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This reminds me a lot of Beauty Queens by Libby Bray 😬

What’s eying with my girls?

Problem with girl power: Most of them are lazy and expect men to protect and provide for them

Do you see any tropes or cliches in the disney Desendants movies?

Yea you are right it is so shallow, also i wish there where more movies about woman how are you know real heroes. There is nothing wrong with beauty. Wish i saw more real brave rolemodels. But i guess that does not sale

Excellent point!I've always found it ironic that sweatshop workers sew Che Guevara shirts, this is even worse!

Such is life. It's not all that different from supposed MRAs like Paul Elam and his lackeys claiming that they want men to be free and equal, but who then slander any guy who dares to question the tenets of Red Pill Theology/call them out one their hypocrisy(Elam has been preaching "don't get married" from his pulpit, despite himself having been in a common law marriage for the past 10 years)as "blue pill". Apparently, the feminist wants the average woman to be free, so long as they're not free to dissent with feminist dogma. Likewise, The MRA wants freedom for men, so long as we're not free to be too independent

@Bell in Da Night stupid how? Genuine question

@Bell in Da Night oh ok I getcha

FACTS!!!!!

"Girl POWER"✌

Yup

Absolutely! They took back their power and creative control. What I loved about Spice Girls was that they practiced and they preached. I also loved that they showed that you could be pretty, feminine and funny but be smart and strong. When I was a teen in the 90’s being called a feminist was like a dirty word but once they came around I didn’t care anymore. The word feminist became powerful and we took that power back.

@@stefanielucu7365 - Absolutely agree. It’s so frustrating because now it’s pretty much considered an insult to be called a ‘feminist’ anymore and identifying as such usually just gets you eye-rolls.

When she was silenced?

In the aladin remake. Jasmin sings a song about speaking her Mind ( in her mind by the way ) and then prosides to do what ever hafar said when her father is threatened

I mean I guess it could have ended with her starving to death because she didn't find a guy to marry

And then there's Frozen, which is a Disney movie version of a billion "not like the other girls" memes.

aladin is in no way capitalists.

I agree that men are ridiculed when they are emotional, but I have to disagree about women being applauded for being aggressive or violent. A lot of the time women are considered "bossy", "bitchy" and other negative things for showing positive "masculine" traits. It sucks that men are not allowed to show their emotions and are held back, yet it is still important to remember that women are criticized for traits too. Hopefully we can overcome this for everyone.

I call it the "anti-pink" movement in feminism, but I think this shift toward gender inclusion and non-binary is doing away with that. For a long time (and still), women have had to prove they are equal to men, requiring them to demonstrate masculine traits. It's only now that we are getting to a place where such equality is a "given" and that feminine traits can be celebrated as equally valuable. This is why I personally will always love Buffy: she kicked ass and had many "masculine" traits, but remained "girly" without shame.

@@CL-je6sv They're applauded in feminist spaces, though.

@@theunknown5386 Umm, the op seems like a man...

Well said!

I remember thinking that too. Why was she the scary one?!

Yup. It was blatant racism.

Yeah I always wondered why she was called scary and she didn't look scary

Wait she was scary spice. Then what was Victoria Beckhams name, for thats the one i was sure was scary spice.... And the video just told me its posh

I want to say I didn't understand why she was scary but we did, we're raised with racism even if we're trying to not be racist. I'm sorry you have to face this in your life and just remember we are aware and some of will try to push back on the racists. Kia Kaha.

Tru

You're right, unfortunately, society always values attractive women more than non attractive ones, in every field. I feel a gorgeous woman like Scarlett Johansson can gain everything she wants in life...

True

So lookism remains

Welcome to reality. In a similar vein, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, and Bezos have all been very successful financially. Gold diggers aside though, women don't find these guys sexy

@Music case Like I said, the whole thing of girl power is keep walking. Miranda is a somewhat unreliable portrail of Anna Wintour who came in her position a long time ago, Priestly maybe has been in her postion for longer time since the clear age. Andrea is probably the feminist portion of the movie. But Miranda is or was a strong foot in the path of women success in the work. Is now time to change power? Perhaps, if you have someone more capable. I still dont think Miranda see herself as approchable or sees herself as a feminist model. To mr it is quite clear that she only accepts exceptionality and perfection Thats her whole thing. She is very elitist, and social changes usually require some allies from a higher class, at least to solidify some documents. The structures of power we have in the real world tend to shaoe itself on passing power from a powerful rich to a less greedy and cruel rich person or family. They have networks we will never have access to nor completly understand. So, yeah chages usually come with a process, a path. [[EDIT] Once the change happens we can have lower classes rising in power and etc. And yes, Anna Wintour was born super rich and her father was a powerful editor in chief, not in fashion, but hey. And then the fashion had dramatic changes after her, from her own influence or allowing other ideas and opinions to move forward But anyway my whole point is that Miranda cant be placed with other girl bosses of media. Her whole position is different.] But Ive already discussed this is a comment of other video

