I never heard of it until now I thought it was new but I doubted it because theirs a lot I haven't heard

Nah the stupid thing is people thinking Disney Star Wars is Star Wars.

​@@chairmanofthebored6860A: They own Lucasfilm. B: By owning Lucasfilm, Disney by extension owns Star Wars. C: They've produced all SW content for about 12 years now. Therefore yes, Disney Star Wars is Star Wars. You don't have to like it if you don't want to, but it is. Also I find it funny that people complain about the Sequels reusing the Death Star thing when Legends has the Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher, Eclipse I, Eclipse II, Centerpoint Station, and Turbolaser yields that by all means should be turning planets to dust. Also bringing back Palpatine. Legends did that twice I think.

Kinda like how when the force awakens released people were hating on Kylo’s lightsaber whenever the crossguard lightsaber is from legends too

Exactly. It's a strange concept, but it's taken from Legends. It's not a new Disney invention.

Herbert had a lightsaber whip years ago 🤣

🤣

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. Including the way to make you lightsaber straight again :D

I think you mean "Schwarz," not lightsaber.

That happens when you masturbate too much. I'm not joking around. Being dead ass serious..

Never heard of them. Clearly they were mainstream favorites.

@@11481 proving his point mate 😂

those same people don’t even know the old Extended Universe never even had a set continuity

The hatedom* does a lot of cherry-picking with their criticism of the new and love for the old. Lotta people want to act like everything made when George owned the IP was perfect and sacred, when even George himself made up some real nonsense. And much of the EU was really stupid. They also like to act like everything Disney makes is trash when it's just a mix, which is what Star Wars has been ever since they started making media outside the OT films. Star Wars has always had its good bits and its lame bits, any mature fan has gotten used to ignoring the bits they don't like. *(my word for the part of a fandom that seems to hate the thing they claim to like more than they enjoy it)

​@@ilo2224 it 100% did. Sure, there were some changes and retcons over the years but the majority of the legends stories did form a fairly consistent continuity.

I was about to correct that, too. The comic series just startet in '77. Thank you! By the way I saw the comic with Lumiya in a comic store here in germany maybe in '86, I don't remember exactly, might have taken them a while to translate it. I never had it myself, but when I startet looking it through and reading it, I couldn't stop, because the story was so full of tension and the concept so cool. It burned itself into my mind ^^ Greetz from germany with force!

My brother has that comic

Also, GIFFANY? Look out, Soos...

Damn, beat me to it

He mentioned her

"N-no Ma'am. You most certainly are not!" *very worried look*

That’s not a light whip, it’s just a bunch of long electric wires.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the Zyggerians from the Clone Wars. I think that’s a nonlethal variation of the weapon, considering it has only been shown to electrocute as opposed to slice through things.

Came here to say this ❤

Those are stun whips used by zygerian slavers

Glad someone else mentioned it. Zygerrian lightwhips are fundamentally better than "lightsaber-whips" as a concept, in my opinion.

@@mitchellhayward6492 no they arent. They are ment to cause pain to subdue a slave. Like it took 6-7 whips at once to subdue an angry Anakin

Personally, I want to see more usage of light-shields. I want to see a Force-user with a light-shield on each arm, partly to be a wall in the midst of battle, and partly because it'd be funny, while also being both cool AND art, to see someone bashing people with dual shields.

I came up with a similar whip/lightsaber combo, around the same age as the TOR character. And I thought I was being original. It's probably still in my Deviantart gallery.

This is the best mentality ❤️

They’ve been in the lore one way or another forever

It's funny because back then, when I was a kid, I used to draw Crossguard Lightsabers long before it appeared in that Star Wars The Clone Wars Game for the NDS and The Force Awakens, anyone Remember that Clone Wars game for the NDS?

I thought my sound dropped out for a second, I really hope this isn't the case again.

"where is eck's outro, is it safe? Is it alright?"

Whenever Poochie isn't on the screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Poochie?"

most of them probably only know the movies and shows.

​@@Atalas5 its almost the same drama when people thought that general griveous was revived for the tales of the empire series but they forgot that flashbacks exist and forgot that clone wars exist.

Some people need a bs reason to bitch about Disney

Honestly, I want more force powers used in live action. When push/lightning hands are the ONLY powers used regularly, I am left severely disappointed.

