Bro Ash needs to be banned, it changes deckbuilding more than Maxx "C"

@@Greg501- so does Nibiru, Halq, Accesscode, and Apollousa. Deck building in its current state is too reliant on disruption and summoning a board of negates.

@@zdelrod829 yes, true

Halq needs to go

Halq isnt banned so it wouldnt make sense to mention it. "THESE POWERFUL YU-GI-OH CARDS WERE LEGAL FOR WAY TOO LONG" This means that the card needs to actually get banned one day.

because everyone already knows and collectively hates it to the point where mentioning it should be banned would just be saying whats already been said

Bro I was 1 out of 27 people listing halq

Some people did mention it, these edits only cover a small portion of each thread

Konomi? More like Konomorefun

It’s never once happened to me, there are far worse and prominent cards Edit: don’t attack me if this is a joke I’ve only been playing for 3-4 months

What made it worse was the fact that hitting it wouldn't have affected Infernoble's playability at all. The deck still would have been good

I wonder if smoke grenade was unbanned would infernobles become tier 2 or would charles just be put in random decks? Also why is charles generic?

@@U1TR4F0RCE with out Halqdon Infernoble isn't very good. Charles might see play in Synchro deck if Smoke Grenade comes back, but Infernobles as a deck likely won't. Though it's probably best if we leave it banned

To be fair fur hire was designed to be a duel links archetype and was extremely good in that limited format for a really long time

It's like meta decks are designed by drunk ppl

Not exactly as deck, but Garura comes to mind as the most recent example.

Konami has become very blatant with power creep these last few years. Even newer players can see how bad the power creep us by just playing two metas back to back. It has gotten to the point where decks are getting power crept within a year of being released.

Waifuists keep winning, Furries in the mud

Alright so I've figured out how to fix the game, first we ban all the tuners

@@ashikjaman1940 and then we ban all the materials for fusion monsters

@@glassofgas8631 And then we ban all the fusion spell cards

@@halodragonmaster and then we print a new link monster that ignores those 2 previous bans

Halq as far as I know was busted day one, but Verte was a little interesting in that it was sort of a Snake Rain situation; everyone could tell it had the capacity to be busted, all it would need was the right fusion monster to be summonable off a suitably 'summon from deck'-capable spell. There were definitely playable options for it, but it wasn't all that exceptional before REDD and then DPE rocked up.

probably because it's legal now did it fly under the radar

Probably because DAD was never fully banned. Putting it to 1 was enough to reign it in

Ehh dark armed dragon has not aged well... like in teledad its arguable whether or not to even play dad as he clogs hands and you'd rather just make more goyo Also tbf the exodus of players around that time was less an issue of banlist and more 08-09 "global market issues" and ude scandal fallout

Yeah, him and Cyber Dragon were far worse than Firewall Dragon. Back to then everybody would blind second and whoever went first would usually pass on zero monsters SOLELY to the avoid CyDra. And because Cyber End Dragon needed 3 and was a pushed anime card, it stayed untouched until 5Ds.

@@mattr791 I think that Dark Armed Dragon is still an absolute beast of a boss monster, even compared to modern cards. Plus, it's level 7, which gives you access to some of the strongest plays in the game, from synchro summoning to XYZ, to even link summoning BLS. The reason it hasn't aged well is because of the summoning condition. It's actually so easy to fill up the graveyard now that having exactly 3 dark monsters in the graveyard is actually really hard to do. You're either going to have 1-2 dark monsters, or your entire deck will be in the graveyard.

Konami likes keeping floodgates that don’t shit off the very cards that out them or prevent from completely playing for as long as possible.

Imagine how much chaos it could cause in the modern format...

@@zdelrod829 I would actually like to see it done for just a single middling tournament or something. A lot of the decks that would want 7 extra free summons are also pretty tight in extra deck space. It would be interesting to see.

