This needs to be pinned

​@@the_gratefulgamer nah, people just don't want to go back to paying for shit.

Maybe…. But the convenience of KZfaq is I can watch a variety of stuff for free, so even though I enjoy their content why pay to go to a website (no app, can’t watch on TV or game system) that has limited things to watch? Not about the money for some (though, for the VAST majority of their fans it is) but it’s what does that money get you? I am not paying $6/mo for 3 episodes of a series I like… just pay one month and binge watch stuff when there is enough…. Assuming this whole thing lasts long enough that there is that much content

@@makerarchive6502because they can’t afford it or don’t think it’s worth it due to other expenses. End of the day, this channel is now dead

@@DolphinsFanInVA comes down to - they are contractors for KZfaq, they don’t own their IP, KZfaq has to give them rules to abide by - they are KZfaq’s bitch :)

LOL Feels like they all left Buzzfeed just to turn into something worse themselves.

@pepethefrog6809 you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

@@pepethefrog6809 Now that's a reach, these three are hardly worse than buzzfeed lmao

@@Shinigami344 They did other sht tho, let's not act like a paywall is the worst thing you can do to a person. You still have a choice not to pay, which normal ppl wouldn't even if they can.

I feel like Shane might actually leave after all of this backlash

I was thinking of Rooster Teeth, without the dick pics.

This is worse because RT had too much on their plates.

@@JeskidoYT and in this case, Watcher, from what I’ve heard, doesn’t have enough stuff to justify a full on streaming service!

@@drewo.127They sure don’t. They basically said in their goodbye video that the idea behind this streaming service is that they need more money to develop more varied and experimental content. Which may sounds like it tracks, but the problem with that is that if not enough people subscribe to the platform (which they clearly won’t), that means by their own admission, they will not have the funding necessary to further diversify their content. They are literally fucking themselves so badly with this it’s insane.

Thats literally the first thought i had when i watched the video. Its such a simple point that comes first before anything. What is thier contingency plan for this i dont understand. They have been doing youtube for a long time they are pro i cant believe they didnt think this through​@@peytonalexander5300

U know it. They DEFINITELY werent expecting such backlash

The video itself says they were going to take down content. If you looked at their channel, they already archived a lot of their content before evidently backtracking and editing their comment. The first couple seasons of Puppet History were taken down.

@@hiphillbertwatch the video again your wrong

There's proof they were going to, they did an entire interview and the article had to update after a few hours because they backtracked, they also stated in the video after the trial period all the content would be locked away, they only attempted to retract that after feedback and attempted to gaslight people they hadn't said it lol.

I was wondering how they thought they'd grow if all Watcher content was behind the paywall.

It genuinely just feels greedy they already make 50-100k on their patreon

YES!!! More ppl don't bring this up and I think it's the most telling part of the whole video. They obsess over advertisers and what they can and can't do in this nebulous censorship implication to garner our sympathy and build our anger but I see videos all the time with much more controversial topics getting sponsored. Why wouldn't they be appealing to sponsors? The studio that made The Quarry called them a great partner and something about working together again in the future.

I also don't understand. They already make content around true crime and supernatural stuff so it's not like they can't mention death etc, clearly? i have no idea what else they want to do that's so unpalatable to advertisers that they aren't doing already

@@nothobbesmufc949 right? They don’t even just get silly little KZfaq sponsors they were getting full movie studios sponsoring them MULTIPLE TIMES

@@memelord4372 oh yeah recently learned about just how much they were making off of patreon and that’s just disgusting to now pull this shit and not even give their patreons a streaming subscription

THIS. And his videos flop in comparison with Shane and Ryan's ones.

Everything about steven makes sense when you learn that he came from a rich family and is obsessed with luxury/attention. Never liked him

Yeah they literally could have asked them for advice or heck ask their audience over this terrible idea before surprise attacking us like this…

Yup

But they have also become so disingenuous as well. I stopped watching them because they forgot where they came from and essentially cater to their rich fans despite it being all their fans that got them where they are. $300 for the base ticket price for Mythicon? Telling people to not scan their comics and make it available for those who can't afford to join their club to be able to see? They only care about people who can pad their already overflowing wallets. They also try too hard to pretend they care about whichever cause is the flavor of the week, and many of their videos are basically the same.

