For a Sith Lord, Dooku never really acted like one. Yes, he was evil, calculating, and ruthless; but he never really had that dark side rage.

Dooku is well aware of Vapaad and what his weaknesses would be against it.

I love how both characters complement their respective actors perfectly. I bet you could replace nearly every mention of Windu and Dooku with Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee and the video would still make sense.

It's true. Dooku kept his emotions under control. He held many Jedi beliefs. I think Dooku would win. He was extremely experienced,extremely skillful. He knew perfectly where to strike and when. Tactician. I don't think Windu could use Vapaad on me. There's no ground to hold. It would be weak. Great holocron as always :) May the Force be with you too. Have a nice day too :)

Dooku is too level-headed and precise, he'd be able to handle Vaapad because he wouldn't submerse himself in the darkness so deep for Vaapad to feed off.

I always love videos that give Dooku the appreciation he deserves. He's so underrated. Outside of that I'd really like to see more videos about bounty hunters especially the most underappreciated one in my opinion Jango Fett.

It's a common misconception that Vaapad is weak if it isn't channelling the opponents darkness. Some go so far as to say it would be useless against someone like Yoda. But Windu didn't create it to fight Sith, it was to channel his own inner darkness, and turn it into a weapon of the light. That is the true strength of Vaapad. The fact that it uses the opponents darkness as well is just a convenient bonus.

This makes a lot of sense, especially considering Dooku rarely, if ever, showed the Sith Eyes that Dark Side users are well known for

I think there’s three questions being asked here. Dooku vs Vaapad as a style. Dooku vs a Vaapad expert. Dooku vs Mace. Dooku vs Vaapad as a style is a form analysis and Dooku’s assessment was that Vaapad was ‘sloppy’ a fair assessment from someone who preferred more precise styles over Form7s more erratic movements and seemingly wild swings. Dooku vs a Vaapad expert is an interesting question, there were only three Vaapad experts, one plain left the order, one depending on canon died a vegetable or a redeemed hero after falling to the dark side and Mace. The thing is Vaapad experts dabble in the dark side and while an amazing duellist the other thing Dooku seems gifted in is provocation and I think he could quite easily push two of the experts over the edge and into the dark side. Finally we get Dooku vs Mace and styles become irrelevant because Mace is just that much better a duelist than Dooku. Dooku was an amazing duelist himself but he straight up ran from Mace, not from Vaapad, Dooku ran from Mace.

This video was needed. Good upload

...Windu's thumbnail outfit is EVERYTHING. I NEED IT. Possibly the best samurai/jedi mashup design I've ever seen.

The thing is Dooku need to be precise, cold and, control calm because its what Form 2 Makashi requires, or else Dooku cannot use Makashi to the fullest potential. His swings and stabs might be strong when using the dark side but it still used along with the precision of Makashi

Good video. I'm writing a story involving a Sith user of Ju-yo and a Jedi user of Makashi. I've always been interested in how such a fight would end

In a way, I feel like it’s similar to why Mace couldn’t kill *Grievous* during the battle of Coruscant. Grievous and Dooku duel based on pure physical ability, overwhelming power in the case of Grievous, cold precision in the case of Dooku. In both cases, a major advantage of Vaapad would barely come into play. Grievous didn’t have the Force at all, and Dooku preferred to fight level-headed and calm. Very cool breakdown.

Love the vids man OH you should make a video about how powerful oppo ransis, Coleman kacj, yarel poof, like all these less know jedi you should make a video about how powerful they were or about their lives

Informative video

I think any fight between Dooku and Windu would look very much like the fight between Sidious and Yoda... only scaled down a bit. Dooku and Windu know each other pretty well, and nearly everything about how the other fights. Dooku faced off against Yoda and didn't really loose (though he didn't really win either)... and Windu faced off against Sidious as well and only sort of won, but exactly if he really won or if Sidious let him win for the benefit of Skywalker to see is still an open question. They both even thought the same of Skywalker as well, so I agree that Mace's Vaapad would not trip Dooku up, but force lightning wouldn't be a problem for Windu either, and he is a lot younger. However, I also see Windu may be more easily turned to the dark side than others... since he even knows it is in him (hence his need for Vaapad). Let us recall that Windu beheaded Jango even after disarming him (long before Order 66) in front of Boba, and Dooku was the compassionate one there. So much like Anakin taking out his anger on the Tuskin Raiders, Windu took out his anger on Jango.

