Harvard Cancels Men's Soccer Season After Google Doc Exposed

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Harvard has canceled their men's soccer season after the team's online conversations became public. Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian, and Michael Shure, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below. tytnetwork.com/join
"The Harvard men's soccer team has been suspended for the remainder of the season after the school discovered the team had repeatedly written and circulated vulgar, sexually explicit "scouting reports" about new recruits on the women's team, in a practice that continued up to this year.
"The decision to cancel a season is serious and consequential," Harvard President Drew Faust said in a statement Thursday. She wrote that "both the team's behavior and the failure to be forthcoming when initially questioned are completely unacceptable, have no place at Harvard, and run counter to the mutual respect that is a core value of our community."
Men's soccer coach Pieter Lehrer said the team was "beyond disappointed" to see the season end this way, but would respect the decision.
"Actions have consequences, and character counts," Lehrer said in a statement. "We accept responsibility for our actions, and I know that we will use the experience of this terribly unfortunate situation to be better."
The suspension follows a story by The Harvard Crimson, the university's student newspaper, revealing that in 2012, the soccer team had circulated a "scouting report"on the new freshman recruits for the women's soccer team.
The document - which appeared to be part of an annual tradition - described the female players in graphic, frequently degrading terms. It ranked their attractiveness with numerical values, assigned them sexual positions, theorized about their sexual behavior and described their physical attributes in terms that were variously crude and insulting.
After that story, Harvard ordered a review of the team's behavior. The review found that the "scouting report" was, indeed, a tradition.”*
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@annatar6453 7 жыл бұрын

yeah like women never judge men on appearance GTFO

@annemarie4305 7 жыл бұрын

Annatar It's not about what women do, or even what men do. It's the fact that this very prestigious school hosted what was supposed to be a respectful and professional sports team that conducted very sexist and unprofessional behavior.

@CombateArmsOndraya 7 жыл бұрын

Women don't DOCUMENT it and EMAIL it to their teammates!

@sydandtaytum 7 жыл бұрын

it's not the judging part that is the problem. if it was private emails, no problem. but putting it in a google doc open to EVERYONE at the school (or the entire internet, not sure which), makes it wrong. the problem is putting it in the public sphere. call it defamation, call it emotional distress...they can and should be sued for it. if i was one of those women, i wouldnt feel safe around those guys anymore. why should i share a campus with them?

@RichardHorpe 7 жыл бұрын

Harvard shorties are still shorties. You just need to be wicked smaht to hit it.

@mangodude2258 7 жыл бұрын

not the same thing. women usually speak of male attributes with genuine passion and a wider variety. men just shit all over women and only give value to their looks. i'm really disappointed in cenk for his view on this.

@jimmybaggs5342 7 жыл бұрын

Because women never discuss men's physical attributes, right?

@CombateArmsOndraya 7 жыл бұрын

Not like this

@Sarah-ny8lw 7 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Baggs Does that mean they shouldn't be punished?

@viceroy2214 7 жыл бұрын

Ondraya Well they could, as far as I know we just haven't found a situation like this with women doing this.

@CombateArmsOndraya 7 жыл бұрын

Vice Roy That's the point, it's not in a public place. That's the issue

@richardventura6548 7 жыл бұрын

So what! Offensive talk will never end. People are people. Stupid guy talk is stupid guy talk. Cancel the season? Really!!!

@kingswordisbodoubleS 7 жыл бұрын

I talk a lot of shit about Cenk, but he is 100% right on this one..

@FindMe04 7 жыл бұрын

KingSword91LVTD Yeah, I'll give him credit for this one.

@bentrinker1937 7 жыл бұрын

KingSword91LVTD RIGHT!!!!

@ddburrows988 7 жыл бұрын

I'm with Cenk with this - this was meant to be private and was not used to intimidate. I'm a bit of a prudish girl but the whole while that Ana was setting up the story, I kept thinking - as coarse and demeaning their rating system was, isn't there freedom of speech in this country? Since, this did come out because they weren't careful enough, maybe they should be required to take a sensitivity training course, or, at least, a course about internet privacy - but, not take away their whole season.

@kathykelly5930 7 жыл бұрын

Ana is acting as if she is the person who didn't fat shame alex jones, as if she hasn't openly talked about her latin fever and as if she hasn't openly judged men on their looks on the actual show.

@djangomarine6658 7 жыл бұрын

kathy kelly Her hypocrisy when it comes to gender relations is almost unparalleled.

@seanmatthewking 4 жыл бұрын

There is freedom of speech in the country but not in a private school. Harvard has the right to create whatever environment they want. For example, Harvard is never going to purposefully admit a nazi. But if they found out a group of students identified as nazis, they could kick those students out. Beyond that point, I agree with you.

@unberyl 4 жыл бұрын

This was a pretty interesting conversation, but of course, too many weenies are all 😥😰😭 of what Ana had to say. I don't agree with her, but that'd be lovely to have that in-depth intellectual conversation.

@ShroomCorp 7 жыл бұрын

Love it when cenk actually defends guys vs SJW overlord Ana

@turtlepowersf 7 жыл бұрын

eloteh shes usually fairly level headed compared to some of the other women on this show. i was surprised she got so triggered

@AdmiralBlackstar 7 жыл бұрын

Ya...shame he didn't do it over something that was worth defending instead of these worthless piles of shit.

@PhilosphyCore 7 жыл бұрын

We're all social justice warriors on some issue.

@soccerguy325 7 жыл бұрын

Ana is nothing compared to Hannah.

@PhilosphyCore 7 жыл бұрын

meeg_2005 We're all SJWs on some issue.

@considerthis7680 7 жыл бұрын

Isn't that exactly how FACEBOOK got started?

@funnypeacefulgrateful9040 7 жыл бұрын

exactly

@fiachraoneil4492 7 жыл бұрын

Consider This Is there proof of that ? . Social network was amazing but has been called up on for not being accurate

@fiachraoneil4492 7 жыл бұрын

just wondering...

@MommaBao 7 жыл бұрын

Don't think there was such strong sexual innuendo like in this case

@fiachraoneil4492 7 жыл бұрын

yeah I don't it is a true story outside of the film

@roachqueen1973 7 жыл бұрын

Lesson here... don't put 💩 like this on Google docs and make I publicly available. Duh!

@stevejoseph4514 7 жыл бұрын

Anna needs to understand the difference between what Trump says and what these guys said at 18, 19, 20 years old.

@Arjay404 7 жыл бұрын

Age doesn't matter, the difference is illegal actions vs fantasies.

@KebradesBois 7 жыл бұрын

Ana is being an hypocrit cunt here, search for TYT "Guess The Camel Toe" or "Guess The Celebrity Cleavage".

@weldsj8847 7 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Trump actually admitted to sufficient facts to find him guilty of sexual assault. These guys were just being (relatively privately) rude. You don't give someone a death penalty for parking 7" from the curb. This was Draconian.

