This and That: 2022 NHK Trophy, Kamila Valieva, Alexandra Trusova, Shoma Uno, Kaori Sakamoto

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This week, Kamila Valieva's case has been referred to the Court of Arbitration for Sport and we discuss why the trace amount of trimetazidine found in her system could be a damning piece of information in the case. Alexandra Trusova is on the outs with Channel 1 and we discuss the potential implications. Meanwhile, many of the top skaters in the world headlined the 2022 NHK Trophy and Yelim Kim defeated Kaori Sakamoto, Shoma Uno performed a stunning free skate, Laurence Fournier Beaudry and Nikolaj Sørensen defeated Madison Chock and Evan Bates, and Riku Miura and Ryuichi Kihara won gold by a country mile. Plus, Matteo Guarise made his debut with his new partner and Kevin Aymoz made his first competitive appearance after suffering an ankle injury. We break it all down and more on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
This and That: 2022 NHK Trophy, Kamila Valieva, Alexandra Trusova, Shoma Uno, Kaori Sakamoto
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@lucy-tf7pz Жыл бұрын

TIMESTAMPS (in progress) 0:50 Nathan Chen's book 1:39 Dr. Shvetsky; Rudkovskaya (≠ Rukovodskaya!) 6:50 Eteri not being pro-war, dismissing Shvetsky 8:05 heart abnormalities and doping 10:11 trimetazidine; what does a trace amount mean? 12:30 weight-to-strength ratio in relation to doping; eating habits 15:38 Trusova scandal 19:20 oligarch money in Russian skating 20:45 Russian response to Tutberidze post-Olympics 21:48 back to Channel One and the politics of commentary 25:51 war masking truth of doping 31:10 Trusova's programs 39:55 Cricket Club pics 41:06 Shoma Uno 43:15 Junhwan Cha 44:40 Kazuki Tomono 47:38 Sota Yamamoto 48:20 French Adam 49:36 Gabriele Frangipani, Matteo Rizzo, more misc. men's skaters 52:08 NHK: Kaori Sakamoto, Yelim Kim, women's field in general 57:50 Rika Watanabe 59:18 Amber Glenn; who to send to finals? 1:02:50 Audrey Shin 1:03:41 issue with open-ended systems + Oksana Baiul 1:05:36 Ice dance

@shomaunofan8486 Жыл бұрын

Oh didn’t realize u already started this 😅 thank you for doing it!

@letitiakearney2423 Жыл бұрын

Is Jonathan wearing black eyeliner as I’ve never noticed before. Love the cat sitting listening to Dave so intently. 😂

@jquibbler Жыл бұрын

Chock and Bates are getting a message from the judges. The RD isn't Latin Ballroom. That music is not Latin. And those standard ballroom moves on Evan is so awkward looking. The RD is awful. The freedance was better. Isn't is crazy the team that beat them both men are 33, I think and both women are 30. So.. they've been skating against each other I assume for a long time. Once the IceDance judges start putting you behind... they don't typically ever get you back up.

@Dariush090909 Жыл бұрын

* The wife of Yevgeniy Plushenko is Yana Rudkovskaya (Яна Рудковская), she's not "Rukovodskaya", ha-ha-ha...

@lucy-tf7pz Жыл бұрын

@@Dariush090909 that would have been easy to google 😅 this is what happens when I try to speed-read in cyrillic!

@dinifroggy Жыл бұрын

I agree with every word you said about Shoma. I always admires His ability to undeestand music, and I am so glad it is just so evident now... Wouldn't it have been nice to enjoy something more like Padam Padam as a short, even when it had to suffer changes? As for Sota... I don't know... I find him particularly elegant, and I have been waiting for him to grow into a star. You nailed it- what Shoma is doing is giving everyone an astonishing and undeniable master class.

@zackwilson8701 Жыл бұрын

Shoma hands down has the best free skate out of any man this year. He's just on another level, to the point where even a quad axel can't (or at least, shouldn't) compare to what he's laying down. That said, Jun should have been the silver medalist at NHK. If he had been given just 3 additional points for PCS, then he would have beaten Sota, who isn't nearly as memorable or as emotive on the ice. I was also bummed for Adam here... I hope he makes the GPF. I still think his skating looks a bit frantic, but other than Shoma and Jun, his skating is my favorite of the men this year.

@janvdb9258 Жыл бұрын

Ilia is so boring aside from the insane quads

@zackwilson8701 Жыл бұрын

@@janvdb9258 Yeah it's just tough watching teenage boys skate imo. Even when they can consistently land quads, most struggle with interpretation, performance, and packaging. I had the same issue with Yuma, too. And yet, I sort of miss him this Grand Prix? Maybe Ilia will grow on us more over time, too.

@figureskatingmess Жыл бұрын

Shoma’s FS is a masterpiece! I was completely enthralled by his skating! And Jun should definitely have been in second place. Sota can’t compare with his artistry. So sad that this means that he won’t make it to GPF :’( I love Adam too, he has one of the most interesting programs this year! I hope he can make it to JGP.

