These Armies are the Best in the World! Ardacon 2021 Army List Break Down

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Ardacon is the largest and most competitive Middle Earth tournament in the world. It happened a few weekends ago. In this video we break down the top 10 army lists and find out which army truly is the best in Middle Earth.
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@arashh23
@arashh23 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Guys, the scenarios at Ardacon in order were: Lords of Battle, Domination, Control the Battlefield, Destroy the Supplies, Reconnoitre and Assassination
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this!
@louise.4748
@louise.4748 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Love these army reviews
@peejeevermeiren2314
@peejeevermeiren2314 2 жыл бұрын
Hi really nice video! :D I really enjoy watching top peoples armies & strategies. Personally, I like the game most on 800 points. I have a feeling that how lower the points, how more important numbers are. Around 700-800 points, people start to add in a few big things, I think 800 points really balances the game, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. For example: Azog hunter's army has really high numbers, but if you just add in bolg (full equipment) + 2 hunter orcs, you already have 800 points. The same goes for most armies. I think this makes spamming cheap units less effective, since it's hard to engage all 60+ models for example on a board with terrain. Also, this makes other tactics (Magic, archery, cavalry...) more useful tools.
@zakpodo
@zakpodo Жыл бұрын
Sean's my favorite. No doubt in my mind, truly an all around Okay bloke 👍 .
@stillunsure7630
@stillunsure7630 2 жыл бұрын
Try 98 goblin town Goblins at 600pts with Scribe so you need more models when you get reinforcements! 😇
@simwify
@simwify 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid as always Nice to hear from Sean. How come Sean’s not playing in the contest champions league.
@AtomicCards
@AtomicCards 2 жыл бұрын
Believe he's moved to the other side of Australia
@foehammer1172
@foehammer1172 2 жыл бұрын
1st and 2nd drew in the final game, and Nicky's dwarves came up against Jay's Lake-town for Reconnoitre so the dwarves didn't stand a chance.
@smoothbrush4722
@smoothbrush4722 2 жыл бұрын
Great video great armies, weird lake town get 3 teams top, i think those guys are also pros.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was very surprised. Each Lake Town army is very different from each other
@louise.4748
@louise.4748 2 жыл бұрын
Btw @50:00 gulavhar is not the only monster beside shelob! Funnily, mick said in the unexpected podcast that just came out that he said shelob only killed 6 models or so in the 5 games haha
@thomassaxon8254
@thomassaxon8254 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting. Even being in the UK there's definitely much more of a focus on numbers over big heroes or monsters compared to what you see in a lot of batreps or hear about in other places. I'm curious if that's bleed over from WFB having been more popular once upon a time here than elsewhere.
@AtomicCards
@AtomicCards 2 жыл бұрын
Ardacon limits named hero use based on the teams you sign up in. This led to there being less named heroes represented in general because they had to be split across nine players in some cases. Hence jay and Tomaso having very different heroes in their lake town lists
@mr_cozza2293
@mr_cozza2293 2 жыл бұрын
Is any of your merch in the store gonna come back?
@leonk.3739
@leonk.3739 2 жыл бұрын
You could take Bombur with the Survivors of LT list in a green alliance if you took the Champion of Erebor version.
@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179
@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179 7 ай бұрын
Alot of points for just feeding Alfrid
@tedarnoldmoore
@tedarnoldmoore 2 жыл бұрын
One other thing I noticed was there was very little cavalry epically compared to what I've seen at least in the Victorian scene
@aidenduncan3202
@aidenduncan3202 2 жыл бұрын
Australia is known to have generally a very different meta compared to the rest of the world when it comes to 40K and Sigmar, so it does not surprise me we have a very different play style for MESBG
@simwify
@simwify 2 жыл бұрын
The guy in second had unusual heroes because he was in a team with jay so they all had to have different heroes
@SonsOfGondor1
@SonsOfGondor1 2 жыл бұрын
Finally got to the end - quick correction: there are two monsters. Gulavhar, of course, but also Shelob. :-)
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Very true. The comment was more about the lack of monsters. I would have expected to see more than just 2 in the top 10.
@iamlegend0000
@iamlegend0000 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like a lot of these tourny list are favoring more models. When I play 600 pts I generally don't go above 25-30 models bc I like playing with a theme. Like an army led by a hero, but perhaps my lists are never as competitive. Also I'm here in the US so maybe our playstyle is different too.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I completely agree with you I am usually around 25-30. The trend of armies that win over here is middle numbers and relatively cavalry heavy which is very different from the Ardacon lists
@ar-mando1240
@ar-mando1240 2 жыл бұрын
Most important thing at 500 and 600 are numbers, so not suprised by the results of the Ardacon. A list at 600 points under 30 models will really struggle to win anything, normally it is important to be 36 + or in the 40+ models
@horuslv3
@horuslv3 2 жыл бұрын
With that assult on helms deep list can somebody explain why it has so many pikes? Im assuming its just to make all your guys have +2 attacks but seems strange not having any shield guys
@josephrichmond4148
@josephrichmond4148 2 жыл бұрын
With 10 berserkers you are gonna want to try and give them as many supports as possible they have basically replaced his shields
@darklordpresent3442
@darklordpresent3442 2 жыл бұрын
Are the model bases not available on Conquest Creations shop anymore?
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Not anymore unfortunately. I have moved away from the bases and am doing miniatures. In the future there will also be a Conquest Creations terrain line!
