I love what Rachel said to wrap it up. "In many ways this IS revival--the Body of Christ is not okay with abuse"

I 'm 44 now, and have heard about revival for the last 25 years about revival. Who started all that? it's almost like a goal instead of living the gospel in word and truth. I bowed out of the revival nonsense, and just cleave to Him, and ask what he wants daily.

I was in leadership at a church, 2 people came to me and complained about the pastor blowing up at them. I confronted him and he blew up at me! Yep, left that day. Other folks critized me, and all this is such validation! Yay Jesus! Thanks for sharing your tough stories. You learned and grew, and you still love Jesus. Don't think it a waste, thank Him in all things. Ain't Jesus awesome!

I went through (was asked to leave for "asking questions") a very similar abusive ministry nearly fifty years ago. When the sisters are talking about "trust," I recall in my healing journey that the one I needed to learn to trust most was myself. To trust that God really did put His Spirit in me, that I am really Jesus "sheep" and was hearing His voice. In order to "submit" to leadership, I was constantly suppressing the discernment God was giving me. Now I am often in similar situations, but I trust the red flags and leave. It is sometimes discouraging to see how far this type of abuse has crept into the system; but watching this video reminds me to trust that discernment again.

Charisma being promoted over character. Perfect description of the problems with charismatic churches.

Just leaving IHOPKC staff here (as of a week ago) - just want to say, thank you for telling your stories. In many circles within the staff here, your voices were heard. and Rachel said it really well - "the Body of Christ is not okay with abuse". Long roads ahead looking back on this season and asking the Lord for mercy.

I promise this is a legitimate question. I am not trying to be uncharitable or undermine continuitionism, but does it bother y’all that there was never one prophetic word exposing Bickle as a false teacher? Given all of the prophecy taking place around him, how could no one receive a word that exposed his sin and helped the Church avoid him? I love you my brothers, and I am praying for you all.

One of the statements from the spiritually abusive church is if you don't believe like them, “If you don't get with the vision, you are bringing division.” These sisters are telling the truth.

If you feel like you're not doing enough in the Pastors/leaders eyes, red flag. If spiritual leaders don't want you to question church theology and doctrine through critical thinking, red flag. I still experience this in church today. It's sad.

I was on staff at IHOPKC 2021-22. The biggest takeaway before leaving was the 'Word from the Lord' culture. Many many people seeking Words from the Lord constantly--I'm left thinking, "Dang! Crack open the Bible and take one personally!" We ended up leaving--our aim was becoming holistic well-rounded disciples (trying to love & obey all Jesus commands), and didn't fit into any department.

if more of us dads and moms, grandmas and grandpas, simply pastored our own households more, instead of handing over the spiritual life of our families to paid platformers and pulpiteers, the world might be a much different place xo

I love how Dr. Mike (Hieser) said it, "Im willing to believe anything but I'm skeptical of everything."

The whole ‘culture of honor’ term needs to just go bye bye. It’s been used to make people think questioning or disagreeing with leaders is not acceptable. And surprise, a lot of places that use this term are complicit in spiritual abuse.

In my first year of ihopu, I had a teacher who repeatedly verbally abused a student because of his questions regarding Calvinism. I felt really bad for him, the teacher was unhinged in my opinion. He left after that class and never returned. I have always wondered if Jonathan from South Africa was ok. 💔On the flip side, that same teacher had a really weird obsession with complimenting another male student for his good looks, especially his teeth. It was awkward. I avoided taking classes from that teacher for the rest of my ihopu career out of “offense” and ended up repenting for it and oddly, working for that teacher for years afterwards. Now, looking back, I see how all of this was a manipulation/grooming tactic. You stay silent and support the system, you stay and you receive favor. You ask questions or resist, you get reamed. This leader, I firmly believe, was at the core of grooming people for Mike.

These three women are stunning. I am so grateful for their insights, courage, and humility.

Rachel!! I was in the 2017 OTI fall track and I remember when you and Nathan became directors of the program. I admire your bravery and honesty

Thank you Remnant Radio for pursuing the different aspects of what has happened at IHOPKC. Everyone keys on the sensational aspects, but many more people have been hurt by the other aspects of this.

