These Will Save You HOURS of Editing: Tentacle Sync Workflow
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Күн бұрынIf you have multiple cameras, timecode is a life saver!
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00:00 Tentacle Sync Time Code Introduction
00: 11 Audio Timecode vs File Timecode
00:26 My Timecode Workflow Overview
00:35 Download the App vs Syncing Manually
01:08 App Setup
01:18 Connecting Sony FX3/FX30 to Tentacle Sync Track E
01:54 Connecting the Sony FX6 to Tentacle Sync Track E
02:11 Sony FX3 and FX30 Timecode Setup
02:52 Sony FX6 Timecode Setup
03:24 This Took Forever
03:34 Connecting the Tentacle Sync Track E Lav
03:56 A Quick Heads Up About Naming
04:20 Why I Like the Track E
04:35 Syncing The Timecode
05:18 Sync E and Track E While Filming
05:43 Tentacle Studio: Syncing & XML
07:00 Importing Timecode XML to Premiere Pro
07:12 Turning the Sync E/Track E Off Mid-shoot
07:42 Audio or File/Metadata Timecode?
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@MayerAd 8 ай бұрын
Keith, this is excellent. Thank you so much.
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! 🙌
@vividmotion66 22 күн бұрын
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
@rippinglipsadventures 4 ай бұрын
Tentacle audio timecode has been working well with my GoPro Hero 9s, a Sony FDRx3000, and 3 Track E's for my fishing videos. I really enjoy making a full day of fishing with multiple devices and the audio files all syncing perfectly. It's only failed me a couple of times in years and it was probably user error more than anything. I even use a shotgun mic connected to a Track E for people who don't like to wear a lav mic while fishing.
@JoePenaProductions 8 ай бұрын
What an excellent breakdown of your workflow. The tips about manual vs app-based sync where helpful. The kind of details that could really help a project to flow smoothly in the edit. Well done.
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
Thank you can glad it was helpful! The app sync was something I was skeptical about until I tried it myself, it's much faster and easier
@owenacevedolara8850 6 ай бұрын
Great video. This is the type of content and quality that I would be willing to pay for! Thank you!
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you for the kind words! Appreciate it!
@frederikvillum 4 ай бұрын
Such a well explained video - seen a lot of this on KZfaq. Nothing compares to how well this is explained. Thank you for an very easy understanding video
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful and thanks for the kind words! Appreciate the feedback
@reecemaurice 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this tutorial, Keith. You've answered all the questions I had about the Tentacle Sync. 🐙 I have the same setup and wanted to know which timecode to buy. SOLD! 👏🏾
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful - it’s saved me so much time when editing!
@danbrockettDOP 8 ай бұрын
Preach Keith! I've been using my four Tentacles for about two years now and they have made my production life sooooo much more efficient and simple. Absolutely love them, one of my most useful and important accessories. I feed one of mine into my V1 SD Mix Pre 3 that can read TC but doesn't have a TC generator like the V2 versions. The Deity TC-1s are similar but I have had the Tentacles for years and they work great.
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
After getting a few cameras rolling at once, timecode has saved me so much editing time! Assembly is my most dreaded part of post production and this takes care of it completely. How do you like your mix pre 3? I've been wanting to get a more "field-ready" audio kit/bag together and I was thinking about getting that one. Looks like it fits in an audio bag perfectly. I'm using the tascam x8 in the studio settings, which is great, but for putting in an audio bag the form factor isn't quite right. I need an ultra sync blue to get timecode to my X8
@danbrockettDOP 8 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel I absolutely love my Mix Pre 3. The Sound Devices Mix Pre recorders are the perfect tool for video people who need to record their own audio and aren't always given the budget to hire a pro sound mixer. The MKII versions are even better. I would suggest getting the Mix Pre 6 or even the 10 II over the 3 though. Three is fine for single camera, single subject. But once you go to multiple talent on camera, you need more channels. Audio pros need the more powerful SD mixer recorders but the Mix Pres are very capable and high quality but relatively simple and easy to figure out for video people without a sound background.
@fossmountainfilm 5 ай бұрын
Great video. To the point and well done. Thanks and Subbed!
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
Thank you and appreciate the support! 🙌
@thesh_mikey 2 ай бұрын
This is by far one of the best explanation videos of how to get Sony's up and running with Tentacle Sync man. Thanks for going through the trenches.
@keith-knittel 2 ай бұрын
Had to figure this stuff out when I first got them, figured it would be good to show the process. Glad it was helpful and thanks for the kind words!
