This should have been the villain for the sequel trilogy. It would have also made sense why Luke cut himself off and acted cowardly. Most of us would if powerful wicked god was on the loose.

I remember reading fate of the Jedi as a kid. Abeloth was terrifying, and a great villain. But I highly doubt they will canonize her.

I love the glitch of Abeloth at the opening. Very well done.

Could Balan be more in line with the Father? Seems like he wants to bring balance to the force by ending the ceaseless cycle of violence in the universe.

It could be that she is manipulating Baylean as she did that in the books.

What if Baylan doesn't know the true nature of Abeloth? He really does think that he is doing the right thing but he is actually shooting himself in the foot.

Abeloth is so terrifying, but compelling. Her darkness is so different from what we usually see in the sith. We are used to seeing are all driven to control and conquer. Vader, Sidious, even Plagueis were all using anger and aggression (covertly or not) to actively fight their way up. Abeloth's darkness comes from longing, this twisted unquenchable desparation. Something so bone chilling about her.

First off, I loved the glitchy versions of the opening and ending, heh. Good shit. Secondly, I also don't really think Abeloth either is or fits the idea of what Baylan is after, but it's kinda sad to me that she's apparently NOT more well loved, I thought she was a great example of Star Wars at its absolute weirdest.

I can say with 99% certainty that Ahsoka is not leading to Abeloth. This fanbase jumps to these wild Legends conclusions every time there is a modicum of uncertainty about potential outcomes for open ended questions and is very rarely correct. But it's cool that people are keeping her spark alive because i love Abeloth.

The fact Anakin shows up as a force ghost in the end shows how in tuned with the force that planet is, just like Mortis. Baylon and the statues at the end pretty much confirms the theory I feel like.

The cycles of destruction and both Abeloth's and the Force's role in it is so rarely discussed but I really think is kinda the point of the namesake of Star Wars. It's literally the least talked about but most important element and it is refreshing to see someone acknowledge it.

When I first saw the Mortis gods in the Clone wars, I wondered where the mother was so I looked her up then. The more I read about her in legends, the more I fell in love. I hope they bring her to canon.

Fate of the Jedi is so underrated probably my favorite series of Star Wars novels

4:35 holy jumpscare

All this Abeloth speculation is giving me some bad Mephisto in Wandavision vibes.

I think there is weight behind the Abeloth theory only due to Filoni being tied to the Ahsoka series and he being the one who brought The Ones to the tv series. Otherwise i wouldnt think they would want to stretch too much further than Thrawn and the rising remnants forming the First Order.

Fitting that you speak of her during Halloween season.

I definitely wouldn't mind more Lovecraftian and eldritch stuff in Canon, but Abeloth specifically? I don't know. I think it'd be safer to just create a new entity or something else similar to her but also distinct.

Fun fact: the Killicks (sp) are a hive mind that absorb the knowledge of those who join it. The context of that knowledge is either lost over time or not absorbed in the first place (I can't recall which), however, so rumors can become facts and truths incompatible with each other can both be true to the Killicks. Recently read Fate of the Jedi and wanted to add the above for fun, it doesn't disprove anything Eck said.

I’m going to be honest - I dont know if we have time for her *and* Thrawn’s return

It was not out of jealous or desire for power that led her to drink the Font of Power and swim in the Pool of Knowledge but her fear of loosing her precious family since she was the only mortal of the family while the Ones were immortal. Her action however transformed her into a immortal but eldritch horror which corrupted her spirit into evil. She tried to subdue both the Son and Daughter but the Father protected them and left the Planet with both children, leaving Abeloth stranded. With this her most deepest fear came true - losing her precious family which drove her completely insane.

Abeloth would be an amazing antagonist for the second half of the Filoniverse…

All hyped for Abeloth, ready to be let down baby!!

