AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NAH MAN NO WAYYYYY god that is so awkward, i don't know if i can watch that

adding to your original point, not only did mr beast not take money away from his viewers, he even actively give back to his community so much more!!! the sheer difference here is not even funny

I watched this. Hilarious.

Apology video is so cringe and funny

Lmao

Must be watching mark Zuckerberg

What a joke

Steven Lim is definitely an alien wearing human skin. He always gave me the creepy crawls. I can't describe it.

so pretentious its actually hard to watch

Yeah and not a very good one. Certainly not one that's good at business

Gonna be real that's the worst part If I was a patron after hearing that I'd literally leave bc like at that point I'm giving them money for no reason

Damn that’s actually insanely greedy. They don’t deserve another dime. I’ve never even heard of these buzzfeed dorks.

O yeah he’s the guy from 50 dollar pizza to 5000 pizza wear that white guy that use to follow him?

That part is just shitty 😢

@@Sparkofhope621 They're actually really cool people and their content hard carried buzzfeed. If you're cool with some spooks, I recommened checking out the buzzfeed unsolved series, especially the supernatural ones. Sadly, I think they overestimated how much youtube people are willing to give in order to watch their content.

The view counts on his videos should be enough of an answer.

Steven’s ego is unhinged and out of control.

%99.9

Glad I'm not the only one. When I see they switch series and it's Steven, I know I'm not watching Watcher for a few weeks 😂

@@claw9160 this is so real,

And the way he said “everyone can afford it”. Disgustingly out of touch.

Yeah... First podcast got nice edit when he said "I have lots of racist and homophobic friends".... That was my last straw with his rich scuzzy ass

I don't think there's a global financial crisis. I mean, I get what you're saying but prices went up after COVID and just didn't come down. It's not like there are no jobs out there. Again, not saying any of this to take anything away from the comment.

​@@calliew311any financial analysis you ask would say were in a global financial crisis basically every developed countries birth rates are dropping rapidly while living cost rises even faster

Thinking back, when they switched to the "watcher" channel, that was kinda a gateway to what has happened

Exactly- I was so excited for the next seasons of puppet history, ghost files, etc. Just to see a goodbye video where they are basically flushing their brand down the drain

Even worse, they had a countdown to a big announcement and this was it.

I don’t agree with that analogy. It would be more like you’re having a conversation and then they just stop talking and walk away. It might be annoying, but they’re not victimizing you. They are not obligated to keep talking to you. If I’m being totally honest, I think Pegasus is blowing this a little bit out of proportion. They can do what they want with their content. Nobody is entitled to get their stuff for free.

​@jaredurbain9705 I noticed that, a distinct media brand from day 1, they were always planning for this moment

My mind was blown when they said they had a staff of 25 AND hired freelancers to go onsite with them to locations for ghost files. Then you got Stevens RIDICULOUS dish granted costs?? No wonder they are bleeding money. Honestly when they put out dish granted I said to myself “how are they affording this? What a waste of money. I have no desire to watch entitled or self entitled people eat excessively expensive food”. It was such a wasteful show. But hey. Steven owns a Tesla so he’s pro environment right? 🙄

this is how liberals function. seriously. they do it with our govt too. this EXACT THING. they reap the benefits of their poor choices so you can watch them be extravagant and when shtf, ask for more money and promise it will benefit us. then they pump millions into the education systen and then half of baltimore school kids cant even pass a math test with proficiency(look it up 2023).

​@@TuffunikornDont forget the Hollywood studio. I'm sure the rent there is outrageous. Necessary to create the content they do? Probably not, but they clearly want to maintain that Hollywood lifestyle.

That was literally the golden age.

​@@kevink1575100% what's going on. They want to get into the big Hollywood life.

I’m out of the loop on this one, but what makes Steven unpopular with fans compared to the other two?

@@Ran_Do it's a combination of several factors. He seems slimy in general, got no real charisma/star power and has ridden on coattails of his BuzzFeed colleagues for a long time. His cooking shows on Watcher always underperformed and eventually got cancelled, and the one show he got off the ground - Dish Granted - he ruined immediately thereafter by making the 2nd season chock full of guest celebrities and edible gold flakes. Makes me really ponder whether he understands humanity or has a soul at all (yes i'm being dramatic, but i'm sooo sick of soulless corpo BS)

​@@MellyWilliamscouldn't agree more, i bet this whole idea is his dumb idea too 💀

Steven is the white guy on the right yes?