@thesh_mikey 2 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel it was, thank you! I built the studio space and have been just syncing in post with a clap track, which has worked for a controlled environment, but with looking at shooting a doc style projects soon, this was very helpful to understand it all. I shoot with 3 A7s3's and this will be the win for now! Thanks again man!
@mattliller 6 ай бұрын
Great video! You hinted at it very briefly at the end, but if using the Sony adapter for FX3/FX30, can you still use a shotgun mic in the 3.5mm port or use the audio top handle for scratch/backup audio while using the Sync E? I've watched a number of vids but still not sure about this.
@Abelgiandop 8 ай бұрын
What a great timing! Have them with me as well to test for a Series I’m shooting soon!
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
Awesome!! They’re total life savers! I can’t go back to shooting multi cameras/mics without them
@zariamultimedia 6 ай бұрын
Wow, I literally just paid about $150 for cables to use my two new Tentacle Sync's with my two Sony FX3's and now you show me that there is a cheaper cable and only requires one cable and not two bulky stupid cables flopping all over the place?! Oh, I am so hot right now, anyway, lucky for me I am still in my return window with B&H, I literally just paused this video and processed my return and also ordered two of these cheaper cables with overnight shipping! Thank you so much for this Keith, you get an automatic SUBSCRIBE for that man! 🙏 What else you got? LOL
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
LOVE to hear that!! Glad to help and if you have any other video ideas for me - let me know! Ha Thanks for the support 👍
@zariamultimedia 6 ай бұрын
Heres an idea, I also have both the FX6 and the FX3. I got hired to shoot an event recently and the person editing the footage claims they don't match well, stating that the colors are off. I don't see it? Can you do a video comparing log footage straight out out of camera from both and what you think about it and if they are off is there a quick fix or a lut or plug in tool that will match them up quick? 🤔
@codychoe 4 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittelwill this cable work with deity tc-1 as well?
@keith-knittel 3 ай бұрын
@@zariamultimedia sorry, just saw this. This is something that I've done some testing on - especially matching the FX3 and FX6. Some of this could come down to noise reduction that the FX3 automatically applies, while the FX6 you can customize. Thats been a pain in the past for me, have a video planned about those differences, as far as colors - what problems were you running into?
@keith-knittel 3 ай бұрын
@@codychoe I don't have any deity tc boxes to test this, but my initial (and completely unresearched) answer is probably not
@snackfarmer 6 күн бұрын
great video. just saved my life!! when the cameras are powered down, and then powered back on, is timecode still synced and running?? when doing so the TC displayed on my FX6 looks good but on a Sony. a1 the TC numbers on the display monitor are different. But on the APP, timecode sync looks still good.
@TheArizonaHooligan 6 ай бұрын
Great video; I didn't realize Tentacle had cables that allowed the use of the multi-function input on the FX3. Here's my question: is the XML file import process the same with DaVinci Resolve?
@JediKang 8 ай бұрын
Dude thank you so much
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
You’re welcome, glad to help!
@maggie3458 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the excellent breakdown. Is there a way to monitor audio with this setup?
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
You can monitor from the app, but there is a delay and is for reference purposes - you wouldnt be able to route it to your camera audio. I like the app-based monitoring because I can use my airpods via bluetooth to monitor the audio. Less wires
@Mr.C0ffee 5 ай бұрын
Does the tentacle sync app exports the high pitch timecode audio also? If so, do you just then need to delete it premier? Thanks 🙏🏼
@aov_james 8 ай бұрын
thanks for sharing in detail. Have you tried different lav on track e? such as dpa, sanken or countryman's. One last thing, other than app monitoring, what other monitoring configurations are there? read a thread, track e headphone out passed through rode wireless go for monitoring option and wonder sony's uhf wireless tx/rx work as well.