Great job ladies. Joanna when meeting Bob Jones translated: "Who is this wacky podunk hillbilly that we've built the entire ministry on" haha

We moved to KC in 2009 to be a part of IHOP. After 6 years we had had enough. To much to speak in a chat box… we moved a whole state away 6 years after being there, but our daughter went back to KC to live within the friends and ministry of IHOP after we moved away. She took her own life after being there for one year! We have met MANY that lost their kids after living there and being a part of the ministry/church… This is bigger than just those that were “on staff!!” THIS HAS BEEN HEAVY.

Once you see it, you can’t un-see it. I hope Holy Spirit continues teaching and guiding his church.

These things are definitely spiritual abuse. Unfortunately, I spent too much time at a church like that. I didn't wholly conform, so I had an even worse time at a particular church. May God’s grace be upon anyone affected by spiritual abuse.

I have not been to church for 10 years. I had to work it out with God. I am so glad that Remnant Radio addressed this issue. So many confirmations for me in what i had to deal with in church. Narcissim etc etc. Omg Thank you so much!! I never want to go back to church. I will stay home and love my God.

Hearing about 18, 19 year olds whose only exposure to Christianity is IHOPKC is truly heartbreaking and terrifying. And the culture that encourages them to stay that way is nothing short of cult-like. Do they even hear the Gospel?

I so appreciate how you are honoring these women to get their voices back to share their experiences. So much of what they say is so EXTREMELY telling of the fact that there are MAJOR “cult vibes” that have been going on at IHOPKC all this time. Just wow. I am VERY thankful for this exposure and eyes opening and people getting the opportunity to tell the truth about all the control and manipulation…let’s just call it what it is, it’s witchcraft period. Thank you, guys, for giving the microphone to these courageous women to empower their voices that had been so shut down for too long. Thank you!

I’ve only listened to a little bit of this, but as a former student/staff member I’m relating so well to what I’m hearing from these amazing women. I left home in 2012, moved 1000 miles away, and gave so much of my life to this place. When all was said and done and I left I don’t think anyone said thank you for anything. Dozens of hours spent serving with my musical skills in the prayer room over 6 years and it was like I had never been there. That’s the short version and I know my story is not as tragic as some have shared, but after 6 years of being away from that place it is still a place of contention in my spiritual life. The Lord is good and has compassion on me, but it’s been a rough road. Thank you all for sharing

When I was recovering from my own experience with spiritual abuse in an unrelated ministry, I asked the Lord what do you want to say about all of this? Immediately a scripture reference came to mind that I was unfamiliar with. So I read Jeremiah 23 and saw God's true heart about bad shepherds and about the abused sheep: 'Jeremiah 23. 1 “Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares the LORD. 2 Therefore this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says to the shepherds who tend my people: “Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done,” declares the LORD. 3 “I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. 4 I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the LORD. It was a sober moment for me but also encouraging that God saw what went on and He wasn't OK with it and He was going to make things right.

"Just to live a normal Christian life"... that resonates so strongly with all of us who are reeling from this crisis and currently coming out of ihop! A mundane Christian life is such a privilege.

Yes, it will take some time. Don't be afraid to get professional counseling and talk to other pastors who lead biblically and healthily. May God's grace be with you all!

Thank all three of you for being honest. Prayers for you all, God knows our hearts.

Thanks to the amazing women here, as a former ihop staffer I relate very much to their experiences. You don't know what you don't know, and many of us did not know what we were experiencing was abusive. Thank you for opening up this very important topic, because at the end of the day how we treat people tells us more about our theology than what we say.

So I am type 1 diabetic and I was on a ministry "trip" with a group that was affiliated with IHOP. We had this training where we were taught that we do whatever our leaders say without any questions ever. So we were walking pretty far and I became EXTREMELY hypoglycemic. My blood sugar dropped to 26 (which is life threatening) and the leader would not stop to let me eat something and I have no idea what would have happened if one of the girls (we were in our early 20s) fathers hadn't been there. I cannot remember why he was there but he stopped and helped me. I was then punished later on for something else and I think they got mad at me for that (I had gone to the bathroom in the middle of the night wearing a tank top and we were not allowed to wear tank tops) because they were mad at me for the low blood sugar event.

Rest. Receive. Relax and find joy in that old time religion I tell myself these days. Thank you for holding up Jesus!

I was one of the ones who was resisting the requirement to go to EGS. It was incredibly challenging to make it work as a mom of toddlers at the time. My day started at 8:30 in internships and my littles would be going all day. The all the way to midnight thing, (my team was 10pm) I was just never, ever going to agree to. It felt like I was trying to force my babies to run an iron man triathalon on Fridays and they just needed mama to be present and a meal that wasn’t in the car between meetings.

