I find it funny that "Suddenly, One Day" and "Holiday" got caught in the crossfire just for existing.

You can tell whether something counts as a negative effect by their color in the game. Declare Duel and Vengeance Mark are red so they count

4:40 I actually like the animation for Yi Sang's skill 2. Though it's hard to see basically every time another coin is rolled another hole appears on the enemy basically like a "you're already dead" kinda thing. It's kinda hard to see though between the paint and enemy models.

Huh That title perfectly describes the ring in general now that i think about it.

19:36 That unknowable consequence is called a steeper slope for Sisyphus

bleed, nails, and literally anything else. Welcome to the new N Corp. edit: I can't believe you forgot the fourth reason: she's a rodion id, and thus gets access to Rime Shank to slap Sinking onto the enemy with a decent to high count.

To be honest, I am perfectly ok with the Ring IDs being busted for one reason, they are standard fare IDs. Not Seasonal or Walpergis locked. Anyone can shard them, so everyone has a fair shot at getting these powerful IDs.

hello it is me WingBeat Fan I haven't done the exact calculations yet, but the initial SP burst of up to +18 SP from Yi Sang's support passive is a massive boost to its consistency. I wrote up something for wingbeat already, taking into account Butler Faust support passive as well. (taken from some other comment i made) The two support passives are obviously Butler Faust and Ring Yi Sang *Uptie 3 Butler Faust, very simple, ally with least SP heals 2 sp when hitting a target with 5+ sinking. Use Molar Ish for this since if the target has tremor, she's completely sinking neutral. Max 4 times, so 8 total SP regen. Ring Yi Sang's support passive's wording is weird. "1 Ally with the least SP heals 2 SP On Hit for every type of negative effect on the target. (max 6)" *This doesn't mean max 6 negative effects, it means max 6 SP.* "If the target has Bleed, heal 3 additional SP" For a total of 9 SP. And then max 2 times per turn. So for the first two coins, ish regains, (9+2), (9+2), SP, meaning she'll gain a total of 20-21 SP, due to wingbeat's second coin losing 1-2 SP on heads hit. On the third coin, Ish is at *40 SP minimum*. This is a HUGE increase to the likelihood of hitting heads compared to the 18-19 SP she'd be at without these support passives. Her SP looks something like this, starting at 20: 31 > 40 > 40 > 40 > 38 > 36 > 34 SP. Assuming the 1-2 sanity loss rolls max each time. Of course, that's very unlikely, and you can notice in the video that Ish actually originally started with 36 SP and ended at 38, meaning she GAINED SP from using Wingbeat in this situation. (again, reusing my comment from another video) Oh and in terms of other IDs and EGO, not sure it's even worth mentioning, but obviously Rodya for Rime Shank and Sanguine Desire can be very helpful, to maintain Sinking and Bleed for both support passives. Just be careful about her sanity, since if it's lower than Ish's, Ish won't get the SP healing. Luckily, Sanguine Desire's "Bleed Count doesn't decrease" effect is [Combat Start] so as long as Rodya's slower than Ish, you'll be fine. And of course, in general, anyone who can apply long-lasting debuffs like tremor, or unique debuffs like Butler's Mark, Nails, Echoes of the Manor, Declared Duel, Vengeance Mark, etc are all helpful to increase the reliability of Yi Sang's support passive. (Although I will admit, jury's still out on whether some of those actually count towards it, I haven't bothered to check). EDIT: This tech is probably like completely useless, the only time wingbeat max roll will matter is low turn railway, in which case just reset forever. But this is what Limbus is for. Glory to coin flips.

2:28 it's 45 raw, 10+15+20=45

I think the main worry with releasing IDs of this strength is how you release future ones that compete. We already have seen R Cliff and N Clair force Heath and Sinclair to get additional top tier IDs to compete with their generic utility, and while I can't say much about the Ring general utility outside of MD, there's also the issue of status competition. How can you design another Bleed Yi Sang or Outis ID when these are so essential and powerful? We've seen somewhat similarly to an extent with Spicebush vs Dieci Yi Sang, with Dieci attempting to copy Dieci Rodya's tanking abilities in a failed attempt to compete with Spicebush's integral role in Sinking, and to a lesser extent you could say Butler Ishmael tries being Poise and Sinking, statuses Ishmael already has incredibly good IDs in, ending with her having no real purpose outside of Slash Fragility. This is mostly theoretical atm, and we have seen N Clair be shoved almost entirely out of Burn because of Dawn Clair, so PM has dealt with this before, I just think I can understand why they really wanted to nerf these IDs.