@@englishatheart they charge what there’s a market for but they still give us DAILY free content… two shows a DAY It’s how they make their money and I can’t be mad at them for that. Rhett and Link have never sold out to THIS extent.

@@englishatheartthey are putting out multiple podcasts weekly and videos per day… you can watch this content for free… nobody forced you to pay for the extra videos, merch or events

I think steven should become more managerial than an actual star of the channel. Other than too many spirits and worth it he just isnt that much of a fun watch. And there has to be a limit to the no. of food shows they can make like geez

@@aritrasaha441 Yeah i agree. Most people that subbed to Watcher when they started were BuzzFeed Unsolved fans who were there for Shane and Ryan. Like I don't hate Steven but when they started posting his videos I never even bothered watching them after the first few, it just wasn't what I was looking for from the channel. I don't think it would be a horrible idea for him to just start his own channel considering how many videos under the Watcher channel belong to him.

@@aritrasaha441 but how do you get the CEO who calls himself a youtube star to step back? When he called himself that in the video I really thought I was being pranked. I didn't know who he was when Watcher started I thought he was like the accountant or something 😂

Steven Lim owns Watcher

Also just focus on a few projects that are doing very well- they r branching out too much with too many employees

They just aren’t listening to the fans. They’re so focused on what ‘they’ want to create that they aren’t making content we actually want to watch. Cut “production quality, get rid of the massive office and 15 employees, make it a work from home job for the remaining 10 employees, get rid of 60% of the boring content that’s getting low views and make more ghost content w Shane and Ryan. Boom- success.

@@emmawills4112they have success. They’ve had that from the start. They want money. They want to buy more toys. I don’t think they really care about their fans. They want to cReAtE bIg ThInGs. Which is fine. But what they want and what their fans want do not match. And they’ve just shafted those fans. Their goodbye to KZfaq was, in effect, a TikTok style breakup. “Sorry, guys, but you’re all too poor to fund the lifestyle we deserve.”

They just posted a backtracked video

They just posted a backtracked video

@@adrijamukherjee8147 just saw it. I think it's a good move to just have stuff released earlier on the streaming platform and then release it all on youtube later.

Many people don't even have paychecks because they're not able to work. For some of us, free entertainment (that they got rich off of) is the only escape from this shithole hell called life that we have. This was a big "F-you" to their fans that are barely surviving as it is.

Also, just wanted to add that international fans exist too, for some of us it would be equivalent to 30$ a month

@@englishatheart No one is entitled to free entertainment. Be grateful for the free entertainment that you do have access to.

I don't drink Starbucks. It's too expensive. I'm the weirdo who has one channel that I subscribe to. Hell no Watcher.

The problem with 'its just 6.00' is that that's basically the case, if not more, for every other streaming service and genuinely everything. All these little costs add up. Not only that, but at least with Amazon prime you get a service of quick delivery fees, and a whole host of movies and shows. You're paying for essentially, one channels worth of whatever shows they produce and however much they end up shooting for the month.

They clearly don’t know their audience if they think WE care about TV style content. Some of the funniest moments in Watcher shows have been the sloppy, low quality scenes. Like nothing made me giggle like the awkward up-the-nose GoPro shots from Ghost files. I’d literally watch these guys film a video in a run down barn. We weren’t here for the “quality” we were here for THEM 😢

I feel the same

I'll be honest, I paid for Dropout, and it's currently my favorite paid service. I also pay for yt premium, Netflix, and Hulu. Dropout just makes better content than all of them that straddles the line between TV and Internet quality. Apparently I'm not the only one that likes it either, since Dimension 20 just sold out Madison Square Garden for a live show. There's a demand for this tier and type of content, which I think doomsayers are missing.

