I think there was also some pride in there with Rhulk

Eramis:Revenge (possibly? idk)

@@sozzyfox3541 For me Eramis just seems lost. Though this weeks message between her and Misraaks seems like she's made peace with her decision, or at least took another huge huff of copium that'll probably wear off again

And Xivu Arath?

​@HasvenWorld i don't think eramis will become a disciple she has failed to much and is not powerful enough to become and the witness punished her by turning her house into wrath born scorn or taken

By that logic, capital could’ve shot our ghost instead of standing around

Or we could've used Strand to YOINK our Ghost lol.

​@@akaj2013 "YOINK" lol

​@@akaj2013 Strand pulls us toward, not them toward us

Strand is basically just a weed rope

That’s the point, lol. Calus was just a pawn.

I felt The Witness made Calus a Disciple just as a throw away asset not so much as a longevity type disciple, and to bolster Calus ego and arrogance to make him comply.

Calus was the "means to an end" literally.

Calus was never even supposed to link the Veil to the Witness in the first place. Its plan was always to use Calus to force the Guardian to defend the Veil themselves, during which it would use our Ghost to establish the connection. Now it has... whatever it got at the end of Lightfall and a Cabal legion that has shown to easily be made thralls since Leviathan.

i feel like the witness made him a disciple so that calus may feel like the witness’ right hand maybe

*dies to water*

@@ARegularMarsBar *dies to world border*

@@Qmdkajhc *dies to a random rock while travelling at the speed of light using a sword*

He/She dies regularly however we revive quicker than any other lightbearer in history

just make the final boss a Phalanx who smacks you with mach 20 against a wall

He wasn’t strong to begin with just hedonistic

He was a pawn from the start. He had to die to allow the Witness to obtain the veil via our ghost. The Witness used Calud and never intended to keep him alive.

he weak because he is emperor, He was not as good fighting as someone who was a warrior like rhulk and nezarec.

Didn’t help his case he was only made a Disciple recently. Rhulk had been one for eons and Nezarec for god only knows how long. But Calus? A few months at most.

as soon as calus was reshaped, he kept one characteristic that was already dragging him down: Alcoholism, and seeing that most of the richess that the witness could provide were just material assets, but nothing organic, that's when the problem escaleted quickly and Calus ended as the biggest Goof under the name of Disciple

Like an opposite of the trees of silver wings the travellers power makes

@@lewismartin3430 Indeed. Comes to show that although the light and darkness may seem different, they are more alike than we realize

there's a lore tab on the VOTD master completion sparrow (the sparrow is called gouging light) that talks about the branches. they're meant to heal whoever they come into contact with, though they also have disastrous mental consequences on those who don't already seem to be acquainted with the witness. my guess is that the branches sprouting like that on death is a last ditch attempt to save them. you can also see smaller branches whenever you destroy a weak spot on rhulk, presumably healing that damage done

Reminds me of deathroot from Elden Ring

@@nilli111 Pretty much, yeah.

Calus was just a puppet, the real army leader will probably be xivu arath

Calus was a clown

They did Calus so dirty

​@@f1fanatic241 Calus was a fool, a joke of the Disciples, he believed himself higher than me and I had to put him in his place, I am glad the guardian killed him, now I don't have to deal with him

I mean calus was never a fighter, even among cabal leadership he was weak by comparison because he had people to do his fighting for him. In leviathan, he didn't need to fight you, he had so much abundance he was just amused watching guardians fight their way through his army to get his treasure. Dinner and a show. Plus hes a hive god with his own throne world before he was a disciple, so death was just an inconvenience. And I loved that side of calus, tbh lightfall was a massive character assassination because Calus doesn't serve, that's like his whole thing. Caitl would have let him stay if he would have abdicated and died in obscurity surrounded by wealth. But Calus doesn't serve. He would rather hoard the wealth of the cabal and play games with demigods while he waits for whoever ends up leading the cabal to show up on his doorstep and beg his forgiveness and access to his prosperity. But he overplayed his hand and the homeworld was lost to the hive when he was probably one of the only people who had a fighting chance to stop them, because hive god. Then lightfall rewrote him to be a desperate sniveling coward who would sell his soul for the opportunity at greater power. Even accepting all this, the witness wanted his army, not him. His purpose was to die fighting us so the witness could infiltrate the veil, so him being a pathetic fighter was actually a point in his favor.

That's why he left nezerac as well

​@@GravitonLance she?

@@GravitonLance Homie the Witness is a IT or WE, it even calls itself a WE, which we have no idea what the hell that means

@@THERATSANDTHERATS probably because he has multiple faces and voices? Idk

@@GravitonLance No its literally just a it, its not even got a gender, its a unknown entity beyond our understanding, its also a we, possibly some kind of collective

Nah I wish the Pyramids had their own race, not just be empty vessels, enemies that look and are designed like Rhulk, Tormentors and Nezarec (although Tormentors are carbon copies of Nezarec ). Such a shame Bungie has not created one, my biggest disappointment with them so far.