The beautiful part of the title is very accurate for them

I found that running a Bleed/poise team yields the best results for the ring Ids, with the main team being >Both Ring Ids >N Faust >Pequod Ish and Heath >Pirate Gregor This comp allows the team to easily build up to all of the necessary bleed conditionals they have, which in turn allows the poise Ids to consistently build up their poise. The only downside is that you don't get any debuffs other than bleed outside of N Faust's kit, which means you have to lean more on being lucky to get the Ring's coin reuses.

I'm really happy about these two IDs because they just revolutionize team building. I like the idea of just picking the IDs I love and make them work because Ring IDs just want debuffs. This video is really valuable for me, the way you slice up their kits helps me understand these IDs much better than reading it in the game, with the limited screen on a phone.

Any ID that makes me bring Kurokumo gregor to the battlefield is peak, I love his animations so getting a reason to use him is awesome

As an entertaining team building point, I used these guys as an excuse to actually use n-don. It was both pointillists, grippy Faust, n-don, hook lu, and n-cliff. Mostly an excuse to take the n-don out for a walk since I love her but the tremor bleed overlap before was a bit lacking.

Kurokumo Gregor provides even more than you'd expect for the bleed team when accounting for the Ring ID's mechanics. On top of having high clashing power against bleeding targets, he provides reliable Sloth gen on S1, offense level down and atk power down on S2, and offense level down and plus coin drop on S3. These debuffs are all very useful, and he only needs 7+ bleed potency to fulfill most requirements on his skills, except for S3, which requires 10+ bleed potency for the plus coin drop. The Sloth gen also helps in fueling Yi Sang's Sunshower and Crow's Eye View, as well as Wishing Cairn. The Sloth gen can also help fuel a number of other EGOs like Holiday Outis, Effervescent Rodya, and Legerdemain, if opting to run Kurokumo Ryoshu on the bleed team for Gluttony gen and high bleed count application + debuffs.

I think these IDs are awesome for the health of the game in the long run because they make so many older IDs more relevant. The only scenario where I think PM would ever go too far while making strong/broken IDs is if it made 0 sense in story context and came out of nowhere, while being so jaw-droppingly broken that you might as well have given us a constant lunar memory buff. The biggest downside of this is: If this is how strong the mere Ring students are, then how broken are the actual docents and maestros going to be? If they're weaker or undertuned, then many will of course be disappointed. But if we ever get higher-ranked syndicate members of the fingers, they'd have to be crazy broken or unique to even be accurate in terms of power-scaling to compete with these two... or it might just be that these two will be the exception.

I too believe that Yi Sang’s s2 is unnecessarily strong, but nerfing it now is a massive tall order to ask due to the nature of gacha games. It would take getting collective agreement in the community to get the nerf through which is nigh impossible because of desires and demographics being wildly different. If there were still time to conduct the nerf, one interesting nerf would be to have the reuse condition reduce coin power by 2 or 3 but increase in count application, but that is merely an idle thought.

Good thing about an ID that strong is that, like with Nclair, they're the prelude to a new Uptie. Which means PM can apply what they learned with newer IDs and make older ones even more fun to play with than before.

I think powercreep isn't so much of an issue in regards to damage and status. I'd love an ID that comes out that has a single coin skill basically a clone of Rime Shank, or even better, one that has a clone of bird's eye view to help all of the ID's that rely on rolling higher speed. The biggest issue though is powercreep in regards to rolls. I understand that more consistent clash wins can make or break an ID, but if rolls keep trending higher and higher, then enemies will also roll higher, and higher. Creating a sort of feedback loop where by the end, an ID that rolls a 9 on s1 is going to pale in comparison to one that released rolling a 16, or even higher. I think this is probably the aspect of the game that project moon should be keeping the closest eye on, since unlike ruina, these identities are (allegedly) supposed to be usable regardless of where in the story you are at.

Absolutely absurd to me that they managed to make an ID almost as good as W Corp Meursault.

Thanks for putting so much effort into such niche things. Like geniunely amazing thanks. Hope you wont burn out

Always love your content!! And congrats on such a quick video turn around!

Uptie V is either gonna do all these new IDs ungodly dirty or some old ones are gonna get INSANE

God I love the ring IDs so much

ESGOO actually interacting with the units and stuff is an addition to the video that I didn't know I needed. I hope he does more of it.

Wild ESGOO Encounter.