@@HaydenX I think it would need an errata before being legal. Such as a clause where you cannot use the special summoned monsters for Xyz, Link or Synchro material, because there are generic Rank 6 monsters that can be brought out for 2-3k life points, such as "Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal" (Which could allow BA's to perform a bit better), "Pilgrim Reaper" (a ?/? Rank 6 DARK Zombie which gains 200 atk for each dark monster in both graves, which isn't hard to set up with decks like Danger-Darkworld). I think the main reason it would need an errata is because it is *too* versatile, and can be used almost infinitely with some hilarious loops, like the infamous DuelingBook Mooyan Curry liop.

@@zdelrod829 just restrict the player to fusions only for the turn. And also prevent the opponent from taking effect damage just to ensure the card absolutely can't ever FTK anybody else ever again.

@@joanaguayoplanell4912 You can pay 1000 LP; Special Summon 1 Level 6 or lower Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, but it cannot attack directly, also return it to the Extra Deck during the End Phase. You cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck the turn you activate this effect, except Fusion Monsters, also your opponent takes no effect damage for the rest of this turn

might not be good fight now but can very easily be a 3 of in future decks. you just don't want too many generic consistency tools around

MBT kinda touches on it but upstart gets pushed out of the meta when you need to see handtraps turn 0 because you don't actually play a 37 card deck and that upstart is dead in your hand until your turn.

Yet ocg can get 3 of this and chicken game and see like no play at all.

@@jtalkalot19 thats what you call maxx c

@@jtalkalot19 ocg players have a different mentality.

Trishula is at 3

I agree. Have it read cannot be used as Link Material would be a good errata.

No. The only time Level Eater was ever used was for degenerate combos with Synchro spam, which ended on 6 Quasers. Even playing Maxx C wasn't enough because they could just deck you out, very easily. I don't know why it took until Link Spam for people to realise the card was busted because it was just always like that.

Actually, it was banned all the way back in 2016 in the ocg for Dark Synchro Spam for hand looping. Before links were even considered. Limiting it to synchros will not stop people from abusing it.

@@archivist469 different time, omega is at 1, norden is banned when we used to abuse it with synchro fusionist, hand traps weren't even busted back then like now, and we have cards now like dark ruler, droplets, nib, etc etc etc.. A errata would easily fix this problem.. Only deck that would "abuse it" would be synchrons

That's usually the argument. The counter-argument is that Firewall only appeared in 16 episodes, compared to Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon, who appeared in just about every episode. A similar argument was also given to Ancient Fairy Dragon.

They should have pushed Decode Talker more tbh

That’s legit the reason. Banning a card that appears prominantly in your opening while the series is still going is a no. There is a reason they never banned Black Rose Dragon…

Konami of Japan wouldn't let it happen because of that reason.

It's so funny that at worst it's just a free link-3 on its own so it just fits in pretty much every deck. Who thought a generic specialsummon from deck was fine? The card has gotten like 6 other cards banned at this point. How is it still legal in the TCG?

@@maltenuchter7134 the thing is that second effect is so absurdly good too like set up clapback with shooting riser, trigger scythe or pop opponents spell with T.G. (who also draws if he gets destroyed), draw a card with formula whatever the fuck you want on your opponents turn with the ability to make another interrupt as well. Same with auroradon like did it really need the trap recursion third effect as well? I get one effect on a card being busted but when there is 3 it has to be intentional. tbf all those cards would be fine and cool support if they archetype locked you in ANY way

I love calling "rogue decks" that pretty much just shit it out Halq Turbo lol

@@maltenuchter7134 Also is not only a link 3 but if u play effect veiler + selene is a accescode with 5300 and 2 pops (3 if u sacrifice him)

Adamancipator and Synchro Eldlich both abused Halq and Kross, but to deny the differences between them is _astoundingly_ ignorant.

Tbh i always found the engines that used the adventure engine more problematic than the engine itself.