​@@djert24no steven is the asian guy on the far left

same tho fr

Did you notice they collected stories and submissions for Ghost Files and their story reading shows from viewers a month ago and now all that fan provided content is going to be paywalled? 😂 wtaf

@@Eliz-nq6ry OH MY GOD YOURE RIGHT

TBH a lot of their content is that. top 5 beatdown. too many spirits. mystery files.....there are some added graphics and effects.

"Are you scared" is actually the only watcher videos I watch and it's absolutely my favorite youtube series. I wish they made more. I really like the sketches to add to the visual experience but I'd still enjoy it if they didnt have them to save money. It bothered me a lot that the sold out the series to sponsors whose stories felt so poorly written like they scribbled it down in 5 mins and then basically didn't make any more after. I'd be more upset about them doing this but I'd only miss "are you scared" and they dont really make those videos very much anyway since they made those sponsored videos. Dont get me wrong though I'm not against sponsors, I just wish the stories were written better for them. Sorry for long rant I just figured this was the place to do it. I'd love to hear other opinions on are you scared.

Another youtuber suggested in her video that Watcher should shelf shows that aren't as popular, like Steven Lim's 'Dish Granted' and focus on their more popular shows like 'Puppet History' and 'Ghost Files'. I agree. Dish Granted was crazy expensive for the cost of ingredients alone.

Yeah. I don’t know much about content creation, but 25 employees seems a lot for the stuff they’re currently doing. It’s like they’ve gone ‘Hollywood’ focusing on production quality over budgeting.

25 employees does seem like a lot....but putting those people out of a job???

Steven needs to go. He's a PR disaster. He's doubling down on X and blaming the fans.

The first 2 seconds shows the view of the Hollywood sign from their office window. And yet there was no other way they could recoup costs

Greed/ego is a hell of a drug.

Honestly it's so out of left field, Shane and Ryan were so not like this when I first saw them 😢

@@rachelgordon5491ngl I feel like Steven ruined them

Can you tell me how you're seeing the dislikes? I can't seem to see them on any video.

@@midnightdimensions13 You can download an extension that returns KZfaq dislikes

At least one of them has to organize the sugar packets in the break room lol

I’m guessing it’s mostly for research. I feel like it would be more cost saving to just get freelancers for when they make ghost files

Fucking nothing lol probably They have ofc the main people, cameraman, producers, writers and directors. CEO, investors and what not. But a lot of them were their friends on Buzzfeed or irl Pure nepotism

Also i don’t know why they are acting like they wouldn’t be able to do most of the in studio shoots themselves… the camera is mostly steady and they few times it moves they could do it themselves… they aren’t shooting much themselves, they are not writing the shows themselves, they are not doing the research themselves, etc. Steven does even less in front of the camera than Ryan and Shane,… I don’t know what they are doing 8h a day - probably not much… they don’t put out enough content where they are in front of the camera (in comparison with GMM for example) that they can justify that

Researchers, script writers, an entire film crew, editors, costume ppl, media person (including someone sorting through the stuff they get send)...

It’s 3 things in my opinion. They’re mismanaging their income, they have too many employees, or someone in their circle has convinced them to chase maximum profit.

@@Ixteeler probably steven lmao

the funds go into steven's tesla

@@emilia4_a Tesla is nothing compared to the amount of revenue they pull in

@@LinksQuest He ain't stopping at Tesla my guy😬

how do they expect to get new viewership this way? Actually braindead decision making ngl.

This reminds me of the fine brothers situation

They don't need new people, that the point of them moving to subscription ​@@dylanolson6077

​@dylanolson6077 people subscribe to them on patrion probably already.

@@dylanolson6077if you’re broke just say that

I still can't fucking believe it happened Today I woke up and thought it was a fever dream,cause I've been sick for a couple of days. But it's not🤡

​@@4kach24ugh exactly I feel sick it feels like a joke really didn't expect this from them

Gut punch feeling for sure.. I discovered them maybe 2 months ago and have been looking forward to every Friday uploads :l They were really one of my favorite youtubers, what a shame :/

Spot on!