I’VE BEEN CALLING MY GIRL ABELOTH SINCE EPISODE ONE WHEN WE SAW THREE STATUES! I immediately assumed that the far off galaxy (and the Three Statues related to Dathomir were a refrence to the Ones of Mortis, who the Dathomiri worship) was her Cage

Honestly i think that just like how the yuuzhan vong were substituted with the grisk, something like abeloth would be better off replaced by a different entity serving a loosely similar role, like an evil bendu-like creature Thrawn was only really re-canonized because he was that critically acclaimed. There is no other Legends figure on his level of popularity aside from maybe Darth Revan.

I love what you did with the intro and outro for an Abeloth video

that spooky intro and outro got me, loved it

This is probably just me hoping but an introduction like this could be a great way to finally introduce a hard break in canon from the sequel trilogy. People have been clamoring for a soft reboot for awhile and they've been content so far to just fill the 30 year gap between when the sequel movies start and the end of Episode 6, while only softly alluding to stuff from the sequels. Throwing Thrawn back into the mix along with Aboleth would be the perfect way to both muddle the waters and present a cool, fresh storyline that could invalidate the lead up to the sequel movies.

Cool new Halloween intro outro, love the use of the slowed Resonance

We still don't know what presence Palpatine sensed in that flashback in Empire's End. I'm betting something like Abeloth, but not Abeloth. Though, there is this. Skӧll and Hati are the sons of the wolf Fenrir, and an unnamed giantess. In the Old Norse religion, it is foretold the wolves will chase the sun and moon across the skies until Ragnarök, at which point the wolves catch up and devour the celestial beings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sköll Angrboða (Old Norse: [ˈɑŋɡz̠ˌboðɑ]; also Angrboda) is a jötunn in Norse mythology. She is the mate of Loki and the mother of monsters.[1] She is only mentioned once in the Poetic Edda (Völuspá hin skamma) as the mother of Fenrir by Loki. The Prose Edda (Gylfaginning) describes her as "a giantess in Jötunheimar" and as the mother of three monsters: the wolf Fenrir, the Midgard serpent Jörmungandr, and the ruler of the dead Hel.[1] The Old Norse name Angrboða has been translated as 'the one who brings grief',[2] 'she-who-offers-sorrow',[1] or 'harm-bidder'.[3] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angrboða Might be looking too much into it.

Love that analog horror in your intro.

If this happens Rey and whatever government is in charge after episode 9 are so doomed.

Abeloth is one of my favorite Star Wars Legends villains.

So, I wasn’t ready for your custom intro for this video, startled the piss out of me 😂

Love the themed intro!

Very good clip Eck! I like your thoughts on this potential matter. Also, great opening and closing, RE: Glitching

A in depth video about Abeloth would be a perfect video for Halloween

every image of abeloth is the most terrifying thing i've ever seen. I get shivers every fucking time

They dont have the guts to bring her out. Theres no way. I ABSOLUTELY loved that old book series. Shes terrifying and i love it.

That intro actually gave me chills 😭

Loving the Spooktober intro! Good work!

Abeloth deserves her own trilogy.

Apparently there is a Zeffo Easter egg on the platform the Great Mothers are first standing on that is in sith writing and talks about the dark side sage Kujet, so it might be that Baylan is looking for Zeffo power or knowledge that could end the cycle of war, and it would be cool if this comes true so that another link to Jedi Fallen order is made

I wish they could introduce the Mnggal-Mnggal later on in another season or another series with Ezra. Maybe they can make something where, Ashoka supposedly destroys Abeloth but in the end, she's alive and becomes or her essence transforms into the Mnggal-Mnggal, becoming a greater threat.

If they're bringing Abeloth in, they'll have to nerf her big time as she'd kill Ahsoka with a blink of an eye lol. In fact she'd kill the whole Ahsoka cast in about 5 seconds... so if she is brought in, it'll be a Diet Coke version of her unfortunately

Really cool intro! Spooky

The "spooky" edits of the intro and outro are great

I didn’t know that Abeloth’s coming was a sort of cyclical thing triggered by events in the galaxy. That’s pretty cool. My favourite game series are the Ace Combat games, and there’s a mythical figure in those games called the Razgriz who appears cyclically to wipe out the world and then recreate it. Reminds me of that, which I really enjoy.

