This and That: 2022 Olympic Games Men's Recap with Viacheslav Zagorodniuk & Kamila Valieva Doping
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2 жыл бұрынViacheslav Zagorodniuk joins us to break down all of the performances at the 2022 Olympic Games. Nathan Chen was golden, Yuzuru Hanyu went for a quad axel, Yuma Kagiyama and Shoma Uno were medal worthy, and Jason Brown, Jun Hwan Cha, Keegan Messing, Boyang Jin, Kevin Aymoz and Daniel Grassl gave performances to remember. Then, we receive updates on the Kamila Valieva situation and discuss it in real time. It is a very special edition of 'This and That'!
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@DeepSeas.. 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s actually sweet that they’re giving Vincent a slot at the gala. He was completely blindsided by that positive test result and never got to say farewell with a final skate in the individual event. I think it’ll be extremely emotional and give him some closure.
@ManchirTserendagva 2 жыл бұрын
I hope he will skate to his Vincent program
@kristinab3838 2 жыл бұрын
@@ManchirTserendagva yes! He should be able to since he didn't compete it!
@bonnie9131 2 жыл бұрын
classy
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
I certainly understand the rationale, but the exhibition is a PERFORMANCE and Jason Brown is the best performer of all. So sad to learn he has been left out. Seems they should squeeze in one more given the circumstances.
@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын
@@MsAMusicLover yes and Jun wtf
@emallace447 2 жыл бұрын
Countless ROC and Eteri fans are doing mental gymnastics to try and excuse all of this. It's exhausting.
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
100%
@ChristieLily35 2 жыл бұрын
Yuma's dad's reaction was so priceless. Just how proud he was of Yuma and how openly he cried.
@bereasonable8018 2 жыл бұрын
I think Yuma might be the next star male skater.
@Jude74 2 жыл бұрын
@@bereasonable8018 I think so too. He’s got something that just makes you want to watch him.
@Sarah-uf5zg 2 жыл бұрын
I don't believe Hanyu blamed the hole on the ice for the 4S failure. He only talked about it but was accepting that it was likely from a toe jump so couldn't blame anyone but only his bad luck.
@emana6824 2 жыл бұрын
hanyu's ankle is barely hanging. i think he thought if i will break it, it would be on quad axel not the loop.😅 and by the way. he didn't blame the ice. he just explain what happened which his edge got caught. poor guy , he gets alot of hate because of his crazy fans.
@kittyslinxalott7815 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you having guests - they never disappoint and always bring an interesting perspective. Fantastic hearing Zagorodnuik’s thoughts. I understand Jonathan’s desire to see the best of the best at the Olympics and not have country quotas. By contrast some of my favourite moments in the men’s competition came from seeing the joy of Majorov at being able to compete, the happiness of Donovan Carillo at making the free skate and the relief from Brendan Kerry at having two clean skates. That’s part of my memories of the Olympics. And yes I am from a small (non competitive skating) country so that may influence my perspective! 😀
@yohanes2034 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, even though it's sucks like I'd want more Korean, Japanese, Russian ladies and more Japanese men but at the end it's the Olympic. It should be the event where all countries can participate and show what they can do in the big stage. It's important for the development of the sport in small skating fed. If I were to change the quota, I'd like ISU to provide like wildcard spots (may it be 2 or 3 spots) on top of maximum 3 spots/ country. And they can have fun with how they determine that wildcard. Maybe season best? Audience favorite? etc.
@TheVisga 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed Majorov!!
@freedomlife3623 2 жыл бұрын
I always happy to see skaters manage to have their SB at Olympic competition. They certainly should be proud of their accomplishments.
@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын
They need wild card spots for the best
@1chienandalou 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked this guest too!
@carolinedavis6557 2 жыл бұрын
Highlights - Brendan Kerry’s emotional short program and free personal best, Carrillo fighting in the free skate, Sinnerman, and the amazing and adorable Olympic debut of Kagiyama - he has so much charisma. Hanyu being in love with his sport was beautiful to see.
@AsianBabbii0209 2 жыл бұрын
The JSF didn't ask yuzuru to skate for the team comp. He found out that he wasn't in the team comp and thats when he decided to come a little later. This, i think was said in an interview
@nuts_bout_you 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's right.
@naailtariq5930 2 жыл бұрын
What I have appreciated about this show from the beginning is your holistic view of sports - technical and artistic analysis, geopolitics and interpersonal politics, abuse, scandals, and psychology. You guys do a good job and are also very articulate.
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын
The best
@PeiwenTanbassoon821 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of run-throughs Eteri makes her skaters do is ridiculous but the schools that “don’t believe in run-throughs” with all the inconsistent skaters also puzzle me…why not a happy medium? 🤔
@harveygirl95 2 жыл бұрын
Agree. I’m an adult skater and can do about 3 run-throughs on my best day. There are younger skaters at my rink who do on average 3 run throughs per session, and it does not appear to take a huge toll on them, granted they are doing doubles and not quads.
@soapygirl83 2 жыл бұрын
I am not an expert on training but it does seem questionable to not train run throughs because this is such a mental sport and the mental preparation is just as important as physical being able to mentally prepare and deal with training a full program would be important.
@colleenshaughnessy7081 2 жыл бұрын
Nathan had the same little smile at the start and the same BOOM BOOM at the 2019 GPF. 😁
@kuklakid 2 жыл бұрын
You got it!
@Unfiltered494 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, that sheer joy of Nathan Chen in the second half of his program deserved all the GOEs and PCSs for me. It was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen on Olympic ice and it really is so rare to see someone release so early into the program. Four jumps in, he already knew. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. And that quad lutz... probably the most perfectly timed quad jump of all time. Also, imagine being so legendary that you fake people out with a casually added quad jump 😅 Nathan and Raf are just something else.
@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын
His PCS is always overscored but his performance was good after the 2nd lutz it was a fantastic jump
@deirdrekiely6187 2 жыл бұрын
PCS is about a LOT more than just showing you're happy about skating well. Don't cheapen the value of PCS by saying it should be high just because a skater smiles.
@Unfiltered494 2 жыл бұрын
@@deirdrekiely6187 OMG people. Obviously I wasn't being serious, I don't ACTUALLY think being happy on ice is the reason for high GOE and PCS. It's just that seeing him so happy made me enjoy that performance so much I don't really care about the score, it was just such an Olympic moment and a true pleasure to watch. I really didn't think I was gonna have to explain it lol I think the whole skating community just needs to chill right now.
@shrutirraman3191 2 жыл бұрын
@@Unfiltered494 Yeah, it's so true. Everytime I go back to his program it makes me smile 😁
@user-jy8zb2wc8l 2 жыл бұрын
Yuzu really sacrificed the last few years trying that 4A over the easy path. He did his best and hopefully he can make peace with that.
@freedomlife3623 2 жыл бұрын
Probably that’s what motivated him continue with his skating journey. He has won all the titles twice over, he needs something to chase.