@@EpticityOG I remember when people thought the veil were the true darkness entities

@@savageace1152 According to leaks that was the case during the Forsaken era, but that was before they changed the Pyramids from being actual darkness to wielding Darkness. But “The Veil” were at some point leaked rumored to be that 5th race, but as we know now they used it to be something else

The nine feel like a meme who's sole purpose is to not be explained properly

@@PlamzDooM they did get explained kind of if you read the Dust lore book from back in season of the drifter, the whole season was about the 9

And we'll do it again since that's what he implies. Nezarec is basically immortal as long as there are those that remember him, so we keep coming back to kill him over and over.

​@@tylormobley4482 essentially, torturing him which is something he would enjoy a lot

@@TheWandererGhost i really like how they built up nezarecs story before the raid. He would basically fuck with people in neomuna by whispering. Just imagine walking and hearing some random dude talking in your head lmao

​Nazarec feels like the embodiment of "we do a little trolling".

Gonna be an awkward raid when the next disciple has lust as their personality trait lmao

​@@bret9331 don't worry I'll take them on. No sacrifices needed

​@bret9331 it's gonna get a lil kinky 😬

Pretty sure they’d love to get “destroyed “ by the Witness

​@@bret9331 better be a goth alien mommy with thicc thighs or i gonna have a stroke

The witness did have a statue of nezared in it's own pyramid as well and since rhulk was it's first disciple, it's guaranteed for the witness to have a connection with him considering how much it trusted rhulk

Then again nezarec and thulk seemed more devoted to the witness than calus. They carried out the witness’ plans and have an understanding that they’re below him whilst calus, even though a desciple of the witness, talks back and still regards himself as an emperor.

@@greedxvii3698 I’m pretty sure Nezarec doesn’t care about being “devoted” to The Witness. It gives him the power to inflict pain and torment. Its goals coincide with Nezarec’s desire to be terrible.

@@kasm7870he did in the past. After his revival he seen the witnesses flagship and him gone. He can probably sense rhulks death and uses the raid as a game. He wants to fight us and doesn’t care if he wins or loses. He’s mentally unstable and only wants a worthy battle. He also wanted to test out his new light ability’s rather than his own. The version we see in game is a husk of his former self

Doesn't feel like it now with the black fleet leaving our reality except for the one ship the traveler shot. Honestly at this point I don't want to see anymore new players on the board. Eramis and Xivu will do just fine as the last disciples

new inspiral lore mentions a long dead disciple, so you right. But since the Witness crusade against the universe spans for billions of years, some may have died before us ever meeting them.

Yet to be hunted

@@kylemclaren617 eramis care about her house more than the finality,she might just be an asset to the witness

You will really like the salvations edge boss fight then.

The witness isn't darkness itself however it does use it

He thought he was a disciple, but he was leagues below.

I don’t even think Oryx knew The Witness existed. He was subject to his tithing to the Worm Gods, who were being subjugated by Rhulk, who was a Disciple to The Witness. No doubt Oryx was a massively powerful entity (moreso than Calus or Nezerac) but he certainly wasn’t a disciple.

@@AubergineMans Definitely not “Leagues below.” He conquered solar systems and exterminated species. He claimed trillions of soldiers to fight in an army that followed his will alone. He’s definitely more powerful than Calus or Nezerac.

@@kasm7870 Nah. He's not even the strongest hive, let alone stronger than a disciple.

Nezarec literally has a Warlock exotic named after him

@GravitonLance he also does Quickfall. Homie is a void hunter.

Same, I assumed they all inhabited a pyramid but it also seems like alot are empty and are just being controlled by the Witness.

He probably offered The Witness something so ridiculous that he couldn't provide so The Witness agreed to make him a Disciple but just used him knowing that Calus couldn't hold up his end of the bargain

@@PenguinzFTW aren't Calus gave Witness his cloning tech?

It was the witness that met calus

Calus was never truly a disciple. He was exploited as bait so our ghost can get close to the veil

@@neuu8708 I like that interpretation the best.

Calus specially, Nezy is at least powerful and a threat

Nezerac was a disciple for a long time, he wasn’t thrown in

umm... Nezarec had more build up than rhulk. Rhulk was also introduced then killed

@@altaraeastral9288 Rhulk is a fully developed character is the point. Nez is literally vague lines & armor fragments to end up as a strike level raid boss

​@@altaraeastral9288 There was so little showtime for Rhulk as he was introduced in the raid but made up for that time.

Well he kinda already way Starscream of the destiny universe he does constantly come back only to be killed again and again so his entire character was already Starscream

bro aint no way them robots are stronger than disciple calus

Calus did Calus dirty. Calus was a fool.

@@SUPERDESERTOPIUM considering all of there displays of power compared to calus they probably are

Wtf you mean the robots stronger😂

where have you heard this? a year after the raid came out and your comment is the first place I've heard of it

Untrue, his recovering remains were exploded by a sparrow by a member of the hidden shortly after the events of the raid.

Do you not want to use LFG?