Listen to yourself. let them move on in their career to try and build something new ad bigger. they're greedy? they're trying to be able to afford the high production value. You're greedy for thinking they owe you their career paths just because you've been a fan. yall sound so silly.

I feel this so bad 😂

All of that plus merch too.

It seems like these old youtubers not understand their viewers. Perhaps it is best to not have that much production staffs to cut the costs. If they wanna do it, then join netflix. It will be podcast, documentary, or whatever.

So true the buzzfeet videos were the golden age

@@kculyvreoowo325 If they were like we’re bringing back the old sets and buzzfeed format to save money. Everyone would be like that’s awesome, we love you. We just want to see you guys do you.

I can afford it but I won’t be. I just think it’s not good enough value for the number of shows you’d get a month - they only put out one show a week.

Plus you have to factor in the costs of the website and the cost of uploading the videos which can be crazy expensive.

even if less than 200,000 ppl go to their website, they would make over a million a month… i can see how it would be lucrative but shitting on 90% of your audience??!? ridiculous

I honestly don't think they will even get 5-10%, I think that is far too generous. Most people are not happy about this decision and I don't think they will support them.

@@ChelsBreezefrom the comments on the video most people can’t afford it and even those who can aren’t going to.

they'll get less than 1% and will lose all of them within the first year bc they don't make enough content

I can see it now, “Today I’ll be doing my biggest challenge yet! Being the accountant for these guys for the next 100 days without going bankrupt!”

Nah, Mr. Beast helps people in need, not people in greed

Jimmy helps people that need help

@@Lawlz4Dayzz nicely worded !

@@eglantinepapeau1582 thx

genuinely hope they change their minds or something because i really enjoy watching them.

@@recreatio But can you really continue to enjoy watching them after they've revealed themselves to be greedy and out of touch?

@@dreamlandnightmare personally, ive been watching shane and ryan ever since buzzfeed unsolved, and i just followed both of them onto watcher. right now, i just find it hard to believe that the reason for this stupid decision was mostly just greed or being out of touch. obviously, we don't know these people personally or even the authentic reasons that went in to making this decision, since all of this kind of goes against any judgment we had of them in the past, but i just think there's a lot to unpack there, and there's definitely stuff that we don't know. in the end, it's still a really terrible move on their part BUT i do think they have an option to turn this around (starting by fixing this situation) and trying to actually communicate with the dedicated fanbase they've built over the years. it'd genuinely suck if all of that was just lost because of a stupid paywall they put up

I really liked their BuzzFeed unsolved shows and Ghost files for Watcher but I started to listen to their podcast and realized that the more they revealed about themselves that I don't really like them and they probably would not like me. They are just pompous liberal Hollywood types that I do not appreciate personally 🤷‍♂️

I really liked them, I thought they were genuine, I really loved the chemistry they had between themselves and the audience. Sad

@@adityagandhi5040 Same

Ikr. They are funny dudes. I used to enjoy good time watching them.

and steven's worth it content too. Sighh

Jokes aside, this was 1000% Steven's idea. He always gave me money hungry vibe. Shane and Ryan probably went along because Steven is literally their boss.

​@@El_Nightmare agree. I heard that he is CEO

The fact that people are asking for the ghoul boys to take their most viewed series ghost files overseas which would've been a much better idea and a better investment but instead they opt for Stevens travel show where he tries fancy foods around the world where no one ask for lol is already a good representation on why they are fumbling the funds aside from the 25 employees

​@@japanesesnackIf that's the case, I hope they'll have an intervention before it turns into a David Dobrik situation.

He said on the podcast he wants ANOTHER tesla

What a hot take! Jajaja

Especially when its not worth it. Its hard to compete with your youtube videos against disney movies. At least netflix has a lot of anime i can watch. But the stuff watcher makes is something i can also find for free on yt or maybe find documentaries on netflix/disney if i already have those. Why pay even more extra

That and people were not so uptight over what their creators did or said. And the internet wasn't made " kid friendly". I hate how parents ruined everything for the rest of us. They used the internet to babysit their kids and then they get mad at websites that their CHILD found. Everything is corporate as hell now.