@rop888 2 жыл бұрын
Not like he had much of a choice. He was losing already before that. The 4lz didn't work out, the 5 quads didn't work out, the 4A is something Nathan can't do so he thought that might be enough to give him a bit of an edge. Personally, the whole talk surrounding the 4A is annoying since it was never going to help him win and he knows that, but the press/his fans and even himself pushed that narrative. Now it's reached a time where he can't just not beat Nathan, but can't beat other men either.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
Except that it robbed all his fans from the chance to watch one last perfectly beautiful Olympic skate. I would have appreciated the opportunity to watch his grace in motion one more time on the Olympic ice. All the falls made that hard.
@maple8859 2 жыл бұрын
@@MsAMusicLover we always have KZfaq to look at older performances. I, for one, highly admire him for trying something as complicated as a 4A, rather than repeat a program and keep it safe. He’s had countless clean programs.
@qweenie7544 2 жыл бұрын
@@rop888 he can beat other man we saw it in the japanese nationals but clearly they don't want him to win anymore lol no matter what he does, won't be rewarded. i think that's why he thought his only chance is 4a
@evanperilstein5308 2 жыл бұрын
I’m ready to get the pitchforks for Eteri & Company. Danny G can be the first to go for his treatment of Kosto.
@JosedeJezeus 2 жыл бұрын
The Eteri results mean NOTHING NOW. This scandal is SUCH a big deal, because it suggests that *WOMEN CAN'T COMPETE QUADS WITHOUT DOPING.* End the madness. women can only complete quads if they dope during training, and use cheated technique.
@freedomlife3623 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosedeJezeus not true. Rekha has completed a quadsal in her last competition.
@JosedeJezeus 2 жыл бұрын
@@freedomlife3623 And look at what it did to her body. Women should be banned from doing quads, because it WILL encourage doping.
@fzztsimmons 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just here to say how happy I was for Jason to put down two clean skates AT THE OLYMPICS!! Closing out the SP with Sinnerman has become a core memory for me - it was phenomenal. The fact e came SIXTH at the 2022 Olympics with a double axel in his free skate is just testament to his mastery of the blade and performance! I actually can't get over the fact that if he hadn't popped the sal in combination he would have been fourth!! But clean SL was a masterpiece - I hope he's proud of himself. I know he's made no decision about retiring and has said he will remain involved in the support whether through coaching or choreography, but honestly I'm not ready to say goodbye to competitive skates from Jason yet :(
@Rachel-rs7jn 2 жыл бұрын
Well, and if he hadn't doubled that last salchow, he would've come in 4th!!!!
@janisseraneses4823 2 жыл бұрын
I also love watching Jason's programs (yes even the Hamilton one which many fans hated... so sue me haha). I'm not ready to see him leave competitive skating. However, retiring may be the best move because the way the scoring goes does not give any advantage at all to PCS and/or GOE skaters. Crazy tech content + okay jump landings + consistency is the key right now. The PCS and GOE will rise even if not necessarily deserved. Like I'm impressed with Nathan and all and his wins are correct, but I don't know that he can be classified as a PCS skater and his jump landings are just okay/so-so but not great (for example, compare his 4Lz to Boyang's successful 4Lz), yet he gets high PCS and GOE. Nathan got higher PCS than Jason, even the Transitions mark wth (justice for my idol Jason please T_T).
@Rachel-rs7jn 2 жыл бұрын
@@janisseraneses4823 I agree with you. I think if, after the Olympics, ISU redid the weighting to make the PCS weight be more in line with the new higher content, it would be worth sticking around.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
100% with you in the Jason Brown fan club. I find 6 quals in a program repetitive and boring. Jason's programs are fully realized pieces of art -- mesmerizing. His programs have brought so much joy to my life over the past 10 years, I am not ready to let go! I suspect he will retire from competitive skating, but I hope he continues show skating for a bit. Nathan is amazing but Jason is the reason I will be checking out the Stars on Ice tour lineup for the next 3 years.
@janisseraneses4823 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rachel-rs7jn Depends if judges will correctly score PCS. Because the problem is not just the weight of PCS, the bigger issue is how judges award PCS. Nothing will change if judges keep scoring PCS incorrectly even if they adjusted the weight. No hate on Nathan or any other skater, but it's frustrating to see him get higher PCS than Jason (even his Transitions mark is higher than Jason's cmon). As pointed out in TSL multiple times, judges do not correctly award PCS. If someone skated a generally clean program that has difficult content + he's a medal favorite + he's consistent all the time, his PCS will just rise over time even if not reflected by the skating. Like Jason should be way above most skaters in PCS, but we don't see that. :(
@janseb6750 2 жыл бұрын
It seems that the team event wasn't Yuzuru's decision. When asked about why he came late he said he made the decision when the team for was announced. So that could mean it wasn't his decision.
@Rachel-rs7jn 2 жыл бұрын
If Kamila competes, the message is even worse than a green light to the coaches to continue. It's that they should continue doping, making sure to pick minors only so they won't get disqualified.
@littleblackpistol 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. As it is, we all know the likelihood is the entire ROC team has been fed who knows what PEDs throughout training. If they allow the one who they got sloppy with enough to get her caught on the ice because she's a child, they may as well send Eteri a letter of congrats for gaming the system in the ultimate manner.
@karinacabrera1833 2 жыл бұрын
Bless you both! Been waiting for this all day. Been enjoying your As The Blade Turns videos Dave. Well done!
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@linaria17 2 жыл бұрын
If you watch the congratulatory video from USFS for Nathan’s win I think Evan Lysacek’s advice really hit it spot on (and you guys touched on it too)- on how rare it is for an OG medalist to really enjoy such a moment when they are under so much pressure. My heart is so full for Nathan!! I hope he keeps skating!!
@wotanworld5504 2 жыл бұрын
CONGRATULATIONS TO NATHAN! Totally deserved and it feels really right. To me Yuma is everything. That ease, that knee-bend, that insouciance, joy... absolutely enchanting. I thought I would quit following figure skating after 2022 -- with Gabriella & Guillaume retiring -- but now, with that energy from Yuma, I may stay in the FS fandom a bit longer. ;) As for the interview with Slava, it's tiring. He often doesn't understand questions and then speaks too much without converging... Bless him.
@CaraMarie13 2 жыл бұрын
Even with this stuff happening with Kamila (which should really be called the stuff happening with Sambo70), thinking about Nathan's performance in the free skate still brings a big smile to my face. It is rare to see an athletes enjoy the moment as it's happening and you could just see that Nathan knew it was his. Like he wasn't just enjoying the moment, he also looked very happy. And happy in a way that it's not just for the performance. So great on him for controlling his story. I wasn't even upset about the shirt. If wild shirts is his security blanket, so be it. I was upset at that undershirt but i guess he got the complain (though i wasn't one of those complaining) about his stomach always showing during his spins.