@@Watsabeholder there’s more to the issue than just the subscription alone. Looking at the long term optics of the channel, the vast majority of fans and supporters are there for Shane and Ryan. Steven, their CEO, brings in less views and some people don’t appreciate his attitude/luxurious tastes. So they introduce this subscription service, something that to a sizable proportion of their viewerbase (older teens/college age adults) is a non-starter. And then Steven talks about wanting to bring back a show where he literally just travels and eats the most expensive foods. “Pay six bucks a month or sixty bucks a year to watch me live large!” That is the message a lot of people are taking away from this. With dropout/college humor they already had multiple talents to showcase on their platform. Watcher only has Ryan, Shane, and Steven. While I understand your opinion, I don’t think you can really compare the scope of Dropout to Watcher 1:1.

@@Watsabeholder They have 2.93 million subscribers.....they're not selling out madison square garden. and they're charging $60 annually or $72 if you subscribe monthly. They were initially going to paywall all of their old content as well but have already backtracked on that. No one in the comments is happy with them on that video. especially their promotion of Steven Lim reviving Worth It to travel the globe with 2 new employees while they're complaining they have no money to make episodes.

Like Smosh

they did that on Patreon funnily enough. were getting at minimum $60k a month.

Maybe they would be making more on Patreon if they promoted it like one single time on their channel lol. Apparently lots of us didn't know they had one

​@@jessicacreed7773 THEY HAD A PATREON?!

They made 30- 57k a month. How is that not enough?

Exactly. And tbh, lately I haven't been enjoying their videos as much as I used to and I think it's BECAUSE of it being way more produced now. It's like it lost the chaotic charm I fell in love with during the Buzzfeed Unsolved era.

​@@bandit_of_trashthis like for ghost files its cool with the higher production and all but they just go into places and shout with no "evidence" and forced comedy. they don't really take it as seriously as they used to. They never took it fully serious but because its got more money into it they feel like they're forcing it to try be funny doesn't feel natural like it used to

Even TV watching Chappelle's show when I was a kid I saw the terrible green screens and when a character got punched or thrown it was a very obviously horrificly bad looking dummy and it made it more funny. Entertaining/funny writing will make up for said lack of production

@@bandit_of_trashI totally agree.

they could literally be walking around an abandoned scrap yard with a hand held camera and it would probably be just as much as not more entertaining. the high production value is cool but it's not the reason anybody watches them.

I mean terrible politicians with no economic knowledge aside, there are too many subscription-based platforms now and it's completely oversaturated even if we had competent people in charge of our country. It's just such a weird thing to do, love their content, but paying as much as I would something like Hulu or Netflix just for their videos? Crazy.

This.. this is why I say goodbye too.

It isn't even just the rest they are going to be removing all their content from KZfaq. Which honestly makes the slap in the face hurt a bit more.

I know that this strategy can be done, Dropout being the poster child of its success and smosh also pulling off some good pay per view successes as well. But in those cases you have older channels, with much bigger audiences, with more content and experience as well. Here, i cannot help but feel like the guys at watcher are jumping the gun.

I'll be honest, I might pay for their service because I really love their history and ghost content. But I'll wait it out to see what they will say because of the backlash.

It sucks when the rare L is kind of a big one

@@ghostguru9156 Yeah.. it kinda sucks and soo sudden they did this

I was *really* hoping it was a joke

@@aperson6799 sadly not. I hope they cancel this dumb move

@@ShiroyashaVince the crazy thing is how cynical and narcistic it all came off as. I honestly blame Steven mostly since he is the CEO.

I get the feeling like that show is why they are having money problems, lmao

Their most expensive videos are all Steven's, yet his stuff only gets a fraction of the views that Ryan and Shane's stuff gets. This paywall streaming service seems to be Steven's idea too,. Especially considering how uncomfortable Shane looked and how Ryan seemed to be forcing it throughout this video. It's a shame to see Ryan and Shane probably lose everything they've built over the last decade solely because they gave their friend way too much power over the company

It really doesn't matter at this point what they do going forward Steven has committed career sewiside. His new Worth It spin off will absolutely flop now and the people will most likely only gravitate towards Shane because we know he is against stuff like this. "Steal from the rich". Steven might as well sell his tesla. All that caviar and gold plated burgers got to his ego.