Double gaslighting - first they gaslight you to think you are the crazy one, then you gislight yourself by guilt, shame, condemnation they are puting into your soul ...horrible experience

It's saddens me that Mike Bickle didn't allow for dialog behind the scenes when I personally heard him say that he welcomed dialog. So sad. Personally, I have been shocked at what has come out about the sexual abuse. I never would have believed it being on staff for 8 1/2 years. Never saw it in Bickle. But, I knew who Jane Doe 1 was, and I knew she wouldn't make that up. I appreciate hearing these women's experiences. Two were on staff the same time I was. Loved their worship sets.

This was so good! Thank you ladies for sharing.

I so appreciate the candid responses to all of your questions at remnant radio. These women are so articulate in their handling and processing of their experiences that it’s been most helpful to your audience. God bless you all!

Really interested to hear more about the weight of abuse from some of the other faces of IHOP as opposed to just Bickle.

That’s the problem is putting any human as authority over you. God is our one and only authority!

Really appreciate these ladies, their transparency, their love for the Lord. Thank you for these conversations.

"Trust" is not the issue: Discernment is the issue. If you cannot discern the light from the dark, you can't trust anyone. And that is not bad. It protects you from trusting evil. Discern, then trust the light and call the dark what it is.

Thanks Remnant Radio for this ❤❤❤ I'm watching and kind of hanging on to every word. These ladies are speaking the truths that I want to shout, but have learned that shouting and making demands aren't the way to bring change, but rather calmly talking and being vulnerable, as a community. I used to be heavily involved in IHOP and Life church but as it got more and more weird, I had to accept something was off and I needed to leave, as most of my friends had, earlier in the scene.

This was so good. Thank you ladies! Great job communicating these dynamics through your stories.

Yall are having a prophetic conference??? Why not have a sackcloth and ashes conference for promoting MB and defending him. The charismatics idolize the "anointing" to point that illmoral, sinful men and women will be praised and obeyed regardless of doctrine and behavior. Aaaand you guys preach that critizing these wolves will make God go against you, "do not touch the Lords anoited", so, yall need to repent of this idol worship and turn to Christ, thee the Anoited One. Cuz yall aint right before God.

Wow. Yeah, all the comments about the prophetic history and having your heart swept up in to all the grandiose promises of all these radical things in contrast to the prospect of just living a normal mundane life in a normal mundane church was absolutely what drew me in to IHOP. I used to say 'I want to be a Forerunner like John the Baptist and Lou Engle' I think back now on all the ridiculous things I just believed without questioning, because they were 'prophetic'. Makes me cringe now.

Its just crazy that a year ago i was watching all the prophetic stories from the interviews you posted with Sam and Mike. I had red flags listening to those stories but felt that since yall were promoting those testimonies, that it put my own guard down to have a responsibility to diecern. Thank you for your attempts to turn this all around.

Thank you,Ladies and Gentlemen 🌹⭐🌹

A future of honor should be towards EVERY HUMAN BEING. That’s what it’s all about.

Thank you so much for the continued exposure of IHOPKC and the systems of abusive and dangerous doctrines. So many layers to this mess.

Brave hearts know, other people have gone through this in smaller churches ⛪️

So good Rachael!

Study your Bible and remember Jesus only was harsh with those who oppressed the people of God,and came to destroy the works of the devil, transparency is everything,

There is some irony here. The theological beliefs between the hosts of this show (and nearly all "evangelical christians") and IHOP/MB are actually razor thin. MB existed as he did because thousands of people (who decided to also raise their kids in the culture. ugh.) sat and listened to him and supported him. Many of which, had no issue being on his payroll and or building their own "ministry" or having MB and his buddies on this show and shows like it. The "christians" crave a good prophecy (to include everyone on this episode/show). MB served them up on a platter and the audience (to include adults) sat there eating up. And, still do. The younger ones who attended IHOP/MB have a real claim to being victimized (and are victims) and being confused and deserve to be heard. However, the adults that moved their families to IHOP/MB and made a decision, as an adult(s) to be there, really are a large part of the problem. Most have moved on to other "churches/ministries", but sadly still believe in the exact same things MB does - they learned nothing. When a man stands on a stage and confidently claims things that are just stupid, looking at a book (the bible) to figure out if he is crazy or not, will not lead you anywhere. For everyone but "christians," it is easy to tell when people are just plain crazy.