@jyanneskye2535 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not annoyed. Just worried that he will catch a cold. Lols. My maternal instincts kick in whenever his belly shows up during the spins lols
@koalaskating4863 2 жыл бұрын
That was quick! Thanks for all your hard work!! Going to enjoy this 2 hour Recap!!
@GF2445 2 жыл бұрын
Only three men skated clean free programs with no negative GOE- Nathan, Jason, and….. Brendan Kerry.
@Rachel-rs7jn 2 жыл бұрын
Was watching with my boyfriend, who knows nothing about figure skating, and until Nathan, Brendan Kerry was his favorite.
@lollypop2414 2 жыл бұрын
Brendan was fantastic! Definitely the best I've ever seen him skate.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
My friend was in a sports bar, with a bunch of bros watching basketball, and when Jason took the ice, everyone stopped. The bar put on the Olympic sound and turned off the basketball audio, and this bar full of bros stood transfixed watching Jason skate. And of course they were totally impressed with and cheering for Nathan - goes without saying. Was nice to hear that story. (Also, funny, one of the bros who had seen Jason's Sinnerman said "but isn't that guy too masculine and butch to be a figure skater". Ha! Shows what an amazing performer Jason is.)
@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын
Says it all
@selenity08 2 жыл бұрын
We appreciate all of your coverage throughout the doping scandal and recaps
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@maria375s 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dave and Jonathan for your hard work and dedication to keep us well informed about this sport! Always look forward to your recaps!
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
❤️❤️
@mwhite9084 2 жыл бұрын
Did you see kamila after the long program for the Team event? She looked labored and like she was going to fall over and pass out right after the program was over. Did anyone peep that at all? Similar to Sherbacova before the Europeans.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, my maternal instinct went into full anxiety mode. I was so worried for her.
@ASRIBEIRIO 2 жыл бұрын
the punishment was literally Russia got to have the most beautiful national anthem lol (tchaikovsky)
@etherealtb6021 2 жыл бұрын
Lol. I do love their real actual National Anthem. But I love National Anthems, for some bizzare reason! 🤣
@lilibetp 2 жыл бұрын
@@etherealtb6021 I do, too.
@KuroKuroChannel 2 жыл бұрын
"Sh*t happening endlessly" LOL.... I want to let you know that I enjoy your commentary but I think I've said that too many times. It just makes my day. (Can't tell you how many times I checked your channel for new videos during the 2022 Winter Olympics ❤️❤️❤️
@mjsison292900 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this! Thanks Dave and Jonathan! ❤️
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@NG-ue4th 2 жыл бұрын
You know, if someone told me right after the 2018 Pyongyang mens fs, that the only one from that podium who would make it to the next olympics podium will be shoma uno, I'd be utterly shocked. But here we are, the mad man has done it and I'm just so impressed
@Plaspos 2 жыл бұрын
I mean he was the youngest!
@pennyinheaven 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I was expecting Shoma to have at least silver. It was his chance after all but after Yuzu, it's Yuma whom he has to surpass. Idk anymore.
@NG-ue4th 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed...it's just, there was a period in his career post olympics pre lambiel when his situation was a hot mess all the way until this season as well as him being Japanese meant that he was gonna be always overshadowed by yuzuru
@aishahosman2465 2 жыл бұрын
Really happy for him after everything he’s been through
@CelesteBou 2 жыл бұрын
Well he was the youngest one, the one with the highest base value and he always (rightfully) earned very high PCs. So it's no surprise
@klee2275 2 жыл бұрын
With Hanyu's stamina, I don't think he would be able to handle team event so it was best he didn't do it. Also, I don't think outcome would be different.
@janisseraneses4823 2 жыл бұрын
Wow a 2-hour recap! Thanks for the episode (you've been doing a lot with all the stuff that's happening).
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it!
@natalicarolina4544 2 жыл бұрын
so many episodes of this and that this month, thanks dave!
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@carlairis3889 2 жыл бұрын
Jonathan, Nathan cited Massimo Scali working with him since November and addressing the musical details and other nuances. Also showing what he was feeling during the skates. See Phil Hersh's excellent article, dated either 2/11 or 2/12/22. Also very lovely: Raf supported Scali's work and presence.
@janisseraneses4823 2 жыл бұрын
Nathan's win! So great for him (and now those casual viewers, many of them American, who bashed him in 2018 could suck it). He's been so dominant consistently this quadrennial, I wonder if he'll go through with what he said before about taking a break from skating (i.e., retirement most likely) after Beijing 2022. Honestly not sure if he'll move on to other things in his life or keep competing. Not enthusiastic about Shoma's Bolero either but his is way better than the other Boleros this season. So I guess I actually like Shoma's Bolero at the end of it all haha. Jun skating to Turandot in the same group as Shoma made me remember and miss Shoma's Turandot in 2018 which I LOVE! And I was hoping you'd offer thoughts about why Jun and Jason, 5th and 6th placers, weren't invited to the gala exhibition. No hate on Morisi and Keegan, but I don't think they're more popular and more "exhibition-type" skaters than Jun and Jason. I do think Vincent was invited as sort of consolation for being unable to perform due to COVID. And what the heck, there are death threats? Crazy funny in a way. How did the fans even zero in on Mozalev out of all the other skaters? 😅 As for Yuzu, I agree he may suffer from lack of/limited audience. I think he gets extra energy from the crowd. There are speculations that he's without a coach due to disagreement in the preferred approach to the Olympics (just like when Yuzu got injured leading up to 2018 OG, Brian may have also tried to convince Yuzu to ditch the 4A after he got injured before NHK last year). I do wonder why Yuzu did not just opt to have a Japanese coach with him. And I wonder if he'll retire now or keep going. I watched some interview clips where he said that he worked hard, gave it everything he had, and he doesn't regret since he left nothing behind (although of course he is disappointed which is normal for a high-level athlete to feel).
@yohanes2034 2 жыл бұрын
I guess it would be disagreement with how to approach the competition. Brian would obviously advise Yuzuru to ditch 4A. Now regarding why he chose to sit alone in K&C, I guess it's to signify that the choice is his alone and he didn't want to bother Orser
@ManchirTserendagva 2 жыл бұрын
I want to see Nathan continue. I believe he has a lot more left to offer & grow.
@janisseraneses4823 2 жыл бұрын
@@ManchirTserendagva Depends on him and what his plans are I guess. I mean he's still young and he always seems to be healthy/uninjured even with all those quads he does (by healthy/uninjured, I mean that Nathan hasn't had to pull out of competition due to injury since he turned full senior in the 2016-2017 season). I also observe that most top athletes do prefer to go out when they're on top / when they have a medal (just to name a few, Zagitova, Osmond, Javi, Plushenko after getting a team gold in Sochi, the Shibutanis, Duhamel), so this may also factor in Nathan's decision.