I didnt even watch it then…never been a fan of steven. So im not paying for a subscription to something i only watch a portion of.

Tbh I don’t think Steven’s are the most expensive. They have an unnecessary high number of employees for Ryan’s and Shane’s videos… they have enough time to do most of the research themselves, the same goes for the writing and they don’t need that many camera and sound people… also they have unnecessary employees like Ryan’s cousin. He appeared in some of the videos but it was never explained what he actually does and all he filmed was some backlash content (which they really don’t need another person for)

Or maybe try collab contact with Sam Reich and Dropout if Nebula and KZfaq membership aren't it. He could at least give advice as someone who know what to do. Probably advice being not to do this. They already had sponsors, merch and patreon.

So true, like WHY DIDN’T THEY JUST USE NEBULA

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 Probably cause nebula has a similar revenue sharing system as KZfaq and it’s literally the same thing as what they are doing yet closer to KZfaq in the sense that it is a subscription service that they don’t own 100% of

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034Pride. Pride and ego.

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 Right? It already exists, and it already has a bunch of amazing KZfaqrs over there. In a world of 'exclusivity streaming services', trying to divide and conquer is just going for broke. Or ringing in a new dawn of black sails lol.

$60k a month minimum in just patreon. i don't think they're as financially insolvent as they're implying they are.

⁠@@nothobbesmufc949Assuming All 25 watcher staff work full time and make 14$/hr (a fairly average minimum wage), 60 thousand dollars would still be 600 dollars short of one month of employee salary’s. Now obviously not every member would be full time but theres also no way any of them are making minimum wage so their actual monthly employee wages are probably far higher than 60 thousand dollars. Their channel most likely does not get the views they would need to support employee wages alone, and it definitely does not get the views it would need to be profitable after business expenses. Especially since most of the community seem to agree that they are spending more and more money on sets and equipment (I don’t watch the channel so I can’t confirm this I just think it’s interesting to watch fairly well known KZfaqrs implode like this).

It was just very very poor financial decisions over a long period of time. Having steven be ceo was a horrible decision bc he did not manage the money well at all

Watcher had something truly special and it didn't require high budget to be entertaining! They struck gold and ruined it with one video.

I 100% feel the same way. Just a couple of days before the announcement, Steven announced the addition of 2 new guys to Watcher. I thought "how can this business possibly sustain all these people?" So 8-12 months from now when their staff is running around 30-35 people, the $6/mo becomes $10/mo or suddenly they drop a "we hate to do it, but we're bringing back ads..." video. You can't outrun bad business management. If Steven is the CEO, Watcher really needs to reevaluate his role in the company. If that can't be done, anyone who wants a future in the content creation space should reevaluate their role in the company. (also I can afford $6/mo, but Watcher content is not a priority. Subscription models need to die a rapid death, and we all need to draw the line somewhere)

Same i'm still so devastated at the original video and omni comes and rubs it in my face

Oh wow, anyway...

Watcher was a continuation of Buzzfeed unsolved and a few other new shows were added for content on their channel. They decided to become more subscription based for profit. 🤷🏻‍♂️ There are good channels out there that are still free on KZfaq which have the original premise when they originally started. Paranormal scholar and Why Files come to mind!

Same here

Why not? He's a drama commentary channel

nailed it. i do not understand why Lim is there so prominently. it was always Ryan and Shane!

@@camillajefferson386 Yeah, most likely Lim's idea. But I still can't believe Ryan and Shane thought this was gonna be a good thing.

Exactly 💯

He’s a good guy but I agree

@@desmeisme doesn’t seem like it.

after hearing that, all i've been thinking is - you know what IS affordable to everyone and anyone? youtube 😂

I can afford it but it's just not a good deal. $6 for one channel??? Insane

Fr, this is youtube, we aren’t expecting a million dollar production budget, we want authenticity, charisma, and jokes. And with the food stuff, who watches that? Like thats such an old idea, buzzfeed already drilled that trend into the ground. I dont get why creators prioritize visual effects over staying within their budget?

To become a non-existent brand

Damn

WOW IM SO DISAPPOINTED BY THEM GENUINELY

I’ve lost so much respect for them wtf

Steven Lim needs to pay for his tesla!

