FUN My opinion on retail electric bikes has been upgraded due to you good work and review. Thanks TMF

@ChrisDunnG4KVI 6 жыл бұрын

Great review. A real eye opener and on roads I recognise. My home town.

@eggshapedfred1 6 жыл бұрын

Great review! It's almost two years since I was dragged kicking and screaming by my wife into a Nissan dealers to test drive a Leaf. I wanted to hate it I really did, but was blown away by it. Electric vehicles drive so refined and smooth (and quick!). The only thing putting me off one of these is the lack of fast charge. I did a bike tour of Scotland this year covering 1500 miles in 4 days. At 9hrs charge for 150 miles, I would have spent nearly 4 more days charging :-). If I had the cash and space for two bikes, I'd love one of these.

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Me too!

@albertosbrolla8424 6 жыл бұрын

I'll have to test ride one, looks interesting, thanks for sharing!👍

@Alfuckett 6 жыл бұрын

Cracking review as per !!!!,,, and I'm loving that bike !!,, what a piece of kit,,, and only 14k amazing.

@ThumperXT 6 жыл бұрын

Cool video and the pick up looks fabulous. For me,the bikes engine sound is one of the reasons many buy a bike. I`d still like to try it though. Well done

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

That instant torque more than makes up for the loss of noise believe me - grin inducing stuff...

@ThumperXT 6 жыл бұрын

It could be a Harley thing for me then, my Night Rod with full Akro sounds slush.

@davidgoddard5423 5 жыл бұрын

Rode a DSR today from Amped Motorcycles in Newport & absolutely loved it. Great handling with powerful, smooth and predictable throttle response. Seriously thinking about getting one - bit of a hefty price tag though!

@colinhollyer2013 6 жыл бұрын

I like....love acceleration so I'm in far to much money...great review again!!

@mortorv2030 6 жыл бұрын

If only they can get that full charging time down! Would love to try one though. Great review as usual Mr Flyer!

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@paultaylor701 5 жыл бұрын

What a great review, many thanks.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching Paul!

@fantomkaustubh 6 жыл бұрын

I love it! It has that pseudo scrambler look to it.. its like a Batpod for the poor! 😛 Great video as always!

@stanpeverley 6 жыл бұрын

great review on what looks like the future of biking! just as a thought though, the like of piaggo with the three wheeler & other big scooter / commuter type bikes shold be jumping on this tech as those kind of machines & type of riding (commuting) is ideal for this (saves petrol for us to have fun!!).

@robertwbeams9929 5 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! This has to be the future of commuter biking, Pity about the initial cost. It would be interesting to compare say 5 years ownership with this bike vs a petrol machine. If the Zero is built well, methinks the breakeven with the running costs of a conventional bike will be sooner rather than later. I would really like one!

@anthonyfox2836 4 жыл бұрын

Great review. Will definitely check out one for a test. One small issue is that the price does not justify the means. For £14,000 you’d buy a v clean used Ducati multi or BMW GS. Zero is the future for sure but until the price is reduced will most bikers go for combustion power - let’s see!

@mildcamper5429 6 жыл бұрын

Bloody awesome. Today is a strange day: TMF reviews an electric bike! Nice explanation of your senses on this machine. Oh to give up almost (if not all) those messy lubricant changes. Also, great news if you get proper rural with so little noise to rouse the country folk. Sadly, this would go missing off my pathway in no time... I wonder if matching Tron leathers and paint job is on the cards?

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, or at least dress like a stormtrooper or something....

@adambainbridge1047 6 жыл бұрын

Loved the different intro! Made me giggle

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Glad you spotted that :0)

@stevenpilfold9125 6 жыл бұрын

Great review as always, like the look of it but really needs a tail tidy desperately, and the torque on that thing is just mental.

@Jay639. 6 жыл бұрын

silence is golden, but for filtering couldn't be to hard for zero to put a speaker on it to add any engine noise we desire via mp3! for safety of course,,,, and a bit of fun, as for missing that smell i am sure there is some aftershaves that come close,,lol. great video well done TMF.

@nigelpstreet 6 жыл бұрын

Glad you're OK at last, and the bike isn't actually totalled. The torque characteristic does seem a potential culprit - and definitely something the manufacturer needs to take seriously.

@stanleysadventres 6 жыл бұрын

Great video! Love watching your content. I wonder how it will be like long term?

@fazerthofzs9123 6 жыл бұрын

love your bike reviews bud, arguably one of the best on here, Be very interested in you view on the new kawasaki sx 1000 kinds regards neil

@TheMissendenFlyer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much...stay tuned for more Kawasaki's in the Spring!

@thomasanderson87 6 жыл бұрын

Another great review,knew nothing about electric bikes,now got some idea, looks like BMW mirrors. Thanks for all your work in 2017 and look forward 2018 👌

@alexanders1365 6 жыл бұрын

Nice Review! I have tested the electric scooter from BMW and i really liked the riding experience. It was very smooth to ride and it provided lots of torque in every situation. An electric bike would be perfect for commuting, crusing or for a fast ride. But i think, the big manufacturers are still holding these electric bikes back from the market. They bring concept bikes and show everyone that they could if they want to or they sell overpriced bikes but they are not really pushing these bikes into the market at the moment.