@@shannonhill5676 yeah corporate tries to take over anything when they see theres money to be made. then everything that was previously art or entertainment oriented becomes money/profit oriented, which ruins it from the ground up. because from the very beginning stages of creation, decisions are now based on what makes profit, not what is optimal in terms of the best art or entertainment. the same thing happened to the gaming industry; used to have classic after classic and was uncool and niche to be a gamer. games were made from gamers for gamers. there was a golden age around the 2000's and early 2010's. then corporations came in seeing all the popularity and exponential success in things like *Halo* and forever changed gaming. and now its normal and not anyway niche to game or be a 'gamer'. which isnt necessarily the major problem, but games are rarely made from the passion or purpose they once were when gaming was not normal or cool.

⁠​⁠@@shannonhill5676That’s a narrow viewpoint, blaming parents! The way we view and consume content would have changed regardless as internet use spread and became all pervasive. It’s part of modern life now from school age. So kids (especially tween age and up) will see stuff whether you like it or not.

I miss all the great video game channels from back then, now if someone's making gaming content they almost guaranteed are doing it for money

right, i’ve watched them for years but bro thats crazy

​@@kween4u268its almost heartbreaking seeing them do this.

Just do what I do, get a few friends to throw in a buck and then download everything from the site and share it with everyone else!

🏴‍☠🏴‍☠🏴‍☠ it is

​@@bear0629.YES FINALLY SOMEONE USES THE FLAG TOO 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

Unless you are forced to obviously like if youtube displatformed them. Such as MyHouseisDirty. They been making bank with their website and subscriptions because us fans are happy to do it in that kind of case.

I watch some yt for 7 years if have to pay so i can watch i will stop i could care less aint gona pay nothing

@@Sammy-dushi lol I can’t say the same because I pay for premium every month even when they up the price😭 I just can’t go back to adds.

I didn't even know about them too lol

There countless other content out there. You will be alright

What? That makes it a "damned if you do" scenario IMO......

I'd find it really surprising if they couldn't1 afford to pay their 25 employees based off how much it seems they are making. imo they are just using this as an excuse for their attempted cash grab.

they could have, if they had cut the extremely expensive content.. so no

They could just not make Worth it? ... They wont have to spend thousands on food and travel. Seems like that'll help

​@@chrisg7636but then the CEO couldn't write off his fancy vacations as " business expenses" and make the poors pay for it

It's obvious they don't know shit about handling funds and made steven the sole CEO, I've read a comment saying that steven is a son of the president of some big company so ngl my ass would aslo trust a friend who has a connection somehow on the business world with business decision, as I'm just more of a creative and dont want anything to do with boring and difficult business shit. With ryan i think he has this big ambition of delivering high quality content and steven who's already fumbling the funds was like yeah we could do that, and i assume ryan is blinded with his ambition which is too early to happen anyways. What I'm shock is with shane, he's been my favourite out of the ghoul boys cause he won't let ANY BS come through on his pressence, and I'm shocked that he let this happen

​@Hobiemyhubby assuming you are correct about Steven being a horrible CEO (probably an accurate assessment), and Ryan being blinded by ambition (we are all guilty of this at times), Shane very well could have been opposed to it, but was outnumbered. Only time will tell

I know it's Steven

@@KVGKQuakeomg I hope this is true I’m going through grief I have been following these people for damn near a decade man 😢😅

This. Kinda sad that they kept on yapping about tv quality like bro, you're on youtube. You can shoot it in your car and i'd still watch for as long as you're not putting it behind a paywall. I was there for unsolved's ryan and shane. Was there for ghost files. For too many spirits. For puppet history. Tf i dont wanna see more funds siphoned for steven's travel show with andrew LMAO

You are so not alone on feeling that way. He’s a wannabe corporate tech bro and is just pure bad vibes whenever he comes on screen.

​@@dw13645yeah,his vibes are off But guys chose to do business with him, it also rubs me the wrong way

Steven comes off as some disconnected rich kid. I have a feeling it’s his idea.

