I did, but not in the way you think. Associative studies are just that - people who are ill stop exercising and their body loses muscle, so of course weak people are more likely to die. See what Longo, a qualified researcher who has studied longevity all his life has to say. Exercise, as people in the bluezones did, and your body does not give up muscle. The bluezones are all around RDA protein levels, and were lower than most other places around the world, nothing like double the RDA. Most people who live longer are smaller, slim, esp. women. Not body builder types like Brad S. I have nothing against that, but question them saying it aids longevity.

What Dr. Patrick didn't include in the analogy is that 70% of what is pulled from the retirement fund is then returned to the retirement fund. Also, what's more important for building the retirement fund: 1) resistance training or 2) new amino acids. If there's no resistance training, the new amino acids will not be deposited into the retirement fund to build it. They will be spent on necessities (e.g. converted to glucose), deposited into the the "party fund" (i.e. fat), or deposited into the retirement fund to make up for losses from a bad investment (i.e. muscle catabolism). There's no shortcuts.

​@@jakubchrobry3701sounds like a takeaway is that you have to work for health, it can't be bought at least not in the long term

@@KenGold666 Yes, working for health is a reality for too many people. Fortunately, it's not work for me. I love to exercise and i love the food I eat. I don't need or crave Ben & Jerry's and double bacon cheeseburgers.

@@jakubchrobry3701 Same here!! Exercising is a way of life and a hobby for me! I’ve been training since I was 10yrs old and now I’m in my 50’s. But most people who don’t know my age think I’m either in my late 30’s or early 40’s.

1.2 g/kg minimum to maintain, 1.6g/kg when training

Can see who was actually listening

@@Reider242 and watching. I usually listen to stuff like this when working or walking.

You can. Just add more protein

She’s an armchair researcher too 😸

Some of us are/were trained scientists... and can see the logical failures, the reaching, the jumping to conclusions, the inferring, and the just plain bad science that is the crux of social media "scientists".

Under every nutrition related video you have an army of randos repeating stuff they heard their favorite social media scientist say without understanding shit 👍

@@jazandrizshe’s a Dr

God forbid someone try to educate themselves and do their own research.

What evidence? People with the highest life expectancy live in Hong Kong…and they eat the most meat

Check out forever strong , or look or Gabrielle Lyons on KZfaq, seems as thought if you are older you can still build muscle with high protein intake and some resistance training. Kettle bells swings are a great full body exercise that is easy on the body !

@@Hacktheplanet_ Thanks, Will do!

@@larosity looks like my comment is deleted. Wonder why that is

Just an idea, can you do light weights 3x a week...you can build muscle using light weights. You would need to do longer reps..Dr Rhonda has information on this KZfaq channel...some one may be able to post that for you...don't give up, give it time and protein.

@@jannmacdougall1448 I have been doing lightweight lifting; 20 minutes eery other day with one hour od aerobics on the other days; increased my protein intake also so I am hoping for the best...thanks for all the good input!

These tests/studies are part of the system. The matrix. It's nowhere near practical for regular people that's just focused on health and functionality. It's just a ploy for people to spend more money on food excessively. If you're not a obese person eating too much sugar and carbs, you're and fit a person being sold to over eating protein. Yes, that's it, buy more food. Smh.

It’s not that hard. Just eat the equivalent of an 8oz steak and a few eggs daily.

I hear you but it's not that hard. It is made to *appear* hard by the food industry to find proper Protein sources, but really if you stick to basics like steak, eggs and fish, 1,2g p.kg is attainable. Also, P intake is very important for everybody's health, not only Bodybuilders (that need and take more like 3g p.kg!)

Absolutely key for the brain and mental health. I spend my money on protein and a wide variety of essential supplements.

its not survival bruv u think 3rd world countries are getting even close to 100g of protein a day lol, they live long lives still but are not near as healthy as they could be

Subtract your body fat percentage in lbs from your total weight. Example for 200lb male with 20% body fat 20% of 200 is 40lbs of fat. 200lbs - 40lbs = 160lbs of lean body mass

Yes sir great point

Stop it. You will eat less because you'll be fuller.