@janisseraneses4823 2 жыл бұрын
@@yohanes2034 Yes, although I think since he's in Japan, he could've gotten a Japanese coach, manager, or just anyone to have with him (just like in his earlier seasons with Brian). Even just to ensure that things are generally safe and for someone to be there just in case something major goes wrong (we have seen a number of in-competition incidents where it took a while for the med team to get on the ice, even with an athlete's dedicated coaching staff surely pushing for them to get there). If Yuzu chooses to continue, I do hope he has proper coaching. If he wants to master the 4A and Brian/his team can't support him, he could always look for a technically sound coach who will want to support him in his journey. There's no reason to be unsafe and practice/compete w/o a coach.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
I hope Nathan will continue competing -- he is only 22! So nice to see the US men's figure skating program so strong. And with that young Ilian Milinin coming up the ranks, things are looking good.
@haikushfotlyan4367 2 жыл бұрын
Love Yuma..such beautiful jumps and skating skills
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@kimcavagna2082 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video, lots of information here that we’re not hearing anywhere else. ❤️
@zhonglaoshi1 2 жыл бұрын
I can understand Inviting Vincent for gala since he is an American born Chinese and he missed the competition due to the Covid positive test.
@aishahosman2465 2 жыл бұрын
I’m also not a fan of Bolero, I never thought Shoma connected to the piece and you can see him struggle to project it, smth that shouldn’t be an issue for him. But it sounds a lot like Stéphane pushed for him to do it and Shoma just wants to reach his expectations. I think Stéphane is overall good for instilling belief in Shoma. I just hope next season they outsource different choreographers Bc I’m not sure Shoma and Stephane’s style matches
@bettybleu12 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto. But the orchestral version of Bolera was much better. I still much prefer last years’ soft lyrical David Wilsons music and choreo. The pacing of the music I think would keep Shomo steady.
@aishahosman2465 2 жыл бұрын
@@bettybleu12 absolutely agree it was a gorgeous programme, maybe they can get David Wilson to come in again
@bettybleu12 2 жыл бұрын
@Xia Xia I hope he continues to skate for the next Olympics. He’s always been in the shadow of Hanyu, and now Yumi. Shomo needs to shine on his own. His talent and style warrants it.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
Figure skating needs to break up with Bolero. They should have "retired the number" after Torvill and Dean.
@josiemiller7159 2 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this!
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@AdilaCantara 2 жыл бұрын
Yuzuru's goal since Peongchang has been the 4A. After Sochi, he said his goal was to win another gold in 4 years...which he did. Would he have liked another gold? Sure. Was it his focus for the last 4 years? No. He wanted to try something new...to push the sport to a new level. He has already won everything. He has nothing left to prove to anyone. This jump was something he strongly believes in, and I for one, applaud his courage for trying it. Take a look at the development of the quad. It has to start somewhere, why not with Yuzuru? And here we are just a few months after the Olympics and Ilia has posted video of his successful 4A.
@Essylte 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your news reporting, guys! Really appreciate your coverage on Valieva's situation. Hope you're getting enough rest. Nathan did excellently, and won deservedly. I hated his shirt, though. So proud of Yuma - I knew he could get on the podium above Shoma, too! Shoma is a two-time Olympic medallist now, which is good for him. Yuzuru going for the 4A was momentous, even if he fell on that and the 4S in the Free. Honestly, it was just Olympic worthy to see him in Beijing at all. Donovan Carrillo made history for his country, Adam Siao Hsim Fa with his Star Wars program was EPIC!! Jason's Sinnerman was great to see, too.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like if NATHAN had just TUCKED IN THE DARN SHIRT it would have been fine. It was distracting flopping around his waist. (Can you tell I raised two boys?)
@kellymoran7001 2 жыл бұрын
Shoma is a THREE time Olympic medalist now because of his bronze from the team event and two individual medals - which I believe makes him the most decorated Japanese skater in Olympic history!
@ManchirTserendagva 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed men's competition. Nathan's SP was undeniably superb. I think Nathan's Rocketman FS, comet costume(this colour combo I quite liked) and whole packaging went really well together 💥. It was fresh, fun, uplifting & had different vibe from other long programs of the last group. I was yelling Yes after his every jump landed.
@joannwill9748 2 жыл бұрын
Did you happen to notice the way Eteri stared down/studied Nathan Chen waiting by the boards prior to his warm up prior to his short program? It was just creepy.
@Susan42375 2 жыл бұрын
Who cares what Eteri stares at and who. Nathan was superb.
@Plaspos 2 жыл бұрын
@@Susan42375 we are worried she is going to curse him
@Agnieszka-sm6hd 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Eteri studied Nathan's technique 4Lz and 4F for her students?
@Xosidhe 2 жыл бұрын
She’s had so much Botox I don’t think you can put too much weight on interpreting her facial expressions.
@pennyinheaven 2 жыл бұрын
@@Xosidhe Oh gosh, I didn't expect to laugh at this.
@bettybleu12 2 жыл бұрын
Dave, Jonathan, I hope you’re taking a PTO from your day job. I don’t know how you’re able to firm out such great reviews and interviews. Plus, the CYA live. Last Mens short CYA was my first Patreon. So much fun. Thanks for the shout as well. Adriana Bettybleu sends high five.
@tvforeverus 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you posted this on a Thursday evening (two hours ago)…and more information is already out from the IOC on what happened in December and what could happen moving forward. Life moves fast doesn’t it?
@dreamygirl1994 2 жыл бұрын
Jonathan said that after Yuzuru finished his performance he felt like ohh were back on earth again and during an interview after the competition said that his program was about being between earth and heaven and if thats what people get from it then he's achieved his goal so I would say that Johnathan may have felt the meaning and purpose behind Yuzuru skating this time. as for why Yuzuru may not have skated at the team event Shizuka Arakawa who's part of Yuzuru's camp has said that Yuzuru skated without being able to feel his right foot at all so there might have been a medical consultation with his doctors in japan weather he should be skating at all, and he was seen icing his foot in the waiting room after he finished his program. Yuzuru does seem to be quit a private guy and even his coach Brian Orser has said that about him in interviews before so we may never get the full story behind wether he actually was fully healed from his injury while skating in this Olympic cycle. I don't think Yuzuru chose not to have a coach because he thinks he's the best like Slav said (his ego), he has spoken about his fear for the health of the people around his and the virus that has been spreading, and he did not mention or insinuate that ha's the best or he was approaching this olympics to win, even when he was interviewed after his shot program he said i'm not afraid of anything his goal was simply to showcase something people could enjoy.
@JosedeJezeus 2 жыл бұрын
Yuzu's ankle is destroyed. Hus foot was numb while he skated? Was hi injected with pain meds like Yuna in 2014?
@hasnaeatif4381 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosedeJezeus he took painkillers for the free as he sprained his right leg the day before. this was revealed later with pics of him icing his swollen ankle after the fp
@triplea_qgb1963 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosedeJezeus he had to get a pain injection for the free.