They tried to expand too quickly, hired too many people.

Or literally… telling people about their Patreon

@@rumpeltyltskyn they already had a patreon???? oh hell naw

@@minthe8851 Someone said (tho I have no way to confirm this so don’t quote me) that they were routinely making between $55k-$100k a month on it

Or move to Nebula

​@@minthe8851they did!

Not just any sponsors either. They've had entire videos sponsored by major film, TV and game studios. Add a $75,000+ a month Patreon and youtube ads to that and they are making a large amount of money. It's clear that they are out of their depth with the size of the company and number of employees. They're clearly overspending and managing the finances poorly

Exactly check how much they were getting per month just from patreon thousands!! Only from that and then they saying now I know you pay patreon but you also have to pay 5.99 if you want to watch out content

@@izabelasiczek3547yeah they were making at the least 60k a month just from patreon

​@@izabelasiczek3547they walked that back today in an apology video. Patreons will be refunded. New material will still premiere on the new platform but after one month it will be available for free on youtube. Old content will be left on KZfaq. What's happening is that as someone above said, they are hiring their old friends as BuzzFeed slowly dies, and they have too many people and too big of a budget

they already do exclusive content on patreon with 11k patrons lol I couldn't believe it when i found out.

They made around 30-57,000 a MONTH. They didn't need to do this.

That's what Dropout did and they still left up all their old stuff and continues to post episodes and even whole seasons of previously paywalled seasons on KZfaq for free.

And Nebula at least let's you have more bang for your buck so you get a ton of content from different creators. I'm not paying 6 bucks for a single creators content. 😂

They walked everything back in an apology video today

I don’t even think the try guys had that many employees when they first restarted their brand on their own. I’d be curious to see how many staff members they had before the moved out of the house to their current office

If I knew they had a Patreon earlier, I'm sure I'd have supported it. The fact that we are FORCED to pay is not the correct way to gain funding.

@@hiphillbert dude yeah they don't promote it and they have 11k patrons which is at least 50k a month and that's if everyone is subbed to the lowest tier.

The worst part for me is that they're moving all the patreon content apart from the podcasts onto the new streaming service.. so that means I have to pay for both. Make it make sense? Like give the patrons a discount or something? IDK. I haven't completely made my mind on this, but I don't think they thought it through.

@@memelord4372 I remember hearing them talk about they wanted to use moving dolly cameras for Mystery Files to be dynamic but it's those sort of minute details that truly no one cares for that are wasting the fans' dollars. I would've fixed the usage of funds before anything else.

@@Fraise1300 Keep in mind that Patreon takes a piece, so hosting it on their own site keeps that money inhouse, plus they aren't making as much as people think they are on Patreon. Still a terrible idea.

A patreon that barely anyone even knew about

@@skSk-eb4zg it's all over their youtube channel so I don't see how ppl missed it. and they DID shill it. so again....I don't get how ppl didn't know about it. they often posted "hey if you subscribe you get stuff 24 hours early!!" or said it in videos so....yeah I don't see how ppl missed that.

​@@skSk-eb4zgeven with so few of their subscribers knowing about the patreon they still have 12k monthly subscribers there. The minimum subscription price is $5 a month, meaning if all $12 k of those people are only doing $5 a month they are getting $60k a month. Imagine if they actually plugged their patreon

​@@nothobbesmufc949they don't advertise it as much as they should. Its usually a one sentence plug that they do, but there aren't nearly enough advertisements of the content there. They should have tried pushing it more before literally ditching the entire platform

@@skSk-eb4zgthey have at least 12k followers making at least 60k a month, seems like enough people heard about it to me

I had been getting a vibe for a while that Ryan in particular was bored with the Unsolved clones they had made, as well as with Puppet History. It feels like they started pouring their focus into production because they no longer actually care much about the content they're making, but the real solution to that is obviously *make different content.* I get that audiences can sometimes just want the same old thing, but these guys had such a following from their personalities alone. The backbone of Unsolved was their dynamic, not the night-vision ghost hunting or the true crime stories. They had such favour with their fans that they could have made new shows that weren't just the same old, and people would have supported it if they said it was their passion project.