@prl4122 7 жыл бұрын

weldsj trump said women let him do what ever he wanted to them, that doesn't sound like sexual assault to me

@Arjay404 7 жыл бұрын

PRL 412 I bet you don't think it's sexual abuse when a child let's a adult abuse them. "Letting" someone do something does not give someone permission to do things to you when that person has power over you.

@ffunit 7 жыл бұрын

I hate it when people use the argument "What about your daughter" 1) It proves that their argument is weak and emotional based 2) That they think your principles are so weak that they can be over turned by the bias of you having a daughter

@DebF124 7 жыл бұрын

ffunit Exactly emotions arent an argument.... logic is...

@daAnT1990 7 жыл бұрын

exactly... if everyone thought like that there wouldn't be any daughters anymore ;D

@mrbadguysan 7 жыл бұрын

ffunit it's an attempt to illicit empathy, it isn't strictly an appeal to emotion.

@bdlog6092 7 жыл бұрын

not "to elicit empathy". It's an appeal to empathy, which is a foundation of functioning society. What's the point of any progressive thought if without empathy?

@mrbadguysan 7 жыл бұрын

Bryce Logan we're in agreement. I'm just trying to point out that saying "what if it was your daughter?" is not emotional manipulation.

@SargonofAkkad 7 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't even rate Ana.

@Keloot 7 жыл бұрын

naw i actually rate her 1/10 lmao

@Darwinfeeshy 7 жыл бұрын

Says the chubby, bearded Brit.

@Xeranx 7 жыл бұрын

Sargon strikes again. lmao

@doomedexistence 7 жыл бұрын

Rate her and you're sexist don't rate her and you're dehumanizing her

@Xeranx 7 жыл бұрын

Melanoma Trump Sargon rose to nearly 1/6 of TYT's subscriber count with barely a push for funds and he did it in less time. Also, his livestreams (he has a separate channel for this) garners anywhere from 500 to 4000 viewers at a time depending on the subject and/or who's on with him. When I used to watch TYT livestreams, they barely broke 400 for regular viewing. I'm jealous that one individual can do that on their own work never mind piggy backing professionals.

@WhyDodo 7 жыл бұрын

Woman here, and I agree 100% with Cenk.

@wjk2674 7 жыл бұрын

Why? I get the club argument... But they're not at a club. Its dragging Harvard through the mud

@wjk2674 7 жыл бұрын

Pamela Tammi i guess your right

@wjk2674 7 жыл бұрын

Pamela Tammi at first i thought you agreed with cenk which is agredious he's an idiot

@unberyl 4 жыл бұрын

Obviously a pretty interesting conversation, but too many weenies are all 😥😰😭 of what Ana had to say. I don't agree with her, but that'd be lovely to have that in-depth intellectual conversation.

@TailsKitsune7 7 жыл бұрын

I strongly disagree with Cenk. I mean, I know girls are not all about the looks but also who they are as a person. And everyone has opinions about what beauty is and what it isnt I just dont talk about it in a vulgar way, even tho most guys do Im prob an alien i know, but i cant see how u can defend these guys Its just creepy and over the top and not even right

@gardeninthevoid 7 жыл бұрын

no, see, guys (and just people in general) can talk about whatever they want - but when it's public, it means they messed up

@TailsKitsune7 7 жыл бұрын

Sad Lemon u cn say whatever u wnt but it doesnt mean its right- thts my argument Public or private

@robertacosta5201 7 жыл бұрын

Angel the fellow7 Only if unsolicited action is taken place.

@robertacosta5201 7 жыл бұрын

Angel the fellow7 Only if unsolicited action is taken place.

@justinruark5090 7 жыл бұрын

Ok, but am I allowed to have sexual thoughts about girls privately?

@quaxk 7 жыл бұрын

and the war on manliness continues...

@usalife6927 7 жыл бұрын

How is this a war on manliness ?

@Grimm_Butterfly 7 жыл бұрын

LMFAO! Harvard has to protect it's reputation. It was a PUBLIC document. THEN they continued to disobey

@Grimm_Butterfly 7 жыл бұрын

since when is it manly that after you get caught for bullshit to then cry and blame everyone else but yourself?

@Grimm_Butterfly 7 жыл бұрын

***** Yes, it does. It absolutely does. Welcome to the real world.

@rayhilton7986 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah spread sheets are the height of manliness.

@Gooseman2k2 7 жыл бұрын

When Cenk is the reasonable one on a panel... Hell Hath Frozen Over!!!

@dekep3336 7 жыл бұрын

Gooseman2k2 when Ana is the unreasonable crazy one who doesn't actually know what she's talking about... it's just another day on TYT

@AdmiralBlackstar 7 жыл бұрын

Still waiting for that day though.

@Gooseman2k2 7 жыл бұрын

Struggle Gaming Bring it!

@fod1202 7 жыл бұрын

There are no humans, nor "souls", in the magma portion of the Earth that the ancient iron age peasants confused for "hell".

@techniumunlimited4567 7 жыл бұрын

I hope women realize that we as men and you as women can have the feelings and fantasies you have and talk about them however you want, liberals are supposed to be about free speech. You know Podesta is having Spirit Dinners and HRC Foundation donated 10,000 to the occultist Abramovic in wikileaks, where she writes lewd sexual masochistic things on the wall with blood, yet this behavior is acceptable and crass language between guys isnt (I would say both are acceptable intellectually and morally as well as legally, its called LIBERALISM (FREEDOM TO __))? This is why we are voting Trump among millions of other reasons. Democrats have gone too far (and this is what the right has been calling the inertia of Political Correctness "thought-policing") and they will not see anyone that is perceived as "the dominate X" whether male, white, straight, you name it, as having the same rights that we accept they have. Cenks right, girls, the thought police is NOT something anyone should be supporting, including anyone here. We can fantasize about whatever we want, even if we are straight white males, and you should be celebrating our creativity if you actually appreciate respecting other people's creative sexuality however they want, so long as they don't actually commit a crime. I voted Bernie but I'm voting Trump because you are oppressive authoritarian thought police (democrats) in today's world, and while trump isn't a whole lot better, he's a hell of a lot better than Hillary.

@nickyvengeance3654 7 жыл бұрын

CENK is the only one talking sense

@nickyvengeance3654 7 жыл бұрын

Ana Kaspian is going to be a lonely, you can tell she doesn't have a argument but complains so much about men but doesn't understand them.

@robertgarvey4069 7 жыл бұрын

Sign of the times.

@robertgarvey4069 7 жыл бұрын

Sign of the times.

@biscuiteater5611 7 жыл бұрын

Nicky Vengeance nope. He's all bro talk to appeal to morons.