The reason Mace is the only one to not be tainted by the dark side using Vapad, is because of the Shater Point ability that was rare, (as in batty meditation rare) only few Jedi were known to possess such a rare ability. That’s my take on it

Dooku is the most underrated character in Star Wars He was so elegant, so cool, so clever and cunning

Windu also used shatter point ability to see the weakness in in anything including objects and of course opponents a example of this when he was fighting palps he hit the window and it shattered on contact because mace saw the weakness in the window and hit it there. That being said windu would see the weakness in dookus and win.

If I remember correctly, Dooku was 2nd only to Yoda in the Jedi Order when it came to lightsaber combat. Plus, Dooku was aware of Vaapad as Mace Windu developed it while Dooku was still a Jedi. I don't think he would even need to channel his darker emotions to be able to keep pace with and possibly even defeat Mace Windu. He'd just need to remain his cold, calculated self.

I do not believe Dooku could comment on the style since he never truly saw Vapaad. He only saw what Sorq Bulq presented, which Mace stated was Junyo.

This was very interesting! I might be very far off were.. but it seems to me, the way Vapaad is described, it reflects the power given by the user back at him, which, in my mind essentially means that - Dooku is fighting himself, all the passion, all the calm, all the technique and skill. Including the amount, high or not of dark side emotion. If Sidious is 100% dark side passion, and therefore Vapaad has 100% potential and effectiveness, then the 50% Dooku gives will still be 100% reflected ? Or am i to understand that the amount of blade skill, tactics and reading of ones opponent comes second in line when considering Vapaad ? So Mace relies more on his own personal skill when facing opponents that are not as enveloped in the dark side?

I beleive Mace could have beaten Dooku but he couldn't have relied solely on Vaapad.

I always said this. I doubt it would work against dooku and his calm fighting technique

Here's a topic idea; Saber forms (including variants) and how well they match up against each other

The Ashoka lore and archives I watch your channel religiously and I'll be starting my own soon

I came for the great thumbnail. Your theory has no ground however.

What a duel it would be.. Would love to see Filloni make an animated What If... show. And have these duke it out and prove who was the superior duelist once and 4all

Form V Djem So seems to be the perfect counter to Form II Makashi. If you use a longsword against somebody with a fencing saber you're gonna go right through them

I do think Mace, being younger, could still outlast Dooku even if Vapaad is ineffective, its just a matter of holding out long enough for Dooku's age to start taking its toll. Though if Mace makes even one careless little mistake, Dooku will take him down. Shatterpoint will help Mace a fair bit too, even if Dooku's form is near perfect, if he likewise makes a minor error, Shatterpoint will find that opening and Mace will take it. That's why this is such a crazy match up in the first half, its anyone's game.

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You should do a video on rankings the 7 forms of lightsaber. Maybe even do a video on the best combos of styles

Yoda described Dooku and Mace as both hands of the Jedi. Neither of them beat Yoda in sparring and Dooku and Mace had a decent relationship for a while so they rarely fought. I think Mace would be able to realize that he couldn’t get enough energy from Dooku to make Vaapad fully effective so he would certainly use other styles and not just the one. Mace mastered all 7 forms so more than likely if he used Form V Djem So, he would probably get the upper hand. Djem So would make use of Mace’s strength which he had over Dooku. Dooku had the precision but how Anakin overpowered him with that form, I feel like Mace could do the same. I think it would be extremely close though.

I’m torn here. On one hand, Dooku is a Form 2 Master, the Dueling Form. It’s said to be the most suited for dueling against Lightsaber wielding opponents. Plus, his darkness just isn’t as powerful as someone like Sidious’s. On the other hand, would Mace even need that much of a Vaapad boost to take down Dooku? Given what we know, Sith Lightsabers are inherently dark in nature, considering the bleeding crystals. So by that logic wouldn’t merely clashing with a Sith Lightsaber be enough to at least Start the Vaapad battery up, so to speak? At that point, I feel Dooku would ironically fall back on his Jedi teachings of controlling his inner darkness, trying to make it so it leaks out as little as possible, probably in an attempt to force the duel into purely a duel of blades. Then the question is does Windu have what it takes to out duel a Jedi Master versed in Form 2 Lightsaber combat, the form specifically made for dueling, plus Dooku has the advantage of his Curved Lightsaber, giving him certain Angles of attack that Mace doesn’t have access to, while also making some harder to do. Dooku is no stranger to fighting multiple opponents at once, even when they have multiple blades. So I have to believe that Dooku would be able to handle Mace in a 1v1. I honestly cannot decide, I feel like they both have an equal chance of winning, and it may come down to who can swing his lightsaber better.

