Instead of a man once being fluid ,now cramed and distorted by the classical mess.May become fluid again unteathered unconditioned to the classical mess .The awaking of intelligence is this light within oneself.I hate using the word become ,i like better may man be fluid again.Since becomeing is the movement of thought or psychological time.To be instantaneously.

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I wonder what J would feel/say to know that his words are listened with so much joy, passion and openess now via the internet. But do we really understand him now?

Not really.

What so great wisdom in these words? He's saying we're nothing then from where these energies of the universe comes from which is converting from one form to another eternally changing and creating, operating and destroying everything, what is that? That's not nothing. Only a fool will be easily gets convinced by these forms of intellectual circus, this is of no use to know anything for real.

​@@howdareyou5800Who do you ask that question?

​@@Agastya_MuniI didn't here him say that, if I'm correct. These are your words. It's your interpretation of his words. You compare your interpretation with what you think you know and then you have a judgement about that. That's not very objective, isn't it?

Agreed. Fantastic, yet absolutely real. If understood correctly, this is cutting directly at the root of the "thing" that stops the spontaneous working of the Divine through each of us. No more f***ing around! Look, Listen, COMPLETELY!

Same teaching as Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed.... Yet the world can not SPIRITUALLY DISCERN these teachings so they became mental/material religions based in Duality(good and evil). The Material World is Illusory.... Infinite, Incorporeal Omnipresence is the ONLY STATE OF BEING!!

Then just leave all this. Why is everyone attached to something and uttering these lines? 😂😂😂

This is a recipe for a miserable world though. This is exactly why people just don't look at the consequences of what they do and how bad the world is and also why they keep reproducing brainlessly.

​@@markzantua8753 youre just confusing 2 worlds you're speaking of the man made world and your world is trash because you all want it to be. You whine about how bad it is yet you all fall in line with your own or another man's tempations greed and lust. So no this isn't why your world is trash in fact it's the exact opposite.

The Universe produced my mind. It gave me the ability to ask why. It’s THE question. It’s not JUST a mind thing. A mind thing, could be THE THING. As in Consciousness. It may feel good to say your mind and your self is nothing, but I don’t see the truth in it.

So why does ONE appear DIVERSE in LIFE?

​@waldwassermann For fun 🤷‍♂️😂 just my perspective. A movie wouldn't be fun if there was only one scene, one character, one line.

We seem to think that as we advance through time, we logically evolve into higher, more enlightened beings, when in fact it's the exact opposite, especially with the advent of modern technological advancements. I think it's been demonstrated through current affairs during recent history that spiritual growth is certainly not congruent with the proliferation of technology. The more access to modern conveniences we have, the more dumbed-down and ignorant we become. So it's no surprise in 2023 we are reverting back to our cavemen ancestors' animalistic nature. In fact, cavemen probably had a greater spiritual connection to the divine and nature, and possessed more wisdom than we'll ever have!

Not unique in the slightest.... Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed all Outlined this Principle, but because the human intellect is ERRONEOUS it can NOT SPIRITUALLY DISCERN their teachings, so they were made into religions based in duality(good and evil).... Man/Matter is an illusion!! Infinite, Incorporeal Omnipresence is PRINCIPLE!!

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Nice! Dacă ai ajuns aici, sigur ai trecut și pe la Alan Watts și Tolle! Dacă nu, dă-le o vizită.

@@MTZArtist am fost , am trecut dar de acest vorbitor nu pot sa trec.😊

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That's again just thought.....

But from where did this energy came to existence and how the energy got its various different forms and properties that's the real question of mysticism, not this thought exercise non sense of Jiddu.

Nope you're just consciousness

​@@Agastya_MuniAnd what is the answer to that 'real question of mysticism'?

I don't want to offend you, but I wonder if you understand what this is about. I'm no specialist, but I know something about human anatomy. Concepts like ego, self or psyche are usually located in the brain. Neuro scientists have mapped the whole architecture of the brain and there are no structures that can objectively be identified as such. They simply don't exist. So what are we talking about? There is no objective self or ego or me or psyche. These concepts are constructed by thought; they exist in thought as an idea. It's a complete virtual thing, it's illusion. What ever you say about something that doesn't exist is nonsence! But since we are so conditioned - programmed - from childhood on, it's obviously very difficult to understand, let alone to be aware off. You exist as a biological organism controled by a brain, like all the other vertebrae, or even a fruit flie. That brain controls your walking, eating, sleeping and all the rest of it through awareness. In that we do not differ from a cow or a mouse. All these brains, however big or small, do the same thing: provide food, safety and reproduction. These are the biological conditions for life. In modern human beings - Homo sapiens - cognition evolved into the abillity of thinking. We need that imagination for practical reasons, otherwise we can't function. Whithout it, we couldn't even make a shopping list. But the whole psychological part of that cognition is illusion. It's virtual ballast! If we are not aware of it as an actual fact - and most people are not - that illusion manifests itself in reality through our acting, inwardly and outwardly. The world we bring about is the cultural product of thought, but unfortunatly the quality of that world is illusion, because we live in that illusion inwardly, wich causes enormous havoc in our world! That's a fact. The seeing of that fact is the understanding; it's the actual pin put in the bubble! Than what happens?

