@@suechristy363 i If that’s true the Lord is sure taking his time. This has been going on for hundreds of years and so far the church hasn’t learned a thing. When this blows over Mike Bickle will pop up somewhere else all with the support of his worshippers and “Gods Blessing.”

Unfortunately, most of the leaders in the Body are wolves in sheep’s clothing. They aren’t part of the bride, they are wounding the sheep and causing them to fall away. This is the fruit of apostasy not purification. For those who are His, it will ultimately be for their good. For those who aren’t His, it will be His judgement. How so many “Spirit-filled” people (including major leaders) totally lack discernment about these issues and individuals it is mind-boggling. This isn’t refinement but Him vomiting 🤮 people out of His mouth. More to come…

@@maryestes9584 If Mike crawls out from under a rock somewhere, I promise you, I will get involved.

@@kotzting I hope so. These types always have other pastors/faithful followers willing to set them up in ministry somewhere else.

The bride is one rib…

Thank you for sharing this. I can completely relate. I've been out of church for years also.

God bless you sister ❤

💓💔💓 This resonates strongly with me. Of course, I don't share your exact history, but the way you've had to navigate the harmful dysfunction you were exposed to is so relatable. I never stopped loving God or the church, but there is a stigma on those who've had to set such boundaries with the general institutions (I won't say it's necessarily the true Body; God will reveal in his timing). In my case, it has been a relief and joy that He has given back to us some of our formerly scattered community. This gives me real hope for the corporate Church to which it seems you and I both belong. I pray that he glorifies his Name by establishing his Bride in truth, love, and godly fear, which is the beginning of real wisdom ❤ Shalom, friend.

@@cathyulrichify 50 years ago, the same thing happened to me and my family. We met with the Pastor and his wife to talk about our disturbing experiences in church (Many were very similar as the ones described by the women in this podcast.) Why are all of our experiences the same? 50 years apart and in a different town and a different church. I agree it’s systemic..During the meeting we were met with Indignant denial. After the meeting we left the church. We were labeled as heretics and and in rebellion. People were told to stay away from us. And they did. Within 6 months it was exposed that the Pastor had been preying on and having sex with multiple women in the church. We’re we vindicated? No. No one ever came and apologized. We were never Restored. We didn’t get any counseling. We didn’t get to go on a sabbatical at an undisclosed location all expenses paid. We didn’t get to take off work and “Seek the Lord”. We didn’t get offered a position in another church in a “Better part of the Country”. We didn’t get to move up and move on and prosper on the Payroll. We were left in our home town isolated and alone. With no where to go and no one we could go to for help. These pastors and these systems stick together… the roots and the tentacles ore far reaching. 50 years later and now it’s all covered over and labeled as “His Ministry Failure”. We are still not allowed to speak of it as it would be gossip, slander, unforgivness and God Forbid, BITTERNESS on our part. His faithful followers continued on in the church he left behind. They now hold all the positions he and his wife and family did. The legacy continues. The paid vacations, travel, salaries, connections within the body have grown and prospered. Meanwhile many are left outside the camp. Forgotten. Is IHOPKC Special? Unfortunately NO….How can these women’s Stories match so close to yours and mine and thousands of others? Is Mike Bickle some gifted genius able to Trick Thousands of people into blindly following him? Did he Mastermind this all by himself! NO! He’s had a lot of help… He’s a garden variety Narcissist drawn to the same Man Made Machine by his desire to be famous and have power over people. These churches are not churches. Until this is dealt with, there will continue to be thousands of wounded and destroyed Christian’s left to wander by themselves. I wish someone would go after the Lost Sheep.

I'm so sorry this happened to you. Totally understand why you or anyone doesn't want to attend church anymore. We are the Church, menbers of the Body , but it can be so diffocult to find genuine,loving connection and fellowship.. and we get told 'no church is perfect..' It is NOT too much to expect to be treated lovingly and with integrity! Too many abusive leaders in my life as well, and I see them thriving, no matter how they took advantage of people's pain and sensitivity.. I do forgive my former pastors, but trust is another thing. Forgiveness does not equal trust. No church to go at the moment, as I don't want to be treated as invisible and an oddball again. May the Father if all comfort send real fellowship your way, and may He make Himself known to you deeply.

I'm also 74, I had powerful experience with Jesus in 1971, former Catholic, now unchurched, I focus on Jesus and my relationship with him. I've lived this drama more than once, I was declared "Absolom" once. Listening to this is familiar, I had to ask, where is the Love? Does the New Testament instruct us the set aside everything to build a ministry like this. If I wasn't a believer I would think the discussion maybe about a failing family business. I can say one pastor did years later come and apologize. I long for fellowship and love we once had in abundance. I already in the body of Christ, I don't want the join a cult, I not looking for someone to follow, nor do I seek any Dogma. I not a debater, I'm a follower of Jesus. Forgive and move on back to your first love. Seek to live in peace. Can't we keep it simple? Jesus loves you and let the Holy Spirit change their hearts and minds. To this church power abuse say, Not Ok.