@shantarakelian1998 2 жыл бұрын
Timestamps in progress: 0:00 Introduction 0:34 Jonathan’s perspective on Kamila Valieva and the intense situation she is in currently. Jonathan believed that Kamala is the innocent victim in all of this and I have to agree. 1:30 Dave states that we have been talking about this for years, he believes like many of us that this is unfortunate that this happened and may rob someone of an Olympic Experience that they may never get again. (Russian womens skating is like a revolving door). And also good that this happened because it has been an open secret for years now 1:55 US view on doping (more individualized and not state sponsored) 2:05-2:18 in no way is that Kamila is responsible or blamed for this situation, for all we know she could have been taking these drugs for years 2:24 why are there 11 year olds doing quads, begs to ask a lot of questions 2:48 certain pair skaters that train with Nina Mozer 27:47 Nathan Chen 33:10 Yuma Kagiyama 33:50 Yuzuru Hanyu, so so so close on that quad Axel. The height was crazy!!! I thought it was a q 34:55 Christine Brennan interview (I did watch this today actually) 36:16 back to Yuzuru Hanyu, so much determination he is the two time Olympic champion for a reason. Too bad this time around I’m not sure if he will go for another cycle but anything is possible really. I loved how he went for the quad Axel it was so so close in my opinion. 40:46 Shoma Uno. Great Short, loved it so much! 44:20 Jason Brown, just amazing! That last spin in Schindler’s List was absolutely stunning and was so well timed with the music (deserved a +5 in my opinion) 44:58 Doping Scandal update as everything hopefully soon unfolds for better or for worse 52:44 Back to Jason Brown 53:30 Junhwan Cha 55:08 Jin Boyang, great performances here in Beijing, must have had so much pressure on him as the only mens entry for China 55:48 Daniel Grassl, technically did well, artistically needs to develop and improve more. It’s his weakest area, his spins although difficult I’m not sure if he is maximizing the level 4 or not, I’ll revisit his scores again to see what his spins received
@qiwi2980 2 жыл бұрын
27:47 Nathan Chen 33:10 Yuma Kagiyama 33:50 Yuzuru Hanyu 34:55 Christine Brennan 36:16 back to Hanyu 40:46 Shoma Uno 44:20 Jason Brown 44:58 Doping scandal update 52:44 back to Brown 53:30 Junhwan Cha 55:08 Boyang Jin 55:48 Daniel Grassl 56:35 Kévin Aymoz, Evgeni Semenenko, Mark Kondratiuk 57:40 Keegan Messing, Roman Sadovsky 1:02:21 Adam Siao Him Fa, Deniss Vasiljevs, Matteo Rizzo 1:02:40 Momemt of the night Part 2 with Vyacheslav Zagorodnyuk 1:05:55 Self introduction 1:08:04 2-per country rule, Slava's 4A attempt 1:19:13 Yuzuru Hanyu, being coachless 1:26:14 Nathan Chen, predictions for next olympic cycle 1:31:59 Ilia Malinin 1:33:14 Shoma Uno 1:36:27 back to back competitions, predictions for ladies' event 1:42:23 Yuma Kagiyama 1:44:54 Rambo 70 3A 1:46:20 Yuzuru Hanyu hole in the ice? 1:49:32 Morisi Kvitelashvili 1:52:23 Daniel Grassl 1:53:33 Jason Brown 1:54:11 Junhwan Cha, weight monotoring at Rambo 70 1:58:22 Highlight of the event, Boyang Jin, chinese system
@shantarakelian1998 2 жыл бұрын
@@qiwi2980 thanks! It honestly would have taken me so long to get to that point. Maybe I’m too detailed in my timestamps lol that’s why I’m always so behind haha.
@shantarakelian1998 2 жыл бұрын
@@qiwi2980 oh my thank you so very much, I unexpectedly got busy today! You are so helpful!
@alexmoya8841 2 жыл бұрын
What is the deal with Yuzuru and Brian Orser? I know Covid prevented them from training together- but are they on the outs now?
@shantarakelian1998 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexmoya8841 I actually don’t know I always found their personalities to be quite polarizing. I’m not sure how to properly answer your question
@EM-rm2xh 2 жыл бұрын
JSF didn't invite Yuzuru to the team event, so that's why he decided to come later. The Japanese judge also placed him 6th after the free skate when almost all the other judges placed him 4th. I don't know what's going on, but I don't think it's fair to say it's his fans pushing him to keep putting in increasingly difficult elements when it's pretty clear he doesn't have a lot of support from even his own federation, much less from international judges. Also, what happened to Hanyu is the same thing that happened to Mao (blade getting caught & messing up the first jumping pass). There's pretty clear pictures of the hole and the path of his blade going over it, and he told staff about it after his skate. Yuzuru's always been really upfront during interviews about why he's made mistakes (either just not being focused or making a mistake with his axis), so I don't think he's lying about this. He basically said, it was just really unfortunate but that nothing can be done about it. I just want to clarify, because I feel like you're really misinterpreting a lot of things.
@janseb6750 2 жыл бұрын
People seem to think he was putting blame on someone or making excuses, when a really important thing was missed: The way he dealt with it during the program and after. He said to himself it was just bad luck and moved on. And that's what's impressive and inspiring about him.
@pennyinheaven 2 жыл бұрын
No one really wants to listen when people explain..
@ManchirTserendagva 2 жыл бұрын
It definitely makes me wonder why he has had a fall out with his long time coach & his own federation 🤔
@pennyinheaven 2 жыл бұрын
@@ManchirTserendagva Probably 4A with his coaches. JSF is a mystery to me, they've been like this since way back.
@EM-rm2xh 2 жыл бұрын
@@ManchirTserendagva They didn't have a fallout (they saw each other in the warm up area and fist bumped/greeted each other). Covid did disrupt their old routine and made it pretty difficult for any sort of meaningful training as Yuzuru was in Japan and Orser in Canada. Plus, I think Yuzuru just wanted to focus on the quad axel and didn't want anything to distract from that.
@Boymanjusri 2 жыл бұрын
I agree Zagorodnuik’s opinion about Jin. He is very on point. I am not sure if Dave and Jonathan understand what he was talking about though. The system in China, the coach consider the skater as their personal property that leaves no room for growth potential for the skater. And once that skater became established and considered as the one, all resources will only go to that skater. Nobody else get any resource or any chance. Therefore this system may help created on or two outstanding skaters / pairs for some extended period of time such as Zhao/ Shen, ans Sui/ Han, or Lu Chen, or Jin. But once they retire of have some injury or bad form there is nobody there to come up. This particularly way of identifying and cultivating talents sometimes can be very efficient, but it lacks the system to nurture a field of depth, it also promote systemic corruption, further, because early coach consider talented skater as their personal property. There seem little room from future development with international coaches. ( see how Lu Chen and Li Mingzhu relationship fell apart and also the disastrous infighting which caused Chen’s declining form after 1996 worlds)
@msmo2060 2 жыл бұрын
There’s just no way they can possibly reward this behavior with a gold medal…. Someone , possibly a child , could really suffer devastating health consequences from the bad decisions of the adults put in place to protect them.