​@@epicn I literally cannot find one where they teach people new to the raid. It's all kwtd

Kills them by putting them into a final shape I meant

the witness has to be a campaign

​@@Lasersquad500 That would be an insult

@@The_Light0001 hahaha,it would be even more disappointing if the fight was like calus

Bungie confirmed the witness will be a raid boss

those are nezarecs eyes

those are the eyes of both i think

I agree, don’t get me wrong I really liked seeing Rhulk and his story, and can’t wait to see what lore Nezarec brings. But I can’t not help but be disappointed in how Bungie since D1 teased and hyped up the Pyramid ships as the big bad of the story, then tease them again in D2 Vanilla ending. Only for them to so far be so underwhelming and be locked behind raids. I really expected Bungie to goes guns a blazing with Beyond Light in finally introducing the 5th enemy race the one attached to the Pyramids and should of shown us The Witness then too. After Shadowkeeps ending its what I expected, from the story I wanted something a new enemy race, instead we have gotten nothing but empty Pyramid ships fighting the same enemies over and over again. There is so much architecture and culture in each Pyramid ship so far, that at some point I refused to believe that there was no new enemy race inside them. But now I honestly probably don’t even expect anything for Final Shape. Would of been more badass if we fought Rhulk with a new enemy race of the Pyramids, same with Nezarec etc. instead we get reused enemies the same ones we keep fighting over and over. Really makes me wish they didn’t introduce the Disciples, until after we had fully dealt with the Hive, Cabal, Vex and Fallen completely( I don’t count the Taken and Scorn as they are essentially headless armies of the story). Would of been better to have had the last 3 DLCs be fully 100% focused on the Pyramid fleets, The Witness, the Disciples, a 5th enemy race, and so much more.

@@EpticityOG imo i think that it may be possible that they introduce a 5th race in final shape, it makes sense for me because we dealt with the fallen, cabal already the only other race thats following the witness thats not dealt with yet is xivu's hive which will probably be used for seasonal content, also the introduction of tormentors at LF seems off since LF is the setup for final shape so they might be our first glimpse at a new race maybe?

@@Idk-fk4mq Is it possible yes, but I feel like it’s also very unlikely at this point, they would have shown something more by now. Yes I know the Tormentors are the first official “Pyramid Unit” enemy type, they were such a breath of fresh air, and I got excited when they first got introduced during the reveal but then we later find out that they are pretty much miniature clones of Nezarec, which could mean they could just be a one off new type of enemy. Taking a look at Beyond light we fought against the Darkness powered Fallen, with the secondary enemy being the Vex. In the Witch Queen we fought the Lucent Hive with the secondary Enemy being the Scorn and the Taken to a lesser extent. In Lightfall we fight Darkness empowered Cabal, and the secondary enemy type were the Vex again and once again the Taken to a lesser extent. Based off that I could assume that either A. We fight the Hive but empowered with Darkness abilities, rather than their Hive Magic with the Taken and possibly Scorn taking the secondary role, although I expect it to be the Taken. B. Vex take center stage as they have not been the main Enemy Race since Curse of Osiris. With the Hive taking 2ndary role. Or C. Like you suggested maybe we do get that 5th enemy race or maybe a different pyramid unit. Plus the Hive as the secondary Enemy. But for now I lean towards A as the most likely of outcomes.

@@EpticityOG im aware that tormentors are just clones of nezarec but that could still open more possibilities for a new race like clones of older dead disciples or maybe an ancient darkness wielding race that are cloned for the Witness to command. I also doubt that all the pyramids are just vessels, some are commanded by disciples. My theory is MAYBE there's a disciple as powerful as rhulk is and is the Witness's left hand man and commands his own race. For me that makes the most sense since nezarec is just another disciple since he has flaws and doesn't really agree with the witness's goals which includes removing pain since its a weakness. So surely the witness has another rhulk-esque disciple out there commanding the 5th race.

+ ii doubt they'll use xivu as a setup like calus in LF and might save her for another expansion post final shape

Honestly would of much rather have had Xivu Arath as Lightfall’s main villain. I feel she won’t get the same treatment her other 2 siblings got with their own DLCs.

Final Shape raid is Witness bro

@@EpticityOG That's what i fear, there's little leg room left for her to stretch her potential

@@brunogonzales3752 not necessarily

@@rah2665 i dunno man leaks are as of now 80% precise

all of the pyramids surrounding it went in, and there were 8 of them, the ones that made the formation around the traveler resembling sagira.

Rhulk was the first disciple, as he was described making Nezarec into a disciple. So, no, Rhulk is the very first known disciple. Not Nezarec. Also, Rhulk was around millions of years before the Golden Age and millions of years before Nezarec was made a disciple.

i just want to see xivu have an actual meaningful personal presence in the game before it's too late. I am curious what the big titty statue in the lunar pyramid was though.

​@@PlamzDooM maybe the witness true form?

but sooner I mean

Why didn't we do that, you're telling me that the strongest guardian, a literal god killer who can trow black holes, can't fly but Ikora can?

​@@GravitonLance Why didn't our guardian just fucking use the grapple that we got from strand?

He died during the first collapse and sorta did his own thing after he was ressurected using both light and dark instead of only dark

which disciples?

Only the hive and witch queen

No, she wasn’t. She was going to become one, but rejected Rhulk and The Witness before she could fully become one.

Sweet Business

yup 😂