I’ve seen this mentioned in a few times in videos it is very interesting as someone who has never heard this being.

*Shin's* *Behavorial* *Patterns* Shin stabbed Sabine in the abdomen. She Force choked Sabine until Baylan told her to stop. She said "destroy them" to the Nighttroopers without any hesitation. She did not stutter until Ahsoka intervened. And people want to ship Shin with Sabine? 😂 Sabine must have a twisted view on love if she wants to be with someone who keeps trying to kill her!! Is Sabine a masochist? What were Baylan's parting words for Shin again? It's actually a quote from Louis XIV of France. "Impatience for victory will guarantee defeat." Remember, Anakin was impatient too. Led him to the dark side when Obi-Wan kept telling him to be patient. Baylan might be sensing that in Shin. If let's say Baylan is grey, Shin is a little more closer to the dark side. I just can't see Shin suddenly joining Ahsoka one episode later just because her master abandoned her when she was a split second of getting Ezra and Sabine killed. We don't know much of Shin. For her to be redeemed later, wouldn't she need to be with the dark side first?? Now if she can't get accepted by Thrawn, she might end up wandering around Peridea looking for Baylan. But to see her join Ahsoka? I'm not sure about that based on her behavioral patterns. Shin has eyes of a killer. Baylan truly is a great character without many personality flaws to him. I'm not saying he's a Gary Stu. He's strong and powerful who can handle fighting Ahsoka. He's intelligent and wise. He's shown patience and compassion which Shin hasn't yet. It's not all about Baylan's mystery tour. He's an interesting character on his own. Very Dooku-like from Tales of the Jedi before joining Sidious. Now perhaps Baylan's flaw is finding this entity that leads to his death? He's getting duped. Maybe he's gone mad? And I did question why he would tell Shin to kill Ezra and Sabine when he could've had Sabine killed a few episodes prior. What was the whole point bringing Sabine there? It was a sudden turn. Or he could be so brainwashed by Abeloth, who knows? The fate of Shin is the second biggest mystery behind Baylan's quest. She's the wildcard. Where will she go? Thrawn, find Baylan, or join Ahsoka? Baylan is still the most intriguing part of the entire story. The one who is calling him could end up being a crazy reveal. I just hope it's not as lame as Bran Stark being named the King. I'm hearing in Episode 8, Morgan will fight Ahsoka again. That's cool. Morgan will be equipped with two daggers from the Great Mothers. I'm thinking daggers that look as badass as Catspaw in GOT. There is going to be a confrontation between Ahsoka, Ezra, and Sabine against the witches or perhaps with just Ashoka? I predict nobody dies though. It's a fight where nobody is fatally wounded just like what we saw in Ep 7. Just some action scenes to fill up time. I really do believe Thrawn is leaving and the heroes will not stop them. Then I figure the other parts is showing where Baylan is headed. As Josh from The Den of Nerds said, I would be completely fine if all of Ep 8 was focused on Baylan. I really do not care what happens to Thrawn or Ahsoka in Ep 8. It's fairly predictable by this point. I figure Thrawn is gone. Peace out, y'all! Ahsoka tries to fight the witches but ends up getting stuck there. Then the Baylan stuff is what we'll hopefully see at the end which leaves a major cliffhanger.... Then two damn years waiting for Ahsoka Season 2 to get answers just like fans like me waiting two damn years for House of the Dragon Season 2. And perhaps as long as three damn years starting from 2022 for Stranger Things S5, Cobra Kai S6, Andor S2, and The Boys S4. The Long Night... This sucks! I'll get more impatient than Anakin and Shin!

If this is true (massive if), they're gonna have Baylan tell a story from the temple about it to catch the non-clone wars/rebels viewers up with the celestials, but this seems a bridge too far for live action star wars IMO

Having read both LOTF and FOTJ recently, I LOVE This video!