1:26:29 Thanks Julie Meyers for transparency also to Joanna and Rachel for honesty

Here in KC listening.

For the record Julie I always felt like you were looking after all of us. Felt so safe on Rizzo’s team with you and Lisa and Anna. The Christmas party at your home. . .some of my favorite memories. You brought so much joy and fun and humor and I loved that you had such a homey home. I think you need to hear that you did better than you think and were more of a mother than you maybe realize ❤️ Don’t be to hard on yourself.

So good Julie!

One of the questions I have now is to what extent are the other houses of prayer that were birthed out of KC are still perpetuating the IHOP disfunction?

Incredible vulnerable women. This breaks my heart! Many similarities to my experience working for life church.

The prophetic history seems creepy. It reminds me of the Message Cult that listens to William Branham’s recordings over and over again

So, it takes a moral failure before you will recognize bad doctrine?

Thank you for this program, it was the most useful and enlightening about this scandal. I believe that the frontality and honesty with which the subject was discussed by all those involved can help many people (myself included) who, to a greater or lesser degree and in other scenarios, were confused, hurt or feel guilty, to better understand what and how it happened and walk a path of grace and recovery with God.

I commend y’all for doing this interview . For shining a light on many shared experiences that I myself wrestled was it me just seeing things with a wrong heart and I came to find out this is very important and essential to Jesus teachings. Learning to discern and spot mistruths has brought a lot of healing to me and renewed my love for the Lord and his truth . I have many friends who attend a church I was a part of that fall into so many similarities in this discussion and many others y’all have done. It’s helped give me language when trying to speak to them to at least be aware of possible deception. The biggest block for me is always the fear of being labeled or precieved a gossiper and bitter . It’s a like a knife to the heart when I just want them to start thinking for themselves and be free like I have felt. But I also try to remember that when your in it it’s so hard to see especially if you benefit from the system in some way. This church has a pastor who has been highly influenced by leaders ihop, bethel , etc. some of the pastors and elders are inexperienced and “honor” the senior leader so it’s bound to not be balanced. The senior pastor has this tag line “ that he didn’t build the church around himself “ BUT it can’t be ignored that his influence is very heavy on tne people making the main decisions. My hope is that with all the scandal that is breaking out it will force churches to reform their policies and rethink their “values”. Like the Pharisees they have a hard time looking at what they have put in my place as it possibly hurting people. They have convinced themselves that God himself told them so any opposition is evil. It’s hard to reason with the delusions at times.

So helpful to hear all this. Thank you ladies for sharing your experiences and wisdom. It was so jarring to go thru this even for me who was a distant follower of the teaching and music and “prophecy”. Thank you Lord for exposing it and I pray that we all are more wise and discerning going forward. I am in my 60’s and felt so naive. I’m still angry at him and his charade was downright creepy.

The manipulation of pure hearted people at ihop was so cruel. So many were out for authority andnpoer over others, and so many literally just wanted to serve God. So disgusting

Being blindsided can certainly feel like a betrayal. Time is short, and we ought to have our eyes wide open.

Thank you Remnant radio , Julie, Rachael, and Joanna for sharing your experiences. I enjoyed seeing you Julie as my wife and I were there from 1983 through the prophetic history and we loved you and Walt and your music. All three of you were so articulate in explaining the spiritual abuse and even though you are going through such inner turmoil you showed no bittenness. Many live under spiritual abuse today but are unaware of it and your stories will help others see it by shining light on it. I was never on staff or leadership but had great experiences and I think in the end all that is being exposed by the light will work together for the good. Although the holes and manipulation of the prophetic history are becoming known I still believe God is going to change the understanding and expression of Christianity in one generation. I believe Mike's empire served a purpose but it had to be brought down by Jesus Himself. Can you imagine a mess the world would be if a worldwide revival broke out and everyone became clones of the IHOP System? I don't think that would be anything like the Kingdom of Heaven we are suppose to be bringing to earth will look like. Blessings to all of you as you navigate your inner world of thoughts, beliefs, and emotions through this season.

Can you explain your accolades of Mike Bickle shared in the series with Sam Storm? In this video, you so clearly point out so many problems that existed in Bickle’s ministry. Seems like a big uturn in discernment.

