These Are The BEST & WORST Midsize SUV's To Buy Right Now

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Best and Worst midsize SUV's you can buy in 2024. We review and compare the best midsize SUVs on the market that have amazing reliability, safety, efficiency, and value. We also share the worst midsized SUVs that you should avoid buying. If you are buying a midsized SUV, make sure to watch this comparison review.
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@Thankyou_3
@Thankyou_3 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video, you just saved many middle class families from stepping into the biggest pitfalls…vehicles are getting so expensive, research is so crucial.
@Doc1855
@Doc1855 3 ай бұрын
Shari, Thanks for another Great review.
@jasmineprymak3020
@jasmineprymak3020 3 ай бұрын
Your videos such as this one sure saves people an unbecessary expenses. Thanks again Shari!
@mpdassche
@mpdassche 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, good info 👍
@tonelocrian
@tonelocrian 3 ай бұрын
Good list here @carhelpcorner not many surprises at all. Would to see your list of top ten EVs in terms of performance vs. range vs. reliability.
@rebeccalahendry
@rebeccalahendry 3 ай бұрын
Great video
@shihababushihab2513
@shihababushihab2513 2 ай бұрын
Excellent Video! How about Hyundai Palisade ?
@rafytejada4693
@rafytejada4693 25 күн бұрын
Nice work Boy
@edgar_ned
@edgar_ned 3 ай бұрын
Great vid
@LuisUrbieta
@LuisUrbieta 3 ай бұрын
Imagine this, we all there's no perfect vehicle with perfect reliability because these are man made & therefore they're never be perfect. Let me put it to y'all this way, if every car, truck or SUV were perfect & had perfect reliability track then, dealerships will not sell these cars & this, these car& SUV manufacturers will lose money.
@Sirvivhor328
@Sirvivhor328 Ай бұрын
Hi, do you research safety recalls prior to making these videos? I believe the Honda Pilot has had a few. Also, although the Grand Highlander looks nice, I think it's too soon to know how reliable it is because it hasn't been around long - do you agree?
@mansooransari9464
@mansooransari9464 3 ай бұрын
Can you please do something on the Armada
@apopisso6302
@apopisso6302 3 ай бұрын
You North Americans classify these as mid size,in Australia they’re classified as HUGE. Our midsize are Honda CRV, RAV4,Audi Q5,Mazda CX5, you guys call them compact.
@obhatti
@obhatti 3 ай бұрын
Especially considering how large these have gotten over the years - the newest CR-V is HUGE compared to something like a CR-V from 15 years ago. I swear it's as big as the first generation Escalade :P
@Raboom1
@Raboom1 22 күн бұрын
We need protection. Have you not seen the craziness that ate our California freeways, traffic and crazy drivers? I don't know about you but I will always drive a mid size SUV for SAFETY and I have the Honda CRV on my list but this time I only want AMERICAN COMPANIES AND MADE IN AMERICA.
@hyakikano7154
@hyakikano7154 2 күн бұрын
​@Raboom1 why? Alot of the american companies such as ford chevy and dodge are alot less reliable and more expensive than something like a honda toyota acura or mazda
@apopisso6302
@apopisso6302 2 күн бұрын
@@hyakikano7154 yep, Tesla gave up on US made, too many problems. No probs once manufacturing moved to China.
@cGoRo
@cGoRo 3 ай бұрын
What do you think about the cadillac XT6 ?
@victormendoza5819
@victormendoza5819 3 ай бұрын
Great video and valuable information. Without being an expert, I completely agree with the choices. For some reasons the best brands are Japanese, which has to do with the culture of honor and pride in doing things with good quality to satisfy customers. The Korean brands have done very good progress but still lagging behind. I have the impression that Kia and Hyundai emphasize attractiveness more than functionality and reliability. The opposite happens for example with a Toyota 4Runner, in my opinion one of the top 5 most reliable vehicles ever made.
@aristonaquino175
@aristonaquino175 3 ай бұрын
mazda all the way!