This video and the intro video on WatcherTV are so focused on his expensive shows that get 1/4 or less of the views that Shane and Ryan’s videos get. And Steven is so stoked that he was able to get the gang back together so they can go globetrotting and eating bougie food on the fans’ dime. No one even wants that content.

*10 Views*

They could've done the same thing with pateron. Now they have to pay for the website and uploading their videos which is so expensive. They are shooting themselves in the foot.

Also they are no where close to the pint of corridor crew. Id agree with you but yeah. Corridor crew is way more stable to make that choice.

@@FukaiKokoro I guess it's because they hired bad management staff. The people they hired for management are not doing their job properly and misguiding them into disaster. Yah corridors crew already well known in industry and also have extra content on their site to back their decision of having a separate site. Even with all this they are not leaving KZfaq because they are aware of its reach.

I love corridor digital

the crazy part is they did do this, on patreon, and they make fucking bank from it (~$100k or likely more) they just now also want on top of that everyone to pay a subscription fee for their little ass streaming service

I NEVER watch Steven stuff. I see Shane and Ryan I click. I feel Steven must have a different type of audience than all of us who came from Buzzfeed unsolved. His content doesn't appeal to me, clearly most of the subscribers agree judging by the views on his videos vs Ryan and Shanes. Real shame, and cringey 🙈 I want to reverse time for them so they can take this back lol.

Spot on with everything you have said. I never understood Steven being slowly added in. I never watch anything he’s in and skip his parts when they have him in videos

​@@molliesaunders5495Never understood??? He's the CEO and has an ego that needs to be fed.

@@molliesaunders5495 omg yes and what i get even less was making him the ceo like what was the thought process lol

I watched Worth It before just for fun, and I liked it. But honestly, I was watching it more for Andrew and Adam 😬

I felt the same. I loved their buzzfeed Unsolved, but their Watcher content is just not as fun to watch, and at times cringey. I've stopped watching them after they had the Garrett guy on.

@@nutsonice8923hey Garret is a sweet funny guy

Same! Loved them on Buzzfeed. Could NOT get into their cringe new crap. They are SO LUCKY people still watched their tacky ass ghost files, ect. They didn't know just HOW lucky they are until now. Fools!

@@nutsonice8923 oh my god, he is the most annoying person on the entire planet, i am convinced of that

@@tinand69420 lol yeah I get that. I mean he could be a nice guy irl..but for me his whole "golden retriever" energy on cam is sooo unbearable

Especially since before everyone got mad at them, they were planning on deleting everything from their KZfaq channel

They won’t. We’ll be watching “The Downfall of Watcher” here on KZfaq by the end of the year. I truly don’t see how they can ever recover from this. Even if they completely back track this decision, they’ve totally lost the trust of their fanbase.

We all already get so many subscriptions. Not gonna add another one.

As a former watcher fan, it actually means a lot that people who don’t usually watch them are coming in to defend us too 🥺 we can all agree this sucks.

lol maybe they thought everybody in their audience would be so high they wouldn't understand

@@WillyKillya I was high and I can tell you it is just as f*cky now that I'm sober

Did they become what they sought to destroy or merely reveal what they were all along?

Oof

6 dollars actually

Sail the seas!

@sideplus 😂

Rooster Teeth did it before they completely died. But they had been dying for years.

the only channel Id exempt this for is Lemmino, that guy makes some really nice documentaries that I think is worth paying for

no one owes you free high production content.

That Silicon Valley bro is literally Steven unfortunately lmao

If you read the terms of service when signing up, it actually says their videos are being hosted on Vimeo, so they didn’t even build their own full website that hosts its own videos

If you really didnt know greed makes ppl worse you had to be born yesterday

@@HeliodromusScorpio i knew it makes people worse, its just that i was taken aback that these people particularly became the recipient of greed itself. watching them for years, it feels like they arent the guys that would do such scummy things.

It was their dynamic and chemistry in videos for me as well.

I heard shane and ryan were the darlings that came from buzzfeed alongside the try guys...... Funny how things have turned out now.....

Yeah, I don't get what he meant by that? We are all human regardless of whether you use youtube or not lol.