@zackwilson8701 Жыл бұрын

@@figureskatingmess exactly! I think if they'd competed in any other Grand Prix, Jun would have been placed ahead. Also this is a hot take but... I agree with the Chinese judge giving Jun PCS in the low 9s. Like, why is that controversial? 😆

@MsAMusicLover Жыл бұрын

Shoma is almost (but not yet) helping me get over the loss of Yuzu. He and Kaori did not take a break after the Olympics, but have contined to push their technique forward. I appreciate that Jun's music and choreography are fresher/edgier and might attract the younger generation to skating. Jun has great material to work with, and his Ina Bauer makes me gasp every time. I'd love to see Jun and Adam in the GPF. I mean, you have to respect the Japanese men, but if the GPF is just a copy of Japan Nationals, it is less interesting.

@Citruscider34 Жыл бұрын

Shomam’s FS is indeed a masterpiece!!!! It’s the best in recent figure skating history! Yet he got less than 90 on components! Ridiculous!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

💯

@birgitangermair4483 Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Kolyada`s "White crow" was a masterpiece, too🙂

@MrsLeila92 Жыл бұрын

I´m literally stunned by Shoma´s FS this season! It is utterly beautiful and he is superior to all Men's skaters I've seen in a while.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

💯❤️

@freedomlife3623 Жыл бұрын

Just like the commentator at Gala said about Shoma’s performance, best skating skill he had ever seen.

@janvdb9258 Жыл бұрын

I remember Shoma saying he wanted to be more like Patrick and you guys saying even back then in 2016 that he was better.

@vistaprime Жыл бұрын

@@janvdb9258 Patrick was a wonderful skater but a head case. he couldn't get his head in the game.

@freedomlife3623 Жыл бұрын

@@vistaprime Patrick has all the skills, sadly lack of self confidence. Hope he can use those experience to help his students.

@hellsbellsmichelle Жыл бұрын

I think Kaori left a lot of points on the ice in the FP. That dress and hair are already iconic. She missed levels on the StSq, and the jumps aren't quite as amazing as we know they can be. I think given the skills and presentation she's demonstrating, she should be in the 9s for PCS. By the time Worlds comes up, I'm sure she'll be in the 9s. I'd love to see a Korean GP.

@grisgris6908 Жыл бұрын

Kaori's hairography is EVERYTHING

@KatieGregoire Жыл бұрын

Even as a long time Chock/Bates fan, I 100% agreed with the judges at this event. The CanaDanes material is so much better this year, Laurence is giving it the absolute most. I would give her +5s simply for her arms and abs 😂💃🏼👏🏻

@deirdrekiely6187 Жыл бұрын

Too bad Hubbel & Donahue retired. They would have done well this year, maybe could have gotten a world title.

@L.Spencer Жыл бұрын

I feel like CB are fake emoting, which they have to when performing, but maybe a bit more connection and realness for them.

@JoshuaFazeli Жыл бұрын

I enjoy a good Chock + Bates Fall 2019 program, and want them to win the world title so we can all move on from them and focus on 2026, but they are making it very difficult for me to push back against these other teams. Looks like at this point in the season 5th at Worlds is a success for them. Whoever is consulting with them on PR and image branding needs to be fired. They need to focus on getting programs in order and adding more Instagram stories that don’t include their dogs. I would also appreciate them skating clean, particularly Evan. Madison was born for this world title and I have been waiting since she and Greg Z split to get it. 😭😭😭

@JoshuaFazeli Жыл бұрын

@@deirdrekiely6187 Madison would have turned into Godzilla if she had to skate one more season with Zach.

@angelaharris6143 Жыл бұрын

The CanaDanes are leaning into how hot they are. Chock/Bates seem to have forgotten that Madison being so hot was distracting the judges from looking at Evan’s feet. You gotta go for those Pretty Points when you can in ice dance

@hellsbellsmichelle Жыл бұрын

The extension when Shoma does something as simple as crossovers, particularly forward, even the ice-dancers could take lessons from him. Shoma's best SP was the one he did in his first season with Lambiel - Great Spirit I think it was called. It was EVERYTHING!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Great program!

@freedomlife3623 Жыл бұрын

Agree with you for the skating skill of Shoma, my favorite of Shoma’s short program is when his first year of senior, the James Bond tis track.

@janvdb9258 Жыл бұрын

Best short. So hard to skate to edm but he was insane.

@birgitangermair4483 Жыл бұрын

@@janvdb9258 I think Shoma should do the great spirit programm again !!! - This was one of my all-time-fav`s and it really suited him well ....

@colleenshaughnessy7081 Жыл бұрын

I loved Great Spirit but last year's was magnificent. And Stairway to Heaven was also amazing.

@tomkroh2712 Жыл бұрын

This is a fabulous addition to the last Patreon and As The Blade Turns videos! With so much going on, you always keep us in the loop. Thanks Dave!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

@gogroregogoror Жыл бұрын

Love Kaori but Kim's SP is my favorite women's program of the season so far.

@ddjr6673 Жыл бұрын

Agree - wish Ted hadn't talked through it and had remained silent.

@carolinaperez8182 Жыл бұрын

Alexandra has been the victim of an abusive coach and a system where athletes are disposable, what happened at the Olympic Games was an emotional reaction of frustration, everyone criticizes her, but they prepared her for the quadruples, now I see her happy, she smiles And if she earns money, it is because she is not a machine, one day the horrors that these girls have experienced will be known

@len10100 Жыл бұрын

OMG Dave!!! “I’m not as young as I used to be” 💀💀 I love you!! 😂😂❤️

@ariannabinaghi5222 Жыл бұрын

Kaori hasn't been training at her fullest apparently, because she's going to uni as she wants to graduate this year

@johnl405 Жыл бұрын

She's in college?!