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
I'm not much of an "audio person", so I've only used the included mic. I'd love to test out more mics in the future though. For monitoring, it depends where you get your Track E's! In the US, there is a patent (I have no idea which one) that prevents monitoring while recording, so when you record, the audio feed is turned off. You wont have that problem outside of the US though. I've honestly never even thought about using another separate wireless mic, from the mic out for monitoring haha. I have a rode go II and DJI mic, so I might try to get an EU version (I'm in the US) for my next track e and give that a shot haha. You can monitor the track e with the app through your phone. There is a delay, so it's not great but enough to check that theres not wind or clothing rustling against the mic
@aov_james 8 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel thanks for reply, for as I know, recent firmware update resolved monitor restriction on US version. typically some of our local tv shows use body pack recorder + wireless tx on talent quite a bit. Which recorder is backup insurance and feeding/monitoring audio directly to camera op or audio director is ideal. I haven't seen people using it with tentacle track just yet, usually sony uhf d21 to tascam dr-10c combos. I might as well get couple of track-e, been looking for decent lav mic to pair with ;)
@ReadySetElement 8 ай бұрын
What up my brother Keith always appreciate your wisdom. Huge favor to ask you I got invited to attend the OC auto show and was given media passes for the event. I am excited and super nervously since I dont have a nicd camera to film with. I mainly record our videos using my DJI pocket 2 and my Samsung S23 ultra. I feel like I cant show up recording with my phone and need to buy a camera. What camera would you recommend that would be great for vlogging and get good 4k videos for a good price ? I was thinking of the Sony VZ-E10 but I wasnt sure.
@ReadySetElement 8 ай бұрын
I definitely appreciate your help and advice and I knew you would be the one to ask 🙏
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
Yoooo! Congrats on the event gig man! What’s your budget? And do they have a budget to buy you a camera? Or rent one? If you only need a camera to film the event, you can rent a camera and will be much cheaper since you only need the camera for the event. However, if you’re looking for a camera of your own to use, knowing your budget and what you want to shoot will help! There are tons of great cameras out there right now!
@HeyAdamGrasso 7 ай бұрын
Hey Keith. Quick question. How much would the timecode drift out of sync after 1 hour, if you unplug the the Tentacle Sync from a FX3? Would it only be a second or so?
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
After 1 hour, it would probably be more than a second. I have not tested that for a long period of time, but that would be going against the point of using time code. Removing the need to sync in post is the problem these devices are solving. And if you multiply that between multiple cameras/audio recorders over a full day, then youre not really leveraging the benefits of timecode. Can't wait for the day the timecode is just baked into cameras. They all have wifi and bluetooth these days, why not just make it a feature?? Would you be interested in a video about timecode drift? That could be an interesting video to research and make
@luigiconte995 2 ай бұрын
Hello, is it possible to sync directly in Premiere? The program seems to not recognize the tentacle timecode on the video clip. But I checked with Tentacle Sync Studio and in the left channel the timecode is matching with the boom timecode...
@OverlandEdits 2 ай бұрын
Do you know if once you pair the sync and track units, do they auto pair and sync when you turn them on again? Can you just power them up and start recording? Or do you need to use the app every time to sync everything up?
@keith-knittel 2 ай бұрын
They sync to the app after pairing them automatically - but after you turn one of the boxes off, I always resync everything when turning it back on. It's a pretty quick process and if one of the boxes drifts out of sync, then your back to nudging clips around based on audio waveforms. I keep the sync e's on all day when I'm using them and turn the cameras on and off all the time. Thats not a problem. Just a problem if you turn the time code boxes on and off, or disconnect the sync e from the camera - timecode will drift out of sync then. Sorry for the long-winded answer
@OverlandEdits 2 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel No I appreciate the detail, thank you. In my particular situation, a project I’m doing has the talent operating the camera and audio equipment by herself. Currently I’m using some dji mic’s and they work great, when they work lol. Occasional cutouts has me syncing again in post which is what I was avoiding moving to the wireless. The tentacle system intrigues me but adding steps of pulling out a phone every time she wants to quickly just film something seems like I might be pushing my luck with how much technology and learning I’ve stuck on her plate so far haha. She wouldn’t be able to just turn everything on and start recording?
@Motionandstory 25 күн бұрын
So if I film with a Komodo X and two sony FX3, Would I need to buy 3 Tentacle Syncs?
@gigihanmandarin 8 ай бұрын
Out of topic: It seems like there is a Velcro-ish sticker at the back of your Macbook, I suppose that is to mount an external SSD. Seems like a neat solution! what is that, may you share?
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
Yeah - search "Slip drive" on amazon. Fits a samsung SSD!
@dathofilms 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. DOes the timecode follow into Proxy files? I am asking bcs my editors usually use Proxy files, so I do not have to send over huge files. Can they still use timecode for synching?
@keith-knittel 2 ай бұрын
I have not tried that! I'll have to test that out with the meta data time code. If your proxy files have audio (they should), using the audio time code would work - but let me do a test with proxy files with the time code baked into the meta data instead of jam-syncing audio. My best guess would be, if your camera can read timecode it should pass that info to the proxy files - but let me do a test to make sure
@dathofilms 2 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel Yes, I am curious about the baked in metadata for A7siii. That would be amazing to test. Thank you so much! (Just ordered the C24 cables and hoping this works hehe)
@treykeys2978 4 ай бұрын
Keith, we do a ton of naming and cataloging of clips at my job in an athletic department. If I were to batch rename my clips in finder, then add descriptors in the file name, does that break the timecode link in any way? Is the information truly in the file, or does it also require me to import the Sony .xml files. Thank you!