@@shawnjavery the engine itself is what enabled those decks to be problematic Prank kids with 1 meow meow mu weren't doing anything until adventurer came out Same for cyberse eldlich Based was created because of the adventurer engine

Rip Prank-Kids, the archetype died for Enchantress' sins

It really is just banning gryphon rider that needs to happen for the engine to be healthy, and later on if the extenders prove to be too powerful you limit rite (and just rite), a generic extender engine that increases the ceiling for trading off the value of an important resource is actually pretty cool imo. Just. Called by the grave and adjacent cards are toxic af

@@greenhillmario they also have illigel knight who just bounces two, but they get the card then. Still worse the gryphon but still a good enginge even after a gryphon ban

"Drawing the out" argument became valid with Maxx C since you would draw the out for current opponent's turn or your next turn anyway

I was in the same camp a few years ago during master rule 3, before links. The best board u could make was Crystal wing or infinity pass, :9 your opponent would draw about 5 cards at most, or if u just passed to them they weren’t gonna drop a nuke on u if u had an empty board or no hand traps. Now it’s just ridiculous when they 15 cards, drop veiler or imperm and wipe your whole board with nib then proceed to accesscode OTK u next turn.

Sure I can change your mind. It’s a Best of 1. Without Maxx C or a way to draw the outs whoever goes first if they are playing even remotely good wins. People complain about hand traps all the time but without them you would always lose

@@mrbubbles6468 I have games where I Maxx C my opponent with 5 interruptions on my board so, no

@@mrbubbles6468 there's plenty of other cards that only fulfil that purpose. You dont realize that the guy going first can also have Maxx C on your turn PLUS the board they already set up with 3+ negates. There are enough cards people run to not get blown out going 2nd such as Imperm, Veiler, DRNM, and Evenly to name a few. And those cards don't decide games like Maxx C.

Dragoon is not a towers

Dragoon never really saw competitve play in the tcg, there was some experimentation when he came out but that's about it

Dragoon never saw play in the TCG. It’s why people started saying Verye was not a problem. Because the reason people said it needed to be banned was not seeing any play. It was only when DPE came out it became an issue. Dragoon was never an issue. People just don’t like having to build their deck to factor in their opponant.

The OCG has all 3 versions of it banned and the format is still shit.

we are no longer caught in the Mystic Mine

And by the time you draw your out they draw the out to your out.

Yeah I'd rather lose in 1 turn because I didn't draw DRNM/Forbidden Droplet or enough 1 card starters to play past 3-5 negates.

@@EinSilverRose Fun fact: you're less likely to draw those cards if you have to main backrow removal because you also have to worry about Mine. So this argument doesn't even make sense at face value.

@@EinSilverRose Honestly, I prefer this over mine every day/year/hour/second/decade of my existence.

@@EinSilverRose yes

Well, tbf TOSS all in all was a really good format. It was around for too long, I agree, but I also understand that Konami didn't want to end a format that was diverse, pretty balanced and allowed some kind of budget access to it

@@philippmeier3363 Yea. Seriously, I fucking miss this format

Those decks weren’t played at the time. The card saw zero play in anything until buijins. It’s still legal in the ocg at 3 and no one plays it.

Should have*

Kozmo

You were.

I guess this is how as a TCG developer you get your players to constantly talk about the game and purchase more product. Have dumb cards make players argue about its impact on the meta ad nauseum. Intentionally or not lmao.

The Mystic Mine defense team is so stupid that it's not even worth the time arguing against them. Anyone who actually plays competitively agrees that Mine should be banned, but a lot of casuals stick to their "I don't like combo decks, therefore mystic mine is fair" take

@@ryanhall5360 as a casual we hate it too.

@@johndoe9343 The fact that this comment came out early with this many likes is the only reason there aren't x3 more Mine supporters below me. Go to any other video that says ban Mine; "argue" is an understatement.

It's the only way those smooth brains are able to play yugioh, give a mine player any other deck that requires some sort of thinking and they'll have a brain aneurysm

That wasn't chat. Looks like it was just Dire spamming.

​@@Andy_ARBScommon dire L

See: any sealed format where it exists

Wdym it's "cancer in a vacuum"? Not only that, it's also cancer in practice. Non-once per turn, non-once per chain, non-destruction board wipe, btw. Oh, and it also can refill it's materials because fuck it, why not.

Ultimate baseball kid just chilling because there are no good fire combo decks to abuse him with.

yo i forgot about the baseball kid lol, one day he'll do something stupid and Payne96 will be happy

You don’t want it. Then the winner is whoever goes first.