@PryncessAngelyk 7 жыл бұрын

Nicky Vengeance ...She already has a husband, and she's been with the guy for years. I'm pretty sure that he knows how she is- and likes her for it. Just because you can't handle a woman like her doesn't mean that another man can't.

@TheLynLyn57 7 жыл бұрын

Ana, I'm usually on your side, but get off your high horse. I do this with my friends, other women, and other men do this (we just aren't as dumb to post it anywhere where it could be found). To say you haven't is simply a lie.

@ChantalBenet 7 жыл бұрын

LOL . if Ana seems my chats with my girls talking about other girls and men she'd be triggered

@ChantalBenet 7 жыл бұрын

Kathryn Dorsey to be clear . i do consider myself a feminist . but OF COURSE both men and women talk like this and I 100% agree with Cenk . this is a private conversation between them, this is locker room talk . they should've NEVER been suspended, maybe a talk to like "hey guys, try not to be so insensitive, try to be more mature yadda yadda and next time don't post it in a google docs, use a whatsapp group chat" hahahhaha . Ana needs to understand this is normal, but I am a feminist

@jeffbridges5312 7 жыл бұрын

Yes women talk far, far more gross and obscene than men do.

@mikeyoungblood1642 6 жыл бұрын

Lyn I give her a slight pass on this due to her living in the LA bubble her whole life. She doesn't know what life is like in the blue collar work place in towns America. You can't legislate all sexism from the world. This would be harmless fun, but the dopes decided to write it down

@sayyid5869 6 жыл бұрын

Lyn You'd get it.

@loopje 7 жыл бұрын

Ana was EXTRA TRIGGERED 😂😂😂 lmaooo I imagine her new husband gets an earful every night...

@usalife6927 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah because women never discus male physical attributes, right ? 😊

@rodneyricket9746 7 жыл бұрын

Satanists glorifying murder of kids is art. Men talking about how hot girls are is evil. The thought Nazis have it all figured out.

@genevieve5651 7 жыл бұрын

Not like that.

@YogGroove 7 жыл бұрын

She can't even.

@isnow8278 7 жыл бұрын

robotturkey The Armanin genocide claimed the lives of over 1.5 million people. The group responsible for the genocide was named the young turks. please sign this petition to help pressure TYT to change its name. www.change.org/p/cenk-uygur-change-the-racist-name-of-the-young-turks?recruiter=618009158&

@Lunto88 7 жыл бұрын

the "thing" is that everyone expects students at one of the best universities in the entire world to be some sort of asexual, vegan, no-drugs-ever asian-hybrid learning robots. but no, they are just young people who are neither blind nor unaware of the opposing sex, it's normal and healthy. and seriously, girls judge guys just as or even more harshly than the other way around.

@yoshigarcia16 7 жыл бұрын

Jiggle Diggle True.

@patwilliam543 7 жыл бұрын

How tf do you think this is in anyway acceptable.

@C_mao 7 жыл бұрын

This is wrong! (They obviously should have been checking out the volley ball girls) they'r the ones wearing the booty shorts ! (:

@C_mao 7 жыл бұрын

And Cenk is right! sorry Anna (no soup for you)

@weldsj8847 7 жыл бұрын

I was shocked to hear her implying that relatively private behaviors require official sanction or rebuke. Really terrible.

@rubenpinamonti7125 7 жыл бұрын

A rare spark of intellectual honesty on Cenk's behalf

@joewatts9283 6 жыл бұрын

Right? I can't fuckin believe it.

@nathanosafoomane6224 5 жыл бұрын

Even a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.

@unberyl 4 жыл бұрын

@@nathanosafoomane6224 Why aren't you Right even twice a day then?

@unberyl 4 жыл бұрын

As everyone knows, this was obviously a pretty interesting conversation, just too many weenies who are all 😥😰😭 of what Ana had to say. I don't agree with her, but that'd be lovely to have that in-depth intellectual conversation.

@nathanosafoomane6224 4 жыл бұрын

@@unberyl You don't even know me. Go away

@T4JZtv 7 жыл бұрын

Finally Cenk standing up for men.

@DebF124 7 жыл бұрын

T4JZ It was shocking he finally challenged Ana's SJW nonsense....

@tangledupinbluuu 7 жыл бұрын

WATCH THAT MORON DEBATE DENESH...A CLOWN ACT..

@stunner777 7 жыл бұрын

You obviously don't watch tyt if you think he doesn't stand up for men or for the right thing.

@tangledupinbluuu 7 жыл бұрын

Rajan Gill i stand up for men...its what we do...we're men....as for the right thing not a chance...he stands up for whatever he's told to stand up for...tyt isnt self funded....if his donors say shit in ur hat he shits in his hat...100% fact...i pay the bill u do as i say......period...if u want to keep ur job that is....if u really want truth follow self funded operations...

@somebody2619 7 жыл бұрын

Rajan Gill *WHAT EVER YOU DO, DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS TROLL D FIELDS. IT WILL TRY AND BAIT YOU INTO AN ARGUMENT AND WASTE YOUR TIME. DO NOT BE BAITED! !!!!*

@strictlybizb7791 7 жыл бұрын

if the womens team did this towards men there would be 0 outrage.

@CommanderJoir 7 жыл бұрын

Pretty much, And Pia Sundhagen (head coach of the Sweden Women's Football team) directly or indecently said it is a common thing (bad language and behaviour) in the "football world" regardless of gender, and they (as her and her team) do not tolerate anything like that from their team (atleast)

@bdlog6092 7 жыл бұрын

StrictlybizB, I don't think so. Some people might be okay with females finally having their turn to degrade men...but "zero outrage"? That's reductive bullshit. I think. most males and females that I know dislike the kind of TALK, public or private...but putting it in a document is to sexual harassment what torturing animals is to serial killers.

@SlipperyTeeth 7 жыл бұрын

+Bryce Logan That's because you only hang around preppy people. Only those type of people would dislike that kind of talk in private. Take your head out of your ass and chill. It's not that big a deal either way.

@strictlybizb7791 7 жыл бұрын

Bryce Logan yes ZERO. Of course everyone isnt going to be okay with women degrading men but not so much as to garner any public outcry relative to what were seeing of men degrading women. all degredation of any gender is wrong imo but degredation against women by men is taken waaaaay more seriously.

@bdlog6092 7 жыл бұрын

StrictlybizB There WOULD be public outcry if the women's soccer team committed these thoughts to paper and shared them. They'd get in some kind of trouble. And some brand of feminists would seek to exonerate them. Not I. Wondering about another person's sexual endowments or appetite are one thing. Making a discussion of those private matters with others is another. Documenting your thoughts and sharing them with your sports team...that's still two levels deeper. And now it's sexual harrassment.