@@Kurooganeko I wonder hard about something: Shouldnt we flag or report a video or even a channel that is outright homophobic or transphobic. Added question: What about if they dont think of themselves as harmful; as most probably do. Like this 'Jesus heals Homosexuality; dont worry' is meant warm and kind but its vomit-inducing levels of bad and harmful, yeah? Commenting and trying to argue doesnt do anything anyway, so i wonder (with specific channels in mind): Shouldnt we flag such stuff; ignoring the resemblance of doing this in groups may have to 'Cancel-Culture'?? Commenting does nothing because of how the yt-algorythm works; thats just a fact. So what else is there to report? And reporting as an individual is just not effective as doing it in a group; so what? Am i supposed to rather ignore massively-problematic channel cause it would be so much worse to kinda maybe resemble c-cuture?

@@loturzelrestaurant I think the issue is that we also think "flagging" is doing something about it more than just commenting. Flagging to "de-platform" someone ultimately doesn't silence them for good, does it? What it really does is cause them to take their hatred onto the streets, in private areas, where they can do real harm to the communities they despise, sometimes making them more bitter and provoking more issues. I prefer to bring a conversation to the fore as much as possible before de-platforming someone. I think if we approach without insults, while also developing evidence as to why the content is harmful, we can get the point across. I prefer to gain more allies than enemies. You get more with honey than with vinegar. Still, if all else fails, flagging may be the next best option, regardless, especially if the yt platform is threatening. "Flagging" is also a double-edged sword. I've been "flagged" for addressing racism and its problems. People can flag you for whatever they disagree with. Do we really want to get into the "flagging" war, with both helpful and hurtful content being under attack?

Yes that’s totally true! but she was also glad to help Andy grow and even smiled at the end as she saw her succeeding in her own way! Idk I saw her as a product of her generation. A shark because she had to be. But I think she was genuinely glad to see other women make it. I think she holds people to high standards because she had to fight tooth and nail for where she is. Idk I haven’t watched in a while. But I always enjoy this discourse about her character. One of my faves! Sorry for the rant I’m making breakfast as I write this .

The real problem here is our culture's predilection for looking to fucking actors and pop stars for deep thoughts about anything. Seriously, did we really think The Spice Girls were profound thinkers on subjects like feminism, or even the weather?

To me Geri and Mel C were the only genuine feminists in the Spice Girls. Geri had the ideals and Mel C put it into practice by being the best singer in the group.

Amen

@@MechaJutaro Plus I thought everybody opened up their eyes during the pandemic, and everybody realize how out-of-touch rich people are. I guess I was wrong.

@@kittykittybangbang9367 No one opened their eyes during the pandemic. Most folks got their "intel" on the virus from either Dave Rubin(if they were on the right), or Rachel Maddow, if they were on the left. We were still lionizing celebrities, even as Rome burned to it's foundations

I really wanna see what happened next after that clip in the video ended omggg

She was no worse than any previous Prime Minister, she should be held to the same standard as men. The point is that she overcame class and gender to become one of the first female leader in a Western democracy. Something that the USA has still not done

Brilliant joke with how random it is and absurd it sounds but is also 100% true

@@suzettewilliams1758 lol someone didn't watch the video. Slay imperialist queen she was the first murderous woman!

@@TheGodFr0mTheMachineAgain, how is she any different from the previous Prime Minister. Being ruthless is not the preserve of men. Look no further than previous Queens of England, most has a murderess streak.

I’ll have to go back and watch that. I admit, I still feel a lot of resentment towards “cool girls” putting on a role to appease men and then gaining all the rewards they get from doing that 🙄

'Cool girl' is also known as 'honorary dude' or 'I'm not like other girls' girl. To me it reminds me of Little Britain's Only Gay in the Village.

I acted as a “cool girl “ in my twenties, I remember joining a forum of mostly men, we went out and drank copious amounts of beer, I even dated one of them. All that to learn that I was considered a “dumb blonde” and was called names. Now I’m in my forties I’ve embraced my more feminine side and I’ve realized that I don’t need to be “one of the guys “ to be respected. And that was thanks to Gone Girl, well, part of it, which is now one of my favorite movies and books

Sailor Moon is so, so cool!

What does it matter, whether or not the creator of a character was male or female? By this same logic, we oughta to write off male characters created by women, such as those who appear in George Eliot's novels. Hell, we're going to end up banning male characters created by women who are some of the most lusted after by women also, such as Christian Grey and Hardin Scott

without men u wouldn't know 1+1 is like what you actually don't know karen.

@@MechaJutaro it's just nice to see female characters made by women bc the women can show and discuss their own experiences/channel them through the characters

'differently abled' 😬

💯

All the more hilarious, given that Amy Dunne isn't shown doing anything remotely cool in the flashbacks. She's the stereotypical Evil Wasp from the very get go

Yesss I agree that's one of my favourite lines in any movie 🤩 Also Dodie Clark's Song "cool girl" has a similar meaning too which I like 🔥

it's from book gone girl, not creation of male cinematogrfist

Good point. It’s evolving and expanding as we move into more spaces.