So then, If it comes as a grace, why then are gurus and spiritual teachers trying to teach methods to reach it and make it seem like everyone who isn't trying to get to this realisation is wasting their life. It defeats the essence of K holding these talks, why is there a gathering trying to tell people what this "no-thing" is when it is achieved by grace which we aren't in control of?

@@QurlirtyBrainwave I think its like the sleep analogy were you ultimately cant force sleep to happen but standing up in a fully lit room at night hyperventilating as your surfing on webMD won't make it likely that you will.

It is indeed paradoxical. But it seems there is a kind of urge to share the ineffable loving feeling people who went thru enlightenment experienced. But the thing is that it is ineffable… Only a person who had such an experience could possibly understand… The idea might be to show the moon to the audience and hopefully they will not focus on the finger

@@QurlirtyBrainwaveyou need to become available to grace

But then your realisation becomes a thing, unless you totally let go of it. Even if you identify as the watcher of thought, the infinite, you are still creating a thing.

Well he is saying something about 'nothing' so in essence he is saying nothing. The problem with him and UG is that if you enter into their worldview seeking to 'understand' the ego has already snuck in 'you*' ARE still in charge and you is the illusion of thoughts constructed on memory. I don't know personally that too many people - myself included have the bandwidtch and psychological make-up to enter into his experience. It demands the sacrifice of everything we hold - I hold dear, my house, my partner, my family - Jesus said the same thing about those who wish to follow him, abandoning wife and children etc. Which is as it should be - if there were 5 people on his level of realization in any one place who the hell knows what might happen?

Nothing to say, nothing to teach, nothing to learn. Nothing to sell, no pills, no potions, no powders.

The EGO is actually the Human Intellect..... Consciousness is INFINITE Omnipresence, which is THE ONLY STATE OF BEING, and there's the Illusory Sense of being(matter) caused by entertaining a belief duality(good and evil).....

You've probably said the only worthy response to his work. May you be free from suffering, may you be at peace!

The source of thought is memory, that’s why each person thinks differently having different personalities and knows different languages, acquired from experience Where do memory or experience come from?, “Rupert Spira” can explain it better

Experience comes from senses and beyond senses The ground of experience is consciousness And we're conscious beings including animals birds bacteria...etc

Thoughts come from words, doctrines, teachings, opinions, ideas, etc Rubbish from people but we carry it on

The Experience Comes from the Memory Which is Expereinced by the Experiencer......

And with this question thought can´t give an answer, because in itself is experience and memory, isn´t it?

Because of false beliefs, wars are here. Religion being one of the most false beliefs. Nationalism and ethnocentrism, authoritarianism also cause wars.

Not just because those religions. Wars have a deeper cause.

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@@kft Thanks a lot

u r missing the profound nature of his revelation. I read JK many yrs ago, then got into lot of psychology, recently again i watched him. THis time I got it. Pl be patient . It's worth the wait /try to understand. It frees us psychologically totally.

​@@_.-c his revelation to throw away the mindstuff is not that novel. a version of buddhist no self practice. as Toddzen pointed out though, be aware that he doesn't look happy, that's an obvious tell that smtg is off on an energetic level w this teaching. his goal may have been to alleviate suffering by removing thoughts, but it didn't seem to lead to joy for him, just absence of suffering. no self practice can lead in that direction, removing the toys of the child that is the mind so it can grow up can be very serious stuff! i perso prefer self as that which possesses all positives qualities though, still free from suffering, but got a little more brightness to it.

This freedom is beyond happiness. What you are doesn't know happiness and does not depend on it.

The purpose of life is to live outside the intellect that created this illusory world you believe you exist within....just like Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed did!! These beautiful Mystics outlined INFINITE, INCORPOREAL OMNIPRESENCE AS PRINCIPLE, knowing matter to be illusory!! Intellect took these teachings and did what is natural to it: TURNED THEIR TEACHINGS INTO DUALISM!!(good and evil)

​@@minimal3734what does it depend upon?

'Rejection' comes from conflict of desires, which is the same old mechanical self made by thought. If the false is truly seen without division then the false comes to an end without conflict. The difficulty seems to be that the thinker gets its hands on everything one hears and makes an theory or abstraction out of it, therefore an escape from seeing the fact because thought cannot exist where there is attention. Thought and attention are mutually exclusive.

You aren't your thoughts. Thoughts are appearing and disappearing while you aren't.

from my limited understanding, I think JK is pointing to the "self" that is put together by thought, which is of no essence whatsoever. As compared to the "true self" which cannot be spoken about since its untouched by thought

That's also my understanding. Sometimes it takes a lot of attention to understand Krishnamurti's words. Very deep.

Same here

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