@quintupleaxel Жыл бұрын

@@johnl405 she's competing in the Winter University Games (universiade) in 2023.

@cecile5090 Жыл бұрын

Loved that your kitty made an appearance Dave😻

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

@kdcm6690 Жыл бұрын

Kaori Sakamoto's packaging is good, the hair and dresses suit her so much better now, but she still does not have that beauty of figure skating, she could have if she paid more attention to her arm and hand movements, she does it in certain poses but the rest of the time she's just flinging her arms around. She relies on speed but it isn't enough to zoom around the rink when your jumps go off.

@pablogutierrez4968 Жыл бұрын

“Rinka, Kaori, Yelim, Leona and maybe even Isabeau are all contenders…..winning events” Everyone always forgets poor Mai, who won the GP last week 🥹

@erikhai1 Жыл бұрын

When she wins next week they won't be able to ignore her.

@Jeremy-wp4yh Жыл бұрын

Kaori taking silver definately added some drama and excitement. Unfortunately there aren't many competitive skaters remaining.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

💯

@JoshuaFazeli Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson this Japanese Korean rivalry was called at 2022 worlds video I believe. And I know you and I are here for it.

@hellsbellsmichelle Жыл бұрын

C&B destroyed the Bowie program musically. Think of any Bowie song - Let's Dance, Fame, Young Americans, Heroes - anything ... But they are ICONIC themes, even in the initial hook for the intro - but This Let's Dance - what makes Bowie, Bowie, has essentially been surgically removed from the music edit. I don't like to diss anyone's music, but this edit is shockingly bad, because it's Removed Bowie from Bowie. And that's probably at the skater's request, and the producer has just followed the brief. Such a shame, that could be so much better.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Agreed!!

@erikhai1 Жыл бұрын

This week was the week of pops. Kaori, Sasha, plenty of others. The Women's FS at NHK was something of a train wreck. After seeing it twice now, Rion's FS is my favourite senior women's FS program this season (so far). If Rion can skate this program completely clean, I think she takes home the gold. Since it doesn't seem likely she will make the final, I have to hope for it at 4CC or Worlds.

@patrickneedham3363 Жыл бұрын

Rion's FS dress and hair are both amazing!

@PeiwenTanbassoon821 Жыл бұрын

I’m also getting more impressed by Rion each time I watched her. The fs music is so epic that it’s really easy to look like the skater isn’t performing enough but she skates so big that the program moves me even with mistakes.

@annellle Жыл бұрын

@@PeiwenTanbassoon821 absolutely, she skates up to the incredibly big music and it is exquisite. many skaters pale against big music so this was very refreshing!

@jonathanokeefe9783 Жыл бұрын

Could you cover Alison and Saulius in future episodes? I love what they're doing in the Faithless programme - contrary to what Ted said, I think there's a real sense of joy and fun in it - or maybe this is a throwback to me 90s clubbing days *laughs* I think they're sneaking up on a bronze at the Europeans.

@grisgris6908 Жыл бұрын

Trusova looks happy so that's all I care about

@anthonydolio8118 Жыл бұрын

Yelim Kim was spectacular at the NHK. I love her and her programs. Kaori is always great, but she was a little sloppy here.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

She is great, but I don’t see the performance quality.

@hoang-yennguyen5637 Жыл бұрын

Please tell me how to watch :(. I’ve been trying to find her program since forever

@saragoldson6134 Жыл бұрын

Dave - you need to write the next Netflix documentary!!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

🙏

@liljimbob11 Жыл бұрын

Rions long program was my favorite of the entire event. It was such an exciting music selection and she skated up to it. Amber Glenn is so like Nicole Bobek. When she’s nervous her jumps are tiny and she falls. When she’s on her jumps are massive.

@LaChicaMadrilena Жыл бұрын

Kevin was truly spectacular in Warsaw, I'm so happy I got to see it live!

@GS-rw5li Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the podcast. Sport is always dirty because of the money involved. Lance Armstrong story is a great example. The Russia state-sponsored doping is also old news. Thank you though for pointing out the connection between oligarchs’ sponsorship and money laundering. As simple and logical this connection is, it never occurred to me. As a side note: Trankov’s saying “Трусова-все” could be translated as “ the Trusova’s thing is over” . Thank you .

@dkeinow Жыл бұрын

Watching this again after the live premiere!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

@amethyst5512 Жыл бұрын

You had the same thoughts as I did regarding the Chock Bates situation. They should withdraw from the final & get a new free dance. If they think they’re going to podium at the final at this point, they aren’t living in reality. They’re fighting for 5th place & mistakes could put them 6th. And you’re correct about Hawayek & Baker. They are becoming more & more likely to go ahead of Chock & Bates.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

💯

@quintupleaxel Жыл бұрын

Withdraw from the final? Are you joking?

@JaymeeBrooke Жыл бұрын

Dave, we DEFINITELY are supposed to point our toes on our crossovers on roller skates 😆

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

I am wondering if the motion of the cross under with a wheel is different than with a skate where you need to have the extra nuance with the toe pick. It is a slightly difference nuance and if you notice, roller skaters who figure skate tend to be extra strong. It is possible they don’t take the time to work on skating skills because they are already strong enough to do everything from doing it on wheels, but their skating skills are typically not the most brilliant.