The one thing that OP IDs cause is an artificially-accelerated power creep curve, which is a negative. It's probably similar to the entire issue that occurred when the Shi Association stuff was released in Library of Ruina, and how the subsequent power curve adapted to accommodate to them, even after nerfs. Though, we could use power creep on the Shi IDs, Project Moon! Maybe that's worthwhile? 🙏 (I guess that's a reason they were made first; no way to have another Shi Association OP moment.)

Five different ailments? Honorary FF Marlboro! XD

The issue I see with the Ring IDs is them counting for every status, aka the thing they are changing. Why? Because then a full Ring team, whenever that happens, would be able to trigger 5 out of 7 status fusion gifts which... I mean, that would be fun to see, but I feel like that is too much tbh. Oh also you didnt mention the built in synergy that Outis has with Holiday, with her inflicting random debuffs on enemies when buffing allies, which is why her S3 is made that way. Holiday is a pretty good in general due to the big SP heal, which, paired with the random debuffs makes it, in my opinion, probably a better pick over Ebony Stem as it is more flexible due to its SP heal and easier to fuel for the Ring IDs.

14:50 Statuses are separated into three types which seem to reflected in their text color schemes. Buffs are always written in yellow, neutral statuses (most notably things like Screwloose Wallop's "Surgery" and technically "Aggro") are brown, and debuffs are red.

Like the Ring IDs, ESGOO knows how to make some fine, _fine_ art. One thing to note about the Ring IDs not touched upon is that they are *General* releases, rather than being tied to the current Season. This means even if you can't get them on the banner (or want to save up for the next WNs) you can shard them with only a few trips to the MD mines. So not only are the Ring artists powerful, they are easilt accessible. Patrons of the people, Yi Sang and Outis are! I'm a bit sad that they're getting locked to only Bleed EGO Gifts, since as they are the Ring are perfect filler units for almost ANY Status team (Poise and Charge are out of luck, but it's not as if they need the help). 'Blurn' teams were going to be a thing now like 'Bloise' , and it's a shame that potential is going to be whited out. Oh well, they still are premier Pierce units that'll gel well with Rabbith Heath and N-Faust, so no matter what I'm more than happy with them.

"The max roll on the second skill's 38." PM: "Ah, yes, what an excellent idea. I'm sure this won't backfire."

wut where did my 22minutes and 46 seconds go to? got so immersed love ur video a lot

i cant believe we Suddenly, One Day got a pair of IDs that forced PM to send out a message even while their translators were on Holiday, how surprising!

The fact both of these units are just good in a 'thrown together' team is... fucking awesome. I like having a single thing to build around, I really wanna make a dawnclair burn team, the idea I have have 2 units that just by throwing a couple of my sinking units, a rupture unit and something else and just... go and have a good amount of sucess is... really cool. I want more like this.

Man, who let PM cook with a 38 rolling skill 2 😭😭😭 Where is the QA team and who in their right mind thought that a skill 2 that rolls 38 would be fine?

Is it just me or does anyone else sometimes read ESGOO as "LESSSGOOOOOO" and get randomly super pumped for no reason?

OMG MY FAVORITE YUTUBER POSTED AGAIN YIPPEE HURRAY, I CANT WAIT FOR THIS HANDSOME KZfaqR TO POST NEXT TIME :)

The goat jumpscares us with a banger

Heck, you barely even need to build around the status requirements in Mirror Dungeons, since plenty of gifts inflict status effects; pick up something cheap like Nixie Divergence or Talisman Bundle (or if you’re luckier, Dust to Dust, Midwinter Nightmare, or Standard-Duty Battery), and that pretty much handles your status needs even with a pure Bleed team.

oh thats great. im new and been using bleed just cuz i like the sound of it (im aware by now its bad, but pm keeps givin me bleed ids, so i was like yeah sure) and they juuust release 2 busted ids that work with my fav debuff besides sinking. i plan on tryin to make a sinking/bleed team.

i will admit that the only reason i got sad with the adjustments was not about the nerfs but what i thought was an intended mechanic of interacting with all their status gifts finally having a use for all the extra gitfs that did nothing in a "build" but alas that was not the intention.

Just have Paper Chairman inflict a "Paid In Exposure" debuff on Ring IDs.