No. Aim for about 1gram of protein per pound of body weight that you want to weigh. You don’t have to hit the mark perfectly every day but the more consistent the better. To drop weight just cut down on carbs and if you are heavy you should be eating minimal carbs for a long while that way your body is forced to consume the fat stores on your body in a caloric deficit. Remember too much carbs is what turns to fat. Almost no one gets fat eating only protein (but too much fatty meat can lead to heart disease and plaque in your blood vessels).

Most importantly. Drop carbs and be anti sugar. Mission impossible in western world

bliz also takes "supplements"

any time throughout.

Whenever you can is better than never

Very important

not worth it. too much water retention. eat a balanced smart complete diet.

@@albundy3929 the benefits outweigh the one con of water retention

@@albundy3929 that might be the most dumb thing I’ve heard. The benefits outweigh the cons by a mile.

@@nycoolj3 beautiful sentence structure while calling something dumb. True art. One would be just as smart to take advice from someone so skilled.

@@Perry0823 Sounds like something i dont have to worry about. Considering i dont do cardio and i eat plenty of carbs so no starvation. If there are enough carbs in your system and fat, the body shouldnt really pull from proteins right?

@@Perry0823 yeah I agree. I am 80kg male. I eat about 100-120 g of protein everyday. I don't want to take too much though. So that's why I was curious. I think I'm at 1.5g/kg. So it should be fine no? I'm doing a bit of fat loss and muscle building. Going from 85kg to 70kg.

I build a tonne of muscle no matter my intake. I am an easy gainer

Data and consensus can change

.8-1g per pound of muscle which is also the same, except here she states 1.6g per KG of Bodyweight. The discussion with Schofield said the same thing as here.

No. Did you even watch the clip?

Fatty lol❤❤❤😂😂

Ideal.

Current

Curreal

Absolutely

not needed. you can get better results without it if you prefer to have a leaner but still muscular physicque.

Yeah I think you cut down on protein. And he should get about 110g of protein at that weight. Because it'll really help to cut down on the extra carbs and fat in the diet. Protein intake reduces hunger. He'll lose fat fairly easily and you can just adjust the protein intake.

The amount of protein intake is calculated from your IDEAL body weight, so it doesn't change if you loose or gain weight.

@@melisa_alaghom yes, people need to think lean body weight, not current weight if carrying extra fat

Subtract your body fat and it's only 114 grams of protein.

Goal weight when trying to cut, bodyweight when trying to bulk. You can only add 0.5-1lb muscle per week maximum, so it doesn't make sense if looking to gain muscle to base it on being heavier. Likewise, if someone is 300lbs, it doesn't make sense to take in protein based on that weight if they want to be 200lbs.

Your body produces Amino acid bro

Keto can be high protein.

@amichiganblackman3200 Nope. The very definition of keto is high fat, moderate protein and low carb. The very definition of Atkins is high protein, moderate fat and low carb.

Great lot of good it did for Robert Atkins

@Lieutenant-Dan I'm guessing once you do a little more research on exactly why he died you'll come back here and delete your comment lol.

@@keithzastrow "A medical examiner's report on the death of diet guru Dr. Robert Atkins suggests that he had a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension."

Not applicable to 'fat adapted' athletes on keto or carnivore diets. Carbohydrates are technically, completely non-essential to human survival. I am 10 months carnivore; the only macros i consume is fat and protein and have put on 6kgs lean muscle in 7 months weight training. When carbs are eliminated, the body switches over from a glucogenic metabolism to a ketogenic one. You draw your energy from fat not carbs which is more stable and far healthier from a metabolic health perspective. The liver produces all the glycogen it needs from glycerol backbones or even excess protein. I workout 5 days/week doing a PPL hitting between 16-20 sets per muscle group per week and do it in a fasted state in the morning. My workouts last up to 1.5 hours, no problems with lack of energy

​@@Dirk_van_Tonderthere is no such thing as a fat adapted athlete. Glycogen is stored directly in the muscle and doesn't have to be pulled from the bloodstream for fuel.