@vistaprime Жыл бұрын

I think when your free skate is tom and Jerry (Tomono) it's going to be frenetic. All Tom did was chase Jerry around in that cartoon and the cartoon was always frenetic. 🤣Anyway, it's a wonderful program.

@colleenshaughnessy7081 Жыл бұрын

Agreed - Kevin and Rika are thr only ones who should be permitted to do a cartwheel.

@susanfoss3599 Жыл бұрын

I watch you all the time and never have commented before but I have to say this: as much as I love all that Trusova stands for and her work ethic and desire to push boundaries, and I know she’s recovering still from injury but that new free program, every single part of it, reminds me of a skater who doesn’t make the cut for the free at Worlds. Nowhere close, in any aspect, to what’d I’d expect from an Olympic silver medallist.

@user-xw9wq6or2y Жыл бұрын

You should not expect anything from anybody

@clara_r91 Жыл бұрын

yes, but the difference is that any other skater trains really hard for the whole year and doesn't make even to free, Trusova had couple of weeks plus injury, and probable she didn't work that much in summer

@cristinamock Жыл бұрын

That "Aha" by Dave on 39:20 made me lose my shit🤣🤣🤣

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

@TheKatykeenan Жыл бұрын

...very good and true points re: doping and the exacting calculations with food, water, height/weight ratio etc ....... the rate and ability to eliminate drugs is something that I know to be calculable from my own old school getting pot out of my system for testing (ages ago ahem) and there was underground info on how to do this amongst my half-assed friends. So super obviously the Russians have this down to an very fine science. I think the Russians do not want investigation into the doping culture...period. Opening up re: Valieva puts spotlight on ALL that is going on....

@NG-ue4th Жыл бұрын

I actually really enjoyed the event. It seemed like a real competition in all disciplines (except for pairs maybe). Love all the programs for the top 3 ladies. Nice to see yelim win a gp finally after being unappreciated by judges for so long as well as seeing kaori ready to fight for the season. In the dance, I really enjoyed fbs's tarantino inspired free. It was so cinematic and exciting to watch. In the men's, I'd just like to express the sheer agony/ecstasy rollercoster that is being a fan of the holy trinity of the component kings shoma/kazuki/Jun. Seriously, I feel like a need to start an emotional support group or a prayer circle for all the heart attacks they cause. But my moment if the week was Ted calling marie france a 'princess and an angel'. That man has truly mastered workplace politics bs in a way I can only dream of.

@My-hat Жыл бұрын

Haha I was hoping someone would say that. Princess and Angel. WHAT the actual F🤪

@helenaprout1061 Жыл бұрын

Random, but I love the cat appearance!!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Peaches!

@helenaprout1061 Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson OMG! Tell Peaches I say hi if you have a moment!

@felicialovesnkotb Жыл бұрын

Same!

@mjdecoteau8631 Жыл бұрын

Peaches was pausing to ponder Dave’s proposed scenario re shrimp portions affecting doping test results 😹

@erikhai1 Жыл бұрын

My moment of the week was Kuzuki Tomono's Exhibition skate at the Gala.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

@L.Spencer Жыл бұрын

I miss the other commentator. Ted kept saying the twizzles were clean and in sync, even after the slow mo replay, and they weren't.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@JEMTenor Жыл бұрын

I have total faith in Kaori! If you look back she’s always(apart from last year with the olympics tbh) messy in the fall because she takes on tricky and innovative new choreography but it becomes sensational by the time worlds comes around. Also wouldn’t count out Mai when you’re talking about podium contenders - she’s already shown she can beat Kaori with mistakes and clean Isabeau! Will be so interesting to see how Mai vs Loena turns out

@robamell4216 Жыл бұрын

does anyone know how much ot costs to attend the ice academy in montreal?

@cecile5090 Жыл бұрын

Dave, could you possibly have Oksana Baiul as a guest on the show? I haven't seen her in years and would love see her interviewed.🙏

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

I would love to.

@PeiwenTanbassoon821 Жыл бұрын

I’m really disappointed in the ISU KZfaq channel not uploading the videos of the full events and the bottom six skaters/teams. If I didn’t stay up and watched the free dance live I wouldn’t have known Wang/Liu skated to such a cool Batman program with amazing lifts. Wang/Liu and Reed/Ambrulevičius have my fav free dances this season!

@ColonelGreen Жыл бұрын

The full videos are actually still up, if you search for them, they're just not listed on the KZfaq account's main page for whatever reason.

@PeiwenTanbassoon821 Жыл бұрын

@@ColonelGreen thanks for telling me. 🙏 It sure is still pretty annoying that they don’t make the videos as accessible but are we surprised tho 🙄

@valeriepelnar4786 Жыл бұрын

@@ColonelGreen I cannot find the full videos, can you help? :(

@ColonelGreen Жыл бұрын

@@valeriepelnar4786 Assuming you're in a region where they aren't geoblocked, just search "Sapporo 2022" for the NHK ones; for the others, same format with the location.

@kmt8528 Жыл бұрын

53:57 Same! Me going back to 2017, thinking about how Medvedeva could still win by a big margin with 2 errors in the program.

@olgasmirnova4588 Жыл бұрын

Как и другие выигрывали. Потому что ошибки есть у всех! Их либо всем ставят, либо никому! Другие валяются и выигрывают, но ты ведь не ноешь, русофоб?! 2017 год с Женей был потрясающим!!!