@isabellao18 2 жыл бұрын
"One natural, one I don't think so" OMG I'm dying and I don't know why 😂
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@freddyc8098 2 жыл бұрын
How exciting to see Viacheslav! Wasn’t expecting that treat.
@kikukoshinchi320 2 жыл бұрын
To some who think JSF did not ask Yuzuru to be on the team event, just for the fact, JSF has not officially said whom they asked and who accepted. At the interview after Olympic team selection, Yuzuru did not want to address questions about team event while everyone else said they would be happy to come tribute if selected, which seemed to me the he did not want to do the team event. I wouldn’t be surprised if JSF took that as a hint. And I think it is also likely that Yuzu is just referring to the final confirmation he got about team selection because even if he had declined when asked the first time, JSF might have told him they would take his preference into consideration but they will make the final decision bearing in mind other members’ circumstances. At least that is what I would do if I was the federation.
@ManchirTserendagva 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting viewpoints & inputs from Mr.Zagorodnyuk. Thank you so much
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@stevrelove180 2 жыл бұрын
Tks for sharing my heart breaking for yuzu and happy for nathan .take care guy and love u two so much
@michellem.6854 2 жыл бұрын
Viacheslav came across as nice and down to earth. Loved the interview - Great questions, and I appreciate a different cultural perspective.
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@elizabethlockhart8044 2 жыл бұрын
Staying up past my bedtime just for you. Thank you!
@celestebourdouane6443 2 жыл бұрын
I was a big Slava Z. fan back in the 90's so I am having a bit of a fangirl moment. Loved hearing his perspective on today's skaters. He looks great!
@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful addition to your great list of guests
@khinsushein4906 2 жыл бұрын
The Olympics are airing the in the very morning early and each time i can not get up early so i missed all of team events and watched only the resumes. But I had managed to get up at 2h30 am to watch men FP. Bravo to Nathan Chen and the whole USA team + the same night Chole Kim, Suni Lee won also gold + Nathan Chen = 3 Golds at the same night, really a Big Bravo to USA team and that night it was also a victory for Asian American. In addition, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th are Japanese and the 5th is also went to the Korean. I feel really happy. Wherever we live, once the equal chances are given, we can make it. Thanks also for the coverup of the whole doping story and information of all kinds on this channel.
@ManchirTserendagva 2 жыл бұрын
As an asian, I also felt really great to watch the last skating group on men's competition.
@AuroraR 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! ❤️
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
@spamisyuckie 2 жыл бұрын
You guys deserve all the flowers after this season
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
❤️❤️
@robamell4216 2 жыл бұрын
i feel more sorry for usa ,japanese, canadian and other women athletes that also train hard and deserve a fair chance. if kamila is not banned this will be a huge stain on ice skating. am so tired of the lack of ethics and dirty politics. there should be a real investigation on russian doping.
@JosedeJezeus 2 жыл бұрын
women's figure skating is ALREADY stained beyond repair, because Eteri has been winning almost everything since 2016! This scandal is SO BIG, because the feminists of the world are cheering the fact that women are completing quads in competition... But now we KNOW the truth: the quads being performed by women are FRAUDULENT. End the madness. Ban quads in women's figure skating. STOP THE DOPING.
@courtneysokal6590 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosedeJezeus Feminists? Lol that’s a stretch. I’m a feminist and am disgusted by Eteri, her team, and the Russian federation.
@JosedeJezeus 2 жыл бұрын
@@courtneysokal6590 and how disappointed are you that the only quads performed in the women's figure skating are only possible because of cheated technique and DOPINg. QUADS *MUST* be banned in women's figure skating. Stop sacrificing little girl's body.
@courtneysokal6590 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosedeJezeus Of course I’m disappointed. But I’ve also never been wowed by these little girls doing these big jumps either. I’ve long suspected questionable tactics from the Russians and Eteri, et al in particular. It makes no sense that all of a sudden these girls would start doing these crazy elements one after another. And it has always made me sad that longevity in women’s figure skating has all but disappeared.
@courtneysokal6590 2 жыл бұрын
@@JosedeJezeus I’ll add that I don’t think quads should be banned. I tried them myself and it was an exciting challenge. But the way things have gone… our sport is in dire straits.
@holiday_jeeneewoo47 2 жыл бұрын
Trimetazidine is listed in the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) prohibited substances list under the category of "hormone and metabolic modulators",and its use is prohibited at all times "in- and out-of-competition."
@birgitangermair4483 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I didn`t know that ... I thought it was allowed in practice sessions....
@rachelguapa11 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed Shoma and Yuma duo at Olympics, I think they should really consider training together and it would be beneficial for both of them.
@flywings111 2 жыл бұрын
they are already training together in Japan
@mtsanri 2 жыл бұрын
Their matching costumes were funny 😂 They looked like bodyguards/mascots next to Nathan
@AT-jm4dl 2 жыл бұрын
@@flywings111 Shoma trains in Switzerland with Lambiel.
@krisfujimoto72 2 жыл бұрын
Tough topic; but you guys have the guts to talk about this. This needs to be discussed.
@elisabethanderson7124 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dave and Jonathan for discussing the responsibility of the parents. That was one of my first thoughts when the news broke about Kamila. I don't want to diminish the responsibility of those - whoever they are - who give children banned drugs to enable them to train more, but where are Kamila's parents in all this? A parent's job is to protect the child from harm. Were they kept in the dark about her medication? If that is the case I would expect them to report it to the police... Have they? Not only does their talented and hard working daughter now risk being labeled a cheater, but possibly that medication could be detrimental to her health in the long run.
@novascotiaskater1868 2 жыл бұрын
We have never heard from Russian skaters parents…. It’s like they don’t even exist. I don’t know if it’s a cultural thing or a russian skating thing but the parents of Russian skaters aren’t even a part of anything in the way American/ Canadian / Asian parents are highlighted…..
@72586jejones 2 жыл бұрын
I think it is very different for them than it is for us. We forget these kids are snatched away from home at an early age and are seen as property of the State, not the parent. I am guessing parents are compensated in some way while their child gets training for free. No different than serfs having their children serving in the palace while the parents worked in the fields. Not much has really changed in Russia. Cultural roots run deep.
@littleblackpistol 2 жыл бұрын
There are cultural differences at work here for sure. Russia has an autocratic and hierachical culture in ways westerners don't always understand. We saw parents blindsided in US gymnastics by a doctor who slimed up to them and gave them plausible explanations for the abuses he was doing. In the Russian sphere, it's more like a doctor isn't going to be questioned to begin with, or feel he has to explain anything. Hierachy. Autocracy. Eteri behaves like a sadistic petty god because it's normal for people of high status to behave like this there. I imagine the parents weren't encouraged to ask questions or feel they could ask quesitons to the degree a North American parent would. They also expect pain and suffering as part of sport, perhaps to a sadistic and disgusting degree. It's the same in all these autcratic cultures. China is as bad or likely five times worse. I don't imagine for a second the athletes have any say in what they ingest. After all, Eteri will remove their food and starve them. That's so primal and they accept it. If you culturally accept a coach staving a girl to inhibit puberty, can you imagine the athlete or their parents has ANY input in what 'special supplements' they are given, or chance to find out what they are?