@cantatanzania6702
@cantatanzania6702 3 ай бұрын
All day every day
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Mazda successfully repositioned its brand from upper mass-market to premium in the last decade, just between the luxury Lexus and the upper mass-market Toyota, so from my point of view it is the best choice of quality/price ratio in some segments (especially in cabrio - I have an amazing Miata ND2 RF, 0 issues, plenty of fun for the last 5 years). Still, I have a Lexus crossover hybrid (Mazda didn't have the hybrid option 4 years ago) and a Suzuki Jimny LCV for offroad, both great cars, 0 issues, not even recalls, just like Mazda. No matter the auto segment, one of the best Japanese producers is the leader in reliability, low TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), durability etc. for that segment. A decade ago or earlier their design was usually boring (like the Germans' one), but recently even that part was very nicely solved, thus there is no logical reason why buying a non-Japanese brand. Unfortunately, there are far too many people falling for some advertising, some show off opulence or small prices etc. The top shmacks are those purchasing Chinese commies' clunkers, including those acquired - like Jaguar, Land Rover, MG etc. but not that dumb as the BEV clunkers' owners.
@brabus3295
@brabus3295 8 күн бұрын
Sat in a Toyota Highlander for the first time and I was disappointed by how cheap it felt. I sat in a Ford Explorer the next day and it felt like higher quality lol.
@islanddon865
@islanddon865 3 ай бұрын
Starting at well under $40kUSD, the Pilot is a GREAT option. But not for the "bling" minded customer. This is a 100% Family Adventure vehicle. Its RESALE VALUE says it all. Rarely did a Pilot find itself on the 30+ days level on any Aging Sheet (Dealer List of all cars on the Dealer's lot, by days unsold") at dealerships l worked at.
@littlestinker9716
@littlestinker9716 3 ай бұрын
Pilot has Honda 's new silky-smooth 10-speed. Passport and Ridgeline have the old ZF 9-speed with clunky dog clutches.
@kevinW826
@kevinW826 3 ай бұрын
The redesigned ones will have the 10 speed
@donaldwilson2620
@donaldwilson2620 3 ай бұрын
My friend has a 2021 Honda Accord Sport 2.0T with the same 10 speed automatic, and it works well. The only negative is the push button shifter that takes getting used to.
@caroleharding9460
@caroleharding9460 3 ай бұрын
I would stay away from the 2023 Honda pilot , it gets absolutely terrible gas mileage in town. 17L/ 100 km in summer and 25L/100km in winter. I took it into the dealership because I thought something was wrong with it. I’m not an aggressive driver and no excessive idling and no pre- warming. They said there was nothing wrong with it. It is supposed to get 12.7L/100km in town.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 2 ай бұрын
best car or truck to haul 2 horses 1000 miles? under 10k? :) considering v8 range rover but... well, the buts. 75 grand bit rich for me mate
@YasminWilson-no3bh
@YasminWilson-no3bh 3 ай бұрын
I’ve got a 2023 Kia Sorento SX Prestige had it since November 2022 and it’s been amazing so far
@geraldguerrero4800
@geraldguerrero4800 3 ай бұрын
24 passport V6 no turbo regular fuel. No frills but smooth and steady 4Runner 16 MPGs downhill. Reliable engine agree Fun factor? Ok
@commentorgeneral
@commentorgeneral 3 ай бұрын
Your thoughts on the Pathfinder?
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner 3 ай бұрын
Good engine but the rest of the car is so so. The Honda Pilot or Toyota Highlander are much better choices for reliability.
@commentorgeneral
@commentorgeneral 3 ай бұрын
@@carhelpcorner but Toyota & Honda charge an arm and a leg for each trim compared to the Pathfinder, plus higher interest rates on Toyota, and both brands are not as reliable as they historically used to be. Value proposition & reliability wise I feel both brands are less well than before compared to some of the others. Both keep their resale value however.
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner 3 ай бұрын
@@commentorgeneral They cost more to buy, but are also worth far more in the long run when you trade or sell. Old Highlanders still cost a fortune, whereas old Pathfinders are worth very little.