@jannaalma5873 Жыл бұрын

Come on , Gorshkov was 76yo, it's absolutely normal, that he might have had a heart attack. Especially after 3 years of covid pandemic.

@shomaunofan8486 Жыл бұрын

Timestamps Dr Shevesky / Valieva / Trusova - will fill this later NHK Trophy ** Men** 39:27 - 39:37 Chinese Judge put Junhwan 20pts ahead of Shoma - 41:08 Shoma Uno - 43:22 Junhwan Cha - 44:45 Kuzuki Tomono -- 46:02 compare to Sota - 47:40 Sota Yamamoto - 48:20 Adam Siao Him Fa - 49:39 Gabrielle Frangipani - 49:52 Matteo Rizzo -- 50:35 vs Daniel Grassl at Warsaw Cup who got beat by Kevin Aymoz with no Quads ** Women** - 52:10 Kaori vs Yelim -- 52:18 yelim -- 52:42 Kaori - 57:47 Rinka Watanabe - 59:21 Amber Glenn -- 1:01:12 Golden Spin for US Women - 1:02:45 Audrey Shin **Ice Dance** 1:05:40 - 1:05:44 Chock/Bates - 1:08:27 Daisuke/Kana - 1:08:41 Tim Koleto - 1:09:10 back to Daisuke - 1:10:11 Cana/Danes (Fournier Beaudry/Sørensen) - 1:11:08 back to Chock/Bates -- 1:13:06 vs Hawkeye/Baker -- 1:13:32 Dave opinion on GPF **Pairs** - 1:15:45 Japanese Pairs - 1:17:04 Warsaw cup - ??? With new partner finish 4th - 1:18:18 Emily/Spencer ** back to ice dance** - 1:19:10 Green/Parson - 1:19:52 Jeffrey Chen 1:20:24 Moment of the week

@KL-pv7cl Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!!

@figureskatingfinnstep4308 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the timestamps! For your "1:17:04 Warsaw cup - ??? With new partner finish 4th" timestamp, the skater mentioned is Matteo Guarise from Italy (used to skate with Nicole Della Monica, now partnered with Lucrezia Beccari)

@bobuddy3513 Жыл бұрын

If Shoma were to switch his short program, I doubt that he would skate the Michael Jackson program. He would likely switch to "Padam Padam", his new EX choreographed by former coach, Mihoko Higuchi.

@lollypop2414 Жыл бұрын

That would definitely be the one he would switch to, because it was created to be either a SP or an EX. Shoma has said he may use it as a SP in the future, but I don't see him using it this season because his Gravity SP was choreographed by Stephane and I think he wouldn't want to hurt Stephane's feelings by switching to a program choreographed by his former coach. Also, Shoma has said he likes the challenge of the Gravity SP because it's different from any other program he's competed before. The only way I think he'd switch is if the judges really seem to not like the program and since he hasn't skated it clean yet this season it's hard to know how much the judges are liking/disliking it right now.

@bobuddy3513 Жыл бұрын

I agree. I don't see him switching this season. I was just mentioning it because I know it has been discussed here before. I think he likes the challenge of Gravity.

@fotomagrol Жыл бұрын

We all agree on this, his exhibition program of this season should be the short program for the gran prix final, japan nats and world. With the FP supreme coreo, he can win all this titles no problem.

@bobuddy3513 Жыл бұрын

I know many fans who LOVE Gravity and think it's a great vehicle.

@DancingontheEdgeNJ Жыл бұрын

I always watch your program and for the first time I going to make a comment. Trusova is a great athlete. You have to give her time, those poor girls are been through a lot. Who knows what they give them to keep them small and skinny till they are 17, and after that they grow up in 2 months. She deserve the chance. She still recovering from an injury. you always comments on her as she is nothing and she already looks different from the first competition.

@SunflowerCat333 Жыл бұрын

I love Trusova! She is one of the all-time greats of the sport. I love how she speaks up for herself.

@andreagoldstein4070 Жыл бұрын

As with most things, following the money within the Russian Fed explains alot. I'm sorry Trusova is having a rough time. As for NHK, I really enjoyed watching Jun, Shoma and Kazuki. Kaori is still my favorite but Yelim Kim was gorgeous. I don't get the plexiglass covid theater between coach and skater. They see them almost everyday.

@gogroregogoror Жыл бұрын

Word. Everything you said!

@PeiwenTanbassoon821 Жыл бұрын

The coaches and the skaters also hug right before being separated by the glass 😂

@lollypop2414 Жыл бұрын

The fans in Japan also aren't allowed to talk or cheer because of covid, which is kind of ridiculous if you ask me since they're all breathing next to one another in the stands (mask or not), but different culture and everyone has to follow their rules at the competitions in their country.

@PeiwenTanbassoon821 Жыл бұрын

@@lollypop2414 not allowing cheering made the crowd feel so dead despite having so many audiences. I was missing all the amazing cheering from SA when Kaori skated… Also the crowd giggled at Kaori’s slow motion frustration expressions and somehow that’s allowed but now cheering 🤦‍♀️

@pg5470 Жыл бұрын

Shady Jonathan is my favorite Jonathan! :D

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

💯

@dkeinow Жыл бұрын

01:30 I actually pre ordered Nathan's Book 43:07 If Shoma skates clean, can he beat Ilia if Ilia does not land a clean 4A?

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

I am about to.

@TheFlowMind Жыл бұрын

Haven’t checked the scores but I don’t think Ilia will beat Shoma if he skates clean.