I think the idea is pretty cool. Unfortunately the acolyte is a dumpster fire and I will not be watching that garbage. Maybe it will make an appearance in something else

I'd say the fan-made duel "Child's Play" would be an even better example.

not everyone read those books

@@khal7702well perhaps they should, they are available online as audio books and are worth the read!

Or Lumiya in the Marvel 80s comics and Legacy of the Force.

Disney is litteraly evil so they deserve it anyway. They are bigots and also promote genocide. (All of the Genocides not just the one you are hearing about right now)

​@@khal7702The Clone wars and Rebels had them too

You are correct. Lumiya used a 'cat o' nine tails' type whip with a mix of matter and energy strands. Githany and Vernestra used single strand energy whips.

@@Wright805Luke had to create a shoto in conjunction with his own lightsaber to have a chance against Lumiya’s lightwhip. He didn’t need it when he finally killed her when he (wrongfully) assumed she killed his wife Mara Jade. Gotta love her mind games

Wow, that actually makes this example dumb, even when I didn't have an issue over it before. Wtf lol

Only source I could find was for the tabletop game, where it only said that the blade containment field itself is what's being flexed and manipulated

force manipulation of containment field and communication with the crystal

Yeah Vern said she got the idea and blueprints from some vision in the Force in the middle of the night

I mean, Disney screwing things up with Star Wars and this not being an example of such aren't mutually exclusive. Disney's made some very questionable choices with the franchise. They've also made some good ones. The net result has overall been negative, though, although not necessarily _as_ bad as some people might claim.

@@VestedUTuber The sequels sucked but the rest were fine, and maybe book of boba fett, that wasn't exactly good to say the least. Personally I didn't like Andor, it felt nothing like star wars but others loved it

​@@Sesuaki19I think Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka and a few parts of the Mandalorian sucked, but not everything is bad, like some people claim.

​@@Sesuaki19 lol andor is the only good star wars show,no way u like kenobi

@@bigjawline9235 I like Kenobi, it felt like star wars, unlike Andor, my father who grew up watching the ot also had the same opinion.

The lightbows and copter sabers are definitely the most egregious. Oh, and the lightsaber rifle. Compared to those, why would anyone even raise an eyebrow at the whip lol.

@@WereScrib lightsaber rifle and laser bow doesn’t sound that absurd. The former is if you look at history there have been sword/gun hybrids. Heck, there was a flintlock axe/pistol that was around for quite a while as part of a cavalry unit’s arsenal.

@@Orcaluv26 No the uhh, lightsaber rifle uses lightsabers as ammunition and blows them apart to destroy them in a like, micro-superlaser thing and was apparnetly a special jedi weapon. It's...Errr Weird. The laserbow's whole issue is that it literally is a regular bow, but it somehow shoots lightsaber bolts when they are released.

@@WereScribI bet it isn’t just a regular bow, otherwise it wouldn’t fire lasers. Nobody complains about Chewie's crossbow (that is literally called a crossbow in Return of the Jedi). This is a feature of Star Wars. It blurs fantasy as much as sci-fi.

@@intergalactic92 The issue is what it looks like. Chewbacca's bowcaster thing is a weird thing that shoots blaster bolts but has a bow as some kind of weird, visual thing. IT doesn't even have a 'string' The nightsister energybow is, literally a regular bow, with 'strings of pure plasma' that fires like, arrows made of pure plasma. Its supposedly got some kind of technological system, but, frankly it looks like a bow. Heck, it was visually inspired by a magical bow from the D&D cartoon, it just...doesn't feel 'technological' in the slightest. How you can ahve a plasma arrow? I dunno, cos it's not in any other bit of star wars. (Technically the 'string' is supposed to be the same tech as the beam that keeps the two engines of a pod racer together, the little energy coil jarjar puts his face into, so it gets a pass, though how it has tension and why you'd use it, when it's 'extremely dangerous and lethal to touch' I dunno but hey.) Its basically the dumbest thing in Star Wars lol.

Also, the scourge of all teeth. And tongues. And just all faces and heads, as well.

Lightsaber axe, lightsaber flyswatter, light saber sandal, lightsaber trident, lightsaber broom, lightsaber fruitpeeler, lightsaber paintroller, etc.

Hey, that's a great idea! Lightsaber hands! Still waiting for a lightsaber tongue! Can you even imagine how awesome that would look? (Might be a bit difficult to wield, though...) Lightsaber eyeballs would be pretty neat too!