@MrGrowslikeatree 7 жыл бұрын

I have to agree with Cenk. These guys were being really dumb for putting this in writing and not making it private at the very least, but it wasn't criminal. Let 'em go! Let 'em go! I love you Ana, but there is no element of power involved in addition to it not being intentionally public. Ana, I just don't think you heard the point Cenk was making. The language is commonplace among men, and it's different than Trump because it wasn't a threat of assault or intentionally public.

@kathykelly5930 7 жыл бұрын

Donald Trump literally said they let me do it

@animelytical8354 7 жыл бұрын

+kathy kelly "because I'm rich". That's a power thing and even that would be able to be swept under the rug (Cenk agrees) had there not been actual instances of him doing things to women that they did not want him to do, regardless of his narcissism.

@FindMe04 7 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Seale at the same time I understand the college because the students represent the college. People don't want Harvard to be knowing about it and just look the other way. If it hadn't gone public then it wouldn't matter.

@Hoopr32 7 жыл бұрын

"The language is commonplace among men, and it's different than Trump because it wasn't a threat of assault or intentionally public." Trump's wasn't a threat or intentionally public either. He was literally saying that women let the rich and famous do certain things they wouldn't allow others to.

@Hoopr32 7 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Seale Trump literally said "they let you do it," implying consent from women. It's right in the tape.

@EvangelistToyaHasia 7 жыл бұрын

Wow. I've never seen Ana scream at Cenk like this before.

@NessOnett8 7 жыл бұрын

"But babe" - Cenk 2016

@usalife6927 7 жыл бұрын

Why did you quote those words from Cenk ?

@hamndv 7 жыл бұрын

USA Life he is writing a book about Cenk

@Lerium 7 жыл бұрын

Because Cenk said it to Ana on the live show

@infinitevos 7 жыл бұрын

Kml. Instant classic.

@NessOnett8 7 жыл бұрын

USA Life he slipped in the live taping. Was edited out. But was extremely funny and we should make sure to embarrass Cenk with it for at least a week because that's how the internet works.

@andy602 7 жыл бұрын

Please stop calling it Soccer. Literally everyone else calls it football.

@internetizmyhome 7 жыл бұрын

Andy Forbes it was called soccer originally

@Chimera1591 7 жыл бұрын

Andy Forbes No, it's a cultural thing. Still calling it biscuits, England, everyone calls it cookies.

@gaiusclaudiusglaber6279 7 жыл бұрын

In the north of Mexico we call it soccer too

@qotyop 7 жыл бұрын

that's what you took away from this... XD

@lymonddufresne2103 7 жыл бұрын

Everyone else is wrong.

@ryanbates4412 7 жыл бұрын

I originally disliked, until I heard Cenk defend them. Thank you TYT you may now take my upvote.

@nemosquare4845 7 жыл бұрын

Ryan bates Disliked for using Reddit term on KZfaq.

@ryanbates4412 7 жыл бұрын

Touche. You have won this round, but I shall strike back with a furious vengeance.

@gonyea12 7 жыл бұрын

Reverse the roles; what if an all female team rated male freshman according to physical attractiveness? I don't think it's a big deal as long as no one gets hurt. The only odd thing is that making lists like this of your classmates is a little too 7th grade.

@o0Theresa0o 7 жыл бұрын

It isn't only about rating them on their physical attractiveness (although that's pretty fucking shitty in and of itself). But it wouldn't be the same if the roles were reversed, for a number of reasons. 1. Men have not been raised in a culture that have told them their value is inherently linked to their physical attractiveness, or their 'fuckability'. 2. Men have not spent lifetimes trying to overcome these value judgments, trying to prove that they are in fact more than their attractiveness. 3. Men are not in imminent danger of women sexually abusing, harassing, assaulting, raping, or discriminating against them. You cannot look at this devoid of the social constructs that surround it.

@o0Theresa0o 7 жыл бұрын

AirAssassin2016 How about you look at the statistics. Men kill women at a much, MUCH, higher rate than women kill men.

@o0Theresa0o 7 жыл бұрын

AirAssassin2016 Based on the intelligence of your responses, this might be lost on you, but here you go: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092

@aarnavchaturvedi2552 6 жыл бұрын

Trickius I'm a trans man, I was raped by another woman, so know I'm some liar or bad person in your eyes

@StephanieElayne 7 жыл бұрын

as usual Cenk is right

@yoshigarcia16 7 жыл бұрын

Stephanie Salan Agree.

@christophercraig2496 7 жыл бұрын

It was childish, unclassy, and ultimately, stupid, but I would have to agree with Cenk. Besides, when has the majority of young women, ever been attracted to the boy scout, next to the "bad boy" in college?

@techniumunlimited4567 7 жыл бұрын

Yes it is, all emotions are normal

@MRostendway 7 жыл бұрын

cad80 24 Its scary how many people minimise actual sexism and rape by lumping it together with harmless lockerroom banter.

@Xeranx 7 жыл бұрын

Stephanie Salan you obviously have internalized misogyny.

@leonidays898 7 жыл бұрын

Ana is constantly over the top. She always has to curse and yell. It takes away from her point to be honest.

@funnypeacefulgrateful9040 7 жыл бұрын

she is a whiny little bitxh and a giant hypocrite

@AndyBiz10 7 жыл бұрын

Ana gets way too triggered when discussing stories like this, she must be such a buzz kill at parties lol.

@helpihavenoskin8939 7 жыл бұрын

she is an unlikable bitch pure and simple

@weldsj8847 7 жыл бұрын

I think I would enjoy arguing with her. But does she know when to stop?

@AndyBiz10 7 жыл бұрын

LITYYYYYY LMAO

@KrazeeClark 7 жыл бұрын

"Debbie Downer"

@unberyl 4 жыл бұрын

@trinikenshin 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you Cenk for actually standing up for regular guys! I'm impressed actually. Ana, on the other hand is exploding with sjw rage

@unberyl 4 жыл бұрын

Of course, this was a pretty interesting conversation, but too many weenies are all 😥😰😭 of what Ana had to say. I don't agree with her, but that'd be lovely to have that in-depth intellectual conversation.

@skweaky333 7 жыл бұрын

I'm a girl and I think what the guys did was normal.... girls do the same we just aren't public about it.

@ChazCharlie1 7 жыл бұрын

skweaky333 they weren't public, they were exposed.

@MrZanvine 7 жыл бұрын

skweaky333 Girls just aren't as dumb as these Harvard guys...

@ambassadoroftruth99 7 жыл бұрын

skweaky333 - with a sexy picture like that you don't need to say you're a girl. I hope you're not offended by my comment.

@DRock7977 7 жыл бұрын

Girls are much smarter about it.

@oO_ox_O 7 жыл бұрын

skweaky333 Ana's later argument was that it was the sort of language that made it worse, girls use only flowery language?

@OlaJustin 7 жыл бұрын

Yes! I love it when they dont agree! :)

@OlaJustin 7 жыл бұрын

Oh, and thank you Cenk for being honest and in this case right.