@spaceial Жыл бұрын

In Japan Open, Shoma did beat Ilia in just 0.38 difference. Ilia didn't land a clean 4A and some other quads. While Shoma was not as clean too. Shoma's PCS is in low 90s, but Ilia's PCS is still in mid 80s. So i think the possibility is still there.

@fergie6584 Жыл бұрын

Don’t understand the Mark Mitchell question. Is that about the Ukrainians born Canadian skater they worked with? Was there and issue?

@julesc3089 Жыл бұрын

I usually love Cho and Bates, but this time they aren’t as good as they normally are. How can someone tell them to do that and change the programs! Can you tell them or do you know someone who could tell them.

@heyhey3765 Жыл бұрын

Trusovas music is so so so bad. Love her but god that music is hard to listen to😳 I cringe before and during the long FLYYYYYY

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

100%

@aprilboddy Жыл бұрын

Hi from Alberta Canada 🇨🇦

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

@patsy1610 Жыл бұрын

Ciao, somebody can explain me that black tape on the jacket of Trusova??

@saraehtor7753 Жыл бұрын

Trusova removed the Channel One patch from her jacket and instead put that black tape because their contract ended and we don’t know if Sasha ended it or Channel One. Channel One did not announce Sasha as the Olympic silver medallist, they showed after only the mistakes she made in the program and talked about how she is not good. They did not show her coach face at all and when Samodelkina started skating we could hear from the commentators who thought their mics were shut down saying: Trusova is over for Channel One. Later they cut it out but many people heard it. No one knows exactly why it happened, but some assume Sasha and Channel One started having problems in March when she refused to perform at Jumping Tournament. Not sure if this is true I am telling you just what I read from telegram chats.

@patsy1610 Жыл бұрын

Ah ok infact i thought it was something not concern with channel 1. Alexandr Gorshkov died? This is Incredible! no1 told about this tragic event! Thank you to Sara for your comment..its very exhaustive👍 Thenks to Galina too👍

@skatefan9495 Жыл бұрын

12:32 My favorite part.

@isabellao18 Жыл бұрын

Should Chock and Bates pull out of the GPF and go back to the drawing board? 100%. But do we actually think they're going to? I mean, they did it for 2 seasons but doing a re-vamped snake charmer program would put them in a waaaaaay better place than this current program...

@jamiejoonks Жыл бұрын

I don’t think they can afford to do that right now, there are so many dance teams fighting for the podium spots at worlds and there are no clear winners right now (imo)

@marycoyne1889 Жыл бұрын

I might be in a minority here but I don’t hate C/B freelance. I think the change of rules this year for freedance are by and large odd and actually not great for the sport. I think C/B set their bar so high with innovative dances so when they do a romantic classic dance it seems snoozy. Sure it’s not the most memorable but yet the elegance and the speed and lines struck me at NHK. If clean they could have a Moment at nationals.

@Cooltiger28 Жыл бұрын

Happy Sunday. 😀Also Happy Thanksgiving 🦃

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Same to you!

@amethyst5512 Жыл бұрын

Jonathan speaks the truth. KZfaq premium plus vpn equals all the isu skating competitions when you want to watch them without competitions or giving $ to peacock. Also, you can watch This & That without ads 😊

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@stuckin2003 Жыл бұрын

"dressed like Dave Lease when he came out of the closet" 🤣dead.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

@Ladybug-ez6od Жыл бұрын

The scores that the Canadian judge gave to Chock and Bates in both the RD and FD was ridiculous. It was significantly lower than all of the other judges. She should be investigated for bias.

@youarestronger Жыл бұрын

The lowest gets tossed out...so doesnt really work well of they cheat too or hit someone too low

@Ladybug-ez6od Жыл бұрын

@@youarestronger Agreed, but it still shouldn’t be tolerated.

@davidillouz7216 Жыл бұрын

US judges do the same did you forget Sharon rogers or Shawn retsatt with virtue and noir.

@youarestronger Жыл бұрын

@@davidillouz7216 they are all corrupt including the Canadians...dance should be banned from the Olympics imho

@johnnyboy2627 Жыл бұрын

Please don’t walk out onto the ice after a performance and give your favorite skater flowers. Sasha looked shocked and fearful of the guy.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

💯

@jasonkanzler1073 Жыл бұрын

You two are so funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

@jannaalma5873 Жыл бұрын

Such a lovely ginger cat! Show her more pls

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Peaches!

@Iwatchstuff1000 Жыл бұрын

Think what Dr Shvetsky-instein could create with Eteri’s nose & Valieva’s free leg!

@zielona_hortensja3362 Жыл бұрын

I think the C/B FD miss not that much to be a good one, the music is a little dull but quite interesting and modern, so there should be a possibility to tweak it. For me the main problem is the approach and the costumes- it should me modern, as last years G/P FD. And it'd classic and romantic so it misses the point. The costums are beautiful as always but they are bleak. Really, changing the dress should already help a lot.

@juanantoniomoreno3409 Жыл бұрын

The cat is adorable!

@Violet-xk5ud Жыл бұрын

31:30 im crying this is hilarious

@pretzel_cat Жыл бұрын

Wait. Did I hear them say J. Weir was at an event in Russia? Was this recent?

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

He visited Team Tutberidze before the Olympics.