@@DarkPhoenixSaga In fairness I learned how to be a human on myspace... my mum learned it through facebook =)

I doubt they'll have the same amount of people on their site as they have patrons ngl

100% most disappointed in Shane

for ONE channel. i pay for youtube premium for ALL channels lol this is delusional

My brain has messed up the term YT now it has like 2 meanings

Netflix seems to offer more than these dudes. That is just my opinion.

Especially because they only upload once a week and have less than 400 videos

​@@gamedev7088you are black.

True, like one of my favorite game (Mech Arena) let's just say it's not going well for them because of the same thing you said..

@@Tigerzeon there was also this one website I went to that designed "trainers" (pretty much a cheat code programs for pc games) called Cheat Happens. They went the same route and put all their game trainers behind pay walls....

Late state capitalism never fails to disappoint.

The internet was a lot smaller 10 years ago. People are also using ad blockers which means a site can't gain a revenue from that. I'm not defending this idiotic business decision by these guys (it will fail, badly) but too many people seem to think everything should be free even to the point where ads shouldn't exist. When ad blockers are collapsing the income for most sites out there, expect those sites to disappear or put up a paywall. Hosting costs money, bandwidth costs money, writing and producing and photography costs money. People should not starve to entertain you.

Im earlier than the brain dead ok boomer content

You forget people won't pay every month, they'll just pay once at the end of the season and binge everything. So, it's much worse.

@@KC-zw4mm ofc there is that, and also if you buy a yearly 60 sub instead!!! this was just a basic one to break it down for myself and everyone :) just to see black on white how many people they are expecting to sub *minimum* to make it break even with the same number as now. they want to make MORE.

Same, I started watching them again a few months ago, then they pull this

Keep crying loll that’s what you get for watching those weirdos😂

Alot of people aren't mentioning that. If you add up their pateron, and merch they didn't need to do this

@@FukaiKokoro$80 dollars for those hoodies aren’t even worth it for a 3m sub count. It’s just a basic black hoodie with their logo on it. Even Coryxkenshin with 19m subscribers has hoodies under $66 with awesome designs.

They always underestimate their own worth versus real world value.

i’m an elder millennial, 38, and i love this wholesome comment ♥️

I'm 27 I don't wanna get any older than this

​@@doggg4977I'm gonna be 25 when I finish my education Everything is kinda only starting at this age

33 here, I've always been able to understand and have personal experiences with both gen z and Gen x since I am kinda in the middle. I definitely watch this channel to keep current on hot topics.

I'm 40 and a geriatric millennial.

They have 12,000 patreons. Right now they're the only ones getting any info on this fiasco People subbed for a month just to get the deets...

I agree. People are creating content to line their pockets, not just out of curiosity and excitement anymore

​@@buhle7651 I mean ... I understand greed is bad, but I believe there is a big jump between greed and wanting your passion to be your job. It seems that a passion should not be paid based on these comments ?

Yep youtube paying people ruined it and has bankrupted them. They need to stop paying

The other thing is ....that's an American $6........in places like Australia that's closer to $10.......and in other countries, that's more like $100. But even if you could afford it, you are paying Netflix/Hulu money for 1 KZfaq channel......that's like saying "well you can afford $100 for shoes, so why can't you afford a $100 coffee?"......it's not the same value

I definitely pick to buy groceries for a week or less than paying to watch Steven Stupid Lame Lim eat steak with edible gold.

Well that's the thing nowadays....you can have "internet celebs" with millions of followers that no one's ever heard of... These people think they are "famous" when in reality 99.99% of people have never even heard of them.

Yeah you look like enjoy their content.

@@Wish_I_was_Righteous 🗿🗿🗿

Doesn't change the fact that they went along with it and chose it.

@@honestyisadyingvirtue and I hate that you're right

I only know Steven from Worth It, lol.

You can see they are both closed off, avoiding eye contact and their laughs are forced. They ABSOLUTELY hate it. But they still went through it 😢

Y do u guys fool urselves into thinking shane and Ryan aren't on board with this they could say no u dont know these guys, u kno the internet personalities, totally different thing they want ur money just like Steven does they aren't your friends

And when they come back they will have to start over after pissing off their fans.