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Wow that’s terrible. God bless your friend ❤

It is sad that personal discernment wasn’t cultivated. Pushing people to the point of hurting themselves is not of God.

@@experimentalbaker It’s sad that THESE STORIES are not investigated and restitution and restoration brought to all people destroyed by this place.

It is abuse

A "Prayer Movement" is unscriptural, especially the way that "The Animal House of Prayer" did it. There are so many good things at IHOP that became total idols. With all the emphasis on gifts, where was wisdom, discernment, and intellect? You can not imagine how embarrassing this is in the more general Christian community.

Yes! I've been saying this for over a decade. How do they square these public prayer rooms with Matthew 6:5-6, especially when they are streamed live over the internet? Speaking (babbling) in "tongues" is another golden calf that needs to be smashed.

See 1 Cor.12:2

Finding out that "revival" can be an idol too.

I just started watching this.. You make a great point. I tried to warn people often about several ministries but no one wanted to listen.

@@lizzygerard4373 The ones that were discerning have been long gone. Run off and destroyed by the thousands and these women didn’t care until it happened to them. Sometimes that is the only way you find out. What they do with it now that they “know” will be the test to see if they really care or not. I truly hope they can use their positions, platforms and leadership abilities to help all the ones destroyed who discerned it years before them.

I came here to say this

The ones that have been sounding the alarm and warning are written off as pharisees or legalistic, even though time shows they're always right.

I was there 2000-2009ish and I left because I became aware that the teaching was false and Mike was either a liar or insane. His stories didn’t add up and didn’t align with Scripture. I told my friends. Told my supporters. Lost most of my relationships. But it was God’s mercy. Never looked back.

It’s great to see you, Debra this is Stephanie. Jesus will sift this to the ground. We need to hang on though dumbfounding revelations coming, but we are not amazed by anyone but Jesus.

Yep, completely

Jimmy Evans stated that he left Gateway because leadership was dishonest and toxic.

@@larrybateman1738I missed this. Any articles or videos about it?

It’s essential that you find some faithful believers with whom you can do life. The blessing far outweighs the risk.

It’s a blessing to be alone and set apart for Jesus

I honor all five of you for your tender hearts and devotion to God. This was a superb video

It was certainly good to hear the explanation, but it also felt shady when the (I believe it was 15 videos) were pulled and a prior video on Bickle's allegations had the comments locked in relative (public) silence. I can understand that they may have prioritized explaining to supporters, but this was something that may have been better served getting ahead of the cascade, since the videos had people singing Mike's praises and calling those who spoke against him as "reprehensible".

I guess I don’t understand why they still promote Sam Storms after all that.

People are brainwashed and loyal to the cult. Did this, replaced my former very evil sociopath/psycho-path Pastor with God violating Ten Commandments. Looking to and at the church to be extended family when it was so DYSFUNCTIONAL! I knew that people in IHOP were not reading their Bible and applying their Bible if they were in this cult it was very sad to see same behavior of what left. Wrote a lot of articles out of it, wrote that the church became a tool in the hand of satan to destroy the family, and it did a great job I've never sat in a church that's cared about the people or the families at all or how healthy they were and GROUNDED in Bible!

​@@sneaksyrangerthe videos had to be pulled , Mike predator, liar, a psychopath or a sociopath or both. Mike had been corrected for years by scores of people. It was Mike's own self serving cult. NO Foundations in and on the WORD the BIBLE. People are dead like Jeremiah Candler and Bethany Deaton sacrificed on this lying Molech, Baal cult. If the foundations are destroyed what will the righteous do?

“Disgusting” is the perfect description!

Linda bickle tried to take over Vineyard..

That is an insanely arrogant and self righteous generalization. Does that apply, then, to Mike Bickle? Carl Lentz? Mark Driscoll?

@@deployeddadtv699 It applies to me.

@@deployeddadtv699 wow

..praying that your wounds are healed.... i have had that experience too, I inadvertanlty came against prosperity teaching by seaking out someone who had written books against it. the minister found out and started attacking me from the pulpit...... (1990s) ...funnily enough, when bill johnson came over to the UK in 2019 to do evangelism training i attended to sus him out... i was at the back and a minister on the front row was asked to stand up as they wanted to applaud him... it was that same old minister who is well into Bethel theology... I didnt understand or know about dominion theology back then...