@pretzel_cat Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Okay, thanks for the info. Now I can relax the extreme side eye I was shooting his direction. Whew!

@Glitteringmoonstone2022 Жыл бұрын

36:05 I troll instagram postings to tell them what to do on the Oprah browser, I have a nice cut and paste for it

@julesc3089 Жыл бұрын

I love the British ice dance pair! I love them 😍!

@youarestronger Жыл бұрын

I was telling my sister last night that she needs to figure out how Nathan Chen's mom raised all her genius kids and today there is a book!!!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

💯❤️🙏

@yanamed6477 Жыл бұрын

Trace amount is probably just because she took it too close to the testing so that their was still a trace in body (wrong timing on valieva or her team). All drugs take a drug specific time to be metabolized. Also explains why non of the others got caught, either they didnt dope or they took it in time.... Metabolization can also depend on the body/genetics and other substance someone took, for example grapefruits can severly change the actual concentration of a drug in your body and the time it is in your body.

@corgeousgeorge Жыл бұрын

KZfaq premium is a gift and it's only 11 bucks.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

@corgeousgeorge Жыл бұрын

Welp,, as the saying goes, "If you're not cheating... you're not trying!"

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

🤣💯

@sarahpatton4256 Жыл бұрын

I didn't agree with the ladies final results at the NHK. I thought Kaoris program was way more interesting to watch in the free and didn't feel her mistakes were as grave as Yelims. But I still struggle to figure out how things are scored, so my evaluation is more based on watching the performance and what was more entertaining to me. It will be interesting to see how the women's field plays out over the season. It's refreshing to not have the Russian women because the Eteri bonus made things just not fun to watch anymore - without it, the field is actually interesting to watch and is not predictable. I was stoked to see a couple medals go to Canadian entries 🍁 wasn't expecting that! :) This is the first grand prix series I'm following. I usually only watch the Olympics figure skating and had no idea what was going on in the culture of the sport, controversies that I thought had been fixed with the end of the 6.0 system (as a casual viewer things felt fairer but wow they are still just as messy but in new ways), and with the politics of skating. So when Kamila Valieva news broke, I started looking into more of what was happening. Ended up finding your channel and with your videos I've learned so much more about the sport and what happens in between Olympic seasons :D this is the first non Olympic season I'm following the sport and it's really exciting! Thank you for your coverage Dave and Johnathan! :)

@johnl405 Жыл бұрын

Who was this Gabby Dave was referring to?

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Gabby Paluch

@Essylte Жыл бұрын

Great coverage as usual, guys! If only NBC could be as honest as you both, but when money and politics is more important, well, I suppose that is their actual, favorite sport of all. Russia's ban should be as long as this doping saga has been going on - which was probably before Sochi 2014. How many athletes have been cheated out of the podium? Why should Russian athletes come back when they are part of a system which allows state-sponsored doping and does not heed nor respect international rules? Of course, Johnny and Tara will never say it out loud since they're working for NBC, but you guys pretty much cover near everything, so thank you. Trusova out of favor in Russia? Huh, I haven't been keeping up on that, but I hope she doesn't go back to Tutberidze and cares for her own health. Even if she isn't my favorite, to discover that she (and Scherbakova) had been doped (hasn't been proven) would be a devastating blow to the rest of the figure skating world. My favorite moments: Yelim Kim winning her first Grand Prix gold (yay, she's going to the GPF!) and Adam Siao Him Fa's step sequences.

@L.Spencer Жыл бұрын

It's starting to look as if it'd be surprising they weren't, if we're even reaching back to Kulik and Grinkov. Sad.

@benbailey159bb Жыл бұрын

I'm 41 and a lifelong figure skating fan but I've really lost interest this season. I think it must be because of so many not competiting. Yuzuru Hanyu, Nathan Chen, the Chinese pairs, all the Russians.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

I hope you appreciate Shoma and Kaori. I love their programs!

@benbailey159bb Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Yeah I love those two and others. It just doesn't feel the same this season. I think it must be the pairs being such an empty field compared to normal.

@freedomlife3623 Жыл бұрын

prefer a clean sports now than when Russian and Chinese are in. I am from China and now how the governments are involved in sports just in case you are accuse me of being racists.

@Manli1208 Жыл бұрын

I miss some skaters (Sui and Han, Tarasova and Morozov, Papadakis and Cizeron, Yuma Kagiyama, Nathan Chen) but I think there is still much to enjoy. And I must admit that I am a big of Shoma Uno, so I’m happy he is performing well. I hope he will get even better during the season so that he can compete with Ilia Malinin and his quad axel!

@skatefan9495 Жыл бұрын

I don't miss the Russians.

@JoshuaFazeli Жыл бұрын

Kaori will be world champ again. Her programs are great and anyone who brings back Michelle’s 1999-00 look is FIRST - in my opinion.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

❤️🙏

@TheKatykeenan Жыл бұрын

(....i like dave in blue cashmere and jonathan in glitter and dog hair ...)

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

@hellsbellsmichelle Жыл бұрын

Ahoy there!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

@meganmorris5105 Жыл бұрын

Who hopes Shoma sticks around for 2026 and that he can stay healthy?

@JoshuaFazeli Жыл бұрын

Going to Espoo this week. I’ll report back about how inflated the piper paul scores will get. Looking forward to seeing the Finn’s fall in love with the Browns.

@Manli1208 Жыл бұрын

I agree, Gravity is a very boring song. I cannot understand why they chose it!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

I hope they change it!