@@nicki4515 thank you Nicki 👑

SAY THAT!

I think the problem is destroying men on your warpath to "power"

@@cristopherjeffery6737 So by women being empowered, this takes away from men?

Yes, please! The Chosen One trope is so overdone in the media, that I'd be game to see them analyse the appeal.

I’d love this!!

Don’t forget Jesus; the holiest of the Chosen ones.

Desmond Miles from Assassins Creed to Assassins Creed III for 5 years from 2007-2012. Pretty big one too because he had to experience 3 different Assassin ancestors in the animus, feel the full effects of the bleeding effect in Revelations and then die at the end of III when he had an incredibly difficult decision to make about the future and fate of the entire world.

@@trinaq The appeal is very simple, people wished that they're special and the "chosen one" is born special. That's why the "chosen one" trope is so popular because people wished that they're special without realizing that everyone is unique in their own way.

Even the creation of the earth and the universe

@@drunkgeek3035 wdym

@@drunkgeek3035 Well no, everything is connected to power. Capitalism is only the most popular means to an end. Not the end itself.

Capitalism will comodify anything, even policital movements and ideologies contrary to it...

No one xan beat capitalism but we can profit and get more benefits from it.

And from ACS Impeachment: Betty Currie

Betty from ugly betty

@@allykat100 Betty is really a tragic example as how her boss took advantage of her loyalty

@@lilil9752 Betty was so smart but she let herself be dominated by an incompetent boss who only got where he was due to nepotism

Donna from suits

I exactly feel the same. I want this term to go away, along with the performative capitalists utilizing it.

How much horsepower does your car make? The higher the horsepower the faster the car will go. I just did it

Usually when the person gets into power then they wouldn’t help the group they were apart of as that would mean giving up their power.

BIPOC*

Yeah, it's also important to remember that the show was way more than just Joss Whedon.

And unlike some anti-political shows of the time in Buffy there was symbolic patriarchal oppression in the Watchers Council

Firefly fits the bill as well, Zoe, Inara, Kaylee and River are all well-written women. Whedon has a clear respect for female characters, if not coworkers.

@@melodyclark1944 And don't forget the fact that there are women on the Council, demonstrating that they can serve the patriarchy despite being women.

You need to rewatch the show. Because there is questionable tropes on those episodes.

That's the nature of activism these days. Primary focus is placed on withstanding the slings and arrows of prejudice, rather than emphasizing what one has achieved despite the persistence of bias

@@MechaJutaro there is value in learning the history of those struggles. But nuance and multiple versions of the same story are important, especially in children's media.

I want to recommend a few figures to them but afraid they won't find them respectable ,(I would throw Thatcher in their faces)

There was a funny skit from College Humor where employees who worked at a candy factory were asked about what it was like to work there. All of the men got fun, lighthearted questions, but the one woman kept getting asked questions about what it was like being a woman and about her struggles. She just wanted to talk about candy, lol.

Genius. It really shows the shallowness too, because Thatcher was absolutely anti feminist and had no interest in boosting women besides herself.

They left out the first part. Where Joss Whedon says that 'the blonde girl' is usually the one who gets it first in slasher movies. Faith would be the Final Girl in most horror films.

Right! It’s like they’ve never seen the show.

Delusions of revolutionary change are something one harbors between the ages of 17-23. After that, we gradually move towards pragmatic efforts, aimed at expanding the social contract for not just our own demographic, but for all Americans

@@MechaJutaro your personal experience doesnt dictate the experiences of all humans, people of all stripes are driven to revolutionary ideals for a great many reasons and on a great many subjects, and failing to recognize that human experiences differ is a core facet of why so many people are incapable of recognizing the issues that others are forced to contend with.

Like the shit ton of Squid Game merch I see everywhere

@@qiae Robert tolppi has a great video on this subject, though it is more about slacktivism.

@@vichuang1480 unfortunately squid game merch wouldn't exist if people didn't buy it, but people do

ok but the job of today's generation is to challenge those ideas and progress further, I don't see criticism as a bad thing

Precisely. If capitalism applauds them, it ain't right.

Well, for whites at-least. Others been thinking about this.

No but I wished she would’ve because there’s plenty to be said about Margaret Thatcher but she was undoubtedly effective. He was being a tool.

@@realSimoneCherie the only problem with pissing on Thatcher's grave is that the world will run out of piss

@@SP-ft4ir I know it sucks

@@realSimoneCherie I disagree with you. Thatcher is evil and you're a numbskull.

@@realSimoneCherie Thatcher was horrific in every possible way. Ruined lives up and down the UK and was known as The Milk Snatcher for good reason. Vile.