Conformity is not unity within the body of Christ.

Such a healthy dialogue. Thank you for taking the time to let these people speak and help the Body process. I LOVED Rachel’s comment…what is if this process of exposure, (not just of people, but flawed systems), truth telling, pain, healing and returning to foundational TRUTHS of the Word and character of Jesus, centrality of the Cross, accountability, etc IS part of the beginnings of revival!?!?! Come Lord, have Your way in us.

Josh great monologue at 49mins about Rest and ushering in the second coming etc. Well done bro. We do work for God, reading the Word and prayer which is labouring to enter His rest, and diligently seeking Him, it is the light yoke: BUT: all these extra things at IHOP is abuse. I agree.

After listening to the majority of this video I am sincerely not sure how these accusations account to abuse. These people are really grasping to make claims of abuse. Being told that someone did an excel sheet with the wrong font is not abuse. That is called managing the office work to have it done well. Or having an intern go purchase food for leaders is not abuse. Plus the fact that they were looking to raise up worship leaders and most likely had someone give designated funds to assist these worship leaders in training but they had required standards, this is not abuse. This video is a huge stretch and I feel like @Remnant Radio is lacking in discernment.

Paul taught people to consider not being married rather to commit themselves as good soldiers to Christs imminent return...now a days would that be considered abuse? If some one took that advice and later regretted it? To be clear Paul encouraged people to be good boreans but it could be argued some impressionable people that may have happened? We see even Paul encouraged people to do what he was doing? When maybe that wasn't appropriate for everyone? Would people have thought that they were less than for not choosing to live that way? I think we can't get to a place where we are afraid to cast vision or have opinions as leaders? While encouraging being a borean...but maybe some people are called to a mission for life and others for a tour...we kinda think of military people that keep renewing through a war as a little more comiited than those that opt to do one tour and leave and start a family right? In every war people have direct orders to hold this bridge, ride this boat, fly this plane, many people invaded Normandy, others parachute behind the lines, ithers be spies in France ... We see people argue over their own ordersas the only orders. Most people aren't in central command. Doesn't mean their orders are wrong and every branch of the military thinks they are better than the others.

Julie Meyers song paint your picture is AMAZINGGGGGGG! I’ve listened 1000 times!

True worship is faith fighting despair. The Lord Jesus our redeemer is with you

The culture of honor I know exactly what your talking about and those under them , it is so true , thankyou guys ,woemen for sharing God has so been showing me for almost a year now ,what you all are saying is hitting the nail on the head ,truth, thankyou lord, thankyou for using your people who are victims of this abusive culture of honor ,hiarchy, we're up here ,your down there , don't ask questions or your gossiping, fear based of God and The man of God if you do, when your studying, reading your Bible as The lord leads you in your relationship with Him, He opens your eyes ,the people at I hop kept those young students even new older Christians, trying to play the Holy Spirit ,rather then teaching the word as God commissioned them to do in love, And manipulated those under them to fulfill there vision ,the truth is we are Christ workmanship created for good works He has called us to walk in before we were even born, NOT MANS WORKMANSHIP. all control, NOT JESUS THE TRUE GOOD SHEPARD, CHURCH LEADERS, PASTORS, SERVANTS OF THE LORD, WHO ARE CALLED TO FOLLOW JESUS EXAMPLE ,NOT MANS VISIONS, PROPHECIES ,BUT JESUS CHRIST.

I was there from 85-94. I believe Bob Jones did warn Mike. Once Bob told me that not everyone liked to get a word from him. I asked why and Bob said because he could see their sin. Mike taught over and over about David being a man after God’s heart even though he had murdered and committed adultery. In our minds Mike was a man after God’s heart, too. He wrote a book and everything. We were programmed to never question him. I questioned him to the Lord. Why did Mike allow all these things to happen in his church? Why did he allow John Paul Jackson to silence the women by telling all of us to beware of women with Jezebel spirits. There was such abuse and I took it. We were never allowed to question Mike and always programmed to defend him. I caught myself defending him just 6 months ago. Lord help us all. 3 years ago I made my complaint to the Lord. Why was He allowing Mike to continue to preach this false holiness. Is not the cross enough? Thank you, Julie for sharing. You have spoken my heart and it really helped.