@stacib1952
@stacib1952 2 ай бұрын
I think I'm getting the mazda cx50 or lexus rx350
@gerionthewheels
@gerionthewheels 3 ай бұрын
No mention of MDX ??
@carlovanrijk4039
@carlovanrijk4039 3 ай бұрын
I imagine that would be the upscale version of the Honda Pilot.
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately Acura and its parent (Honda) didn't keep up in reliability with Lexus/Toyota, therefore it cannot be in such a top. But, for sure, it is a very good choice for those liking it more than a Lexus (the undisputed leader of luxury cars). Mazda, with its strategy of repositioning its cars from mass-market to premium for a decade already, is probably a better quality/price ratio choice.
@brabus3295
@brabus3295 8 күн бұрын
High maintenance does not equal unreliable. And vice versa.
@gnd111
@gnd111 3 ай бұрын
Lets not assume turbo motors are reliable like CX90 since it is new
@joeschlepp
@joeschlepp 3 ай бұрын
i believe the grand highlander is not a body on frame like the forerunner. not made for roughing it. you are so spot on about land rover run don't walk away from those repair headaches.
@davidcunningham7432
@davidcunningham7432 3 ай бұрын
When evaluating vehicles, one must consider availability. It seems Toyota is still stuck in the middle of the COVID crisis. The wait time for a RAV4 is more than a year and is probably longer with no guarantees of a delivery date. That’s unacceptable and no matter the purported superior quality of Toyota’s fleet, if you can’t get one when you need one, then comparisons are largely moot. We opted for a 2023 Mazda CX-5 6 months ago and are very happy with it. Both local Mazda dealers had the trim level we wanted when we wanted it.
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Mazda, the 3rd most reliable auto brand (I have an amazing Miata ND2 RF, #1 as quality/price, reliability, durability, costs etc. in the cabrio segment) is an excellent choice in many segments (CX-5 included, congratulations!). Still... #1 and #2 in reliability - according to all the last annual surveys from Consumer Reports - are Lexus and Toyota, thus is a real, not a purported quality... Moreover, Toyota has the lowest TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) and the highest mpg with the hybrids plus excellent durability, therefore its cars' quality is undeniable. I don't own any Toyota (I have a hybrid Lexus, the Miata and a Suzuki Jimny), but I managed the expenses of hundreds of compact and average Toyota sedans and crossovers in the companies' fleets I worked for, for many years - and they are pretty famous for the knowledgeable drivers. If there is a good planning for acquiring a new car, then there should be no issue with the longer delivery term from Toyota. But I strongly recommend buying a very well checked (origin, history of an aggressive maintenance/service and checking the recalls - if any -, usual issues with an excellent mechanic, to have had no major accidents - and the small ones, such as scratches, to be well repaired etc.) second hand car (but with only one careful owner, not two or more!), with no more than 80'000 miles on it, because their price is excellent (you pay only half of the MSRP for a 6-years old, but that car will have more than 15 years of life in it). Myself I bought the Lexus and the Jimny with far less than a year of driving and 5'000 miles on them from the previous owners, with an average discount of 27% vs. MRSP! 0 issues in the last 4-5 years with any of my Japanese cars, not even recalls, despite being driven harder than most cars on/off the roads - I will die long before my cars. All it takes is patience (few months) and a lot of research till you find an excellent deal (and even then you can still negotiate a bit, but without aggressivity, but showing respect to the owner and love for that car and its qualities). All the best!
@adnanisovic1218
@adnanisovic1218 8 күн бұрын
Pilot every day every night . Got me my Trailsport and I love it
@AmandeepSinghMaan-sc9kn
@AmandeepSinghMaan-sc9kn 3 ай бұрын
What about Hyundai palisade?
@shihababushihab2513
@shihababushihab2513 2 ай бұрын
The only missed vehicle in the video
@vegetar7886
@vegetar7886 2 ай бұрын
If it's not a Toyota or Honda, I don't buy it.