@glennv3176 7 жыл бұрын

Cenk is SJW but not "batshit crazy SJW". The girl is, so much so that she can make Cenk cringe.

@OlaJustin 7 жыл бұрын

+Glenn V So true! And there is a difference to be for social justice and be a SJW, and Ana is waaaaaaay out there. I think there is a lot of feminism in her point of view also. And feminists would be raging over a thing like this.

@manweller1 7 жыл бұрын

This is not news, well it's news to feminist but to the rest of the rational thinking planet earth naaaaaaa

@jash6105 7 жыл бұрын

Tyt needs polls on who you agree with when it gets heated like this

@unberyl 4 жыл бұрын

@SeanBryantHayes 7 жыл бұрын

8:40 Ana's face when she gets the people's elbow, lol. edit: LOL, then she goes off the deep end. #triggered #destroyed

@yoshigarcia16 7 жыл бұрын

Sean Hayes Regressives. 😩

@Malepical 7 жыл бұрын

Sean Hayes LMAO! i saw your comment at three and a half minutes and damn near couldnt wait to get there... i was NOT disappointed

@MaoTseFunkadelic 7 жыл бұрын

9:31 is classically stereotypical too. "LEMME FINSH MY POINT.......I don't have a point". Meme material right there XD

@yam83 7 жыл бұрын

Sean Hayes Ahahahaha PRICELESS

@MaoTseFunkadelic 7 жыл бұрын

Mancheeze Because when a woman is perceived to be wrong about something, her critics must hate women. Flawless reasoning.

@ACsPianoCorner 7 жыл бұрын

The genders will be forever divided on this in my opinion. Guys know how crass and moronic "we" can be especially when it comes to topics involving women, which is why Cenk & Michael mostly agree its locker room talk. In relation to Ana's point & women in general, they too can be crass and of course rate men but they in most cases don't take it as far as men. The problem for me is when the language becomes more than vapid speech and becomes something that is published. Once the soccer team put this online they effectively published the hot or not doc & opened themselves up to this possibility. Nothing is really private online and so it was almost inevitable this would happen. For that reason I actually agree with the soccer ban but make no mistakes this kind of thing will continue so long as there are males and females and we will never see eye to eye on this matter completely.

@Geneforson 7 жыл бұрын

Very astute... and accurate (imo).... analysis

@awall18ify 7 жыл бұрын

I think the dividing line come downs to have you ever felt objectified to a point that your felt powerless and unsafe. Have you experienced being viewed as nothing more than object for the sexual pleasure for another and had to think up scenarios for how to get out of situations so that you don't get hurt. Have you ever felt scared for your well being when your 'No thank you' or ' I'm not interested' is not accepted? If you have been made to feel this way, then those crass words cause a visceral reaction and I can not think of another woman that I know that has not felt that way. I am willing to assume a much smaller number have men have felt that way.

@fod1202 7 жыл бұрын

+Aaron Coke If nothing is really private online, I hope you don't keep a computer on you at all time, say a phone. Because, in that case, your voice, location and possibly image are online.

@keepernod2888 7 жыл бұрын

"...they too can be crass and of course rate men but they in most cases don't take it as far as men." Trying to pass opinion as fact?

@ACsPianoCorner 7 жыл бұрын

Keeper Nod, my 1st line states "The genders will be forever divided on this IN MY OPINION". This is just my opinion, nothing more.

@ramonalejandrosuare 7 жыл бұрын

Ana is basically arguing that people don't have a right to be vulgar in private. This is an absolutely insane standard for any free speech society to have.

@cheepcheeps1170 7 жыл бұрын

Ana: 1) Physical: 8/10; 2) Sexual Appeal: 6/10; 3) Sex position: Face sitting.

@cheepcheeps1170 7 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Hall Na, there's a running joke in the TYT comments section about Ana face sitting. There used to be a TYT troll called Ana Please Sit On My Face but TYT blocked him several times.

@ryanwilhite 7 жыл бұрын

This segment ended too early. I would have loved to hear Ana's response to Cenk's final point.

@marcusr6201 7 жыл бұрын

Why? All she did was get loud and angry again. (I saw it on the live stream.)

@ryanwilhite 7 жыл бұрын

CahootsConspiracy I didn't see it live. Cenk's argument was just so solid I wanted to see how she could even try to disagree with it.

@Adiorocks949 7 жыл бұрын

Really wish they would've kept in the "but Babe", so freakin funny.

@saeeddali3145 7 жыл бұрын

never ...ever try to start a discussion with faminazi . just dont

@ValaShen 7 жыл бұрын

I understand where they both are coming from but I have to agree with Ana on this. Cenk's opinion is that they didn't intend for this to get out so they shouldn't face punishment. I fully understand that it's just REAL locker room talk but their intent doesn't matter. It got out. Somebody has to face consequences. If the school doesn't act on it then it will make the whole school look as if they welcome that kind of behavior. Now women will look at that school and will question whether or not they will be welcome there. People who graduated from that school may be affected by it. Here's an example. If John was in a back room saying racist, sexist or homophobic things, you can say that's between him and whoever he's talking to. If that conversation got out through audio or video then John would have to answer to the leaked conversation. Regardless of what John would say about it, that event would reflect on TYT itself. Therefore something SHOULD happen. Simply saying what happened was inappropriate is one option but would do very little to convince anyone. IfJohn was reprimanded, that would convey more strongly that TYT doesn't support that kind of behavior. Call it what you will. Their intent doesn't matter. It happened and now they all look like sexist idiots.

@SeanBryantHayes 7 жыл бұрын

How DARE men think of women sexually. If there's one thing 21 year old men are definitely NOT supposed to think of it's sex. FOR SHAME.

@TailsKitsune7 7 жыл бұрын

Damn, i thought Harvard people were smart

@henderson482 7 жыл бұрын

What, young men saying sexual things about woman, say it aint so........

@unberyl 4 жыл бұрын

@MikeBenko 7 жыл бұрын

The thing is...We reached a point where male heterosexual sexuality, simply male sexuality is considered "offensive" and "toxic". Now male sexuality is either expressed on female terms, it isn't allowed to be expressed.

@gigijbijbj 7 жыл бұрын

Mihalis Benko nailed it

@sydandtaytum 7 жыл бұрын

i think if it was private emails, cenk has a point- that's a private conversation. but a google doc public to other people at the school, or the rest of the internet--- no, that is humiliating and therefore they can be sued for emotional distress. if it is something they can be sued for, they should definitely be punished by the school. i'm actually surprised they weren't expelled.

@chiragrulze 7 жыл бұрын

Technically their google document was hacked. Lets assume that you sent a private email or txt to your friend saying you think that guy is hot and that he wants me. I can hack it and post it online. Does that make you the bad guy? No because your emails and txts were intended to be private but were hacked. Same with the google doc. It was intended to be private and was hacked.