You may want to clarify which "Michael Miller" you are referring to! 😉

@@michaelmiller5024 Oh, you’re right! You have a popular name, and Upper Room Dallas is pastored by a “Michael Miller.” Michael Miller (Remnant Radio), I was letting you know that my pastor (who was neither you nor that Michael Miller) did the very same thing you mentioned in the interview. He had someone else “mow the lawn” for him.

I like how you mentioned the word valid. I had some things I questioned but didn't dig in too deep. I do believe that I had some valid experiences listening to the live stream and my couple of visits there. Makes it all hard for me to process. Sometimes in the middle of the night I would listen to a live stream and the person was praying things that were exactly what I needed during dark times.

In the morning

I hope he is somewhere far far away..

I hope and pray he is in a posture of godly humility, deep healing and purification. 🙏🏼

I love my Greek Orthodox brothers and sisters ❤

@@adamslater1634 The OBLIGATION should be to go out and find the 16 Thousand who got ground up in that machine and Make RESTITUTION to them…SMH

@@maryestes9584 only The Word can do that. There is no restitution for this only restoration through the ministry of reconciliation... Again that's the Word of God.

@@adamslater1634 Then we can all live without the community of believers and these institutions of men and be on our way..ta ta

@@MsKati30 IMO all these “Ministries” like YWAM are stepping stones for people to further their educations, careers and desire to be in ministry themselves. Who wouldn’t? The perks are great! Plus it’s a way to travel and live in other counties paid for by the working stiffs they are trained to fleece to pay for it all. Master Commissions, YWAM etc are all the same thing. Taught to trade their labor for a chance to travel and experience the life of a leader. All while being supported by the working class back at Podunk. The abuses are many in these ministries also. Depending on your rank and position you can be used up and destroyed right along with the Churches they are connected to. Or you could be promoted and rise to the top. Same system. Same results. It just depends on who you talk to.

An apology is nice but no where near restoring the hundreds of innocent people who were ground up in their Celebrity Machine.

Exactly, I remember they were depending ihop right up until this all came out.

@@sarahs.9340 I was there (12-year former staff) during an exodus of sorts of those lifestyles from IHOPKC. I know a staff member who left their spouse to marry another gender, and also a worship leader who embraced that lifestyle and also left IHOP, for instance. And there was a strong “push” by a number of such IHOPpers for IHOP to EMBRACE their lifestyles and make room for it even at IHOPU etc. But IHOPKC, instead, confronted those issues directly in the normative Christian way and those doing that “push” were left to choose to stay in a place with opposing practice and doctrine (to LG..), or to leave. And my impression was that this “push” was a “progressive Christianity” movement gaining strong traction at IHOP amongst some staff, students, and interns, etc, and that IHOP just endeavored to confront it, necessarily. Therefore, MANY of the pro LG.. people left (some very vocal) and were quite offended. Even today, podcasts like that one with “Bent” in the title (I forget) has some of those who left during that time. One of the men who left, who embraces LG now, seemed to indicate his belief that IHOP is wrong in that area and is stifling people and causing hurt. So I wonder if your examples are in that sense, that they were hurt by IHOP effectively “kicking them out” or their not tolerating certain things in that realm about them at that time. Similarly, there was a relatively large contingent of people who left IHOP over IHOP not making room for “Jewish roots” teaching. IHOP openly confronted it and people left, some quite upset and hurt, of course.

Nothing wrong with typing ‘bullshit’ my friend ❤

Healthy churches look like healthy marriages. That's the best way I can say it. There's children born, raised, sent out and they go do the same. Replication, maturation, etc. The opposite also applies.

I am convinced MB is a narcissist (you should read up on it if you aren't familiar with narcissism) and everything he did was intentional and strategic. Ignorance and a Type A personality doesn't make someone set up a system that allows you to prey on girls and young women.

50 years charismatic?? LOL WHY? 🙃

Does healthy individuals exist in these "churches" in leadership ?? Nope! They are not welcome to help to fix the things which are broken

@@lavieenrose5954 Because of the difference between getting saved and joining a social club and being born again and growing in a personal relationship with Jesus. Just read the Bible without all the study guides and devotionals. One will be amazed at how magnificent God really is. It is a journey and sometimes there are some rather large pot holes but the Bible teaches how to navigate the pot holes if one wants to take the time to seek God on the issues that come up. Its a journey, not an event. Blessing to you in Jesus' name.

because julie Roys cant be there 24/7 in person brain washing the people like these women and bickle.

An inner core of very loyal, believing, followers of the "IHOP" ways and teachings.

what that have to do with ABUSE ????

God bless you my friend ❤

Absolutely!! Each one individually! 💯