Death by french kiss, duh.

Yep the closing weapon is the Indian whip sword which a practicer needs to train for years less they hurt themselves.

too* dangerous

And a normal lightsaber isn’t dangerous at all, of course

Which is why most Jedi don't use them.

Imagine light nunchucks

It depend on if they can make it look good in live action, some thing don't transfer well when they change medium.

The first book of the Bane Trilogy has one in it

I feel like light whips in general are a pretty cheesy concept

half of the entire franchise is cheesy concepts

@@flap.d.jack247 "the entire franchise is cheesy concepts" fix'd. Some bits may be comparable to a fine brie, while others to gross "american cheese product", but it's still all cheese at the end of the day. :P

user would get touched about 20 times in a battle. It's a stupid idea. Same for nunchucks.

Basically, Force users cheat.

If I had to justify it - it allows an unskilled duellist to reduce a fight into a pure test of evasion for both parties (which is a skillset you already need if you expect to get shot at). You don't need to learn offense, parries, tells, or how to counter any fighting style, just keep that whip moving and keep dodging it. The wielder has an advantage in that they can leverage some control over where the whip goes and they're holding the off switch, meanwhile the opponent has an advantage in that they have a weapon with which to defend themselves. If we assume the wielder can dodge their own attacks indefinitely, their opponent must push through the whip zone to win the fight (or shoot them, the whip seems like it wouldn't be responsive enough to provide sufficient protection against sustained blaster fire).

Nope, those were shock whips, not light whips. They can't cut anything, just electrify the target.

@@Wright805 Oooooh, ok. Thanks. I didn't knew they were different

@@Wright805 Wish there was a character who saw lightwhips and electrowhips and had an idea to make toggle version of these two.

Yup. Got her statblock in my old 2000s Star Wars Saga Edition TTRPG book. And the people complaining call themselves nerds...

They also are among Nightsisters in The Clone Wars.

Don't forget the zygerrians

And THAT is why I was first to call Legends versus Canon separation a litigious loophole to dodge getting dogpiled Online by army of angry Nerds, people nowadays don't know a thing about EU Lore, and Light-whips been around for a LONG time there. Well, that, and a chance to sneakily siphon interesting ideas when you need a goodie, ESPECIALLY when yet another of their attempts at creating something, FLOPS harder that is for Stormtrooper to hit anyone important😂😂

lightsabre nunchucks? That sounds like the San-Ni staff used by another Force Tradition - 3 metal cylinders connected by flexible energy binders, used for basic blunt force damage or electric shocks depending on what part you hit the opponent with

No more cruel than a normal lightsaber

@@averywhitaker3513 The lightsaber is built for precise cutting through control and discipline, the light whip is built to cause more wounds, in some cases even ones that don’t cauterize.

@@s0ph053 they... simply aren't. The one in the video that had multiple tendrils and destroyed an eye and neck, was wielded and made by a sith. Note: sith and jedi are different things The damage caused would be the exact same as a lightsaber blade unless the lightwhip was turned off. And they definitely are not imprecise or uncontrolled. If a wielder used one in either manner, they would not make it to combat, they would die immediately. Arguably, because of this, a lightwhip wielder fundamentally MUST be much more precise, disciplined, and in control of their weapon than those with a standard saber

@@averywhitaker3513 It will take far more than just discipline to control a near weightless whip. Not to mention the fear factor and advantage against other lightsaber weilders is something a Jedi shouldn’t need.

@@s0ph053 something like telekinetic powers and precognition, otherwise know as The Force?

Personal prefens

@nilok7 Vernestra addresses this issue in the High Republic books. She got the schematics for her saber from a Force vision. The hilt can project a traditional blade and a light whip. She spends the book worrying about whether the dark side or light side sent her the vision, and whether it was right for a Jedi to use a light whip. It turns out that shortly after building the saber her and some other padawans are stranded on a jungle planet with acid rain and the lightwhip is able to clear the dense jungle foliage faster than a traditional blade which allows her to get the group to shelter from the acid faster. Them surviving also ruins some nihil plans. The Force gave her the vision so she would be equipped to save the padawans and foil the nihil. I recall her also pointing out that Sith didn't invent the lightwhip. And Vernestra addresses the increased danger of using a lightwhip. The concentration and control required to wield it responsibly is high. The user has to be aware of precisely where the entire whip is, where it's going, and where any bystanders are within its range at all times. With skill and the Force a lightwhip can be as presice as any whip. They can be used for defense and offense.