@Manli1208 Жыл бұрын

I guess they won’t because Stéphane Lambiel chose it.

@kerryperryman3025 Жыл бұрын

When I think about the drugging of the skaters I really wonder years from now how it will mess with their health and quality of life. Hope that comes to an end. The Russian women could still put on a good showing.

@fotomagrol Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@tracyslover7302 Жыл бұрын

I had to stop watching at the mention of Sergei Grinkov to comment. I have ALWAYS suspected drugs as to explain the dominance of Soviet skating. And what about Ekaterina Gordeeva…was she taking, maybe unknowingly, a drug to postpone puberty?

@meganmorris5105 Жыл бұрын

She has said in her book that they fed her pills and were governing what she ate.

@jamiejoonks Жыл бұрын

If we’re being honest here….Every athlete that competed for the Soviet Union was being given the same things. They all went to Navagorsk before every major sporting event and a lot of stuff goes on there now, I’m sure the Soviet Union had a similar system.

@tracyslover7302 Жыл бұрын

@@meganmorris5105 I didn’t know that. It’s sad to think that the Soviets *might* have been the cause of Sergei’s death. What about Mishtukenok/Dmitriev? Grishuk/Platov?

@meganmorris5105 Жыл бұрын

@@tracyslover7302I wonder if his heart attack could have been prevented. I would have thought the tests could have detected the heart issue. Not sure. I think it’s genetic. His father died of a heart attack in 1990.

@jamiejoonks Жыл бұрын

@@tracyslover7302 all of them were part of the same system

@CP-ww1nj Жыл бұрын

Have you. met Andrea Joyce? She is wonderful.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Yes

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

I worked with her in 2008

@anthonydolio8118 Жыл бұрын

All of those quotes that you read in your recent "As The Blade Turns" show that, in addition to the Russian sports culture justifying doping, the Russian sports culture also equates the performance of one athlete with the reputation and value of the nation. While I would like to see American athletes do well, I don't believe their success or failure with the value or reputation of the U.S.A.

@freedomlife3623 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you, its so sad that any country’s identity and price is tied to their sports achievement.

@MsAMusicLover Жыл бұрын

Here to report that I switched to the Opera browser, set the VPN to Asia (took a day of fooling around to figure it out) and it is LIFE CHANGING! I required no tech support from Dave (gold stars) but now that I can actually access ALL the content, I do have questions about how Dave manages to watch all the FS content, track the nefarious Russians, hold down a day job, and train his own skating. Dave are you one of those people that only requires 4 hours a night of sleep?

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

I sleep 8 hours a day. I need to with everything I do. I am so glad that you are having success with Opera!!

@lumpyspacecadet Жыл бұрын

Morisi K.: "Sorry gays I can't now."

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

🙄

@lumpyspacecadet Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson He joined Ilia's live chat and made a glaring typo. He mean to say "guys."

@lumpyspacecadet Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson He joined Ilia's live chat and made a glaring typo. He mean to say "guys."

@bobuddy3513 Жыл бұрын

I'm reading and enjoying Nathan's book. He will be on the TODAY Show Mon. morning, probably promoting his book?

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@jjsmith4829 Жыл бұрын

watching the men skate now it is obvious that none of them can do quad + triple combos like Nathan can

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

It is true.

@phiengphathaimaniphone9953 Жыл бұрын

Yes, Nathan is the one and only "Quad King"

@blueclover9918 Жыл бұрын

Brining dead things back to life? Can you image what he puts those poor animals through in his laboratory in order to do that? You'd really have to be a monster.

@Yellowducky665 Жыл бұрын

PEACHES! Too cute. Of course Dave is a cat person! ❤

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@TheKatykeenan Жыл бұрын

hahahahahahahaha ......... i don't want to go back either dave .........!!

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

🤣❤️

@evanperilstein5308 Жыл бұрын

I love Shoma’s skating and his free skate is superb, but Daisuke Takahashi is still the most artistic men’s skater of all time. Shoma still lacks some of the details and intricacies in his choreography and expression that Daisuke displayed.

@TheSkatingLesson Жыл бұрын

I think Shoma’s skating skills put Daisuke to shame! Both are fantastic.

@lindaallison5338 Жыл бұрын

I find myself wanting Shoma to connect with the audience more, during programs and after, which Daisuke did very well. Shoma should be milking the standing ovations, take his time, soak it up, but he bolts off the ice. He’s obviously naturally very shy. But he’s still my favourite ❤️

@meganmorris5105 Жыл бұрын

I think he tries his best to connect with them, but he’s not very comfortable with large groups of people. He seems to be slightly more comfortable in interviews and in one on one interviews.

@lollypop2414 Жыл бұрын

I always say that if you put Shoma and Kazuki together you get Daisuke. Shoma shares the skating skills with him and Kazuki the performance skills. Shoma emotes with his body though. He doesn't need to perform to the audience because his body is the instrument and in combo with his skating skills is enough to take you on the journey with him. Kazuki, on the other hand, kind of hides his weaknesses as a skater behind his performance, but he always entertains the audience so well. Both are fascinating, but you do get both sides of the package with Dai. Love all three!

@davidillouz7216 Жыл бұрын

So the judges finally realized that Madison chock can’t skate, and that lolo is the best female ice dancer competing now. Chock and lilah fear need to go to edges Boot Camp with Scott noir asap.