Count Dooku would probably " school" any other vaapad user but Master Windu would be different.... Mace essentially took Dooku's seat on the Council.... whether that " Hate/ anger" of that betrayal would tip the scales enough in Mace's favor.... I don't know.... Great topic Guy's 👏 👍

Do you have any recommendations for Star Wars books to read/content? Habe you ever done a video on that? It's a big cannon with a lot of highs and lows on material!

We have an answer to this question in the canon 2020 Star Wars Comic Duel on Ridley between Dooku and Mace 1-on-1 in 20 BBY. Vapaad was completely ineffective against Dooku. Also, the match was a draw, though it appears Dooku was notably less pressed than Sidious was in his duel. It was a rather casual draw.

I think it would be very close. Windu slight edge as it can also channel his darkness not just the oppenent.

Apparently there was a source in the novels (ROTS) implying that without the amp granted to Anakin via Palpatine's encouragement, Dooku would have ended up besting Anakin in that duel. It was only through an Amp granted to Anakin which tilted the scales enough that Dooku was overwhelmed in that fight. I don't see Mace Windu's base abilities (without vaapad amp) strong enough that it'd outright outmatch Dooku's own. After all, even someone like Ventress managed to duel with windu, at least for a while.

Sounds about right. I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of information on Force Hound training from the rakatans

An idea could be which lightsaber forms could be the most versatile in multiple situations or something like that

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You can tell when its Ai art, because Ai doesnt seem to know we only have 5 fingers on each hand. (Not including the 6 fingered man from the princess bride) but mace windu in the thumbnail has an extra pinky.

In martial arts of any kind, styles make fights. Tommy Hears destroyed Roberto Duran in 2 rounds. Marvin Hagler struggled to decision Duran over 15. But Hagler destroyed Hearns. Et cetera and so on. It's all in how styles match up. Dooku was very, very powerful and had flawless technique. But he was a Sith who fought like a Jedi, coolly and dispassionately, while Windu was a Jedi who fought like a Sith. I have a feeling Windu's fury might have overwhelmed him, as Anakin's did.

I think doku could effectively counter Mace. Because duku is a master of the light as well as a dark practitioner. I see doku relying on his Jedi skills until Mase has flagged in his offense then goding Mase into taping the dark side and turning.

Good analysis. This would be a fight for ages. I’m not sure who would win. But on subject, the dark side isn’t necessary for vaapad to be effective. Mace is a deadly duellist regardless of who he’s facing. You have to master all other forms, including form 2, to be effective at form 7.

Amazing

Can you do an in depth of form ii vs form v please.

Watching some of Dooku light saber battles. He had grace and elegance about him. Compare to others who he fought. Good video

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i dont know if you had but what if anakin was able to master vapaad like mace windo at windos level. love the content keep it up guys!

Windu’s shatter point ability is what would ultimately get him the W over Dooku not Vaapad. This is also why many say Windu is too OP lol.

I agree as I've come to a similar conclusion. As for a social dynamic, I have often found that people who feed on the negativity of others for power tend to be weaker and not so bold when they cannot succeed in getting under their opponent's skin. Part of their tactics are to throw you off-balance mentally and emotionally. Your mindset is a foundation: Physically you will follow and imitate your lack of grounding. It also takes an at least somewhat sadistic person to do that, which possibly has a bit of an indictment against the character of Mace Windu. Combined with his reliance on Shatterpoint, it does seem he may be overly dependent on the Force. Likely with being introverted Mace lacks social acumen to read a situation where common sense or deduction could've given him the answers he sought. In fairness, he and the rest of the order were guilty of that same fault. Seems a common problem among Jedi throughout their existence. Remember that Matthew Stover, author of Shatterpoint novel, is a Jeet Kune Do practitioner. Why is this relevant? First, the mindset is relevant. Utilization of your negative emotions into a constructive direction is both a common theme of many martial arts as a way of life, but also a technique for dealing with one's own anger. In Shaolin (one of many disciplines which JKD uses moves from), we learn that although anger grants you short term bursts of strength, speed, and general power, it is weak in endurance. Anger to shaolin is ultimately seen as in itself weakness. Again, the Shaolin emphasize if you _must_ use anger, use it constructively and sparingly, but otherwise avoid it. This is because decisions when angered are rarely constructive, it takes a toll on health, and you tend to get exhausted quickly. Next: The description of Vaapad is based on old footage of Bruce Lee, who invented JKD. Old cameras could only catch maybe 30fps. When Bruce would do his movesets or have matches, he was so fast his arms and legs seemed _invisibly_ fast, while his body was a blur in the footage. Finally: Dooku may be cruel and arrogant, but he's nothing if not disciplined. Without being able to feed off his opponent, Mace Windu might be underwhelming and quickly burn out against disciplined opponents who can outlast him and are skilled enough to not be immediately get killed. Or, it would end with a stalemate with the two of them fighting to a standstill.