As someone who loves both big numbers and game balance, I think it’s ok that Limbus Company has “broken Ids” With the way IDs are obtained, there isn’t actually a huge barrier to entry with money, you just have to save up shard crates, which isn’t abnormal to have and excess of once you’ve got a team or two. I’ve gone through most of this game without whaling, and really I don’t need to pay at all, and I still have three or four whole teams of good IDs. Character balance is really most important in a live server pvp game, and since Limbus is pve, it’s much less harmful to have overpowered units. It’s a player by player experience, and most of the rewards are granted via strategic success, like defeating the fairies from Walpurgis with X conditional, rather than ooga booga big number. The EX condition is very lenient if you’re on level, and you can just add friends if you’re really in need of an ID

i actually like his guard- being Lust is fantastic for whispers/whistles proccing. Having more meta ids that have lust defense skills that also synergize with one another that are capable of consistently proccing whistles turns a dead turn into a SP restoring turn. I cant see him leaving my team for a long time

19:32 The biggest issue in that scenario is a possible power scaling scenario. Some people in that case can decide to not pull for some of the future IDs just because they are way weaker than these two. That would force PM to create even more broken IDs to bump sales and that can lead to raising game difficulty curve to the levels that are no longer funny to do without new broken IDs. FGO went through something similiar. But its just a possible scenario, not something guaranteed so yea, its hard to exactly predcit it.

[18:08] This, right here, is why I love the Ring IDs from a design perspective. Not only are they strong in general, but they are fantastic additions for NEW AND F2P PLAYERS, who often don't have the IDs/E.G.O to build teams around just one status effect. The Ring IDs are direct support for "hybrid" teams, which a lot of new/F2P players are forced to run for a while.

got the two id first extraction, this vid was very useful

13:36 - She is Rodion ID This moment I really like, not as much as explaining synergies with Ring ID's, as for her cute surprised face appear, when ESGO says "Rodion ID". Dunno why, but I found that cute :3

The Ring with Status Effect team building. The Middle with (Envy) Resonance. The Fingers helping advance team building innovation really paints a bright future in my eyes~ My personal hopes for the Thumb is for them to help flesh out the Ammo mechanics even more, with maybe a bit of Ammo regen. As for the Index, I hope they could lean into the Deployment Order mechanics we've seen with the new EGO gifts or something interesting like that. The Pinky can cook whatever they want tbh, and the Sixth Finger (lead by Star-of-the-City-level, Shin-user Pete) will break the game, no doubt.

I managed to get rusty coin in a team based around the two ring ID’s (no fusion gifts) and Ring Sang did 46% of total damage and ring outis got the second most damage, which of course was not close to Ring Sang but she kept losing clashes due to shitty luck and still managed to keep up thanks to her S2

I saved up 400 shards for sunshower and bought it before this came out. And i got 80 pulls on Walpurgisnacht with no egos and only maid ish and hook hong lu,i think i hear her voice 😭

I think the only really negative thing about the Pointillism IDs being as strong as they are has to do with the original plan for all the Ring IDs, (assuming I read it right through google translate) The idea was to have multiple Ring IDs from different schools who all apply different debuffs, and that by having them work together you could fulfill all of their conditionals, in doing so having the artists work together to create a masterpiece. With it being as easy as it is to complete their conditionals it kind of takes away from that, though I'm sure we will still see it in future ring releases. The translation I was given by google translate: (in brackets is my interpretation of the text) ... the ring finger is somewhat specialized for one keyword depending on the faction, (different factions in the ring would have different debuffs they specialized in) but by assigning multiple keywords at the same time, multiple keywords are ultimately painted on one drawing paper, (by having multiple units with different debuff focuses, they would "paint a picture" together on a target) creating various unique effects in the future, (and in doing so creating effects that would be difficult to find outside of the faction (such as actually using multiple debuffs at once) or perhaps just new debuffs(?)) complete with the effects of several ring finger personalities in the docent maestro personalities. The goal was to do that. (higher level ring IDs such as Docent/Maestro (I'm not caught up on ring lore) would use the effects applied by the other Ring IDs to apply some effect of their own) Uncut text In addition the ring finger is somewhat specialized for one keyword depending on the faction, but by assigning multiple keywords at the same time, multiple keywords are ultimately painted on one drawing paper, creating various unique effects in the future, complete with the effects of several ring finger personalities in the docent maestro personalities. The goal was to do that.

YESSSS EVERYONE WAKE UP NEW ESGOO VID DROPPED

I love the ID, but if they DID want to nerf it, they could pull something funny like introducing an 'unstable' tag until the game accounts for the new state of balance. Basically something 'better' than 3 star that when used in MD actually requires cost to use. After all, it's only slightly unbalanced right now in terms of raw damage output, rather than something so broken you'd never touch anything else like emitter was. It'd be a move very similar to what they did with Yi sang's sunshower by moving it up to WEW and making it cost more resources to get.