@@mrbubbles6468 I realized this after building go second Kaijus. I watched as my opponent's hand refilled itself as I broke their board and realized the error of my ways

You could play floo if you don't mind being disliked by like 80% of the player base.

Until aruradon is in the game, Maxx c is a necessary evil

Not a relevant deck but Magical musketeers run them, being able to +1 and choose what you need with their effs and drawing a card is so good

card's ur💀 also conflicts with prosperity and handtraps

I remember when a friend of mine freaked out when Cannon Soldier was announced to be in the Rush Duel format, claiming the infinite Normal Summons would break it sideways. He quickly calmed down when I reminded him that Rush Duel format is also one where all effects are Hard OPTs.

It definitely feels less bad when, after being Maxx "C"'d, you can then set a monster and a backrow or two and likely won't outright die on the next turn. Because modern deckbuilding philosophies call for ride-or-die starter monsters and little to no backrow in favor of outrageous combos, giving your opponent a free turn is now a death sentence, when that wasn't necessarily always the case.

@@sallas09 Other way around. It’s the fact that giving your opponent a free turn is a death sentence that leads to people building decks around extended combos, and the unreliability of backrow going second that leads to people forgoing it.

Maxx "C" in HAT could've been a little punishing. Like taking the maxx c challenge and having your opponent draw his remaining hands thus stopping the little hand loop.

If anything, it makes the degenerate plant spam deck not busted so I appreciate it making the game fairer.

In old yugioh it wasn’t winning you the game. That reversal quiz ftk that people play in goat was not popular. Giant trunade wasn’t dealing with the problems the way destruction was, so no one played it.

it's way too broken now, but basically saw no play until it got banned when it got used in that Psy omega handloop deck, and even then there were better decks

Ward

Verte falls into a category I like to call "Future Creative Limiters", where it's effect is so potent you can't have creative freedom in making future cards without them being unintentionally broken. This exact reasoning is why Tellarknight Ptolemaeus was banned, because if it were still around, every non-Number Rank 5 would have to be created in a way where it can't be abused by the wrong cards.

​@@mystikx2205 honestly with power creep being so prevelant and yugioh having such a large card base its less of future creative limiters its more new cards that create OP situations or older cards being viable from the new cards, e.g. hand of the smoke grenade doing nothing until infernobles and Verte doing 'basically' nothing until more "shaddoll" fusion cards being released

Everyone would just be spamming volcanics...

@@chrispambo1539 I know but I want a hazy flame supports

@sugar smile And I want the rest of the DARKNESS archetype...

I still remember how upperdeck decided to limit book of taiyou instead of banning cyber jar.

I mean this was during pote. Breakers did more as he said to draw into a dark ruler and was a thing people liked

They play some kind of deck that loses to one interruption, like Fur hire or Madolche

Oh and verte, verte, despite being a very recent example. Was a problem ever since DRAGOON came out, and low key before it came out with rainbow neos and neos fusion

Also also halq, people have been clamoring for its death since it got revealed in the ocg. People were literally saying they hope its emergency banned the moment it comes to the tcg. Grass was also incredibly contentious. Despite never being format warping, gem knights. People hated gem knight ftk with a passion and it was low key always at least alittle good. Also striker, people hated that deck and it lives to this very day due to the engage unban

Shees boi, you clearly didnt play during frog ftk format, or cyberstein otk or magical scientist ftk or infernity format or .... did you even play this game before this year?

@@eldavid8774 From 2010 till Link then 2018 to now. And I have never seen the game have every deck be like this. Not just 2 or 3 top decks.

I think it was mentioned, but MBT just didn't include it in the video. You can see something about Sky Strikers below the post about Treacherous Trap Hole

The List would be so much cleaner if we followed that rule.

Grinder Golem was released back in the GX era. At the time there wasn't much you could do with it besides gimmick strategies involving inferno tempest.

I mean you say links but it now only needs one level 8 synchro to get 4 activations. And there is a certain synchro dragon that would love that card

@@geiseric222 yes but it was completely fine for the longest time it was legal and got swiftly banned when it became a problem.