@sydandtaytum 7 жыл бұрын

chiragrulze nowhere in the story did they say it was hacked. the reporter went to the guys' gmail (from her account), clicked on their profile, clicked on his docs, and there it was. there is no hacking, cause then this wouldn't even be a story.

@Evelyne571 7 жыл бұрын

they're not gonna expel their athletes lol

@sydandtaytum 7 жыл бұрын

sestrahello i think it's more that most if not all come from rich families with lots of useful connections and money. who knows how much the boys' daddies donated to the school to keep them from being expelled.

@Evelyne571 7 жыл бұрын

sydandtaytum true

@sd1349 7 жыл бұрын

All I know is this... Had that been a bunch of black guys, this story would be scrutinize differently. And they would have been kicked out of that school. 100%

@christinepierce7560 7 жыл бұрын

Stuart Davidson 🤔Wow here comes the race card.🙄

@russelld2925 7 жыл бұрын

Stuart Davidson Your crazy. If they were black they would not have been punished at all. You can't punish an oppressed people. Don't you know how the victim hierarchy works?

@sd1349 7 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Hall Nope... All Of You.

@darlenebimbai2145 7 жыл бұрын

Ana really needs to calm down. It seems like every story she does, she gets irate. I used to like her in the early days but now she's mostly unwatchable. The quality of journalism on TYT is really pathetic at times, I come to watch intelligent mature debates on stories, not people throwing tantrums and screaming their heads off because people disagree with them. Very disappointed with TYT..

@SpicyTake 7 жыл бұрын

I am finding it hard to care about anyone who goes to Harvard.

@Xeasar 7 жыл бұрын

They're still normal people like you and me, just probably, a bit more smarter or more hard working. That's an irrelevant fact that it is Harvard.

@SpicyTake 7 жыл бұрын

Xeasar Not smarter and not more hard working. I just got home from work. :)

@Xeasar 7 жыл бұрын

What point is that supposed to make? It's 9AM here.

@SpicyTake 7 жыл бұрын

Xeasar Leave me alone. I'm sleep deprived.

@funnypeacefulgrateful9040 7 жыл бұрын

no care necessary. It might even annoy them if you care. You exist on their terms. Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Barack Obama, John F. Kennedy...... .Get money out of politics.

@sydneyallen5788 7 жыл бұрын

STOP MAKING THE "boys will be boys" EXCUSE.

@JustinGrant 7 жыл бұрын

FINE! People will be people. BETTER?!?

@mendingwall3823 7 жыл бұрын

Sir O' Tilc women do it too but we are not talking about women and men in general. People keep forgetting this is not just talk. This was about circulating documentation. If the women's team was doing this, they didn't get caught because they didn't make it public. Honest, how do you think the men would react if it was done to them this way.

@KnuckleHunkybuck 7 жыл бұрын

Cisphobe.

@nejisamakage 7 жыл бұрын

Sydney Allen well, boys will be boys, it's a fact.

@pingpongwigwom4790 7 жыл бұрын

not an excuse its a reason and a valid one at that.

@ericrothmuller8739 7 жыл бұрын

The main reason they should have been punished is because they did this as a year to year "practice" within the school's soccer team forceably subjecting new soccer players into this mean and degrading ritual which lowers women to being nothing more than sex.

@rustyshackleford4743 7 жыл бұрын

So I'm guessing for this video's rating, it was a Like for Cenk, Dislike for Ana. Ana actually is more regressive than Cenk... wow

@XAVIERCUERVO 7 жыл бұрын

Calm down Anna if it makes you fell better i think you are a ten

@BrianShaneRushton 7 жыл бұрын

She's an 8 imo

@XAVIERCUERVO 7 жыл бұрын

yeah well thats like...... your opinion man

@Xeranx 7 жыл бұрын

Ana is an 8 on the Feminazi scale. I agree.

@zacharykelway5797 7 жыл бұрын

she's a 5 and that's after plastic surgery. Take the make up off and she looks like screech from saved by the bell.

@meymay11 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah women don't really do this at all. Women don't talk about men the way men talk about women. I don't know why men insist that we do.

@nejisamakage 7 жыл бұрын

HelenaJ so what, we talk differently about the opposite gender. We are intrinsically different.

@PaddySnuffles 7 жыл бұрын

Women in North America have a 1 in 5 chance of getting raped in their lifetime (according to the CDC - Stats Canada says 1 in 4). Treating sexual objectification in academic and work-related topics/settings as being no big deal normalizes the view that a woman's main purpose is to be sexually gratifying to men. They were conversing about an athlete's abilities based on their sexual appeal - and through an academic forum, not in a private facebook chat among buddies. That detail makes a difference.

@talyahr3302 7 жыл бұрын

As a WOMAN, I honestly agree with Cenk here. Ana honestly needs to calm down. In America you have a right to free speech. As long as your speech isn't a dangerous threat, libel, slander, etc. You have a right to be an asshole. Its not illegal to say nasty shit. Would I like guys saying that about me when I go off to college? No, I wouldn't LIKE it. But whatever, as long as your words don't turn into actions. You have the right to say dumb shit behind closed doors. This conversation was meant to be private. If the men were doing this stuff explicitly out in public and telling the girls what their rank is, their position, etc. then that's sexual harassment, bullying and such. But that's not what this was. I'm a woman, I wouldn't even date to pretend like I and other girls don't objectify men. Admittedly, not to this degree but still. I mean this stuff is so human and not directly hurting anyone. Like goodness gracious get off your high horses people and cast the first stone. Ana kind of sounds like one of those crazy moms/ 3rd wave feminists here tbh.

@hiltonss1 7 жыл бұрын

Ms. TR - i understand your point,so what do you believe the punishment should have been?

@CourtneyHaynes 7 жыл бұрын

I can see where they're both coming from. But I kind of see it as an issue of intent. If you purposely run into someone's mailbox with your car, that's like vandalism and possibly intimidation. If you accidentally do it, that's like reckless driving. Not as bad, but bad nonetheless. These young men thoughtlessly made a document open to the public that would shame young women at that school. Not as bad as purposely doing it, but, I think, bad nonetheless.

@nezerac 7 жыл бұрын

does anyone else remember how Ana was at the helm of TYT for a couple of weeks and stories like this would pop up and she'd argue down the panel to going with her oversensitivity on this subject in particular? I'm still confused on how she can be ok with cat-calling but saying this on a very out of the way channel is demeaning to women?

@nezerac 7 жыл бұрын

let me add that those two weeks really made me appreciate Cenk. He wasn't far left to the point that it makes us all look just as crazy as the far right.

@TheSexyN3RDZ 7 жыл бұрын

So where do you draw the line? Is it ever appropiate to discuss the appearance of women or should we just repress any sort of opinion we have?