I'm in the belief that Dooku would tire too soon leaving himself vulnerable or kill Windu fast.

I have a question with all of the the dark side energy while fighting sidious windu was going to kill sidious if anakin had not intervened

I wanna know if you can find out if there are more lightsaber forms passed Form 7 and how rare a Jedi or Sith has used that form????

Mace easily beat Palpatine so i don't think Count Dooku would had stand a chance against him not to mention Mace also beat General Grivous not only that he crush him

Dookus assessment came from fighting sora bulq and I'm not sure if he dueled Mace in canon or if he saw the development of Vaupad in the 13 years he was gone.

Makes sense.

Would General Grievous's intense emotions and bloodlust make up for his lack of Force sensitivity (and lack thereof becoming one with the Dark Side), thus affect Vaapad's effectiveness against him? On top of that, with Grievous's learning programs, wouldn't Vaapad just register as Form 7 to him?

The shatterpoint

So the answer is basically that Dooku's an evil Dr. Jekyll rather than a full on Mr. Hyde.

02:00 Juya!

Master Windu was a member of the Jedi council. Thinking that he knows only Vaapad on high quality is a bit silly.

Would love a video on darth viktus😍

Either way, they are my two favorite characters and the duel I always wanted but never got

6:52 ehhh I’m gona challenge that. Palpy was in his early 60s by AOTC..

idk, Mace Windu without his active vaapad could still best Dooku(just barely). not to mention he would use his shatterpoint to determine a weakness

Dooku and Windu actually dueled in the comics. On Boz Pity in Legends and on Ridlay in Canon. Both times Dooku fled but neither opponent gained an edge. Whether or not Windu used Vaapad I don't know. Would've loved to have seen them fight on screen.

Both forms (Makashi, Vaapad) are polar opposites but either could equally demolish opponents in their own respective way. If they faced each other it would depend on what stage of time. If it was during EP2 then it would be evenly matched. During the encounter on the Geonosis platform Dooku chose not to directly engage the dangerous Jedi (Dooku was a master strategist and knew when he could win or not). During the clone wars Windu grew in both power and skill. By EP3 Dooku was 82, he would of put up a good fight but overtaken in the end against Windu at this stage.

Also not stated in the video, Dooku was a master of Dark Meditation. Which is why he channels the dark side without giving himself to the Dark Side.

When Dooku declared Vaapad was sloppy, he wasn't fighting Windu but that other guy who claimed to have mastered Vapaad but clearly was far from mastery. While Vaapad might not work as well against Dooku, Windu is still a master of the other lightsaber forms so he stands a good chance of winning as Dooku is only a master of Form 2.

Mace windu would win. Many forget Windu was a battle master which meant all forms of combat but specialist of vaapad. Mace has a claimer mind then dooku. Mace learned at a early age the lost to be had if they acted without thought is how he was bestowed his hacurn crystal. If you read shatterpoint and then episode three the true understanding of how mace felt when he saw Anikin as the shatterpoint it shows him how he doesn't see the full picture again which causes his death

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Can you do a video about why Obi-Wan lost so easy against Dooku in RotS even after he held his ground when he and Anakin held their ground in the clone wars.

Does Canon Vaapad still reflect the opponent's dark side? I could only find reference to this in Legends lore.