#AskEck First let me say, congrats on 5.5 million views on Battle of the Dreadnoughts! Will you continue on your battle breakdown series on the Yuuzhan Vong war? I really want to see more detailed videos on what went down during the war.

i sure hope so, need some horror in star wars fr

2:58 Hey Eck, there’s an interview with Troy Denning talking about her connection to the clone wars and Dave filoni

You should implement more of those scary intros and outros. They were amazing

Keep up the good work man, love your stuff!

I feel like if Abeloth is the next villain, he (or I guess she) needed a bigger lead up than just simply Baylon mentioning a “dark force.” Sure it’s unlikely she’ll show up in the season finale, but I would have at least liked some kind of hint at her earlier rather than just an indirect mention.

Concerning Baylan, what if it’s not a race calling to him but the THO YOR? Now i haven't read the Dawn of the Jedi comics myself, just an avid Wookiepedia surfer, but the idea of the Tho Yor has always interested me. Large mysterious floating pyramids find force users and are then studied and used to transport across the galaxy, starting both the Jedi and intergalatic relations (also invasions i guess... looking at you Rakatans). As we have progressed through the Ahsoka show, the little drips and hints of what may truly be in this new galaxy and on Perida have us all thinking about potential races and plot points. The Grysk, Yuuzhan Vong, Rakatans and now even The Abaloth is being thrown about as a possibility. All of which I think would be fun and interesting additions to our 'offical' canon. That said, my mind keeps coming back to the Tho Yor. Yes the Grysk would make sense, given we have Thrawn, and the other races all could work and play a role in telling the coming story. But Baylan talks of the endless cycle of wars, the beginning of it all, training Shin in a different way, hearing the calls of something great and powerfull... and all i can think of are those damn cool looking floating mystery pyramids. What it means, where it leads I have no idea but I guess time will tell. What do people think?

If they're really going to reveal her, this will either piss off Star Wars fans or this will become the latest masterpiece the franchise has ever had. I hope you people are ready for the new episode first thing tomorrow. But if it isn't revealed yet, then it's clear that these people need to think long and hard before they proceed with the revelation

I mean, it’s not like Abeloth is above lying. Specifically lying about wanting to bring peace while fomenting conflict.

I like the idea of Baylen being so in over his head that he thinks that he can control what hes releasing because hes the only one headed towards whatever is pushing thrawn away. Which would ultimatly lead to his demise

whoever was in charge of andor should be in charge of any abaloth series or trilogy because it has to be dark and evil or it just won't feel the same

yoooooooo cool edit

It sounds awesome, but too awesome that I don't want to be frustrated if it doesn't happen, so I'll keep my low expectations.

It will be the Emperor, because “Somehow he returned “.

Hey Eckharts a quick question. I feel like it should obvious by now but how do you get the footage of the star wars tv shows for your videos? I'm trying to put something together, that's why

I don't need these intros to fuck with me; I watch this shit at night, man!

In meta, Abeloth predates the Ones. The Fate of the Jedi book series where Abeloth debuted showed the character before The Ones appeared in the Clone War series. The lore of the book series was changed to tie the Mortis Gods to Abeloth.

Glad I read and kept my hardback copies of the books. Still one of my favorite series from the EU. Abeloth was written well and down right scary to think of what she was. Seeing the ending of Ahsoka... well I won't spoil one way or another.

Abeloth might not be one to end the cycle like Baylin wants, but maybe in reaching out to baylin she’s tricked him into thinking that

I think there's something to consider: even if I'm not expecting any Abeloth to appear in the finale, I WILL say that I still think Baylan could have justifiable reasons to seek her out. You describe their goals as being opposite... but what if that's exactly it? Baylan believes Abeloth feeding on chaos and conflict is encouraging it through the Force, and he's deliberately seeking her out to DESTROY her? Obviously even if he has a plan he'd be way in over his head, but yeah. As mentioned though, I'm not expecting her to show up, just explaining how I think it COULD work. also damn nice spooky intro and outro

I thought The Mother became Abeloth because when she was growing old, she was scared of dying and losing her family, so she became desperate to find a quick way to become immortal, which went horribly wrong. I've never read the books though, so I'm most likely wrong.