@themidnightaristocrat
@themidnightaristocrat 11 ай бұрын
I know this is an old video... do you guys not make infantry STLs anymore? I only see terrain on your store
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! We don't sell these models anymore we are just working on terrain at the moment
@Hoorown
@Hoorown 2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 questions. If a model has a bow and shoots, and then is engaged in combat, will he automatically change to sword and shield to fight? And if a model with 2 handed sword in combat gets a 6 on dice, making it a 5 for using 2 handed sword, can this model use a mite to make it a 6? Or 5 is the maximum value for him? Thanks
@matthewkappos3602
@matthewkappos3602 2 жыл бұрын
At the start of a fight a model can choose any war gear to fight with. However models with a bow and a shield never get the +1 defence for having a shield, although they can still use shielding in a fight. And yes a hero can use might to increase their dice to a 6 when they get the -1 for 2h weapon
@Hoorown
@Hoorown 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewkappos3602 thanks
@lordravenblade
@lordravenblade 2 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine Alfrid is less 'leading a warband' than 'hires himself bodyguards'.
@pWndConan
@pWndConan 2 жыл бұрын
is Ardacon recorded somewhere? would love to see the Battle reports
@davidebasso1102
@davidebasso1102 2 жыл бұрын
It would be amazing
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
I wish it were! It would be great to have some professional filming of it! Maybe that will be a future ambition of Conquest Creations
@AtomicCards
@AtomicCards 2 жыл бұрын
Normally it's recorded on STF, you can see previous years videos on there. We were going to head up but it was my mum's birthday and unfortunately family comes first. They're talking about getting a proper stream with commentators for next year
@leonardobrolli9034
@leonardobrolli9034 2 жыл бұрын
BlackMist is one of the hosts of An Unexpected Podcast (on the DC Hobbit League KZfaq channel)
@leiziru9642
@leiziru9642 2 жыл бұрын
Arrrrrda should contain some Corsair armies
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Arda Unleashed, a big tournament in Australia certainly had a Corsair army! They came first place out of almost 50 players!
@charlienott6619
@charlienott6619 2 жыл бұрын
When is the next contest of champions battle report out
@Jewus19
@Jewus19 2 жыл бұрын
yeah 1 week one battle is a pretty brutal pace for a fan, thirsting for conent^^
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
It'll be out mid next week! In the future the plan is to have weekly battle reports
@charlienott6619
@charlienott6619 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations ok thanks
@AX50K
@AX50K 2 жыл бұрын
Spectre
@Demonarrows1
@Demonarrows1 2 жыл бұрын
surely number of dice is key to MESBG
@alecfowler2261
@alecfowler2261 2 жыл бұрын
The Hobbit armies drove me away from SBG for a long time.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
The Hobbit armies are great. They are really cohesive with the Lord of the Rings armies and there is no real power difference between the Lord of the Rings and armies. I definitely wouldn't be afraid of them
@alecfowler2261
@alecfowler2261 2 жыл бұрын
​@@ConquestCreations I find a lot of them are not immersive in their cohesion. I don't have the Hobbit armies book, so I don't have specifics to support my opinion. Just a lot of different things made me wrinkle my nose when random nobodies from the Hobbit list overshadow and outdo characters and warriors from the LotR, regardless of whether it's 'balanced'. It's probably in part due to having a very different relationship to the Hobbit film than to the LotR. Most of the Hobbit SBG is drawn from the film, hence having crazy stupid trolls with blade-limbs, Alfrid pulling some wizardry completely out of wack with the film character, and Azog being Gothmog on steroids to name a few. Just my opinion, thanks for reading!
@shinypuppy1014
@shinypuppy1014 2 жыл бұрын
2 monsters u had Shelob
@SonsOfGondor1
@SonsOfGondor1 2 жыл бұрын
I think the 5th place list could take Bombur from Erebor Reclaimed to do the Alfrid/Bombur thing . . .
@EntmootVideos
@EntmootVideos 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting analysis but I think you fall into the trap of assuming Lists make a difference. Player skill is the number one factor here. Most of the top ten players are consistent tournament winners. In fact I don't think any of them have never podiumed before and it includes two Warhammer World Grand Tournament winners, Two Ardacon Winners, and three who have won some of the Great British Hobbit League's most competitive players. Also Jay has played Lake Town for years, and has won consistently with it for years - it's always been considered very strong in the UK (3 out of top 5 players playing it is a giveaway!).
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree with you more. We should have spoken more about how the list is very secondary to the skill of a player. I think Sean, Josh and I believe that so heavily that we thought it was a given and didn't discuss it. If we do future video's like this one we will talk about player skill a lot more. Thanks for the comment Harry!
@EntmootVideos
@EntmootVideos 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations no worries man! I don’t mean to be nit picky, but I do think it’s worth flagging especially for new players. You touched on how tough LakeTown is to use but it could be emphasised more!
@scatterthewinds3126
@scatterthewinds3126 2 жыл бұрын
laketown op
@nameisbad
@nameisbad 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah coming from other genres, I hate the whole points system, there's only one system that makes sense to me if you want to be a truly competitive system: Bracket system with a winner and losers side, to explain it simply: Two losses and you are out. (First loss takes you into losers bracket, second loss means you are out of the tournament). when two people left, the winner of winners bracket goes against the winner of losers bracket. Winner of winners bracket needs to win once. winner of Losers bracket needs to win twice.
@GrimDan1789
@GrimDan1789 2 жыл бұрын
I still can't believe you shill alt models but try to promote the actual game. If you love MESBG, promote the actual models.
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