@manejandoenusa
@manejandoenusa 3 ай бұрын
Dual clutch transmissions from Kia and Hyundai are horrible. My 2022 sorento transmission died at 6k miles. Keep the normal transmission from Telluride or Stinger
@emilionarvaez1415
@emilionarvaez1415 3 ай бұрын
I was making sure my Nissan Rogue wasn't on the not to get list 😅
@johncorman8715
@johncorman8715 3 ай бұрын
I don't think the Rogue is in the midsize category.
@fungidr3520
@fungidr3520 3 ай бұрын
What about ford explorer
@carhelpcorner
@carhelpcorner 3 ай бұрын
Not good. Only 35/100.
@french0103
@french0103 2 ай бұрын
Mazdas have a really nice design
@bruceleeroy8302
@bruceleeroy8302 3 ай бұрын
To sum it up. Stick with Japanese brands
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 3 ай бұрын
As every sensible buyer should know by now...actually, by 20 yrs. ago. The published data have been overwhelming.
@LarryHopper
@LarryHopper 3 ай бұрын
In alphabetical order, Honda, Mazda, Subaru, and Toyota.
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 3 ай бұрын
@@LarryHopper Toyota and perhaps some of the others.
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Depending on the segment, the top Japanese leaders may change. But, overall, the Consumer Reports annual reliability surveys for the last 5 years, taken as a rolling average, are having Lexus, Toyota and Mazda as the top picks. Honda is in the 4th place (nobody with a functional brain can believe that Mini or Bring My Wallet can move suddenly to the 3rd position and ofc getting out the next year), fighting Subaru and Acura etc. In other markets Mitsubishi (with a top plug-in like the Outlander) and Suzuki (with a top off-roader like Jimny) are correctly appreciated. Nissan/Infinity struggled, but hopefully are recovering. The Koreans are better than most Germans (except Porsche - but that is too expensive), but cannot compare with the top Japanese leaders. At the bottom (where the absolute "leaders" are the Chinese commies with their BYD, SAIC etc., including what they acquired from Europe: Land Rover, Jaguar, MG - except Volvo), there are also Mercedes, VW, Chrysler, Jeep, Rivian, Tesla (despite - the apparent only - latest growth) etc. If you really want a reliable, low TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), durable car the only option is a Japanese top car (even their design is now excellent - if you appreciate the discreet style over the show off opulence).
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 3 ай бұрын
@@codincoman9019 Almost 26 yrs with my LS400 which was first recommended to me by a MB Certified Master Tech who was highly regarded in our city. I promptly bought one and have never regretted it.
@ChiefDKxxx
@ChiefDKxxx 3 ай бұрын
Do you recommend the BMW X7 40i?
@MaxMustermann-vy7ur
@MaxMustermann-vy7ur 3 ай бұрын
NO
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Bring My Wallet - no!
@fungidr3520
@fungidr3520 3 ай бұрын
Not after 70k unless u want the Bimmer to be a money pit and get shell shocked by the repair estimate every time u bring it in for a repair. I have friends who are mechanics for BMWs n MB. They did not recommend it unless u either have a lot of money or u can repair it yourself.
@JDMSwervo2001
@JDMSwervo2001 3 ай бұрын
I watched the mechanical review of the CX-90 and it’s definitely something you don’t want to own out of warranty
@LuisUrbieta
@LuisUrbieta 3 ай бұрын
While no cars, trucks or SUV's are perfect or have a perfect track of reliability, I really think that some cars are better than the others but if every car was perfect then, these manufacturers would not sell these vehicles & plus, they would lose a ton of money.
@bigdogpete43
@bigdogpete43 2 ай бұрын
I drove the Lexus RX. Hard seats and slow. I don't consider it comfortable at all.
@michaeljar8939
@michaeljar8939 2 сағат бұрын
This video is hit or miss. For example I would not buy a CX-90 for the long hall. Many engine repairs require engine removal even for non engine invasive repairs that you might assume. What other videos that go into details regarding the mechanics of this vehicle.
@s-man3684
@s-man3684 17 күн бұрын
Chevy Traverse Buick Enclave GMC Acadia???
@joey86bu1
@joey86bu1 3 ай бұрын
Amazing that people still buy some of these horrible brands.
@ofentsemoetlo9805
@ofentsemoetlo9805 3 ай бұрын
Lexus RX500h Sharma.
