Where are these people? All these extremely talented military ship designers just hanging out on that backwater planet that she lords over? This is part of the problem with how they wrote things: Tales of the Empire was not the right medium. They would need WAY more time to give satisfactory explanations for a lot of this stuff. Instead it feels like lazy fanfics.

@@bluemoondm8629it’s the people that were pissed when she came back and she said they didn’t get the tie contract

If that were the case, Pelleaon and Thrawn wouldn't have been interested in her, they would have gone to the people that actually designed it. It's also implied that she's the one who designed the massive hyperspace ring that brought the Chimera to Peridia, so I think she is intended to be a talented engineer.

@@xxjared0571 those were factory workers. They specifically talk about near slave labor in factories, but there are like 200 people in that tiny town

My head canon for Thrawn was always that he was ahead Tie Defender project, and by that i mean he had the vision to elaborate the requirements instead of designing the ship itself. Making a a refugee witch from a low tech tribal society design a ship (which already is a family of ships from Sienar) not only is nonsense but also takes away from Thrawns' storytelling.

Yeah. Even if she didn’t send a signal it would make sense that someone would look into the disappearance of an ambassador and her team

Exactly! The response was just as bad too, “Who is this? We got your distress beacon.” Did the ambassadors ship not have a recognizable signature? So many issues with that scene.

That wasn't a signal sent to the NR, it was a genealogy distress signal sent to anyone nearby. If you look at the subtitles, it's actually Bo Katan who receives it.

Considering that episode takes place after the empires loses at Endor, in the mandalorian we see the NR struggle to handle the power vacuum there is so much open space now they have to clear. There are still imperial remnants floating around, and the NR has to manage clearing imperials and policing the galaxy. Her distress signal could’ve easily gotten lost in the chaos as it got so bad the NR was “rehabilitating” and adding imperial officers to their ranks to help them manage the chaos that is taking over an entire galaxy. Plus so many planets were probably asking for help and many incidents of pirates probably skyrocketed with the absence of the empire. I could easily see how her distress beacon could get lost.

Who says she was saying the truth and wasn't just threatening him?

And Thrawn was that dumb for thinking she did all by herself? Srry, doesn't make sense. We should't be here damage controlling dumb lore breaking writting.

why was she even in a star fighter group program like that though? wouldnt it have been the actual team engineers who knew what they were making? What, is her story how she randomly walked into a room of nerds and bullied them into making her the lead of a project she didnt know how it works? shes from dathomir. this has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with being from a culture of backwoods inhabitants on a planet that didnt have much technology and relied on literal magic. You know what would have made sense? if she was actually used to help create a new type of armor or focusing crystals for something like a new new super weapon that could literally survive a super nova. Maybe using the force and sith alchemy and other concepts to create a limited amount of super armor for a few elite star fighters or a entire star destroyer. and that would be impressive, it would use her unique skill set, that pretty much no one else in the Empire had, why is it so difficult to use people's natural gifts and talents in a sensible way?

She can lead/ direct the project without being the detailed designer . Such a leader would still be of interest to Thrawn.

the steve jobs' of the world

@@gabbylikeskicks well that and giving presentations is an incredible waste of her gifts in the force. if palpatine saw that he would probably have someone whipped for wasting someone capable of investigating crime in the empire being wasted giving talks on a starfighter they don't probably even have a specialization in designing.

Glad to see someone who's in that style of expertise IRL commenting on this. You guys give a lot more context.

Exactly this. A program manager can understand the military value and uniqueness but would not be the original designer.

What I find weird is that Morgan doesn't seem affiliated with Sienar Fleet Systems at all yet she and her team apparently desgined the Defender completely independently from them and then went to the Empire so they could hand it off to Sienar to build. It's like if a group of civvies designed a F-36 based on Lockheed's previous designs and handed presented it to the DOD.

@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 excellent analogy and a good point.

I think an example of a program director in Star Wars would be Director Krennic and a designer would be Galen Erso.

I see okay then, that clears out everything.

Then why do they want “her mind”? Cause she’s a good presenter? Heck no

@@timmerhill9358 That's why Elsebeth's presentation was mothballed. And it's quite hard to believe Elsebeth designed the Defender. Although I won't question it if she did Design the TIE Phantom's Technology.