Dooku preferred the saber duel, he honestly enjoyed it and used his lightning sparingly as it took away from the fun you only see him half-ass it with one hand to mess with his opponent at first before he got into his favorite part

How well would windus vapaad do against knightfall vader about the point he found obiwan. Or didn’t deppa learn vapaad. How would it have went if she was prepared at the temple during order 66

Also even before Mace mastered Vaapad he was the ultimate Juyo User even more skilled at that form then Maul And Sidious even by TPM Periods yet not once was he able to best Dooku in Legends Or Canon it either ended with them being equals or Dooku the slight superior and Vaapad would not work on Sith like Dooku, Revan, And Traya since they act less on emotions when fighting usually yeah. And as far as force powers go in terms of telekenesis, force shields, force barriers, force reflexes, force healing, beast control, telepathy, tutiminus, and battle meditation Dooku surpassed Mace and every other Jedi in those force powers except for Yoda he had a the third highest potential in the order around TPM Circa after Anakin And Yoda with Mace having the fourth highest. Mace is no joke in any way but compared to Yoda, Dooku, Sids, And Plagueis in terms of force powers besides shatterpoint and most force augmentation abilities he would be overwhelmed by them if they had a force tug of war yeah.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but once a Jedi switches over to Sith, doesn't any time they use the Force it's the Dark Side? If so, then when Darth Tyrannus (Dooku) uses the Force to augment his natural strength (which he would have to against Mace Windu), he'd be using the Dark Side, therefore aiding the use of Vaapad...making Mace the inevitable winner.

I think you should make a video about the first dark jedi

I think Windu's Shatterpoint still gives him the edge. Also Windu is younger and wont fatigue as easily as Dooku.

@TheStupendousWave I was wondering something. Anakin Skywalker has great technological skills, is a rebel, wants to go out to protect the people of the galaxy and end slavery, and has affinity for Dark Side Abilities. By this definition, would Anakin have been better suited as a Jedi Sentinel rather than a Jedi Guardian? Jedi Sentinels are often out and about in the galaxy protecti g the common folk, have several practical skills that compliment their Force and Lightsaber Abilities, and, in the case of the Jedi Shadows, have permission to use certain Dark Side Powers. These things all fit Anakin to a T. I would like to see a Video to that would look at the Star Wars Universe if he were a Sentinel!

Annakin's style was "Kinetic" which is how he beat Dooku. IIRC Juyo was described as kinetic and randomized. A kinetic fighter versus A finesse fighter ................... opposite extremes.

Vaapad is tailor-made specifically to counter Juyo users.

Would be great fight, Dooku is one of my favorite combatants. He is ice cold and so precise, if it Mace was in the hanger instead of Obi and Ani in AOTC the outcome would have been the same I feel. Blade to blade Dooku is just way to slick.

Can we have a video on why Darth Vader just fell down right before Luke cut his hand off on the Death Star, like was he exhausted or did he throw the fight right there or😅

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One thing I always wondered was what if Dooku joined the CIS without falling to the dark side - that is, he genuinely believed in the Separatist cause as a solution to the corruption of the Republic.

Sidious mastered all 7 forms, but Dooku specialized in Makashi, so his mastery of that is in a greater degree. what little advantage Windu gains from vaapad, would be offset by Dooku's Makashi.

They actually fought before in one of the newer canon comics ‘Star Wars Adventures #10’. In it Mace soundly beats Dooku as he ends up forcing the count to run away from their duel like how he did with Yoda in episode 2

I’d like to know more of Ashoka’s lightsaber style

I know everyone's already said something to this effect, but although evil Count Dooku with just two level headed and non-emotional for The Darkside to Cloud him like it did other Sith Lords

Darth Sidious was 62 years old in Attack of the Clones.

The trick is too slice off the hands. And you'll win. Anakin knew that all too well.

Vapaad is power throwing your weight behind blows harnessing aggression. Dooku however had more of a saber like hilt designed to parry lightsabers more than blasters and he was more into redirecting momentum. Mace would use wide powerful blows whereas dooku would deflect to one side or the other using the least force possible. Dooku would have gotten mace to a point where he was defeated but he would try to convince his old friend of his path.

I have two words Rahm Kota. He has been canonized in recent media if you read all the names on the wall in Obi Wan. He is there. If he retains his experience of dueling as he does from the games, he'd be a form VII practitioner as well.

Windu and Yoda were right next to Palpatine while he was shooting lighting at them. If they were off by at least 8 or more feet, they wouldn't looking like they were being forced back!

Dude how u just leave out shatterpoint??