@sombunkom442
@sombunkom442 3 ай бұрын
Please help me choose between the 4RUNNER or Cybertruck?
@littlestinker9716
@littlestinker9716 3 ай бұрын
You buy 4Runner for reliability and serious off-roading. On the road, it gets terrible mpg and handles like a 1970s land barge.
@TJDST4
@TJDST4 3 ай бұрын
You buy a cybertruck to "make a bold and attention grabbing statement" about yourself. You buy a 4Runner to match the 10 other family haulers in your neighborhood and doing the school run.
@s-man3684
@s-man3684 3 ай бұрын
4 Runner hands down.
@BigBird-ug1ey
@BigBird-ug1ey 3 ай бұрын
4Runner is awful. Simply awful. We sold ours pretty quick. Can’t see the attraction. Very,very bad vehicle
@s-man3684
@s-man3684 3 ай бұрын
@@BigBird-ug1ey Opinions vary.
@SteveMosetiAliyebarikiwa
@SteveMosetiAliyebarikiwa 3 ай бұрын
I think all your suggestions are good but you should always begin with, if you can afford them... With recent pricing going upwards of 10-20k in just last 2 yrs it's safe to say, buy the one your wallet can afford. My opinion.
@axx8326
@axx8326 3 ай бұрын
Honda refined their 3.5V6 and added the 10speed yet kept it belt driven and the interior looks very 2010.Still uses the VCM which is junk. Honda lately is not even in the top 10 most reliable cars. Mazda CX90 has a brand new inline 6 that is now being tested on the first buyers(as usual) , will see that in the years to come how bad/good it is. Also the interior is really cramped compared with the overall size of the car.Toyota changed everything to 2.4L turbo and slapped an electric motor to compensate for power, will need time to see some reports before paying "Toyota reliability" prices which are absurd. The 4 Runner which everyone praises is absolutely a beast and reliable, however one should ask, do I really need a truck that is meant for rock crawling, takes an average 13L /km -17Mpg and is prone to rust more than any other SUV given the body on frame construction . All in all the car landscape has completely changed and I wouldn't rely solely on brand names as much. What was solid 20yrs ago doesn't seem to be the case anymore
@kevinW826
@kevinW826 3 ай бұрын
The timing chains on the cx90 are mounted in the back of the engine between the transmission. If the tensioners and guides fail or the chain starts to slip, that’s going to be a serious problem.
@donaldwilson2620
@donaldwilson2620 3 ай бұрын
​@@kevinW826 The old Saab's were the same way. The longitudinal engine design on the older Saab's had the water pump and timing chain mounted in the back. Fun job-not!
@stevekrause6415
@stevekrause6415 2 ай бұрын
I love my 2024, CX five Mazda
@zydrunasnormaliai6997
@zydrunasnormaliai6997 3 ай бұрын
Lexus Rx
@craigo2142
@craigo2142 3 ай бұрын
Maybe it's the color, but, the Grand Highlander interior looks much better than the RX.
@lilzacheus
@lilzacheus 3 ай бұрын
Team Toyota
@jerzypawlik9445
@jerzypawlik9445 3 ай бұрын
Mazda CX-90 is the best choice. Excellent handling, build, and reliable. Mazda will soon be the best brand before Toyota and Honda.
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Before Honda for sure, but before Toyota is highly debatable, as they are getting the hybrid option from Toyota (that owns about 5% of Mazda shares, similar to Subaru case). Mazda still has the edge in engines/mechanical synergies and in design (Kodo), their cars having a sporty feeling etc. But what is crystal clear is that the Top of the best (as a mix of reliability, low costs, design and durability) cars will continue to belong to Lexus/Toyota, Mazda, Honda/Acura, Subaru. Suzuki, Mitsubishi have also excellent segment leaders and Nissan/Infinity seems to be pulling up from the Renault era. Plenty of choices, only the shmacks will buy non-Japanese cars.