​@@timmerhill9358Do you know that Steve Jobs didn't actually design any system or piece of software for most of the products he is famous for? Still, it is undeniable that without him Apple wouldn't be where it is now and probably modern computers would look a lot different than what we are used to. The trope of a single genius scientist capable designing something like a new revolutionary aircraft from the ground up and completely on it's own is just that, a trope: Even the most skilled expert of aerodynamics in the world wouldn't be able to design the airplane electric systems, or its landing gear. And the genial chemist that developed a new incredible radar cloaking material wouldn't probably even know how to apply it to the plane without the help of some other materials scientists and engineers more specialized in other fields. There is nothing contradictory in the TIE Defender being an idea completely from Morgan herself and, at the same time, not being her the one that designed the flux-capacitor for the new turbo atomic quantum warp drive of the third engine.

​@@timmerhill9358 no, if im not mistaken she said something along the lines of "Your engines were inefficient, so i relocated them and i fixed a few other flaws the defender had"

Props to disnep. They made cringe new Republic even more cringy. In old canon with all their incompetence they atleast had heroes and powerfull post imperial industry to use from. In new canon they are just cringe without any reedeming factors.

In order for the Sequels to make sense (specifically allowing the First Order to build up a military and take over the whole galaxy in like fifteen movie minutes), the New Republic had to be astronomically naive.

Sounds similar like that Republican officer that said to Baylan Skoll nah you ain’t a Jedi, surrender!

Funny enough, in the pretty great Disney books. The New Republic is actually very well written

That's the whole career of Dave Filoni, why was he praised as the best thing since sliced bread?

​@@Hello-bi1pmBecause Clone Wars and Rebels. But that was long ago. Things have changed after many years of disney being in charge

@@Makocat these also are full of holes, safe play and inconsistency

@@Hello-bi1pm because he was better than Disney and Kathleen Kennedy, which is an extremely low bar

Yeah it didnt bring anything

Is not a retcon

Yeah it is dumb.

Stealing the TIE Defender from Zaarin, giving it to Thrawn in DisCan only to steal it again for a nightsister industrialist lol

Thrawn didn't invent the TIE Defender. Zaarin did.

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Not in Canon.

Star Wars Lore was changed multiple times under Lucas' management. Largely because he allowed people to write what they wanted... and then did the movies he wanted to make, undoing those stories as _his_ contributions became canon... and rarely retconning his own work. Legends consistency was also a mess (again, permitting people to write what they want results in the Sun Crusher), when Disney bought Lucasfilm and Lucas Arts. Yet, the fans were able to "pick and choose" what they considered canon (so they ditched the stuff which made no sense, and kept the things they liked). The issue with Disney Canon is... there wasn't _any_ consistency starting with Episode VII and that left Lucasfilm's story team trying to fix the problems the other "division" allowed to be created. Then their solutions needed to be fixed as another division creates new conflicts, and so a never ending series of retcons. *Shrugs* TL;DR Lucasfilm was doing a lot of retcons under Lucas and the fan base remained. Thus the issue isn't changing the foundations... it's just the foundation never existed to begin with under Disney.

​@aralornwolf3140 No. Lucas didn't let people write whatever they wanted. Star Wars lore under Lucas was regulated and scrutinized, and the multi-media project doubled as a campaign to clean up errors, despite TCW being Filoni's unregulated fanfiction.

Bro George Lucas Star wars Had Like 30 years of Lore and Material, Disney has fuked Up their own Canon since day one

@@aralornwolf3140 thats not the problem. the problem is their wasnt a central vision that was appealing to fans. it was chaos, a room where everyone kept throwing different plates of spaghetti at all the walls and the ceiling. It was a mess. and some people were messing with other peoples spaghetti to boot (metaphors are fun)>> anyways. the suncrusher had interesting ideas, my only complaint is it was too small. it should have been a lot larger.