Shhh... black women doesn’t equal feminism

@@jasminewilliams1673 You right, I forgot🤣

@Erwin Lii Absolutely! Or Salt N Pepa and Queen Latifah! I get that with the exception of TLC, those artists weren't as internationally successful as The Spice Girls (and more than a few black female artists rejected the term feminism). But they definitely had an influence

Yesss OMG TLC WAS EVERYTHING.

@@afrosensei5308 Before them were the Belle Stars in the late 80's and before that the Go-Go's. And they played their own instruments.

Sadly, this isn't just true for women either. If you're a guy who questions or rejects some aspects of Red Pill Thinking, even while agreeing with other aspects, supposed MRAs will turn on you faster than the b-logs will turn against women who dare to dissent. This culture's lost it's fucking mind

It's pretty wild how regressive the 90's was on feminism. We also saw Legos. Going from being a gender neutral building toy from the 50's-80's and then the 90's they started making special girl series, with lower building skill, lower block count and more flimsy materials. Focused solely on restaurants and hairdressers and stereotypical feminine areas, instead of the totally versatile Lego sets that was made before which also had restaurants and hairdressers, but in all colors and not in all pink, and not sold in a girl isle or boy isle. It was like a huge step back that took 30 yrs and now we are starting to pick the slack up... Again.

I think the Trish and Lita era were starting to change how women's wrestling was viewed but it wasn't quite there yet. I also felt that Molly Holly would have exceled in 2018 onwards.

@@TheJax84 Trish and Lita definitely could show that women could wrestle, but I've seen them in bra and panty matches and Lita in particular seemed to ooze "Bad Girl" sexuality. (Remember, Edge's title victory celebration with Lita in a turning bed was the most watched moment of Raw since the Attitude Era up to that point) Nowadays the two are shown as pioneers of women's wrestling, but anytime the company has a "best of" reel with lady wrestlers it only showcases three matches the two did (and the Wrestlemania match Trish did with Mickey James, which has edited out one of the most suggestive parts) and ignored everything else.

@@vampman87 good point. (and just quietly I try to forget the whole Lita, Edge and Matt Hardy mess. LOL)

if you are gonna talk about women's wrestling you cant just not mention the japanese joshis. All Japan Women was 20 year ahead to the male counterparts all around the world.

And so many men use it as something to grab onto to support their anti-feminist beliefs. They’re doing the same with the 355 movie which, sadly, flopped. Saying that men are the prime audiences of action movies and women don’t want to see action movies starring women. Talking about how unrealistic the movie is. I haven’t seen the movie yet but seeing these arguments really upset me because I would really like to see a good action movie starring women.

Isn’t she white feminism?

@Follow the Bear Yeah, but most of these movies tend to flop and/or treat the women like sex symbols rather than people. Back in the 2000s, they thought about making the Black Widow movie but changed their mind because of the poor performance of both Aeon Flux and Ultraviolet. It didn’t occur to them that the reason the movies performed so poorly is because they’re both poorly made. It’s still a trend today with the poor performances of the Charlie’s Angels latest reboot and the 355.

@@suburbantimewaster9620 Movies with strong female leads and side characters such as Coffy, Aliens, Terminator 2, Jackie Brown and Kill Bill still hold up well today and have a huge male audience because the struggles or battles the characters go through has nothing to do with them being women. They don't feel the need to crap on men or lecture them on "toxic masculinity", men aren't all portrayed as morons or sexual predators, men and women are treated as equals, unlike in todays movies where women are perfect human beings.