@adrianacalderon6374 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your great videos. I have been spending lots of time watching them all so I call you guys my best buds when I talk to my husband about TSL and ATBT.
@minavamp2811 2 жыл бұрын
the ioc appeals the lifting of of valieva's suspension, that means they don't want her to compete at the olympics, which is organized by the ioc. another word is, she will not be allowed to compete in women single, and russia will be stripped of a gold medal in team competition.
@anneludlow4891 2 жыл бұрын
You. Guys. Are. AMAZING!!!!! You deliver such a great mix of serious, deep-dive-into serious topics (doping *sigh*) & Fandom enthusiasm -- 2 blondes, one natural & one not! And thanks for all the observations on so many skaters! I LOVED Carrillo, & especially loved that Swedish skaters complete & total joy! So what if he came in 20th or whatever. YAY HIM!
@seashellez 2 жыл бұрын
Never been this early! Thank you for all that you do.
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@paolamaeencarnacion7952 2 жыл бұрын
i think with hanyu, axel is his favorite jump. there was an anecdote that he saw mao's 3A and thought it beautiful; then he jumped it once and said it was easy. so i think, the 4A just a progression of his thought process. i do think that his inability to win, CURRENTLY, against nathan, as well as his asthma and the pandemic - he made them reasons to stay isolated in japan. Now, because he is hanyu and a genetically gifted athlete with excellent work ethic, he still has a base training to stay at his usual top level. but, that's just it. Aside from the advancing of the 4A, the rest stayed stagnant; and i think his mental state deteriorated a bit. Of course, even his subpar outings are still beautiful, because he is hanyu, but it was not plushenko tribute long beautiful (my favorite hanyu long after seimei). and i feel very badly for him that the 2 years he spent alone for his dream did not reward him. he said that he felt that he gave it his all and that he felt that that was his best ever 4A in that fall. I hope that he continues for another 4 years and that he gets back to toronto asap. As a naturally self-contained person who could spend days alone, I know personally how easy it is to lose oneself in routine. he needs the coaching team to bounce ideas off of. he cried in front of the japanese reporter (the one he is close to); his eyes were swollen, said he hates crying in front of the camera.
@pennyinheaven 2 жыл бұрын
He doesn't have another 4 years I believe. He is very close to 4A, if he lands it in a year or two, he can definitely be done.
@dedmatters 2 жыл бұрын
@@pennyinheaven how so? My sports science knowledge is only up to the physics involved in general; as well as my obsession with NBA in my college years. He doesn't seem to bee TOO injury-prone.. admittedly, he would have an uphill battle to keep a 31 year old body in Olympic level readiness.
@pennyinheaven 2 жыл бұрын
@@dedmatters What? I didn't say he'd take another chance to land it in the next Olympics. He'd most likely target to just land it in a competition, within this year or the next. Not when he's 31.
@dedmatters 2 жыл бұрын
@@pennyinheaven that's what I'm asking: how come he doesn't have chance of competing in the Olympics at 31? I'm asking because my health knowledge of sports science is limited.
@pennyinheaven 2 жыл бұрын
@@dedmatters Like you said, it's an uphill battle to prepare his body for it. Not saying it's impossible to participate in 2026, but if he does, he might not do a 4A (hoping he has already landed it before 2026). The jump is taxing now, imagine in the next 4 years.
@reneecarlson1784 2 жыл бұрын
I have no desire to watch "doped" athletes compete against "clean" athletes - what's the point!
@jtinsfo 2 жыл бұрын
+10 Jonathan on the Rocketman music editing! It was the best edit of those pieces I've heard in the times he has performed to it.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a documentary about the whole music selection and editing process. Fascinating to me.
@Constantin9va 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
@pwetty4r4 2 жыл бұрын
I got the feeling from one of his vlogs that his parents are pretty hard on Roman, I definitely think there is some mental unpacking that needs to be done in order for him to excel
@lbon5479 2 жыл бұрын
I'd really like for this to be the thing that finally prompts an investigation of Eteri's coaching practices, but it just looks like Valieva's gonna take the fall in the media, and who knows if there will even be any meaningful consequences for the ROC. I feel so bad for that girl (all the kids on that team, really). It's hard to watch them from Juniors to now and see them reach newer and newer heights, but know that the price for that is their health and longevity as athletes. Also, really interesting insights from the interview portion. Even if Valieva does compete, Trusova and Shcherbakova are in a better headspace to win. I don't think Hanyu's lying about the "divot," imo it's believable that some irregularity in the ice right before the jump could've made him hesitate. Nothing big enough to report, but enough to unbalance him at exactly the wrong moment. But on the topic of his huge fanbase, it's a double-edged sword. He has expectations to live up to, not just from his country, but also people all over the world--both expectations being crazy: win a 3rd Olympic gold and do a 4A. I'm worried about how defeated and remorseful he seemed with the Japanese press afterward. It sounded like he might be giving up on the 4A. He'd be less likely to injure himself, so that's good, but 4A's been his main motivation for years so...idk where his head's at now. But on the bright side--Yuma! I'm so happy for him! And good on Shoma for medaling again and for Nathan completing the final chapter of his Pyeongchang Redemption Arc. And Jason getting so close to the podium!! tbh I'm happy that Yuzuru wasn't in the team event because it gave Shoma and Yuma a chance to be in the spotlight and win another medal. Assuming they'll be getting medals at some point >.>
@maple8859 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto, ditto and ditto! If we were at the same table, I’d just nod all the time.
@bobuddy3513 2 жыл бұрын
None of Shoma's spins were invalidated. One was under review, but they all received points.
@MrChaseBlue 2 жыл бұрын
Being under review can just mean losing levels.
@karolinap4498 2 жыл бұрын
Wow thank you for the super interesting guest!!! ❤️I've actually learned a lot and now have a new perspective on the top skaters and their coaches. Nathan's not my fave but I am happy for him, the rocketman was a moment! Did you see ELTON JOHN's tweet congratulating him???? PS omg Jonathan why do you hate Lambiel 😅 I honestly think Shoma is really improving under him, although slowly. I think the problem with Shoma now is nerves, as Slava said - he might have a splinter in his mind 😂 I'm looking forward how he'll do at world's.
@npe1 2 жыл бұрын
Zagorodniuk had an amazing triple axel when he was amateur. It used to really fly.
@HelloFriends-nj9vz 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe I’m this early, I’ve been refreshing KZfaq constantly the last few days to get your opinions on all the chaos
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@RED-cy7ig 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see Slava's perspective on the men's competition. Not just a former competitor but also a coach.