@@Hiberno_sperg That's strange, because Professor Tim Noakes has literally done studies on 'fat adapted' athletes. Said people are those on a ketogenic diet who do not eat carbs therefore the liver converts glycerol backbones from dietary fat into 'carbs' for muscle glycogen requirements. (I assume you know nothing about the keto metabolism)

@@Dirk_van_Tonder I don't give a damn what studies he's done. Glycogen is stored in the muscle and fat isn't. Keto is a diet cult same as veganism and the carnivore weirdos.

Per day.

Thanks 🙂

@@cameron6554 You're welcome!

1g per lb. was always bro science to keep the math easy. 1.6 per kilo is what the science actually says.

Its overkill… 1.6 will give you as much benefit as you’ll get give or take some genetic factors… but 1g per lb is overkill most certainly. There are a lot of videos on it with Renassaince periodisation who are experts in hypertrophy.

No, that's if you want to gain muscle. If you lift weights (that you do) and want to gain, you should do the 1gr per lb. If lifting weight 1.6 per lb is just to maintain muscle.

Everyone is different, both biochemically and in terms of objectives (goals). No formula will “work” unless you experiment with different levels and find out what actually works FOR YOU. Then, as you age or change things, it might (probably will) change again. These guidelines help you to understand the guardrails but will always fail to identify what YOU, the N=1 you, should do. It’s very difficult to control for things in real life, but if you keep track of protein input and target a particular level and see how it works, you’re getting there. Don’t be afraid to experiment with the top end (2.2 g/kg) but know it’s not for everyone. If you find a level that’s actionable (doable day-to-day) and allows you to grow or maintain lean muscle mass, then there you go. People who are looking for “the answer” without understanding how variable their particular needs might be are barking up the wrong 🌳. Lots of barking in the comments… 🐶

​@@thefootballpunneditit isn't overkill if you are cutting or on gear. You can even bump it up to about 1.2 grams per pound if you eat plenty of fibre and stay hydrated.

My favorite is whey protein isolate by Bulk Supplements. At 70, it is easier on the digestion system. I occasionally buy their grass-fed whey protein.

Eat meat and organs first as they promote proper digestion of protein. Supplement with batain hydrochloride if your stomach doesn’t produce enough acid as there are so any benefits ie fat and meat has all the amino acids you need.

Just get any whey protein without extra junk / fillers or vitamins. Just look for 100% whey protein. Shop for cost. Blend it with berries, oats, peanut butter, or anything that makes it delicious for you! Happy bulking 💪

Levels & Naked Grass-fed powder are the best🔥

She can't... because those lifespan studies show direct effect of calorie restriction on lifespan and healthspan... no extrapolation, no inferring, no generalizing, no jumping to conclusions...

What these people have isn't good science... they say, well if this... then... then... then... then... longer life for sure. They take 10 potentially related concepts, without a direct causal link between beginning and end, and come to a conclusion... ignoring any evidence that disagrees with them.

I think these facts can remain true at the same time. Maybe it boils down to prosperity vs longevity.

Simple. Her theory (like Peter Attia) is that calorie restriction and low protein input results in loss of lean muscle mass, which along with exercise (resistance) and stability, is critical to healthspan. The loss of muscle mass after, say, 40 or 50 leads to the inability to move, lift, recover, etc. and thus to quality of life. That is the theory. Studies don’t show or prove much of anything when it comes to true longevity issues, which take decades to realize and are very hard to maintain controls. My own input would be to speculate that at first, calorie restriction helps body composition by limiting fat even though muscle is also being lost. But at some point the unavoidable muscle loss as a result of constriction becomes its own movement-related problem, leading to downward spirals of other types. Regardless, being “sure” of ANYTHING (Longo or Patrick or whomever) is itself a sure sign of a problem understanding how complex all of this is in real life. Just my two cents. 😅

What weight are you?

175 lbs is about 80 kg so anywhere in the range of 96 to 128 grams of protein a day would put you in the 1.2-1.6 g/kg range.

Bro google it 🤦‍♂️

I find it interesting that doctors and influencers want to talk about specific relationships of macro and micro nutrients as if they exist only in singularity but when applied in the human body, they act different in unison. For example, it is a pretty well established connection that higher animal protein has higher amounts of amino acids that can also trigger certain spikes due to high loosen other amino acids, which can lead to certain cancers not to say animal protein will cause cancer, but in excess in animal protein can cause, a significant spike in certain amino acids. Also more animal base protein will significantly contribute more saturated fat, which will then contribute a higher coronary and all mortality risk

It was never said or proven that animal protein causes cancer only a correlation

Contractile tissue, yes. Estimate your bodyfat percentage and add it to the calculation if you want a more precise number.