Star wars Cthullu is here and i am here for it.

Was definitely thinking the same thing

Abeloth should have a story dedicated to her. Not be some background character in the THRAWN movie / storyline. It’s not her. It’s something that will make him go crazy like joruus. Or actually is joruus. Or Ezra alrdy is and we just haven’t seen his crazy side. Except for his eyes.

jacens betrayal was the final push for aboloths release....and currently we don't have a jacen.

Was that scream footage in the intro from jedi rocks?

Nailed the title

I've always been highly interested in abeloth, and really wish there was more of her in star wars. She's a very interesting story point that simply didn't receive the love and attention it could have. Hope we do see her!

I think the power that Baylan seeks is Abeloth in the sense that he plans to absorb it either into Shin or himself, so that he can sacrifice that person to destroy Abeloth and end the cycle that she creates. Because what if like in Legends Abeloth is immortal and can’t be killed by anything but the Mortis Dagger. So, Baylan’s solution to this is to trap her within a mortal body so that when said mortal dies she dies with them. Which would effectively make her mortal again.

My opinion is, they're just gearing up for Halloween.

while abaloth may may fit the description of what baleth is looking for, there's no reason for her to not lie and feed into his desire...

Abeloth be like: chaos is a ladder 🪜

I'm kind of a huge fan of that slower outro theme tbh

Mark my words: Abaloth is behind Palpatine coming back to life in 9 and will be the main antagonist of the future

If Disney want to Recanonized Abeloth/The Mother, Save her for the Rey Movie.

ngl i'm thinking that it's gonna be that one cross-galactic sith that was mentioned in the text on the wall who's been calling out to Baylan imo

*The* *Last* *Jedi* There's a scene where Luke Skywalker looks angry and is holding a lightsaber ready to kill his nephew because he saw darkness in him. What if the same dark entity that pushed Luke to abandon the dogma of the Jedi Order is the same one calling Baylan? The Sequel Trilogy can be viewed better if they somehow create links to other stories that led to their actions. The Prequels is now viewed so much better thanks to The Clone Wars animated series to fill the 3-year gap between AOTC and ROTS. The only thing I don't wish it to be is Palpatine. I personally love Sidious but Disney made a huge mistake bringing him back for TROS which created tons of plot holes and ruined the OG characters previous actions. It simply didn't make any sense and I wanted Snoke to be his own character. Killed him off way too soon. *What* *If* *It's* *Anakin?* Nobody has really asked that. What if he is The Son? I think a lot of people would love Anakin back in some physical form and not be in flashbacks or in holograms. If they can bring Palpatine back, they can do the same for Anakin. It's not like Hayden is getting tons of calls from studios. I'm not part of the Hayden member berries club who keeps wanting to see him from all the nostalgia bait. I didn't care for Hayden's portrayal of Anakin from 20 years ago. But if it's a way to bring Hayden's Anakin back in a physical form and not just in WBW or in holos, why not? We keep coming up with different theories and it's like what happened to guessing who Marrok was. Made people trying to guess who he was look foolish. What if it's a lot simpler than that? What if it's right in front of us like Queen Amidala and Padmé being the same person in TPM? Check out the SW celebration with Ray and Lars getting interviewed. We got Baylan and Thrawn, two of the best characters in Ahsoka with the most charisma. Lars said something interesting. He said we won't really know what's it all about until the final scene. *What* *If* *It's* *Shin?* What if Shin is Abeloth or is controlled by her and is really the dark entity calling Baylan to go there? Then when Baylan goes to this temple, tomb, or cave, he releases the real version of this evil spirit? We really don't know much about Shin. She could be possessed by Abeloth or whoever. Be used as an instrument to lure Baylan there. Or perhaps Shin is like Agatha in WandaVision. Pulling the strings all along. "And I killed Sparky, too." When I first saw Shin, she looked broken and unhinged. She looks eager. I initially thought she would betray and kill Baylan. Perhaps this is still in play? Shin has this face of a killer. I keep comparing Ivanna Sakhno to Elizabeth Olsen because they can portray dark, complicated women. If Shin isn't accepted by Thrawn and the witches on their ship, where else can she go? So she will probably follow Baylan wherever he's going to unless she takes Ahsoka's offer of joining them. You might see Shin just wandering around Peridea. I would be pissed if Shin does kill Baylan though unless she was possessed by this demonic entity. It's how I felt with Kylo Ren after killing Han (even though the real killer is Harrison)... "Han is not complicated enough" according to HF. I've seen Star Wars and Indiana Jones so many times that I've lost count and Indy is not anymore complicated than Han. Same guy, different costumes! Two characters on different sides of the same coin with Harrison's picture on each side. Going back to Shin, I really hope she's not out to kill Baylan because she's secretly possessed or she's this dark entity in physical form but in a weakened state. The leak says neither Baylan and Shin will be killed this season. Does it end like Shenmue II? In a cave discovering something but then ends abruptly? Everything is in play. Abeloth, Bendu, a Zeffo, The Son, Anakin, or a possessed or unpossessed Shin. I think Shin is an interesting character. I don't want it to be her so we can explore her background more. She's like a Grey Jedi Rey. But we need to know more of her background because what exactly is she redeeming about herself if she turns to the light? One of the worst things The Last Jedi did other than the bad characterization of Luke was killing Snoke in the middle of the movie. I wanted to know more about him. Then we discover in TROS that he was a creation by Palpatine. So lame. I really hope they don't make the same mistake with Shin. She has potential to be the most popular female SW character of all-time. I will miss Baylan Skoll... Dooku + Obi-Wan + Plo Koon = AWESOME Sprinkle some Qui-Gon and Thrawn in there as well. Just a fantastic character.