Where is part 2? Maybe it's not published yet

Very brave guys to do this. Bless you Shalom

"When youre in that culture it's really hard to recognize that what you're going through is abuse or not" and everything is gossip, definitely screwed me over socially for years.

I had only visited IHOP and loved the ministry from afar. The awakening that hit in 2009, the power in the worship, etc. were all real fruit of the movement. I think a lot of people that weren't directly involved only saw these types of things and our impressions were that it was only good stuff. In times I visited, I would come across an elitist spirit and I felt like I was looked down upon, and I think part of that came from how IHOP made people feel like they were part of what God was 'really doing' and the 'more important' things on God's agenda. She said at around 19:10 that you 'feel' like something is wrong and I think when we only look for 'false doctrine' or something that feels concrete, we disregard that light feeling of 'something is off.'

This is so vague that it's hard to understand what went sideways. How did they manipulate and control people. Specifics, please.

Just more of God's Love that the office of Apostle and Prophet is not one to be held...His signs and wonders for True Worshippers

I wish so much I couldn't relate - I went to a small church in upstate NY who worshipped IHOP and had its own scandals before Mike's were exposed. I just kept nodding my head yes as I listened to this. We really can ONLY trust in Jesus. Our hindsight is 20/20 for all the red flags we should have seen years ago - but at least we see them now and can save the next generation from enduring the same abuse. I just keep focusing on my kids and how I get them out in enough time so that their relationship with God wouldn't be ruined.

1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 says, "Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business and work with your hands, just as we commanded you, so that you will behave properly toward outsiders and not be in any need

Crazy to not hear the pejorative "religious spirit" thrown around. That said, mad props to everyone who participated in this.

Thank you. This is helpful.

Filled with a bunch narcissists and sociopaths- although that sounds harsh that is exactly what this is describing!

I wonder how many church leadership teams have taken at least an hour to talk about this and find ways to prevent it to occur in their local churches

1:42 - Exactly, yes, yes, and yes.

I left a church after the beginnings of long-sought revival because the pastor decided at the last minute on his own (contrary to our elder's earlier decision) to have me (not an elder or deacon) to take charge of an all-night prayer meeting with BOTH sexes. BUT bringing sleeping bags and pillows and praying on the floor all night in close proximity to the opposite sex - that you are not married to - ' DEFINATELY has 'the appearance of evil' and is NOT OF GOD! So, I fled. BUT without hurt or offense. PLEASE NOTE. God called me to that church. God called me to leave that church. There is obvious manipulation, abuse, the law and shepherding here (and with my church). But sometimes God calls us to the less than perfect situations and churches to learn and grow. Christianity is not always pretty. Many are the casualties that not only give up on church, but on Christ. God can and will keep us. Like Pilgrim, we must continue on and follow His call. Not peer pressure. Not elitism. Not the Law. Not the most spiritually advantageous (at least, from our standpoint). When God says it's time to come out of the fiery furnace, we will not only be set free of what bound us, but even of the SMELL OF THE SMOKE!

From experience elsewhere, musicians are asked to be on time to practice but the leaders show up so late!

Afer 20 minutes there were not one word about what happened, not one specific, concrete example nothing just generalities gestures and signs of being disturbed ans shame.

I was an 18 year old who was indirectly groomed by Mike Bickle as well. Not super comfortable talking about it but it definitely really fked up situation. He never directly harmed me but the system was weird and it all felt like this exclusive club.

Julie you did your best

In general pastors need to QUIT COLLECTING FOLLOWERS and look to invest HEAVILY in discipleship. Collecting followers is just a collection of power which causes MOST trouble in the body of Christ. To change the focus to discipleship will certainly mean far smaller congregations and perhaps most ministers will have to get jobs. That’s ok though, discipleship often challenges the disciple to share in the ministry lift where as followers tend to be more passive in their Christian experience. This concept needs to be talked about more often.

"how unchecked power and a lack of accountability can lead to widespread harm within religious communities" ... sadly and regretfully, the story of much of my involvement with 'church'.

I was happy to work in the accounting office since we were all bad fasters lol

Julie said it best." I just want JESUS" I pray for each of these beautiful ladies and that they will or have done ask Jesus to forgive the predator. This begins healing. So sorry they experienced such horrible pain, suffering and shame. These leaders that held high positions in Church should never be in ministry ever again!

I straight up thought from the title that there was a huge scandal concerning the International House of Pancakes. Was not prepared for this.