Actually - it does make sense if you really think about it. Let's be real for a second - from the first movie (episode 4), we see Jedi having no qualms with confusing and deceiving anyone, three words: Jedi Mind Trick. Even in Episode 1 with Qui-Gon rigging the dice to land on blue for Anakin. You can try and justify all the things that can be gone over cause it's a way longer list than that - but they still confused and deceived people, let alone opponents. In terms of defence - lightsabers as is have a relatively small area with which to block a blaster, you could, in theory at least, rotate the whip around to in essence create a larger area like a shield even if you still have to move to block same as any other Jedi. If the force is being used in conjunction to control it (as mentioned in the video) then it is significantly less likely as is to hit unintended targets - to say nothing of someone that has mastered it's use likely already has enough control and precision to not do that anyway - such as in the real world where some skilled enough with a whip can knock a cigarette out of someone's mouth without hitting them. Lastly - there is the question if it is normally able to 'cut' the same way as a regular lightsaber, or is it at a setting in which it can make contact but not cut through an opponent - which would mean it could instead be used to restrain an opponent rather than killing them, which at last check, would be a way more Jedi thing to do to restrain rather than cut down. But then again - as Obi-Wan would say, that's 'from a certain point of view'.

@@Marvolo14 Them changing it so the lightwhip wasn't created by the sith is weird, since the sith where the first ones to use it. It's okay to say that the jedi adapted it from the sith to use the lightwhip to gain an advantage, as the sith created many weapons the jedi adopted like the early physical force blades made with force (sith) alchemy. It seems far to convenient and hand wavy.

⁠@@nilok7 I mean, that info is legends. So they’re only changing it in canon because it’s the first one we’ve seen. The same with the force weapons. We haven’t got a canon version of that. And technically the Je’daii used them first. The dark Jedi we’re able to make force sabers because it required dark side. But the Rakatans invented them. But the Je’daii were the first to invent the light saber.

She was an Emperor's Hand sent to spy on the Rebels (and seduce Luke) before the rest of that stuff :)

@@ZoeMalDoran Actually, she didn't become an Emperor's Hand until after her time as a spy. Before that, she was just Vader's prodigy.

@@ElladanKenet hmm, guess my source is incorrect. Oh well, not the end of the universe

““Like Githany’s whip!” Bane exclaimed. Githany eschewed traditional weaponry in favor of the very rare energy whip: just one of the many traits that made her stand out from the other apprentices. It operated on the same basic principles as a lightsaber, but instead of a steady beam, the energy of the crystals was projected in a flexible ribbon that would twist, turn, and snap in response to both Githany’s physical motions and her use of the Force. “Exactly. The energy whip is far less efficient than any of the lightsaber blades. However, nobody ever practices against the whip. Githany knows that her enemies’ confusion at being confronted with the whip gives her an edge.”” - Darth Bane: Star Wars Legends 3-Book Bundle: Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, Dynasty of Evil (Star Wars: Darth Bane Trilogy - Legends) by Drew Karpyshyn a.co/hcbOhOB

Still dumb and random. But you’ve proved not a Disney original. Disney copied a bad idea from the EU. Not exactly a flex.

@@11481 In what way is it a bad idea? There are thousands of things in legends that are objectively dumb. Lightsaber whips aren’t one of them.

​@@11481you said in another comment you hadn't even known the characters who used it Quit larping as someone who read the EU comics/books lol.

​@@KrisHandsomelol this. They couldve had sabers coming from someone's wrists and knees like in visions. Whips aren't the end of the world

From the 80s, not the 70s.

Githany.

““Like Githany’s whip!” Bane exclaimed. Githany eschewed traditional weaponry in favor of the very rare energy whip: just one of the many traits that made her stand out from the other apprentices. It operated on the same basic principles as a lightsaber, but instead of a steady beam, the energy of the crystals was projected in a flexible ribbon that would twist, turn, and snap in response to both Githany’s physical motions and her use of the Force. “Exactly. The energy whip is far less efficient than any of the lightsaber blades. However, nobody ever practices against the whip. Githany knows that her enemies’ confusion at being confronted with the whip gives her an edge.”” - Darth Bane: Star Wars Legends 3-Book Bundle: Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, Dynasty of Evil (Star Wars: Darth Bane Trilogy - Legends) by Drew Karpyshyn a.co/hcbOhOB

Easy, easy. I grew up with pre-clone wars Prequels, but I'm still in my early 30s.