I can only imagine how a future "full Ring team" could look, like every Ring ID will have the "Apply random effect" on one of their skills and maybe passive

A+

Fun tip for anyone bringing your ring sang to MD. Load up on "single-coin" ego gifts and watch em fucking slaughter enemies even more with full skill reuse, SIX def level down, etc

Turns out everything's coming up N Faust. Invest today.

It strikes me that getting 11 power skill 1 might end up biting us in the butt, unless they're for really easily achieved skill bonuses. Remember the Ardor Blossom Moth skill check? Came to an unfortunate realisation nobody in my party could perform the check, because the only person in my party with a Wrath S1 was base Ishmael. Who at uptie 4, rolls an 11 max. If they release more skill checks like that, then we'll be pretty quickly screwed over by IDs slowly power creeping on their standard numbers.

14:45 probably been commented already, but duel declarations and vengeance mark both count as negative effects. generally speaking if the text is red for it in-game, it's a negative effect. the pink ribbons status from ishmael's roseate desire passive also counts as negative which could be something if you're running captain ishmael, given that roseate desire itself already inflicts offense level down, paralyze and bleed

the reason why project moon added the ring id is because its ring without the i!

I absolutely love these ID's, especially since they're the ring and that's my favorite finger. I do hope that, if PM isn't satisfied with the ID power of the ring, that they just kinda ignore them when designing future ID's. Glad they're getting left as is. Also, just for the funsies, I'll share my personal team I've been using in MD4 and Erlking test fights (haven't gotten around to RR testing yet). It's very similar to Esgoo's so I'll explain the differences that are there: The two Ring ID's Kraust KK Ryoshu. Her animations are satisfying:>. That aside though, new bleed support means you can actually see her danage conditionals get off the ground, and she inflicts 3 separate debuffs aside from bleed across her kit. Pirate/KK Gregor: These are here for sloth gen and access to Garden of Roses ego, since lust is the bleed sin. KK has more debuffs, but pirate is the better ID so pick your poison Any Rodya (I've been using KK, but Liu Rodya works fine) My team geberates a bit of every sin with the sloth addition and lets KK Ryoshu shine a bit so I've been having fun with it

babe wake up esgoo uploaded a new video

PLEASE give us a rodion 000 before you hire the testers kim

ESGOO is canonically a black cube with the letters "ES" on it.

a mess so beautiful it outdamages Nclair

Here’s something funny. Ninclair actually does have bleed on his skill 2 something I completely never noticed until I noticed that it was proccing the Red Ant for some reason. So while a lot less consistent than Liu Rodiah in burn count I think the Ninclairness makes up for it ^^

I haven’t even tried to use that whole fusion gift thing with them and they are still so goddamn busted

I liked and subscribed, thank you for the video ESGOO from limbus company

So far they’ve been using nclair and W don as a power ceiling to balance strong id’s. They really don’t want to overcreep stronger than those two as they want an intended experience of difficulty for canto’s, so they balance around two things. Players that have most id’s and definently all the strong ones, and new players playing through the canto’s one by one with no break between them. It’s a bit difficult to create an intended experience for both types of players, i mean pm had to nerf canto 6 many times. I would’ve preferred the nerfs, but ringsang is probably the best id for this unfortunate situation to occur on.

All these IDs really showed me is damn they need to playtest these better, which hopefully will improve in the near future considering they're hiring. I can't be too annoyed at them being broken considering they're standard banner, and thus everyone can get them.

A team I've had alot of fun with has been Liu Ishmael, Liu Ryoshu, NClair, NFaust, Ring Outis, & Ring Yisang. Hybrid bleed burn is pretty fun ngl

Gambled on his banner for the bit got ring sang and he changed my team forever

Rcliff with rupture, fragile, bleed: my time to shine

13:05 fun fact: Middle Don's S1 coin 2 bleed infliction text is wrong. It's actually 2 bleed. This means La Creatura inflicts 3/3/3 potency with her skills, which is quite decent.