@@Ash-gtr32 While I've only seen two of those movies, the first Alien movie used a man as a decoy protagonist because they were afraid that admitting Ripley was the lead would have turned viewers off the movie. Kill Bill, while featuring women with backgrounds and personalities outside of men, had a scene that said Beatrix was getting repeatedly raped while she was in coma and forgot about it for the rest of the movies. Then the movie flashbacked to her taking a ton of shit off of a misogynistic asshole, implying that misery made her strong, while villainizing the woman who stood up to the misogynistic asshole. However, this hasn't improved by much in the movies of today. The promotional material for the Force Awakens mislead people into thinking that a guy was going to be the jedi instead of the girl. Then, when they reveal that its Rey, her entire role is reduced to being Kylo Ren's emotional support, the man who murdered Han Solo who Rey bears no ill will toward. While the woman being the emotional support to a man is nothing new, the emotional support character can't carry an entire movie. There was also the character of Admiral Holdo who, as the Nostalgia Critic put it, acted less like an Admiral and more like a working mom. My own mother, who taught me her feminist views, walked out of the Last Jedi and called it sexist bullshit. Yes, you can argue that Luke saved Vader, but Luke also went through character development as he learned the struggles of what it meant to be a hero versus the fantasy of what it was. He also idolized the idea of his father only for it to come crashing down when Vader told him the truth. Yet Luke wanted so badly to cling to that image of his father that he started seeing good in Vader. Despite being the main character, Rey's role was the love interest for Kylo Ren with no explanation why she was in love with him except that he's the leading man and she's the leading woman. As for Marvel, they wrote decades of movies staring men and giving them sequels with Black Widow as their token woman. Then they gave the first woman movie to Captain Marvel and made it necessary to see if you want to see Endgame, something Bojack Horseman mocked. Yet Captain Marvel herself was a victim throughout the entire movie. Her mind was erased, she was manipulated by the Kree into being a soldier, had absolutely no idea that she had to hide her identity on Earth and at least try to blend in despite being a trained soldier, and got forced at gun point to accept that the Skrulls were the good guys. Then, when Captain Marvel realizes that she had been manipulated and brain washed, she just shrugs what trauma that would've given her off like it was nothing. Compare this to when Tony got captured and saw his own weapons being used by the enemy, something that the movie actually takes time to acknowledge. Or, when Dr. Strange loses the momentum in his hands and can't be a surgeon anymore. The movie takes the time to acknowledge how, in Dr. Strange's mind, without his work he has nothing. Yet Captain Marvel does not get the same treatment. Black Widow spent years as a side character to the stories of men, her job being to assist the male characters with their issues rather than exploring hers. Then, when she finally gets her own movie, she's the side character to her sister's story. Sure, there's the scene in the beginning where they show the girls being abducted and taken into the program similar to sex trafficking but that is just scenery. Once again, the movie completely dismisses the trauma the woman main character went through and reduces the elements, like the fact that she and Yelena were given forced hysterectomies, into a joke. To make a bad situation worse, they reduced the main villain into a caricature and the problem was solved with a quick fix antidote that they never gave to Bucky, who was going through similar issues. Plus, in the comics, there was more than one Black Widow program and more than one handler. So just killing one handler wouldn't have ended the program and, in reality the just freed women would have to go through several therapy sessions before they can have anything resembling a normal life. Sexism doesn't go away just like that and assholes like Driekov (sp?) don't twitch their mustaches and revel in their evil. I really wish he had said something like, "I take these poor unwanted orphan girls and give them a home," so it sounds like, in his mind, he thinks he's doing good which makes him far more serious and much more threatening. Instead, he gave an evil monologue about using women as resources. In The Boys, while the Deep is a misogynistic asshole who abuses women, he seems like an average guy you meet on the street and who you could actually trust, which was what made his sexual assault on Starlight even more horrifying. Even Black Panther, while acknowledging racism exists, says at the end of the movie that even Wakanda can't fix the problems of the world but they can try. Not to mention that Marvel, despite saying that they're woke, doesn't practice what they preach. Jan Van Dyne (the first Wasp) was also the first woman Avenger and, in the movies, she's reduced to a bit character. Not to mention that, when the production team felt Hank couldn't carry a movie, they gave the movie to Scott instead of naming the movie Wasp and giving it to Jan. The characters of Amora and Sylvie, who were their own women in the comics with histories and lives of their own, got spliced together and became the variant of an established man. They also screwed Scarlet Johannsen over by giving Black Widow premiere access on Disney+ instead of keeping it purely in the theater, like they promised her. So, much like the rest of Hollywood, they are making a career out of telling people they're woke without actually showing it. It doesn't matter whether a movie stars mostly men, mostly women or is an equal combination of men and women. What matters is the writing and directing that went into the movie itself and not simplifying real world issues, like feminism. The problem is the exact same one that Hollywood has had more decades, they don't know how to write women outside of the boxes they put them in. Sure, you get the occasional jewel like Alien, Kill Bill or The Old Guard but you have to shift through a ton of sand to get to them.

THIS! Over the last few years I’ve started to feel stuck as to what I want to aspire to and the social consequences of it contributing to inequalities, especially surrounding intersectional feminism and the fears of girlbossing because I’d still have a career that I make money from… But hell, even that children’s book about Amazing Women they mentioned was problematic because it generated profit (and for featuring Thatcher, which is deserved backlash)Are we supposed to not write books on women? How are the authors and editors and printers supposed to get paid? Like what DO we get to do/make/appreciate/dream of? There’s surely answers to all of this, but I’m just feeling really overwhelmed, and non of this is particularly new to me either.

So precisely put!! Thanks!+

@@Kayla-ep5gm honestly! i'm feeling the same way

it's good to have heroes, aspirations, a good career, but it's also good to challenge the system and criticize the flaws in order to progress. for example, if you progress in a position of power , instead of perpetuating what the patriarchal system is doing, challenge it and open more opportunities for discriminated people to reach the same opportunities, that's the point. it's not about personal gain only, but about slowly changing things using your privilege

The problem is with that, the male heroes actually are compelling & interesting.

It’s a Disney movie critiquing a Disney trope.