@@bluehero-96 Oh my God people still think Filoni was solely responsible for TCW and it wasn't mostly Lucas' doing? George Lucas didn't care to know jack about the EU, it was mostly the work of Pablo Hidalgo and Leland Chee that kept the EU consistent, not George. Basically the way things worked then was George basically did whatever he wanted with lore/canon and he set general guidelines for the EU. Pablo and Leland were the ones who tried to keep the EU from turning into a mess with the canon tier system. TCW was George's brainchild and he hired Filoni to help direct the series - everything in TCW was approved by George, with some controversial decisions coming straight from him. The tier system was generally movies>TCW>EU, because George was heavily involved with TCW. Pablo and Leland would come in after George and Filoni to try to keep things consistent with the EU, and all of that was thrown out the window when George sold Star Wars to Disney, and they made the asinine decision to try to keep all the movies and shows and novels and comics and games as one continuity instead of using a tier system like before.

i loved Rebel Assault 2 when i was younger

that would be ... actually an interesting implication that she was involved in creating the cloaking device somehow. and it goes back to thrawn actually using cloaking devices with Joruus Cboath. Maybe cloaking devices require a force user to make them, similar to creating a lightsaber. that would be moderately interesting.

Filloni does not know who eli vanto is

@@jobt1999 Yeah, well, Dave can crack open a book that wasn’t written in the 1990s then …

I kind of want a movie with both actors now running a super corporation designing starships together loool

Mate, I am sorry, but you are pointing the fingers in the wrong direction. The writers are not to blame and I really wish you would do some research before you start boasting BS like this.

@@christopherpoet458 Really? So if the writers didn't write the script, then who did? Must've been magic. Unless you're suggesting that the producers are solely responsible for the quality of written material and the writers are there to just translate their 'brilliance' into scripts. Look fella, I get that producers and studio people ultimately have a lot of say and are the ones to say 'yay' or 'nay', but they are not responsible for the nitty-gritty plot -holes- points and extraneous detail that I'm describing. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the writing staff and their 'creation-by-committee' approach to screenwriting.

​@@SJReid82 Right, first thing first, if you are going to be an insufferable prick because you don't like being called out for "blaming" a single party for the mistakes of one thing or another, I will equally treat this as an invitation to be a complete and utter piece of shit towards you. So if you want this to turn into a pissing match of insults and bashing, you can continue to be an absolute prick. Otherwise, clean that bloody attitude up and act like a damn adult. Second, I am not jabbing at you for the lack of knowledge and if you took it as an insult, I apologize that is not the intent. On the flip side, you are behaving no different than I did to a group of people you have never met (and more specifically one man) and the motive of my comment is as someone who has both worked as a screenwriter and second, knows a lot more about what happens under the hood regarding the script. I share a profession with these people and I am not going to sit here and watch someone shit talk a profession on the assumptions that are made with no credibility. So yes, I am going to defend them. And in this case, the man you are taking jabs at is Charles Murray - who notably wrote the entire arch of Ashoka being framed and leaving the Jedi order. Episodes of the series that are highly regarded as being some of the BEST work done in the Clone Wars. He also wrote two episodes of Rebels ("Path of the Jedi" and "Rebel Resolve"). Which also are well known to be fairly good episodes of the series. And to further point out the success this man has made as a writer, he is the writer behind "The Devil You Know". To which I am going to highlight that the only criticism that show gets is on its technical production, not the writing. So in terms of the specific show we are currently talking about and the writer who wrote the scripts, there is no lack of talent by a stretch. I am willing to bet he as been writing longer than you have been breathing and you got the absolute nerve to shit post a man who has a rather successful track record as a writer and act like you know better than him? It is okay to not like Tales of the Empire or how they were written. It is fine if you do not personally find the show appealing. It is not okay to turn around and be an absolute cunt to someone you have never met and shit talk them because you do not like that material. Material that on its own is not a strong basis of judgement to begin with considering the Short Film structure these episodes have. So yes, I will absolutely jump in the comments section and call you the fuck out on your pathetic attitude and how you just talked about that man under the given circumstances. Especially when he as a fuck tone more creditability to his skills than you have. And second, assuming you clean your bloody attitude up, I am willing to elaborate on what I know regarding more general practices of screenwriting in the industry if you are open to a more pleasant exchange going forward. I am going to point out that I am not saying the writing in the industry isn't flawed. I personally do not think these episodes were Charles Murray's best works, but knowing that I do know and knowing just how hard it is to write a Short Film let alone one along the lines of what we got, I can respect the man tried his best here even if it was not grate. And if you look into what this man has done in the past, it should be noted his strengths in his writing were on display even in these episodes. Aside from Charles Murray specifically and on a general note, there are issues in the industry with writing and I am going to stress and point out that the major problems in the industry more often than not are not the faults of the writers. Now, can we have a more civilized conversation or are you just here to shit post?