@Sariya_Inari 7 жыл бұрын

Agree, I mean guys are already taught from a young age to repress emotions and "man up" can be a bit damaging not having the full range of human emotion and being hopped up on aggression all the time. Guess it doesn't matter that this is basically saying "well you should repress any sort of sexual desire too".

@chiragrulze 7 жыл бұрын

Might as well castrate all men. It will be easier.

@chiragrulze 7 жыл бұрын

ChakatBlackstar You clearly have no concept of humour. Also next time my girlfriend tell me to talk dirty to her, I'll tell her that she's being a mysoginistic pig and that I don't have sexual thoughts about doing her doggystyle or any other positions. I'll tell her to get lost and stop triggering me. Because wanting to have sex with the person of opposite sex is mysogynistic.

@AdmiralBlackstar 7 жыл бұрын

Javier Gomez You shouldn't share that because it's rude and inappropriate. I am surprised that this concept is so hard for some people, but that's the bottom line.

@AdmiralBlackstar 7 жыл бұрын

chiragrulze If that was meant to be funny, then I think you're the one in need of humor lessons.

@jephteyiphtah3458 7 жыл бұрын

someone give Ana a loaf of bread she needs to revert to her natural state as a sandwich maker

@djangomarine6658 7 жыл бұрын

jephte Yiphtah I sooo want to make a joke about the time of month or being bitter or jealous and needing some vitamin D, but I don't want to hurt anyone's extra fragile feelings with my rape culture language that wouldn't actually encourage rape.

@shekool18 7 жыл бұрын

Just had to comment on this again. Any is very hypocritical about this

@joeytheredkangaroo9393 7 жыл бұрын

How so ?

@djangomarine6658 7 жыл бұрын

JoeyTheRedKangaroo Because women sexualize, rank and body shame men all the time. Just like cheating, women do it almost as much as men, they're just better at not getting caught.

@joeytheredkangaroo9393 7 жыл бұрын

Django Marine Oh this is general, I was thinking it was something specific that the first post was speaking about.

@KebradesBois 7 жыл бұрын

Something like that: "Guess The Camel Toe" or "Guess The Celebrity Cleavage" on TYT channel.

@ortiz11039 7 жыл бұрын

the moment ana brought jenk daughter into the mix proved to me her argument was weak. based on emotion only. sink low and use family to attack

@Pixiestickmatch12 7 жыл бұрын

I have to STRONGLY, disagree with Ana on this one. I think she's making too big of a deal on the words the college boys made in what they thought was private.

@chiragrulze 7 жыл бұрын

Anytime a man finds a women attractive or rates her he is objectifying her. This is why we need feminism. This is the definition of rape culture. Men shouldn't be looking at women and being attracted to them even in relationships. Every time a man wants to have sex with his girlfriend or finds his girlfriend attractive he is sexually objectifying her. Women ofcourse don't do this. Feminism is needed much more then ever now.

@stevengonzalez3014 7 жыл бұрын

chiragrulze true

@Pixiestickmatch12 7 жыл бұрын

chiragrulze Women of course don't do this huh? I am high skeptical towards your claims. Anyways don't get me wrong, feminism is needed and appreciated but a clear line needs to be drawn between activism and fanaticism.

@Pixiestickmatch12 7 жыл бұрын

Steven Gonzalez explain, i am genuinely curious.

@StylesisTNA 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah this is bullshit. If they were just rating women and guy talk I don't see the big deal.

@jenniferrader1170 7 жыл бұрын

Anna...you are correct it is the same thing as sexual harassment in the workplace. They share the same practice field, gyms, and classrooms.

@ongobongo8333 7 жыл бұрын

How dare men ever express their sexuality!

@cognitivedissonance9737 7 жыл бұрын

Men and women think about this all the time. We usually just don't say it.

@UNLebanon 7 жыл бұрын

It is objectifying women. It may not be as bad as assaulting someone, but it is still wrong. Treating women as objects is wrong and it reflects poorly on the school and the soccer team. I'm not saying they should get kicked out or anything like that, but yeah a school punishment for the shame they brought to the school, the team, and themselves should be employed. And it was.

@koimiesprofeetta4832 7 жыл бұрын

I played Div1 hockey for a major university that also had a ladies Div 1 hockey program. Our coach demanded not only do we treat the ladies with respect they should be like your sister. We protected them supported them and celebrated with them when they won the title. Most schools athletic directors are worthless they hire coaches and recruit players for winning not to be gentlemen or scholars.

@Tennisplayer123 7 жыл бұрын

One important thing they didn't really talk about is if the crime meets the punishment. Because I agree with both sides. I agree that it was locker room talk and not meant to be public, but the fact of the matter is it IS public now. And that's their fault, and they should accept responsibility for making that mistake. All the women involved are now affected by this document. BUT I think the crime was WAYYY over reacting. Maybe you find out who was involved and suspend them 1 game or something, but the whole season? C'mon...

@aliceaman7414 7 жыл бұрын

Really like the first point that "but the fact of the matter is it IS public now. "

@MattMackie2 7 жыл бұрын

Overreaction

@MattMackie2 7 жыл бұрын

Completely agree with Cenk here

@ToddMikosh 7 жыл бұрын

I am reacting to Cenk's defense of this document. In a sense, the discovery of this document being publicly available is the same as posting the names and addresses of people who voted for stricter gun controls in New York City--there's no actual crime in that, is there? While the posting of those names and addresses was not accompanied by recommendations of violence or retaliation, the implication was clear. The publication of this document--even if it was unintentional--has the same nature associated with it. The recommendation of official actions based on the information contained in it was IMPLIED and therefore criminally valid. That's why I am glad that the reporter at the school paper published it in the newspaper! So that everyone who reads that newspaper will know that every official decision they make about the students named in it will be tainted by that information. Also, in criticism of Cenk's closing comment, "in jest", it creates a hostile environment which constitutes an act of Sexual Harassment, and cannot be considered accidental because it has been done year after year--it is a systemic behavior that must be described as "tolerated by the administration" (because it's an annual thing), and therefore becomes a massive black eye for the school itself.

@sircharlesmormont9300 7 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure that canceling a soccer season is the end of the world. What the young men did wrong was to give the university a black eye by posting sexually derogatory remarks about other students on not just a public forum, but one connected to the school. I could be wrong, but I imagine the school has some kind of code about what is acceptable use and what isn't. What the students do on their own time is one thing, but when they're getting the school involved, then the school has to act to protect their brand. Now, I think further investigation should have been done and just the ringleaders should have been made to miss a few games, as I seriously doubt the entire team was involved in posting the list. But still, I think the school is within its rights to decide how its public communication resources can be used. I would say the same thing about any school, not just Harvard.

@oblivionreb 7 жыл бұрын

If you watched the live stream, the argument ends when Cenk accidentally calls Anna "babe".