I mean I guess it’s not the end of the world that chef Gregor got the worst possible treatment with all this bleed count support going around

Got both of them in a single 10 roll, trying to get N Faust now

Huh interesting you and i had fairly different ideas on a team build i went with both ring artists, hook Hong Lu, rosespanner Gregor( granted he is here mostly for suddenly one day as i wanted to get use out of it), sloshing Ishmael( though lccb Ishmael probably the better choice), and N corp Don

devs need more time to test these units, had Dawnclair's SP only tested with full help and now this

I ran Ring Sang, Ring Outis, Kk Ryo, Hook Hong, N Faust and KK Gregor and it works fairly well, it isn't as centered around the ring ids being able to spam their reuse but it is a fairly viable garden of thorns team

I use the Ring IDs in a rupture/tremor team using LCCB ish/ryo and NFaust. Been fun in mirror dungeon normal so far. Will see how it is on hard next week

also, cant wait for the thumb IDs so they can make Ammo a supported archetype more than last cig + bullet outis

Idk, this feels for Walpurgischact to me than dawn Sinclair

this video deserves a B+

With sanguine desire and setting up an “Inifnite” clash loop, you can speed run boss fights very easy and it will just kill itself.

19:48 best explanation I can think of is if you make units too strong it makes it hard to sell others. In a cosmic way power creep and balance needs to exist in gacha especially since limbus is built to ne as pro-low spender as humanly possible meaning that by design the game isn’t going to compete with other gachas by default so they gotta find alternatives to keep making money while still pushing out as good and balanced content possible

Tbh I’m just sad I used all my resources on walpurgus so I have to grind out choice chests in order to get them, and I didn’t even get the egos for walpurgus so that will be more time in the mines to get them

Can't believe you forgot to mention the absolute best synergy with the ring, sunshower heathcliff who has sinking count, rupture, fragile AND paralysis

So after watching I put a varient team together then threw him on my company and realized 4th match flame finally is useable

Just nerf Sang's S2... don't make it roll 38... that's obscene

I usually run The Rings, Phil-Clair for the AOE burn stacks, N Faust, And Kurokumo Ryoshu and Gregor (Torn between him and Hong Lu).

You can kinda see the animation of reuse better with manual coin. Theres aditional dot explosions

I just made a team of Ring sang, N faust, W Ryoshu, Kimssault, Deci Rodion (probably gonna change her for captain Ishmael when I get her), and Ninclair. Which due to all the lust affinity and ring outis’ passive + liu gregor & faust passives make Ninclair gain sanity faster than he can lose it so he can be used non-stop with no fear of corrosion. And besides kim, all of them have a 4 coin skill.

I will NOT stand for Kurokumo Gregor erasure! He inflicts 3 different debuffs not counting bleed on enemies, which helps maintain condition for ring. He unironically became better for me to run in a bleed team with ring members instead of Pirate Gregor just because of this and ngl I don't like Pirate's reliance on crits to inflict bleed. So far the team for them that I thought of is Ring members, KK Gregor and Ryoshu, Hook Lu, Captain Ish. It's very unfortunate that Uptie 4 didn't give better numbers to NFaust, because that 12 rolling skill 3 is just sad to see.

At least in the community im in, it was funny seeing the first reception to the skills being along the lines of "this is so bad", "stupid conditionals people wont bother to apply" and other negative reviews, then the IDs went live and the opinion did a complete 180, never before had we seen so much power applied so easily. I commend PM for trying to make things fun, but holy crap, they didnt playtest them nearly enough, play 2 MDs with random teams, any team, and you will immediatly notice how absolutely OP they are, either in Bleed or raw power.

Declared Duel and Vengeance Mark counts as debuffs btw

One way I think they could make bleed better is to have an ID who can voluntarily drag out a clash by letting most of their coins be broken, in a similar way to Hatsault having to lose a clash to claim bones. Their S3 could be a 5 coin negative skill, intentionally rolling down from high ceiling to a low number, but with every negative coin they lose, their floor gets higher and higher, until eventually they start breaking the enemy's coins instead. Assuming 5 coins on both skills in a clash, that's minimum 9 procs assuming you have the bleed count to support it, with ties just further adding to it. The skill itself doesn't even have to have anything fancy, since most of the effect is just coming from the clashing; it'd definitely deserve a different animation like Harpoon of Obsession though. The issues: Mirror Dungeon would never recover because Wound Clerid exists, and if you can somehow perma-tie a clash with Sanguine Desire active, you just win.

Funny thing, I have a theory about future ring ID's. The gimmick of the Ring appears to be all about negative effects, not just bleed. My guess is different Ring schools have different art styles and focus on a different effect. We may get Ring Cubist students who focus on rupture, for example. The future ID's of this faction will all synergize by applying a ton of random effects to targets, each with their own focus, but all synergizing very well with each other.