If Elsa truly cared about Anna, then why did she keep shutting her out and avoiding her as much as possible? Why didn't she ever tell her the truth about her having ice powers and what really happened? And why did she hit her in the heart when Anna tried to convince her to return home and undo the eternal winter, and Elsa created a huge snow monster to chase her away instead of actually going after her and trying to help save her sister's life before it's too late? That doesn't seem like sisterly love to me. And don't try to use the "Elsa's too afraid of hurting her sister and she's just a victim all because of her ice magic" excuse to defend and justify her immoral and unforgivable actions along with the way she treats Anna throughout the whole movie. That's just one of the many, many reasons why Frozen is such an awful and overrated Disney franchise. Also, not all young people are dumb, you know. There are lots of them out there who actually know better.

@@L_Martin And that's already become a tired, stupid, and annoying Disney cliche.

@@1992disney bruh... The troll removed Elsa having ice powers from Anna's memory. And since at that time Elsa was young and incapable of controlling her powers, she kinda had to stay away from Anna. Freezing her heart was an accident. She didn't go and try to save her cos she didn't even know it happened. She didn't freeze her intentionally. The snow monster was there to drive away ANYONE who tried to enter, it wasn't created just for Anna. I'm not saying Frozen is a masterpiece. The sequel sucked ass. But the first one is pretty ok.

@@mk007__ That's because Elsa's parents almost NEVER bothered to try and help her learn to keep her powers under control. Instead, they locked her up in her own room for her entire childhood and told her to always be afraid of herself (hence "conceal, don't feel"). Sure they gave her a pair of gloves, but that's pretty much it. It's so baffling considering that the trolls told them that if Elsa lets fear get the best of her, then she could potentially hurt or worse, kill somebody. Yet her parents did exactly what the trolls said not to because they're just too stupid to comprehend what the trolls actually meant. So Elsa's parents were to blame for her growing up to be a whiny, nervous, and helpless coward along with being unable to control her powers. She clearly would know that it happened because that would've immediately given her the traumatic flashback of her accidentally striking her sister in the head with her ice magic, which almost killed her, when they were just kids. And she would've done the right thing by chasing after her sister in order to make sure that she's ok and attempt to save her before she's done for instead of just staying behind in her ice palace and letting her sister along with the entire kingdom die from her own magic. Elsa still shouldn't have created the snow monster in the first place because it could likely murder somebody including Anna. If she really didn't want anybody, especially her sister, to get hurt, then she wouldn't have done so, but she did anyway.

I get what you mean, out of fear of offending or something, the supposedly powerful women characters don't feel human anymore, they're already perfect, strong without significant training or struggle, zero flaws, having bland cardboard personalities, a Mary Sue if you will. And their power is usually stereotypically masculine one, not relatable to vast majority of women, like being physically stronger than most people around, waltzing around in tight clothing through shady areas with zero care, normally we don't have these experiences.

@@InternetNonsense True. For me to feel that powerful, I would need at least an assault rifle. Better: A panzer battalion.

What you are talking about might not be just a shortcoming of hollywood "feminism" but of liberal feminism in general (which is dominant in hollywood social bubbles) which tends to ignore the class or race issues in the differences between women and so it tends to focus on the experiences of white upper middle class or upper class women in their rise to the top and not on those of more working class or lower middle class women who struggle everyday with kids, husbands and/or making a living inside the capitalist market from a position of high disadvantages, inequalities and rising cuts to the Welfare State. I am surprised that this video did not talk about the series Sex and the City which presented very well liberal feminism as the experiences of white upper middle class women who could earn a lot of money, be promiscuous and act all liberated but who were clearly living priviledged lifestyles which women of lower classes often do not have access to. All of these criticisms are what socialist feminists find as problems present in mainstream liberal feminism

Recently I saw a video about woke culture and although it had some valid criticism, the idea they defend about feminism is "strong" women that they are essentially men on a woman's body.

She was actually scary according to Geri in her autobiography. Geri was the mother of the group while Mel B was the bully.

Don't forget about the riot grrrl movement. Like seriously a lot of girls/women had to fight misogyny in the alt scene in order to get big there, and a lot of their songs have lyrics about feminism. I'm surprise the take hasn't done a video about them yet.

I was surprised blackpink werent in this video, having their lyrics written mostly by men, not contributing in any of it then preaching feminism and girl power 🚶🏻‍♀️ dont even get me started on how their company treates them.

@@chimchan8248 blackpink seems very woke based on how you describe them

@@kittykittybangbang9367 they re nowhere woke lmao. They cant even speak for themselves.

@@chimchan8248 oh 👌

Considering how many times she's been portrayed as a princess, she probably supports feudalism more than she supports capitalism.

I wonder hard about something: Shouldnt we flag or report a video or even a channel that is outright homophobic or transphobic. Added question: What about if they dont think of themselves as harmful; as most probably do. Like this 'Jesus heals Homosexuality; dont worry' is meant warm and kind but its vomit-inducing levels of bad and harmful, yeah? Commenting and trying to argue doesnt do anything anyway, so i wonder (with specific channels in mind): Shouldnt we flag such stuff; ignoring the resemblance of doing this in groups may have to 'Cancel-Culture'?? Commenting does nothing because of how the yt-algorythm works; thats just a fact. So what else is there to report? And reporting as an individual is just not effective as doing it in a group; so what? Am i supposed to rather ignore massively-problematic channel cause it would be so much worse to kinda maybe resemble c-cuture?