They seem hell bent on bringing back Worth It type shows but don't seem to get that while that was cool in 2014, seeing someone try to make the "most expensive version of tacos with wagu beef" is not fun or cute anymore, not when so many people struggle to make ends meet

@@theannmartin It's utterly tone-deaf content to make when so many people figure that money could go somewhere far more useful.

He complained on a podcast that he couldn't afford a second Tesla...

28k and counting x $60 is how much?

I was a mega fan of BUN and Supernatural. I never watched a single thing with Stephen in it until I was forced to if Shane or Ryan was in the video. I think they made everything TOO high quality (for me) when they created Watcher. Too corporate and sanitized feeling. But I did try to watch the Mystery File and Too Many Spirits and Puppet History but it never recaptured the magic of Buzzfeed Unsolved or Ruining History (which IMO was way better than Puppet History). I haven’t watched Watcher in ages, which sucks because I did really like Ryan and Shane. They’re the first KZfaqrs I became a genuine fan of and the only fandom I’ve been apart of practically since the beginning. This really sucks

I was a Shaniac too.

Former,"sigh/sniffle" Shaniac here as well. I can't afford to be one anymore. 😢

Shane is the most dissapointing rn for letting this happens

All hail the watcher ),:

Fence sitter and somehow I knew this was gonna happen. Nothing stays this good for that long.

From left to right: Garnt, Joey, Connor

Except these guys are all Trash and no Taste.

Tbh it does look like someone wanted to make them but wi AI

the end one looks like connor

Omg DEAD. I mean I guess they also are an Asian dude, half Asian dude and a white dude 😆

They lost 20k subscribers today, according to Social Blade. Edit to add: Make that 40K on the first day, and another 30K the next day.

its crazy, they were at 3M and they single-handedly ruined their own business. Im glad people aren't reacting well though. Maybe the overflow of angry reactions will be enough that they rethink their decision

i did the same thing. disliked and unsubbed. so many of us...

I'm so disappointed and heartbroken! I've supported this channel since the beginning, and I even supported their patreon! They struck gold when they created Watcher. The format was perfect! They were killing it with their creativity and authenticity. I've always respected them as creators but I lost a lot of that respect today.

Plus, college humor produces enough content to actually justify them having a subscription service. A cast of 15+ comedians making a massive variety of shows is totally worth it! Three guys covering crime and eating expensive food definitely is not worth it

Not to mention that dropout was originally just EXTRA content. Like they were still releasing all their normal (sketch comedy videos) on KZfaq! Dropout was just longer, more elaborate NEW (or revitalized) stuff! (Then of course they collapsed and manged to successfully pivot!)

dropout is way more worth the 6 bucks than this. dropout are understanding of people that cant afford, they literally responded to the netflix pw sharing fiasco by saying you should share your pw with a friend who cant afford it because itd be nice. meanwhile we're being told "anyone can afford $6." I can't but if I could itd be money better spent on dropout

Dropout is so worth the amount I'm paying man just Dimension 20 alone is great but there are so many other shows that are great

And they release stuff for free on KZfaq. I was shocked last week to find one of my favorite seasons of Dimension 20, Neverafter, was released on KZfaq for free.

It won't. They realized their mistake already and posted an apology video today and walked most of it back. They will still have a new platform, but material will Premiere there and after 1 month will be free on KZfaq

Their patreon has over 12k members and a minimum of $5 a month. That's at least $60k a month and $720k a year BEFORE ad revenue, merchandise, brand deals, or live shows. They're either morons or super greedy.

With 12k patreon subscribers, with their minimum subscription being $5 a month, they make at least $60k a month. If they're burning through that they making poor financial decisions

I'm so disappointed and heartbroken! I've supported this channel since the beginning, and I even supported their patreon! They struck gold when they created Watcher. The format was perfect! They were killing it with their creativity and authenticity. I've always respected them as creators, but I lost a lot of that respect today.