Agreed. Rule-of-cool only goes so far.

that's dumb.... Jedi aren't aware our "Galaxy", plus that hadn't happened yet - To them, we're the future. Everything is "real world" with Disney SW fans.... you guys ruined it. You made it the crap that we already live with.

@@natmarelnam4871 You're not exactly wrong. Even so, fiction is full of real-world elements without explaining why in-universe. Media is usually crafted with the audience in mind, after all.

@@natmarelnam4871 don’t quite understand your point. If you watch the clones wars you see whips being used on slaves (which was pre Disney). so yes, it does exist in the Star Wars world

​@@natmarelnam4871you do realize George Lucas has literallt said the Rebel Alliance is based on the Viet Cong and the Empire is the US right?

Like most things that get blown out of proportions, it's likely people like Eckharts ladder farming the loudest and most extreme opinions like it's a hate movement.

@@ExileTwilight Now that you mention it, I didn't hear about these complaints until this video. The only controversies I've heard surrounding the Acolyte is the director's apparent lack of familiarity with Star Wars (though it's usually pointed out that Andor, iirc, similarly had someone unfamiliar with Star Wars) and her close association with Weinstein. Oh, and the usual concern about injecting modern politics without filtering it through an in-universe lense.

Same, I watched JJ plagiarism and he never talked about this controversy

““Like Githany’s whip!” Bane exclaimed. Githany eschewed traditional weaponry in favor of the very rare energy whip: just one of the many traits that made her stand out from the other apprentices. It operated on the same basic principles as a lightsaber, but instead of a steady beam, the energy of the crystals was projected in a flexible ribbon that would twist, turn, and snap in response to both Githany’s physical motions and her use of the Force. “Exactly. The energy whip is far less efficient than any of the lightsaber blades. However, nobody ever practices against the whip. Githany knows that her enemies’ confusion at being confronted with the whip gives her an edge.”” - Darth Bane: Star Wars Legends 3-Book Bundle: Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, Dynasty of Evil (Star Wars: Darth Bane Trilogy - Legends) by Drew Karpyshyn a.co/hcbOhOB

Blame that manchild Filoni for that 😂

​@@artnull13what has Filoni to do with this

He didn’t say it was

no one was saying it was

Disney is never gonna give us Treasure Planet 2...

@@depressedTrent what? I was talking about Star Wars. Look it up, there was a Star Wars comic book run with sailing ships in space.

@AW-ix5qg - I mean, Dooku's ship used a solar sail. Which is actually a real technology used by NASA in a few actual spacecraft...and a great way of accelerating at a rate that makes snails look fast...so long as you have a star at your back...and you're already moving at orbital velocities. But, you know, physics works different in the SW universe, I guess... 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@AW-ix5qgespecially Farfalla’s flagSHIP 😆

@@BugRib I'm not talking about solar sales. The comic had Spanish galleon style ships in space. I want that in live action. After the space whales this is right up modern Star Wars' alley.

Maybe watch the video before commenting

That's part of the point. Some Legends fans are hypocrites

That you weren't actually looking at the video before you comment because you're so hurt by Disney aren't you Such a sad little one.

There’s all kind of stupid shit in star wars.

There’s all kind of stupid shit in star wars. It has been its own worst enemy from day one.

Marvel Comics (like DC) publishes titles in Volumes. This was the basic differential before timelines and multiverses became popular. So, no. The pre-Disney Marvel Star Wars comics are not retroactively canonized. They were a different volume, different timeline, different galaxy.

@@AngeloBarovierSD Thanks

In context of the story I believe he used the 'tanto' specifically to catch the whip and keep his other hand free to attack with. Were there better options? Probably. But in the context of the story Luke was already well-versed in using a traditional lightsaber, learning an entire new weapon for one opponent seems a bit much.

​@@ExileTwilight 'catch the whip', I guess I just don't get it. Maybe I need to read the story. Is it like easier because he has all of the whip parts on a shorter weapon ? And a shorter weapon is just more manageable? -Lighter, -less likely to cut yourself - better leverage on the 'strong' of the blade -ect That kind of stuff?

Is it like a 'strong of the blade vs weak of the blade' kinda thing? Anybody know what I'm talking about...?

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