​@@christopherpoet458🤓🤓🤓

It's amazing how people still praise him despite all he does is steal and modifies from his betters.

And Kennedy Canon itself.

​​@@aster4jadenBecause his style used to be better. He was praised back then. But nowadays nobody is liking the retcons he has been introducing. This started with the bad patch Ep1. Probably there was another case of retconning prior to this but that's the earliest I can remember post Rebels. If anything. He began losing good faith with Resistance. The people that still praise him just remember how good Clone wars and rebels was back then.

What do you mean - Disney retconned old Star Wars content into Legends because they could, and Dave Filoni is trying his best to make it relevant into current stuff.

@@TheGamingSpartanA113 he did that shit way before disney

agree. disney rewrites canon almost everyday... it's like a sick perversion 🤷‍♂

​@@Maddog-xc2zv Disney doesn't write this stuff

You should have seen this coming since TCW.

They were already butchering the books and comics, but now even things like rebels can be overwritten. Really, maked you think if even the classics are sacret enough for them...

@@CommunityFan No, it's Santa

Exactly, Thrawn said it wasn’t cost effective so I’m sure he tried to improve the design so it would be better received by the Empire.

@@collecter343 That or since Palpatine doesn't actually give a shit about money just sell it as some shiny new toy that might interest him.

so... shes from a planet of force users who dont really use technology, but rely on the magic and natural bonds with the force. How does that translate into understanding how to design weapons systems? Is she using the force to come up with a way to create a new engine that is ultra efficient and works in unexpected and surprising ways? what is her contribution Exactly?

@@aurorauplinks I don’t see why she should. She was cut off from most of her powers and her tribe, so she just respec’d for lack of a better term. After the massacre in 20 bby she decided to do something completely different with her life and by the time of 9 bby she got a magistrate job and one concept project to show for it. I dont see how this implies that she was some tech genius or smth. Keep in mind that unlike the jedi (and maul), the nightsisters weren’t really actively hunted. So, the few nightsister survivors we have in cannon ended up doing wildly different things that didn’t necessarily require them to lay low. This means they had more freedom to do whatever they wanted, so Morgan spending 11 years on an industrial start-up isn’t that far fetched imo.

@@vthesnail wait please explain to me how she lost her powers? in the EU the nightsisters were force users, of the darkside but force users and capable of sith alchemy or some variation of it. how did she get cut off from her powers? I honestly don't know what happened to as Dathomir fell.

@@aurorauplinks The lore on how nightsister magick works is currently very wishy-washy so I'll give you the best explanation the way I understand it. In cannon its still implied that nightsisters are force-sensitive, though they arent really trained to use the force in a traditional way. Instead they preform "magicks" that draw upon the lifeforce of the world around them in the form of "ichor" (the green flame stuff they constantly use). While there isnt much lore on this, the implication is that what the nightsisters use is basically dark side sorcery that is really powerful, but also very specific and hard to cast, requiring many prerequisites, ingredients and knowledge to do so. In the first episode of Tales of the Empire, the symbols on Morgan's face fade away after the massacre and upon seeing this, the matriarch of the mountain clan (cannon version of the light side witches) states that the "nightsister's power is gone with them". She later regains both her powers again and the blade of talzin in the final episdoe of Ahsoka after the great mothers grant them to her. This is weird, since characters like Talzin, Merrin and Shelish kept their powers and continued to use them after the massacre. The only possible in-universe explanation for this inconsistency is that perhaps strong and gifted nighsisters that are prolific users of magicks keep their connection while less powerful ones like Morgan don't. Another possible theory is that the sheer trauma of the event closed her off from the force in the same way a lot of jedi post order 66 were.