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@MyKombucha 2 жыл бұрын
Love this guest!! Mind blowned that he actually had beaten Urmanov but not allowed to compete in Lillehammer... This former skater is so knowledgeable and valuable to the discussion. Thank you for always bringing in new expertise.
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@Anthony-lh9kz 2 жыл бұрын
5:15 Sports culture is a huge part in shaping US national identity. Maybe not for a male skater in the US, but there are sports icons like Phelps, Dorothy Hamill, Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, Simone, Muhammed Ali, Vince Lombardi. There is a reason to care so much about winning, especially as a woman’s skater.
@Anthony-lh9kz 2 жыл бұрын
@Nathaniel Walker You make a very good point disagreeing with my comment on doping that I never made. ;)
@yohanes2034 2 жыл бұрын
@Nathaniel Walker Russia use sport as propaganda and since figure skating is one of the more popular sport there, it's a big thing and also the reason why winning is important for them. I mean who can forget Sochi Olympic and its crazy misplaced nationalistic audience? Putin popularity rose after Sochi
@kfo2520 3 күн бұрын
Jonathan making me cry describing Nathan’s free skate perfectly 🥹
@SonOfAGun1814 2 жыл бұрын
jason's 2s instead of 3s was the difference between being 4th and less than 10 points from a bronze in olympics with no quad. ugh it stung me so bad when he did that 2s, probably more than himself. he was so wonderful though and i'm still glad he got to go to a 2nd olympics.
@MsAMusicLover 2 жыл бұрын
I feel that pain. Jason's skating is absolutely riveting. Over my 10 years of intense Jason fandom how many times have I thought "why why why can't he just learn one quad?" if my numbers are right, one perfect quad (in either the short or long) would have put him on that podium. And the press are so respectful and never ask him about the quad. His white whale. But it might haunt his fans more than it haunts him!
@nurfarhana5205 2 жыл бұрын
Jsf didn't even ask yuzu to do the team event🙃..he knew when it was announced.
@saramisthal6658 2 жыл бұрын
The mens competition was fantastic. Thank you for another fabulous episode. Kamila is a minor who no one is protecting. This was her Olympics to lose, so sad.
@JessicaReadsThings 2 жыл бұрын
A fun part of the discussion about Valieva in the Team Event context is that if Canada ends up with the Bronze, Roman will be going home with an Olympic Bronze medal. I feel terrible for anyone who has a devastating event like this, but this sort of delights me in a weird way.
@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын
Really...Roman is the last one I would reward or think about in this equation. Too bad Keegan missed out
@notsoearnesthemingway582 2 жыл бұрын
Just as I'm about to ask a question, you answer it within 5 seconds in the video. Lol thanks for this!
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
@Plaspos 2 жыл бұрын
What do we think about dalaloyan’s miraculous 3-month recovery from torn Achilles to 6th place all-around in Tokyo?
@lyragill3395 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't it revealed that it wasn't a torn achilles or something like that?
@kennydreadfuls861 2 жыл бұрын
I have been rolling my eyes since July.
@soapygirl83 2 жыл бұрын
That whole situation seemed very suspicious.
@Wafflinson 2 жыл бұрын
Random question. Are your live shows recorded so we can watch if we sub on patreon? I can rarely make it to anything live.
@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын
yes
@laurenseveriano5291 2 жыл бұрын
Terry is the only one who graduated high school. Just the kind of shade I love thrown! HAHA
@iamsoverybored878 2 жыл бұрын
Weren't Tara and Johnny home schooled?
@almourie 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how this scandal effects the gold chances of vikki/nikki and mishina/galliamov , and how anna and sasha (and possibly kami) will be scored heading into the rest of the individuals. I think we might see more reserved scoring than usual…
@barbaraczerwonka8297 2 жыл бұрын
I'd hope so but I don't think so. Anything is possible, it seems and I'm expecting the worst which is: nothing changing. Valieva will skate and she will win and so will her team mates. The fact that she is allowed to take part in practice is enough of a sign for me.
@Chastaken 2 жыл бұрын
They were clean and they don't train with Eteri. Anna, Sasha, Eteri's daughter and T/M...... We'll see
@saraehtor7753 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t see why Sasha and Anna should suffer because of Kamila’s case? They are negative and are not a part of the problem.
@amethyst5512 2 жыл бұрын
@@saraehtor7753 no way they are clean coming out of that camp. Granted, they’ve never been caught (the doctor has never screwed up with their dosing 🙄), so no reason to keep them out of the individual event at this point.
@rajs7876 2 жыл бұрын
Valieva cannot compete. The end.
@ElenadQ 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for opening my eyes , now I see this situation in a different light and yes you are right I have never understood why we here in Russia don't care about our Healthcare system or economic success or may be renovation of building but instead all attention is put to sport success meanwhile our country is in such a big trouble especially right now .
@JoshuaFazeli 2 жыл бұрын
“And I don’t wanna miss a thang.” 🇮🇹 😂😎
@jjgnva 2 жыл бұрын
You will never hear the Russians turn on their own skaters. I adopted 2 daughters from Russia and learned so much about them. They gave medications to the orphans that we would NEVER give to infants..
@Jumblebelle 2 жыл бұрын
Imaginary divot? Have you not seen the photos??? I also think he should have taken it to the referee but he assumed he could just avoid it rather than disrupt the whole event.
@wgwgwheregoodwego5147 2 жыл бұрын
There is legit photo but this channel would not mind to check.
@Xosidhe 2 жыл бұрын
He described it to a reporter immediately after his skate. I think TSL is saying his fans are the ones who brought up the idea of the divot and that’s why they’re so snarky, but it’s not something someone like Yuzuru would lie about in an interview. The way he thanks the ice, he may have even accepted it as how fate was playing out this time around and not protested it to the judges, like the gods weren’t smiling on him this time.
@benbailey159bb 2 жыл бұрын
A. That photo is a skid mark, not a hole. B. It's in the middle of an edge tracing so clearly not from where he did his jump as it wouldn't be one continuous edge tracing.
@wgwgwheregoodwego5147 2 жыл бұрын
@@benbailey159bb have really seen the photos?? how you know if it is in the middle of the rink as the pic is so bokeh.
@benbailey159bb 2 жыл бұрын
@@wgwgwheregoodwego5147 I said the middle of an edge tracing not the middle of the rink. The fact that it's in the middle of a CONTINUOUS edge tracing means it wasn't where he, or anyone, did a jump because the edge tracing obviously has the big gap when there in the air. The fact that it's in the middle of an unbroken edge tracing proves it's not where he did the jump.
@carolineschnegg3437 2 жыл бұрын
This made me happy 😊.
@danasuperstar 2 жыл бұрын
It makes one question the quick exoneration of the 2014 ladies “winner”, who was caught with scratches on her sample bottle during that doping investigation.
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