I don't think Margaret Thatcher standing up for herself was good for all women. Same goes for Phyllis Schlafly, Ann Coulter, Marjorie Taylor Greene etc. The actual ideology you're fighting for matters.

Whatever problems Xena had, that brand of can-do postfeminism beats the piss out of the trauma drama heavy antics of Intersectionlism. Xena would take one look at these schumcks today, who are hand wringing over gender neutral pronouns and empty buzzwords(toxic masculinity, male privilege, The Patriarchy), and promptly encourage them to come back down to Earth. She wouldn't be falling to pieces over catcalling, and would encourage other women to not do so either

Hell yes. And Xena was conventionally hot and athlete fit because of her job; not just because.

kinda sad how they always get ignored even though they`ve been going strong for 10 YEARS now, achieved so much and never lost their vision since day one ..... they deserve more recognition

They are kinda low impact to be honest.

Why is this the first time I'm hearing about Little Mix?

THANK YOU!! Pissed me off that NONE of them were mentioned (and they came before Frozen and Rapunzel) so, like...re-do this list lol

They have already included a lot of these characters in other videos. Maybe it'd help them to start pointing people towards their other content if they're interested in certain points? Like a 'further reading' list? The problem with the format is that they can't address everything, and it's a struge finding the right balance and focus.

@@caitlin329 buuuuut, this video basically brushed over them, and they were quintessentially apart of the girl power era. Just feels odd leaving them out but making sure to mention Frozen (like it was the first ti do so)

@@xxPepperPottsxx They brushed over/left out a huge amount of context and content, but that's the problem with the format and choosing such a broad topic to cover.

The group formed in 1994 but released their first single in 1996

There's a reason why male but not female protagonists are allowed to have a handicap and still be badass. A male character needs a vulnerability to make him interesting. A female character already is vulnerable.

Are you mansplaining capitalism?

Thomas hill- This whole channel covers that “thesis” in an in-depth and nuanced way in hundreds of videos without the condescension. Explaining something in-depth doesn’t mean the thesis isn’t obvious. It means they’ve done hundreds of hours of research to back up the ideas. Versus writing one snarky comment on a video like you’ve done.

@@c.l.bailey3256 thank you. that's just what i was going for.

@@thomashill3504 I’m sorry. I’m sure you’re a great person. Your tone just sounded belittling to the women who run The Take and anyone learning from them. Some people watching are 13 years old and may not know any of this.

@@doggytheanarchist7876 Satire or are your serious?

I thought they already did?

Yes, please! I know that they've already covered the Bad Boy, but I'd love to see his female equivalent!

And the Mistress

@@noahorakwue2653 could've sworn they did

@Mohlakala Tleane original stuff gets made but hardly anybody appreciates or supports it

@@telepathicmagicshop I'm just saying, using the spice girls as an apex for feminism is contradictory

Well, we gotta start somewhere, eh? It'd be nice to see/have seen a girl group run and supported by a woman/women in power, but percentage-wise, there are few women in power. We have to make the progress to get to that positive-starting-place, to make more progress. It's almost a catch-22.

@@iprobablyforgotsomething L. A. Reid's wife Pebbles created and managed TLC and despite them going multiplatinum they were broke because she did them dirty

So? Are we going to also banish all male characters created by women now? If that's the case, it's going to mean burning George Eliot(who was actually a woman)'s books, while also excising characters like Rochester and Heathcliff from Bronte's writings. Hell, we're going to have throw EL James, and that chick who wrote the After books into the bonfire as well. After all, they were women who created Christian Grey and Hardin Scott

And in this day and age it should have both female and male creators/managers. Or most female audiences, like things made by women for women.

Well at least it's advertising content and not merchandise.

"huh, i see that you live in a society! interesting" is not the clever gotcha that you think it is.

Capitalism exists in every society, and always has. Lots of luck, to those who think they're going to get rid of it

@Bell in Da Night You got me, honeybun. I dissent with and from some contemporary Far Left platitudes, therefore I haven't learned to think

@Bell in Da Night I dissent from the platitude which dictates that life is that simple and dichotomous, cooperation vs competition. We have done, and will always do both. These delusions that we're going to dismantle Western Civilization and rebuild from the ground up(not picking on The Woke Left here only. Quite a few conservatives harbor these sort of revolutionary pipe dreams also)detracts us from having a intellectually honest and deep conversation about practical reforms, which actually stand to uplift those who are in need. Ex. The Drug War has persisted since the 70s, in large part due to the fact that a handful of folks both in and out of the government are making billions off of it. Let's have a tooth and nail fight to end this destructive policy, for the sake of upholding our democratic values. We can cooperate with one another to bring this about, while also competing with those handful of plutocrats who are proponents of keeping The Drug War going

@Bell in Da Night The subject remains the same. We humans are both cooperative and competitive simultaneously. If you have evidence to suggest that this isn't so now, and hasn't always been the case throughout our history, do share

@Bell in Da Night The group who's consciously committed to building high-quality housing will build better houses. THAT'S A MATTER OF PERSONAL VALUES, AND NOT SOMETHING THAT EITHER STALE CONSERVATIVE SENTIMENTS, NOR TEPID WOKE THINKING CAN INSTILL IN FOLK. Get that through your thick simian skull, since we're now resorting to school yard insults

They do tend to frequently adept the least diverse lineups of most of the groups, I think. Definitely something interesting to look into. And then how they're treated within the narrative & the 'cinematic universe' if one exists is its own layer.