@@vthesnail my guess is simpler. the power ful ones had runes in place that actually limited the lesser ones so they could control them and keep them from betraying them. the runes disappearing may have been a misunderstanding.

but, you see, strong woman

Is she really the lead engineer or just the spokesperson?

Well a moisture farmer in the original trilogy becomes the saviour of the galaxy. It's hardly the first or second time characters end up having quite unique lives

@@wearsjorge55 That “moisture farmer” was the son of the chosen one, and was purposefully placed there in hiding. Morgan is just some Nightsister.

@Wasattsi let's use an example from the real world. There's plenty of people from "backwater" places that succeed and have completely different lives. It's not a stretch for Morgan to become involved in the empire, it's just weird seeing her in bloody everything

Tell me you haven't read the EU without saying you haven't read the EU.

@@josh113866 LOLYEP. Though TBH I'm hoping they leave out some of the more obnoxious 90s white magic vs. Black magic valley girl wicca stuff that felt pretty heavy handed in old Dathomir.

​@@josh113866bro there's hundreds of books and unless it was in one of the bigger series no one has the money to read every single thing anymore

same issue. its all about background, not about anything else . I believe someone like Admiral Daala (a woman) could design a starfighter creation program. but not a night sister.

Her Eye of Sion says hello

The Inquisitors want to know your location.

to be fair I can see that still working. Starts out as a project by a lone backwater engineer. When it's taken back to the rebels a big project is undertaken to produce more with lots of resources that make it expensive and that's why there weren't many of them during the war

id actually be interested in her early story escaping the destruction of night sisters and finding a way to go to a school to gain knowledge and power about worlds she doesnt really under stand yet, and show her growing and developing, that would be interesting.

It does feel like they skipped a lot. That’s the part that is a little weird with her episodes. And was a problem I honestly had with Tales of the Jedi too.

@@intergalactic92 I think the problem is the story writer's don't realize how interesting the development parts of a story can be. It's all about budget, presentation, and giving amazing world building while characters learn morality tales whether they are good or bad.

They didn't?

if they wanted us to care they needed to introduce some nuance to the character. Instead we are shown that she's always been there exact same character.

@@CommunityFan They killed her off shortly after her introduction.

@@darthvaderdylanI agree, and thats the problem isn’t it with a lot of Star Wars content it’s just the same person all throughout the content they’re in. We thought Mando was going to change after season 2 and he’s the still the same person he was at the start of season 1. The production team is too busy filling stories with Easter eggs and fun nods to want to actually develop characters lol.

​@@CommunityFanI think her amount of screen time in Ahsoka is 5 minutes.

Or Filoni doesn't care about Zahn's books

I actually really liked the first episode of her set but I didn't feel like the theme of her failing to learn from tragedy, or I guess learning the wrong lessons, established in the first one carried through in an interesting way.

I was the same lol , I listen to these instead of watching and as soon as I heard it I was like “ YUUUUUUH ITS REWIND TIME “

I'm pretty sure those aren't victory classes but what do I know

@@cassgaming2383 yeah venator

@GunsAndAmmo3 Yeah ik, the venators are my favorite carrier/ star destroyer class ships in the star wars universe

At first I thought he was referring to either the Imp 1 or the Venators as Victory, but I realized he was saying "we've never seen a Victory used this late" right after correctly saying both ISD & Venator like a second before. That would be contradicted if he were mistakenly saying Victory in place of Venator, since we literally just saw the same thing in the finale of Bad Batch less than a week prior, and we know he watched Bad Batch. I think he was trying to make a separate point about never seeing the Victory class in any form of visual media and basically leapfrogging it in favor of the ISD1 in the extremely recent canon stories. It just came out poorly, blame his two kids and sleep depravation. I dunno.

ok im going to say it. why would the republic ask ANYONE to give up their personal property? thats not what the republic ever did. they would have asked her to join and take contracts for the republic. they were capitalists, not fascists, not communists, not dictators. They believed in democracy and paying for what you use.

@@aurorauplinks also by asking in the first place it implies that they were aware that she was a weapons manufacturer, who was loyal to the empire. Why would they expect her to go along with any of that willingly?