@thatindiandude4602 7 жыл бұрын

Oblivionreb Armegeda Did that axtually happen?

@MsTosica 7 жыл бұрын

Anil Nair yes it did but it was actually funny and lightened the intensity.

@chriswave1992 7 жыл бұрын

just because they judged them by looks? That's a little harsh.

@art070769 7 жыл бұрын

I agree with Ana. It is OK to evaluate another person's appearance but the language used to express that evaluation should not be mean spirited or degrading especially if it is written down. The cancellation of the season seems extreme but it is just a game, not very important in the larger scheme and they faced no legal or academic penalty.

@zennincasl9425 7 жыл бұрын

I'm somewhere in the middle on this issue. I think the players have the right to say what they want as long as it's not harassment or making a threat, but I also think think that Harvard has the right to hand down punishment. The document was public, whether it was meant to be or not doesn't matter. It reflects badly on the university and Harvard has the right to hold its students to a certain standard and hand down reasonable punishment.

@gordonfreeman6896 7 жыл бұрын

guys being guys? THIS MUST STOP NOW

@BLEURfangers 7 жыл бұрын

I'm with Ana on this, there's a big difference between talking to your friends in private about how attractive you find someone versus having a documented rating system to share with your organization or club, regardless of whether that system is semi-private. There is a mindset that reduces the value of a person to zero once the criteria is based solely on physical appearance.

@DrKnockOut1115 7 жыл бұрын

As if women don't also rate men on sex appeal. But no, it's only bad when men do it, right?

@BLEURfangers 7 жыл бұрын

..."There is a mindset that reduces the value of a person to zero..." = gender neutral. Guess you skipped reading comprehension in getting that doctorate. 😉

@V3NG3ANC33 7 жыл бұрын

So i can't message my friend saying that i find this girl hot and i want to have sex with her?

@justinsaneti8964 7 жыл бұрын

Anna is 100% wrong on this, and starts acting rather condescending actually.

@oolong2 7 жыл бұрын

So would Ana think that there should be consequences if they were just talking about this stuff in a locker room and someone just overheard it? Because that's pretty much what happened.

@vinnythewebsurfer 7 жыл бұрын

Ana would look great in a "SPORTS" T-shirt that Phil Defranco sells.

@heatseeker9573 7 жыл бұрын

So... what's the problem? How "public" was that document?

@heatseeker9573 7 жыл бұрын

Cenk's defence is the only thing keeping this video floating.

@littlemissdimples88 7 жыл бұрын

Ana sometimes thinks that the person who speaks loudest is the most right.

@dcb976 7 жыл бұрын

Cenk fire Anna she's has been so far from anything resembling professional for most of the year.

@dcb976 7 жыл бұрын

Like screaming at everyone on the panel who isn't on her side

@celestialann 7 жыл бұрын

So chenk thinks this is the standard we should hold our men to? how about we teach our young men and women to build up one another rather than talking about each other as nothing more than meat for pleasure? Talking about whether someone is hot or not is nowhere near saying what sexual position they're worthy of chenk.

@mandeepthebest 7 жыл бұрын

What is wrong with that?

@funnypeacefulgrateful9040 7 жыл бұрын

private vs public. Can you hear straight feminazi?

@N1B3A 7 жыл бұрын

What's so bad about a meat for pleasure? That's arguably the most important thing humans have to do (procreate). Why is it not objectification when we say someone is smart? Aren't we reducing that person to nothing more than someone who could do our homework? Why sexual objectification worse than any other type of objectification?

@SuperHIMboy 7 жыл бұрын

#TeamCenk

@johnh2052 7 жыл бұрын

Cenk, you are totally wrong. That's like arguing that if a person in a company sexually harrasses someone in a different department, that would be fine. It wouldn't. If the guys had been simply talking amongst themselves, it would have just been really stupid. As soon as they document it and put it online, it's sexual harrassment. They should definitely be punished.

@TheCommunistGamerTV 7 жыл бұрын

Ok, Cenk, here's an important distinction that no one really talked about: it was in a Google Doc. The fact that they put it into a Google Doc means that they intended it to be something more permanent. It makes it seem more fetishistic and less "locker room talk." Now I'm not saying that the guys read the Doc for the purposes of titillation, how can we possibly know? But like you said about Bill Cosby during the Rolling Stone, it weighs on your mind. It makes it look worse because it's something that was clearly intended to be engaged with again and again, for titillation, or just discussion and updates. I don't know that they deserved to receive the punishment they got; I honestly haven't considered how this rates on the punishment scale, but I think the distinction is important.

@camelCaseFTW 7 жыл бұрын

lmfao Ana is losing her shit. This is so funny.

@thisishowirelax148 7 жыл бұрын

Cenk is 100% right on this one.

@LifeOfRaska 7 жыл бұрын

people are just really uncreative about what to be offended about. Think of something more reasonable to offend you.

@PaulGuss 7 жыл бұрын

For once, Cenk talked some sense here. This i agree with him

@richardlionheart3935 7 жыл бұрын

Sorry Ana but you are 100% wrong here. Cenk is right on the money.

@Xylospring 7 жыл бұрын

What would happen if girls talked about the guys like that?

@AdmiralBlackstar 7 жыл бұрын

We'll cross that bridge when...well...if...we come to it.

@awsumpossum1 7 жыл бұрын

can you actually present a similar case

@NicoBecerra 7 жыл бұрын

Elliotxomega99 they do

@thatindiandude4602 7 жыл бұрын

Elliotxomega99 spoiler alert, they do.

@Jezz2882 7 жыл бұрын

We do.

@maroonhorizon1693 7 жыл бұрын

The fact that the document was public is the main issue. They were told once to get rid of it and they did it again. Shameful

@crait 7 жыл бұрын

I agree with Cenk on this. A Google Doc is public is a sense that people can't just find it. It's likely that it was used as part of a private conversation. You may not like the conversation...

@cgreen4547 7 жыл бұрын

Ummm freedom of speech? No punish people. Women's feeling were hurt. If it was the other way around it would never be an issue. More importantly guys wouldn't give a shit! I can't believe I'm agreeing with Cenk. But I give praise when it's due. Cheers Cenk! I can't count the amount of times I've seen male actors being interviewed by a woman. And the woman makes the man take off his shirt and then start touching his abs and chest. If a man even tried that, the police would be called. Such a double standard. But guys don't give a shit. Anna is so triggered im laughing my ass off. They are college kids. And a heads up, this is how guys talk... get over it

@NoNameTheFirst 7 жыл бұрын

Proud of Cenk for standing his ground. You are punishing people for what they're saying to each other in essentially a private space. Get out of here.

@_GOD_HAND_ 7 жыл бұрын

But I thought this sort of sexually explicit locker room talk never occurred in collegiate/professional sports? I just pray we don't learn that marines and sailors use dirty language like this in the military as well.