He deserves our $6 😂❤

God, I remember how Rooster Teeth tried spinning the story by claiming that more people watched the most recent volume of RWBY (which I think was 5 at the time?) on their website than on KZfaq, whilst conveniently leaving out the detail that said volume wasn't uploaded onto KZfaq _a year_ after it had aired on their site, which would have an obvious impact on its views.

@@PeriwinklePig ngl that's actually really funny. Scummy af but REALLY funny.

@@nothobbesmufc949 Tbf as frustrating as that was, there was humor to had in how Rooster Teeth was immediately eviscerated for such a blatantly false claim.

i was thinking of this exact comparison, but College humor is way older than the watcher, already had an audience for a page outside KZfaq, and had a bigger catalog of shows. Plus they have so much stuff that they can put a lot of it on youtube for free and still make the subscription worth it. Love the guys at the watcher, but i dont think they have the numbers.

I love(d) Watcher, but they do NOT have that much stuff they have like, a handful of shows, like two seasons of each. And each season is like. 4 episodes.

Not to mention the audience is built of older people. Watcher’s audience is gen z and young millennials. They can’t afford this much.

@@honeyswann I am their audience. I can afford this.

@@Watsabeholderyou are probably ryan shane or steven you are all over everyone’s comments and are the only person rooting for this. Stop. You are one person in a literal sea of people saying they hate this move. Their like to dislike ration on their vid is crazy. You have to know youre on the wrong side of this.

dropout also has a BUNCH of content. i’ve been paying for it for a few months and still haven’t watched everything i want to. i finish catching up on watcher in like three days.

Dropout is insanely cheap and account sharing is encouraged.

Dropout also has way more content then watcher will ever be able to produce, and that content is varied. They have a wildly successful dnd series, a bunch of improv shows, and a bajillion other things that are all super worth it

College humor! A name I haven't heard in a while. I'm gonna check out Dropout now.

off topic but i love your username

@@DogDadInTraining Thanks lol 😂

To be fair, they left Buzzfeed like 2 years ago - it's why they started Watcher, cause their Buzzfeed Unsolved videos were like the top favorites, but they didn't have much control over what they could cover and say either.

@@ES2X1 maybe that was a good things as the content has been bland on watcher

Buddy, pal, when people say that they mean he wont be center stage.

They have patron not sure if they have exclusive videos on there but I know you would get videos like a day or 2 early

@@Ratbait_ that's a fair way too! Just so many other ways for them to potentially make money they didn't need to go this hard into this idea it's bizarre.

You are too good of a fan ❤ and Watcher does not deserve your loyalty. I hated how they put on the emotional music to try and manipulate more of their audience over to the website. I'm glad you didn't end up subing to the website, I heard the website has been having error messages and security systems have been flagging the website as not safe. I hope they turn this around and change their mind and just advertise hard for their Patreon, OR try to get one of their shows on a streaming service that already exists- like Amazon prime or Netflix. They could then get funding and their viewers would get more for their money than just a few videos.

I was almost that person but they've been making a lot of seasons of shows shorter and canceling things lately. It's less entertainment and we have to pay for less. I'm not paying for less and I'm not getting in to "vote back" a show I liked. That's a stupid idea. Just run things better and MAYBE I'll join patreon.

KiraTV has hilarious RAID sponsorships where he basically trolls them 😂"I love a game I can sit and let play itself while I do something else." drops a book adn money falls out of it "Thanks RAID!"

😄

Came here to say this!

Goddamn, they don't need more money

@RigbyIsTheMan those numbers don't even include sponsorship videos which they have done and definitely pays more a video than KZfaq

dont forget the merch sales as well, which im assuming isnt gonna be a consistent money maker for very long after this

@@numberonecrate yup I forgot about that 😅

Don’t forget their tours, international tours

their content is more than sustainable, not to mention they have merch, sponsors paying them, AS WELL AS A PATREON WITH THOUSANDS OF SUBSCRIPTIONS..at this point they’re just more interested in the money than keeping their loyal fan base

Them splitting from buzzfeed was a good idea, them doing this, was not.

yeah idk about this take, buzzfeed isn't exactly great to their employees

I really wish they kept doing unsolved, but I'm sure they didn't want to give money to Buzzfeed. Mystery Files is nowhere near as good as unsolved. I wasn't a fan of unsolved supernatural. Spirit boxes are hard for me to listen to.

it's so much worse now 😂

Yes!! Why didn’t they either reach out to fans with a survey or just be honest about their finances- or break off from Steven (buy him out or something) so they wouldn’t have to carry his dead weight anymore? Really messed up.