​@@lacelessshoes2413true. And they were also decommissioning weapons in general as they were against any type of warfare. But sending so few people without proper armament to do such a thing is even dumber than imperial hubrus. But this is a whole different issue.

@@Makocat the more I rewatch that episode I feel like the delegation was the personal mission of that former Corvus citizen. She wanted it, and she was going to go around the security and diplomatic procedures to do so, which is why she ultimately perished along with her small detail of troopers.

@@aurorauplinks The counter point possibility is that Morgan may be considered a "War Criminal". The NR did not make a show of force much post the fall of the Empire and heavily de-militarized. The mentality was that they didn't want to evoke the same fear the Empire did and cause the same issues. That said, the delegation could have also been a personal objective and not an assigned objective. To which I think her thinking is that if she brought Morgan in, the NR would be open to her request to Anax the system and put it under NR protection. Which was probably a doomed line of thought anyway despite good intentions. That said, I am willing to bet no matter what path was taken, Morgan is a known War Criminal and the NR figured that sense the Empire was gone and there was no claim on the system from a warlord that Morgan would not have the means to oppose the NR. To which they would find out by the end of this episode that line of thinking was heavily flawed. People need to understand the NR is not perfect or even "good". They may have fought the Empire but their political system is as broken and disjointed with favoritism as the Empire was. The only difference is the NR did not use its military industry as a way to flex power down and opres people. Instead, they just turn their focus to the member worlds who benefit the NR. Which, to be fair, does have merit logically speaking. But the fact is that the NR did not have the capacity to "respond" to the situation.

The envoy says they came to petition the planet to join the New Republic. The people of the planet didn’t even know the Empire had been defeated, so how could they have requested its successor to intervene on their behalf?

@@Baconator984 No, she says she BROUGHT a petition TO the new republic. The envoy was apparently formerly a citizen of the planet, because the former governor tells her that she shouldn't have returned. When talking to Morgan, she even says "it's what the people want". Go back and watch that segment again, and listen closer to the dialog.

@@mattelder1971 paying attention is tough, there wasn't a game of subway runner playing on the bottom half of the episodes :(

@@mattelder1971 Regardless, as the planet it isn’t yet a member of the New Republic, as their membership was reliant on Morgan relinquishing control, the envoy had no authority to attempt arresting her like they did, on a world she controls, regardless of her “well-known” crimes. They can ask Morgan to turn herself in, sure, but when she inevitably refused, threatening to forcefully depose her in the name of the New Republic only gave her legal reason to have the envoy killed, as such an action could be (and likely was) viewed as a hostile act meant to threaten an independent planet’s sovereignty.

@@Baconator984 wait wait wait... legal reason to have the envoy killed? no see if she controlled the planet she wrote the laws. she can have anyone killed for anyreason. if no one stops her at least. Which goes to the new republic. if the people ask the new republic to free them from a dictator, the new republic would have sent a warship, not a diplomat alone. they may have sent a flotilla bringing in an invasion force and a jedi or two if they had any

Oh, and there was nothing about how she acquired the beskar spear. There has to be a story behind that.

she transformed into a human for convenience. Which... goes back to the question of why make the nightsisters aliens to begin with :s

What would that be, do you think? . . Was it a "woke" one? Tell me if you want.

@@frenzalrhomb6919 that all really depends on your interpretation

She went to a planet, manipulated the people, petitioned something to the Empire and got it rejected then Thrawn heard about it and visited. That doesn't seem implausible to me?

A witch of Dathomir being poorly written by Filoni? Sounds like a day ending in "y" to me.

@@bluehero-96 Filoni didn't write tales of the Empire

@@stuart00knight that’s the spirit

Lmao

THATS WHAT IM SAYING. this would be much more fitting if this came out a little after rebels concluded. both introducing elsbeth and giving some story time for a beloved clonewars character whos master was actually RELEVANT in rebels would have been a very nice extra "treat" we'll say after the rebels story finished. sucks that both this and ashoka were poorly executed but one can dream.

All will be stupid retcons where we find out everything they did was done by a girl behind them.