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
Yooooo, good question! If you're using this setup with the tentacle sync cable and these sony cameras, the time code is embedded into the clip itself (Not only the XML). I just did a test and renamed each file on my machine after filming a clip, deleted the XML file altogether, and was still able to sync the clips in tentacle sync no problem. Also brought it into davinci resolve, and the Start and End TC values were still there.
@treykeys2978 4 ай бұрын
I appreciate it! @@keith-knittel
@parttimepaul 4 ай бұрын
Do you think there’s any benefits to buying the new mkii vs buying the original for less? Great video btw
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
These are the mkii sync e's - I don't have any experience with the version 1's so I can't really comment on that. Love these ones though
@f2f.photography 5 ай бұрын
Great job on this. I'd love to see one this good but for Canon. :)
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
Thank you and I would, but I don't have access to any canon cameras. Feel free to send me some, canon!!!
@f2f.photography 5 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel Or maybe you can fly to Seattle to do the vid. :)
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
@@f2f.photography Fly me out, canon!!! Haha
@billycrowe4501 4 ай бұрын
So is there any way to have the xml it makes reference the original footage rather than making a "Original Media" bin that seems to reference some kind of different footage. Reason I am asking is I need to make proxies but it makes the sequence using the original media bin it generates not the original footage.
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
When it comes to making proxies with timecode, I would think you would create a timeline based on the source footage with timecode, then allow your editor to make the proxies once you have your sequence laid out via timecode? The way I'm using the tc with my sony cameras in this video bakes the tc data into the clip, so as long as your proxies arent stripping all metadata when making them - it should work just fine that way as well. If you're using audio time code, then the proxies should also have the tc on one of the audio tracks
@f2f.photography 5 ай бұрын
What is the trick to get the audio footage off the Tentacle Sync onto the computer? Do you have to remove the micro SD Card and plug into the computer? I was expecting when I plug the device into the PC it would show up as a drive. I have both Windows and Mac and it doesn't show up on either.
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
The Tentacle Sync does not record audio to the timecode box. The sync E only records scratch audio if youre using it via the 3.5mm jack (one channel will be scratch audio, the other channel will be time code gibberish) - the Track E records audio, and that records to the micro SD card
@mazzith 6 ай бұрын
Has anyone had a issue where the timecode took for windows errors out but the tool shows there is timecode in the audio but can’t write it to the actual video? Had this issue with a wedding I just did video for. Was the first time I used timecode.
@JoATTech 8 ай бұрын
Great info. The price is kinda steep though. And TrackE recorder is actually very hard to get in Europe :(.
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
If you have one or two cameras, you can probably get away without using timecode, but multiple cameras and mics can really benefit from timecode - the upfront cost is pretty steep, if youre charging to edit they pay for themselves pretty quickly. And I also hated assembling footage for the edit - now I can just go straight to editing. I'd think they would be easier to get in the EU - Tentacle Sync is in germany!
@max7w311 Ай бұрын
Can you use this with the sony A7 iii? Thanks
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
You can use these with the A7III, but you'll have to use the audio port for the timecode. The A7III does not support timecode in with the sony multi cable used in this video
@andywakeman9806 7 ай бұрын
What happens if one camera grabs some 60fps broll for a few clips and then jumps back to the regular frame rate??? This would be key for my workflow. Anyone tried this?
@erikpreston2393 6 ай бұрын
If you're on a multiple of 60fps (29.97) no problem...
@pedalandypedal 8 ай бұрын
Are you saying that the cameras all need to be in the same frame rate or drifting will be an issue?
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, if one is set to 30, one is 24 and another is 23.976 you’ll have issues. If you have some slow motion clips that are divisible by the original frame rate, (30,60 and 120 fps footage for example) you’ll be able to use them together - but it’s a good idea to try to keep the cameras on the same frame rate for minimal issues
@pedalandypedal 8 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel as long as the frame rates between cameras is the same, got it. Let’s say that’s set. What if I’m on a 24p timeline mixing in 60 and 120p footage, no issues?
@physiqueDrummond 7 ай бұрын
oh god, when will someone develop a syncing system which is frame rate agnostic???
@felipeandjess 5 ай бұрын
Does the sony a7siii have time code in metadata?
