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SNES repair - FIELD FLAG FAIL and a whole lotta chip swapping

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TheRetroChannel

TheRetroChannel

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@wimwiddershins
@wimwiddershins 11 ай бұрын
Showing the CPU transplant in real time was good for people who aren't 100% on what to expect when cooking SMD with air. Great stuff mate 👍
@RabidRetroGaming
@RabidRetroGaming 2 ай бұрын
I'm new to soldering, only about 1 year or so doing basic stuff. Seeing this in real time def helps me learn to be more patient instead of stone handed Neanderthal.
@scaleartsg
@scaleartsg 11 ай бұрын
learnt a great deal about soldering from this channel! and troubleshooting too yes more nes/snes retro game console repair vids pls
@davidkroeker1821
@davidkroeker1821 11 ай бұрын
Sorry for all the trouble this board gave you, but this video turned out awesome because of it! I really admire your perseverance. The SNES I fixed just had a bad CPU which luckily was my first guess as consensus seems it's by far the most likely chip to be bad. But, just needing to replace that one chip had me getting discouraged, as I didn't have a parts board and didn't know how to confirm that was definitely the bad chip before buying a parts board via eBay. I'd also never done any hot air work before that project. But, when the board worked fine afterward, I was pumped as well! I hope more information can be confirmed about the Field flag test in the diagnostic cartridge. It would be good if all of those tests were well documented somewhere. Thanks again for a great repair video, and yes, I'd love to see more repair videos on SNES and NES, please.
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 11 ай бұрын
Hell yeah! Congrats on fixing yours, now you need to find some more and fix them. And yes, there will be more SNES repairs coming, no NES ones yet as it seems all of mine just work, how annoying!
@soundsonline796
@soundsonline796 11 ай бұрын
You have more patience than me mate I would have thrown the board after the first ppu. Awesome videos always. Thanks
@andiisyn
@andiisyn 11 ай бұрын
I'm worried about my old computer & retro game stuff. I recently lost (no longer work) 2 rubber key Spectrums & a CRT. Now I'm worried about my SNES!! Thanks! D:
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 11 ай бұрын
Damn that sucks
@LanceHall
@LanceHall 11 ай бұрын
So satisfying to get this old tech working again.
@gabrieldesantelmo
@gabrieldesantelmo 11 ай бұрын
Another amazing video, Mark! Kudos to you and your perseverance with a great sense of humor. There are multiple lessons in this video for most of us to learn. 👏🎉
@wilsvgaddiction4456
@wilsvgaddiction4456 11 ай бұрын
Oh man, I've made it to the bigtime! Thanks for the shout out. I just found your channel a few months ago and enjoy it. No nonsense, all about the repairs! I love it.
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 11 ай бұрын
Cheers mate, and thanks for making your video
@Wenlocktvdx
@Wenlocktvdx 11 ай бұрын
Nice fix. Thankfully the problem with my thrift store NES was a damaged trace on the board. Noticed a bodge wire where someone had cut IRQ and then bridged the cut. They didn’t realise they damaged the next trace. I put in another wire to bridge that and it booted right up.
@JohnGotts
@JohnGotts 11 ай бұрын
By definition the last thing you change will be the fix. Once a device is fixed, you're finished! Nice repair, by the way.
@g4z-kb7ct
@g4z-kb7ct 11 ай бұрын
.....EXCEPT if you change all parts and it still doesn't work ;-)
@ImJCyo
@ImJCyo Ай бұрын
I suppose the good news for me is that I don't need to replace any of these chips. I used a burn in cart on my Super Famicom and it passes all tests. Gonna have to open it up and check on the caps.
@papaschmo1948
@papaschmo1948 3 ай бұрын
I'm just starting out, and this video has been both entertaining and educational! Solid Mario Kart skills by the way ;)
@RetroTechUSA
@RetroTechUSA 11 ай бұрын
Congratulations on getting this fixed. That was a lot. Great video
@xga303
@xga303 11 ай бұрын
That was a very worthy "F*** yeah!" after all of that effort :-) . Well done and thanks for another great video.
@Colin_Ames
@Colin_Ames 11 ай бұрын
You got there in the end. Great video.
@juanpablofajardoramirez1008
@juanpablofajardoramirez1008 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Loved the video and I hope to bring a couple of systems back from death, too
@SidneyCritic
@SidneyCritic 11 ай бұрын
It's hard to say what is harder, ie, changing ICs one by one, or scoping every pin on a working one and comparing it to the faulty one - lol -.
@starsundsternchen802
@starsundsternchen802 11 ай бұрын
Well done. You have nice skills!
@Chriva
@Chriva 11 ай бұрын
The "F yeah" is surprisingly versatile lol
@demianxldc
@demianxldc 7 ай бұрын
The game looks and sounds good, but you see vertical lines that distort what is in place. and he passes all the tests well. which may be?
@nazteeb
@nazteeb 11 ай бұрын
Awesomeness! Thanks.
@LetsPlayKeldeo
@LetsPlayKeldeo 11 ай бұрын
Awesome job !
@Soseman
@Soseman 3 ай бұрын
Interesting, the SNES I have also got problems, but it can run Mega Man X and Mario Kart just fine. The problem is it freezes up the moment it reaches the world map part of Super Mario World. I bought another Super Mario World to test if it was the game, but now both Mario Worlds crash at the same part. :)
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 3 ай бұрын
Interesting. I wonder if it's a CPU fault. I'd highly recommend grabbing a burn in cart, you can get them pretty cheap from AliExpress
@user-xg8rq2jl9x
@user-xg8rq2jl9x 11 ай бұрын
Good job dude you made it ^^
@andriesmannaerts1935
@andriesmannaerts1935 11 ай бұрын
The field flag is pin 36 on PPU2
@ovalteen4404
@ovalteen4404 11 ай бұрын