To be fair, Watcher isn’t ripping off their old content. It is staying up. They clarified that in the pinned content on their goodbye video.

@@rumpeltyltskyn Just as an outsider who never even heard of these guys, and am still disappointed with them, I will say that if that’s true, it might soften the blow just a bit, but it still is a very big mess overall.

@@drewo.127 Yeah I’m glad they’re leaving up their old content, but I’m still extremely disappointed

@@rumpeltyltskyn They initially were going to remove the youtube content over time. It's said in a Variety article that the company explicitly told them that. and they imply it in the video itself. They didn't clarify it. They completely walked back the statement and reversed their decision. Even contacted Variety who said "Bergara later contacted us to state the old videos would remain on the Watcher channel".

@@nothobbesmufc949 Yeah I saw that on tumblr a few minutes ago actually!

it just feels so greedy when they already make at least 50k a month and most likely more off their patreon with 11k patrons.

I agree! I think they are desperate. I remember a video they did about watcher and how it was doing at that time and they said they weren’t making money. So no, not greed. Poor money management and I think they were in over their head and lowering costs and letting go of staff wasn’t even an option anymore.

This is why I'm not gonna unsubscribe and I'm gonna hang around. This isn't a good choice going forward. But getting rid of expensive shows would be. No, stop doing expensive shows like the food ones. You may just have to get rid of the food shows all together. It might just be ghost hunting and puppet history for a while. Tighten the purse. No new hires. Back to basics. But that'll be okay. But no $6 sub service because if you can't afford certain things... then why do you think a sub service is going to work? It won't.

oaxis still hasn't come out btw

The also lost 30,000 subscribers! Ouch

They are co founders. Don't be naive regarding their involvement

I'm also inclined to believe that Steven is the main scorpion in this. He's always seemed to be pushing for a more corporate direction and Shane and Ryan seemed to have relied on him a lot with business decisions, which they admitted to being out of their element with. Ryan and Shane still signed off on this though. My most charitable guess is that Ryan's been blinded by his perfectionism and Shane's been swayed by arguments that it's necessary in order to treat their employees right. But et tu Brutus with all of them, tbh.

@@This_Is_Just_To_Say yea I kinda believe that as well

@@vanessac1721 well Steven is the sole ceo after Ryan and Shane stepped down

Do not forget the ET sponsorship.

Now see, this here I disagree with. Because the only way to not take shady sponsors would be.... Well, THIS. The ad revenue was not enough. You weren't contributing to their patreon. Sponsors were the only way. And those shady sponsors were the best paying ones. So yeah..... What you just posted is why they thought it was a good idea to make a subscription service.

You realise that this IS basically how they're responding to people like you asking for them not to take shady sponsors? If you're not paying for a product, you are the product, and vice versa.

"I was such a fan but the moment they took a sponsorship that they probably really NEEDED from a sketchy site/service/whatever that I didn't like, I immediately bounced, angry and hurt and disappointed, and now that they are going down in flames I come to another KZfaqrs channel to tell everyone how holier than thou I am for my actions."

@@yael8754I mean sponsorship are needed especially for non-PG content. But would wish that someone out of their 25 employees did a little bit of research on the companies listed above. make sure they do not have a lot bad things (as no company is perfect) but all 3 of the companies listed either bad to their employees or/and their customers.

Same here, trying to appise everyone, and everyone hates it. It keeps happening...

@@MarioMasterProductionsif you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one!

@@drewo.127 Yes, exactly!

It would be a big W.. sometimes you need to get slapped in the face.. maybe someone was selling them a false lie

They make a lot of money, they are just irresponsible with it

And get rid of Steven and his "rich-guy-vlogs".