They say that Luke and Krytis defeated her. But just be sure Luke sent his Jedi out to look for the dagger. I think it more likely that Balan will find a force well himself and well… either dive in it or destroy it

After episode 8 I am CERTAIN that this is the case

What if Baylan's story is setting the stage for a Post-ST villain?

The finally is gonna be insane!

I think if Abeloth does show up, it'll be in some heavily adapted form, maybe even using a different name. Perhaps her role as The Mother will be referenced, and she'll be then connected to the Nightsisters of Peridea as their first Great Mother (or some other superlative Mother, greater than Great). I also think that if she's what's luring Baylan, they'll borrow that aspect of her story from Legends, where her whispers are deceits, false promises of power and knowledge. That way, the fact that Baylan is essentially looking for a great Agent of Order doesn't conflict with the fact that he's about to unleash the great Agent of Chaos.

Using Joh Yowza and Max Rebo as horror footage is truly inspired

Hope the Grysk are making the transition from the books.

If Abeloth is meant to be the counterpart to The Father from Mortis, and Anakin was meant to take the place of The Father, I feel like it's possible that Anakin's appearance in the Ahsoka show could also be foreshadowing a confrontation with Abeloth or some equivalent entity, and in doing so, showing Anakin's greater role in the force.

I’ll eat my hat. Should have been the sequel trilogy, but there’s no way they’re introducing this now.

being very familiar with LOTF and FOTJ in particular, i agree with the assessment on her being a reset. if they do include her, they may ditch a few of her features to fit the story but it makes sense with how prominent the Ones have been as a possibility. perhaps Anakin's choice freed her, rather than Jacen's. abeloth as in Legends? doubtful but a bringer of Chaos? sure.

Yeah, I doubt that we'll see Abeloth. I'm starting to lean more towards the idea that Baylan will either find a way to access the WBW like how Palpatine did in Rebels (maybe not the same way, but something similar), or he somehow finds a way to get to Mortis and replace the Father. Either way, I think the most suitable way for him to change the cycle of violence in the galaxy is to alter the will of the Force directly. Have people on both the light and dark side lose their connection to the Force, and have him influence events to happen that completely change people's lives (such as making a crime boss see the error of their ways).