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
As of right now, no timecode metadata on the A7S III - you have to use the sync the timecode via the audio port. Maybe in a future firmware update? This seems like something they could do since the FX3 has this
@Javier_Hernandez 3 ай бұрын
My multiport doesn't work at all. When you connect yours, it shows EXT-LK next to your time code on the camera. And I'm in version 4.00 Mine never shows up. I followed all the steps you did. I can't find where on my FX3 to turn on the multiport to accept the connection. Have you or anyone run into this issue? Please help
@keith-knittel 3 ай бұрын
Did you setup your FX3 in the menu? Specifically, Time Code Run: Free Run
@Javier_Hernandez 3 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel Yes, I figured it out on another video.My frame rate was not set to the tentacle sync frame rate so the multi port will not work if these aren't set on the same frame rate before you connect the cable. Thank you though. Your video was very informative.😀
@keith-knittel 3 ай бұрын
@@Javier_Hernandez Gotta love technology. Glad you figured it out and your camera isn't defective
@GoodcoStudios Ай бұрын
I'm not getting the EXT--LK note on my screen. I've followed all the same steps.
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Hey there, were you able to figure this out? You go through your menus and update the tc settings?
@DavidGriffin 8 ай бұрын
My ONLY problem with the Track E is the built in battery... if they drop a AA or AAA battery version ohhh boy count me in for 5 of em... even with them but coming with a lav at $229 USD I'm willing. But damn.
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
They have a pretty solid battery life, and you can get a replacable battery - I like that it's an internal USBC rechargable but I understand where youre coming from. Rechargable batteries are pretty easy to come by/swap out
@DavidGriffin 8 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel can the battery be bought on Amazon? Now I'm really curious.
@keith-knittel 8 ай бұрын
@@DavidGriffin yeah, here is the listing for the Sync E replacement battery: amzn.to/3EGEIRF - I like that it has a replaceable battery for $35-$40
@baekmedier 4 ай бұрын
Why would you turn them off between shoots? they last around 8 hours of timecode?
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
If I'm changing locations or taking an extended break during the day I tend to shut everything off or sometimes even charge batteries with the downtime. Maybe that's just me 🤷♂️
@baekmedier 4 ай бұрын
Its probably just me being a lazy ass :P hehe. It makes sense to turn everything off while not in use. I just keep it running my self. :P @@keith-knittel
@georgerady9706 6 ай бұрын
I’m SO PISSED!!! We had a shoot and I bought the Tentacle for three cameras; Cannon R5, Sony Alpha and Blackmagic 6K and “Sound Guy” says they weren’t working… we were behind schedule so I had to press on… and, when I asked later what went wrong, “they just didn’t work” well, I ask a guy at B&H and he didn’t know of any reason why they wouldn’t??? I just think the kid on the shoot didn’t want to screw with them… I bet they’ll work.
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Oooooooooh man! On a three camera shoot.. I’m so sorry haha. As long as you have the proper cables, they should be working. Assuming you were shooting external audio? Maybe if the sound guy was piping audio into the camera, he wasn’t able to jam sync the time code via the mic jack? So he just used audio instead?
@georgerady9706 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I haven’t had a chance to re-create it myself but that’s as easy as I assumed it would be… fortunately it be was a Reading of a Play and we did it in two takes (with some catch-up and cover shots) and it was only one boom and two - wired - lavs into my Zoom F8n that the Tentacle was setting the time code for… then pushing it out to the cameras (all high end cameras so it just should have gone into the mic jack… as you say!)
@kevinbatts2804 6 ай бұрын
That’s a shame, it’s a little extra set up time but well worth it.
@TheGoodContent37 7 ай бұрын
I dont understand why people buy things like this device when software that syncs multiple video files through audio has existed for years! Please tell me why such a marvellous and cheap thing such as aoftware that syncs through audio was changed for using a freaking expensive device. I really want to understand! To this day i still record with multiple cameras and trow everything to the editor and put the syncing software to sync everything flawlesly in seconds.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
For smaller and shorter shoots, where you can slate all cameras/audio and have a quiet room to sync the audio and video, timecode can be overkill. But for a long shoot, with multiple takes and cameras over a full day or multiple days, these things are a huge time saver when it comes to assembling video/audio. I try not to shoot weddings anymore, but if I have to shoot one, using timecode to assemble an entire day of pure chaos is magic. Theyre amazing for in the field doc work too. Thats usually a mess to assemble
@fossmountainfilm 5 ай бұрын
So true! @@keith-knittel
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