@@caitlin329 - yes -- that too.

In-Comics Wasp is a founding member of the Avengers. MCU Wasp is a sidekick to D-List hero Antman.

@@mysteriiis Yes and, instead of making the movie about Jan when they felt Hank didn’t have star power, they went with Scott Lang. Then there are the characters of Amora and Sylvie, each women with their own lives, who were combined into one woman and turned into the variant of a man.

And most of the time it’s a white women or a Black or WOC that’s a stereotype. 🤢

Contrast to 100 billion men. Your examples are well known because they are so rare.

@@scottslotterbeck3796 Please watch the video.

@@PokhrajRoy. so they were pop feminist?

@@kittykittybangbang9367 The representation was so scarce that any female leader is considered a feminist.

😂 They are not feminists they are conservative women

Me too

You're ridiculous.

me too!!! not with the exclusivity, racism, and all the other problems tho, we can do better!!

I'm all for a riot grrrl revival too, unfortunately rock is dead so it probably won't be the same

@@onthedefinitely No U. :P

Create a website for yourself and start printing business cards. The rest will happen 😁

Artemis is better

What is an Athena complex? Couldn’t find the definition on Google.

@@chickofmusic001 I think it's something to do with a "warrior mindset" since Athena is a warrior goddess.

@@chickofmusic001 guessing it means she would put down any woman who is a threat to her. Medusa is an example of that happening as she was raped but Athena punished her because she was more beautiful.

Me too, I couldn't click fast enough!

Sad

I don't see how Buffy is different than Barbie. I think that on the contrary, they are the exact same on two different mediums : one in live action, another animated. They are both strong flawed women who were strong enough to do their own things and succeed while maintaining their feminity and female-associated qualities such as kindness, loyalty and beauty. They were always kind smart, strong and beautiful. They also excelled in their tasks and had a strong support system. They grew at the end of each of their adventures and made their surroundings a little bit better around them, using the lesson they learned during their adventures to teach something to the audience. They were also made fun of and reduced to brain-dead pretty girls only fit to be easy on the eyes by people who didn't take the time to learn more about their messages and adventures.

@@susiem.2068 You’re not wrong. I admit I was also a bit insulted by that statement myself until I really thought about it. But I think the main issue with that segment is the Take seems to mention Buffy being a Barbie as a negative thing. Like yeah, Buffy is a badass but she’s still very attractive and very feminine. And there’s nothing wrong with those traits at all. I don’t really know what the Take was trying to say there (I guess they were trying to comment on how attractive women are always the heroes and never a woman who is not considered conventionally attractive?) but it definitely came off as a bit negative perspective on such an awesome character.

I think it’s the TV show, Shrill, on Hulu. It might be on other platforms too

@@c.l.bailey3256 thank you!

As a feminist, I have no say on what another woman's experience of womanhood is and I include trans womens' experience in this. As a humanist, I have no say in another person's harmless self actualization.

The feminism that capitalism doesn't like (these feminists are frequently banned from businesses, sites and public life) say it's oppression tourism. The word "woman" is reserved for female people, always has been. How else can they organize and discuss experiences of specific group of people if anyone can claim it?

@@InternetNonsense "the (exclusionary) feminism that capitalism doesn't like" is literally the most accepted form of feminism in the explicitly capitalist (and reactionary) UK...

But feminism is inherently political, you can't depoliticize it.

@@agirlwithdreams15 Perhaps true, although by "depoliticize", I meant "have a flavor of feminism that's like 90s girl power when it comes to politics, but also have that flavor be countercultural with regards to stuff like beauty standards" Remember, I'm planning with people who won't listen to politics that differ from theirs (a good chunk of the population nowadays) in mind.

I watched every series of Ladette to Lady. It was horrific but car crash TV. The participants were forced to learn skills that would even test professional chefs and flower arrangers. In one series they were invited to mix with some upper class people in episode four or five and one of them objected to the way the upper class girls accepted the sexist jokes made by the hunt leader. That was the one who won that series. It made a celebrity out of Rosemary Schrager though who then went on to I'm a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here.

"Up to now, America has not been a good milieu for the rise of a mass movement. What starts out here as a mass movement ends up as a racket, a cult, or a corporation." - Eric Hoffer, "The Temper of Our Time," 1967