@mohammedalgheryafi7784
@mohammedalgheryafi7784 3 ай бұрын
Toyota Grand Highlander
@MarcHDJ81v
@MarcHDJ81v 3 ай бұрын
The underlying answer to all these videos… don’t be anything other than Japanese brands…
@jisesi
@jisesi 3 ай бұрын
I thought the luxury pick would be x5😅
@khanfauji7
@khanfauji7 2 ай бұрын
Worst suv = Any Land Rover 😂
@silvervuong4135
@silvervuong4135 3 ай бұрын
Mazda is fair enough reliability. It stands above Nissan- Mitsubishi-Subaru, but below Toyota and Honda.
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
I would mostly agree, but Mazda is more reliable than Honda, check the top of the most reliable cars for the last 5 years.
@billyrock8305
@billyrock8305 3 ай бұрын
HONDA CRV HYBRID MAZDA CX70 PHEV Land Rover & Jeep pure 💩 🤮 👎🏼
@DVinCanada
@DVinCanada 3 ай бұрын
Basically Japanese brands all the way I guess. Pretty subjective. LOL. And RX doesn’t even have a 3rd row anymore..😂
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Yep, there are plenty of dumbs that believe that statistics (the reliability and low TCO - Total Cost of Ownership -, durability surveys have only the best Japanese producers at top) are subjective.
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Do you really believe that the statistics (showing the top Japanese brands as the most reliable, having the lowest TCO - Total Cost of Ownership -, most durable etc.) are subjective?!? 🤣
@DVinCanada
@DVinCanada 3 ай бұрын
@@codincoman9019 reliability and cost effective are not the only matrices and do not equal to the best! He could’ve simply said they are the most reliable and cost effective brands you could buy but guess it’s not good for attracting viewers.
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
@@DVinCanada , yep, you are right! It is not good for attracting viewers like you, that cannot comprehend what best means. Maybe for you best means German complicated and expensive tech, Italian show off, Korean or - even better - Chinese cheapness or other stupid parameters, but an indicator such as the resale value does include reliability, costs, mpg, safety etc. Only stupid folks do not care about time spent without car because of a recall, a malfunction, an accident or the money spent for fixing such stuff. The intelligent people will buy Japanese for such simple reasons - thus they are the best.
@DVinCanada
@DVinCanada 3 ай бұрын
@@codincoman9019 living in a bubble I see. Good luck driving an old Toyota with all hard plastic interior and low tech to the grave.
@jayschmahl9206
@jayschmahl9206 14 күн бұрын
What a joke. I worked in a shop. People who own Toyotas or Hondas will never admit to any problems. They could own the biggest POS and say it was the greatest thing around. My brother owned 5 Acuras, and all of them spent more time in the shop than any of my Mopars. He went to work for the Acura dealership and never bought another one after that. I wonder why. No thank you. I'll keep my Jeep and when I am ready, I'll buy another Jeep.
@BigBird-ug1ey
@BigBird-ug1ey 3 ай бұрын
Buddy is sat there recommending and pissing on vehicles. Wonder how many he’s actually OWNED. I’ve owned 5 land rovers. One of the 5, an old 2008 freelander had problems, the others have been amazing. I’ve also owned a highlander, which is a good, but pretty boring family car. The 4 runner we owned was by far the worse. Simple and reliable engine, but no pop, no comfort, very noisy and no fun. All round a pretty crap car. Look at honest reviews, 4 runner offers very little. That’s honest feedback from real owners
@codincoman9019
@codincoman9019 3 ай бұрын
Some didn't find out that Land Rover is at the bottom of reliability, with huge TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), high depreciation etc. Statistics beat your personal experience.
@fungidr3520
@fungidr3520 3 ай бұрын
You’re not comparing apples to apples. 4 runners r much cheaper n not even considered within the likes of LR. We’ve owned LR and can tell u that it was very unreliable and expensive to repair. Plus waiting for parts takes forever. But LR and RV have some of the best n most beautiful designs.
@kinsmen1764
@kinsmen1764 3 ай бұрын
You talk crap about Jeep again, I will stop watching you, all you know is Toyota!!
@fungidr3520
@fungidr3520 3 ай бұрын
The truth hurts sometimes…data is data.
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