Both PPUs have a pin labeled "FIELD" and he looked at both with a scope (they are connected electrically, so the field signal was identical as expected). But I have a sneaking suspicion that "field flag" and field pin are 2 different things.
@kwcdata
@kwcdata 11 ай бұрын
Keep up good job
@playstation2bigs
@playstation2bigs 6 ай бұрын
Does the version 2 snes motherboard SNS-CPU-GPM-01/02 Durable than the first version motherboard?
@BocaRetroGames
@BocaRetroGames 11 ай бұрын
Great video
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 11 ай бұрын
Thanks mate
@HeroAbsol92
@HeroAbsol92 2 ай бұрын
Pls help me, I just bought a snes pal eu and as for example when I start DKC it starts as normal with the Rare logo but then poof no image. no image, can't use the controller but I still hear the music.
@Choom2077
@Choom2077 10 ай бұрын
This was awesome. Thank you so much for sharing this very very useful set of videos. Subbed without question.
@kyorin6526
@kyorin6526 11 ай бұрын
F-yeah 😁
@ovalteen4404
@ovalteen4404 11 ай бұрын
Since those FIELD pins only seem to connect to each other, it's apparent that's not what's meant by "FIELD FLAG". I bet it has something to do with HBLANK or VBLANK coming from the PPU to the CPU.
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 11 ай бұрын
Something I edited out was checking those HBLANK and VBLANK pins, along with a few others. They showed 15.7khz and 60hz so I didn't bother going into that. My thoughts are the field flag has something to do with showing progressive or interlaced. The SNES can do both and the 240p test suite is an easy way to swap between them. Unfortunately it wouldn't boot the 240p test suite so I couldn't confirm that. You might have noticed the recent games list on the everdrive is in a different order later in the video from me trying to load up a bunch of different stuff off camera. I haven't been able to confirm it but I'm guessing PPU2 is responsible for switching between 240p and 480i and this is supposed to be reported back to the CPU. If PPU2 doesn't do this as expected or fails to report the correct information back to the CPU, then the field flag has failed to be set.
@ovalteen4404
@ovalteen4404 11 ай бұрын
@@TheRetroChannel So that sounds correct. Well, I looked into the PPU's internal registers from the official docs I found on the Internet Archive and found a software-readable field flag. Since the display output is interlaced, there are 2 fields per frame. The field flag indicates which field it's currently doing -- even lines or odd lines. It's possible that the faulty PPU was only repeating the same frame.
@coyote_den
@coyote_den 11 ай бұрын
PPU2 generates all clocks, syncs, resets, and makes a video signal from the bitplane data. It contains the DAC and palette registers. Encoder effects like transparency are done there. You can see on the schematic that only the data lines from the VRAM go to PPU2, as the control signals from PPU1 tell it what kind of data is on the bus. PPU1 handles object and map generation, VRAM refresh and access by the CPU, and Mode 7 transformation... basically everything that would affect how graphics data comes out VRAM. The CPU also contains the HDMA/DMA engines and I/O ports, along with all memory region and chip select logic. If you're familiar with the Amiga, PPU2 is exactly like Denise and PPU1 is most of Agnus with the rest being in the CPU. As far as troubleshooting goes, when you see pixel-width glitches or clock/sync related stuff (like the FIELD flag) it's gonna be PPU2. The FIELD signal comes from PPU2 and is used by PPU1 to know if it should generate the even or odd field in interlace mode. The field flag is just a bit in a PPU register. The failure is because the test is setting interlace mode (you see the converter lose sync when it does) but it never sees the flag change.
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 11 ай бұрын
@ovalteen4404 Nice work
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 11 ай бұрын
@@coyote_den Thank you for the explanation. That all makes sense and will no doubt help with repairing some of the other ones here
@oOignignoktOo1
@oOignignoktOo1 8 ай бұрын
This was likely a SHVC-CPU 01 board. Those boards are junk and super prone to CPU failure. If you're gonna buy one you should skip that board revision since they're all timebombs and replacement parts require a donor SNES
@playstation2bigs
@playstation2bigs 6 ай бұрын
How about the 2nd generation snes motherboard 1993 SNS-CPU-GPM-01/02 durable ?
@oOignignoktOo1
@oOignignoktOo1 6 ай бұрын
@@playstation2bigs I believe those ones are more reliable in terms of the CPU not dying on them. I had a SHVC-CPU-01 I recapped to try and prolong it's life and after 25 years of service the CPU died on it and I had to landfill it sadly the shell was already brittle and partly broke from age. I still got a SNES jr. that I should RGB amp mod
@playstation2bigs
@playstation2bigs 6 ай бұрын
@@oOignignoktOo1 i also have that 1st gen shvc-cpu-01 japan version from japan. Last year it was working fine, put to storage, this 2024 i fire it up the screen color is dull and wash out then i open it up replace the 6 capacitors near the AV multi out, then power it on to my surprise the screen turns blank or black but there's a game sound. I believe the old capacitor is not the problem but the cpu or the two ppu.
@emerickscott
@emerickscott 25 күн бұрын
where are you getting known working chips from?
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 25 күн бұрын
Other consoles. Repairing these usually requires sacrificing a working console
@75slaine
@75slaine 11 ай бұрын
First try
@Penfold8
@Penfold8 7 ай бұрын
What is that red cart? FXPAK Pro?
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 7 ай бұрын
SD2SNES, but yeah same thing before they had to rename it
@shangrilai1990
@shangrilai1990 11 ай бұрын
🍪
@TheRetroChannel
@TheRetroChannel 11 ай бұрын
🥢♨️🍟
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