@@Cas_anova apologies for my ignorance I'm not quite understanding what you mean. Maybe I should be more clear myself... So when Dr. Patrick talks about how much protein per gram of bodyweight you need... Does she mean 'lean' bodyweight? Example if someone weighs 72kg but their lean bodyweight is 62kg... Are you then using the 62kg in your calculations to calculate how many grams of protein you need to eat per day?

@@trevr1969yes, generally the recommendation is for lean or even ideal body weight. Take your total weight, subtract your body fat (total weight x % body fat) and that should equal fat free mass. Multiply that by 1.2-1.6g/kg depending on activity level. Then remember to treat this number as a minimum protein requirement. Over is fine. Under is not.

Exactly…..if you weighed 500 pounds and 100 of that was lean mass, you’d be targeting 160g protein per day, not 800g……

That's correct. About the equivalent of 1lb of steak.

Based on the last name I'm guessing at least partially Irish too haha

That's what she says as well

I am with you there - and you need to stay avtive - much more important than protein

Lol

If you are eating meat and taking whey after your workout you really don't need to worry about that. If you are vegan supplement leucine and if you have herpes supplement lysine. That's about it.

@@Hiberno_sperg until your brand get pulled for mercury, id rather buy some arginine, methionine, tryptophan , phenylalanine, lysine, bcaas... understand they all have a different purpose and know just how much to take, but ya whey all day

This is the correct diet.

Not American diet veggies, but Indian diets have lots more than meats.

​@@emmanuelgutierrez8616lentils and chickpeas are no substitute for meat and dairy

Pretty much. And that's just maintenance protein. You'll need more than that to gain muscle.

@@isiah6189 thanks 🤙🏾

Yep that's pretty easy to get.

Its not a lot ...100 grams of chicken breast is less than a whole chicken breast ... chicken having average 30 pc protien the rest being water etc. 330 grams of chicken breast is 100 grams of protien. So it deepends on you body weight then and also your body composition. If you're a big muscly guy who wants to keep the muscles then you need more but if youre a fat bottomed woman you dont need as much because your actual muscle mass moght be wuite small. So for a normal sized person. So if youre ten stone thats 100grams of protien ..330 grams of chicken is a small packet of two chicken breasts. Or a small packet of tenders. A kilo of chicken breast is about 8 dollars so thats 3 days worth of protien for somone ten stone ...and youre also getting it from other sources like yoghurt potatoes tofu whatever else you eat that has protein in it. I don't think that is a lot ... if you went for steak it qould be more like 20 a kilo but its also a bit higher in protien. If you're hugely overweight like 20 stone then it would cost you more but if most of that is just flab i dont think youd need as much ..and theres no point getting much more than you need. I mean it really depends on how expensive you buy your meat and just like anything if you want to have a good house ir a good car or a good meal its going to cost you money. If you want to get your protien through rice and lentils cos you sre poor then you should probably become leaner so youre not feeding a 20 stone body that you cant afford. Just like you shouldn't have a big suv if youre poor.

Yeah. Bodybuilders have been saying this for years and everyone ignored them

You don’t have to apolagise for being wrong. If you’re willing to be driven by data and you find new data and change your opinion, you shouldn’t be apologetic about that. You don’t owe apologies for refining your take on things in light of new evidence.

@@thefootballpunnedit 5 years ago she claimed certain things were dangerous without any solid proof or evidence. That’s not refining your stance. That’s making erroneous claims based on opinions. People do not need to apologize for being open minded or changing their opinions as they acquire new data. But for making erroneous claims without merit or data to support them, people DO need to apologize because it’s irresponsible.

​@@thefootballpunneditdietary "scientists" chastised bodybuilders for years for having basically this exact same stance. Same with eggs I've been eating 4 every morning with bacon since I've been 20. I'm 37 now, still shredded, still perfect bloodwork and my Doctor friend is still arguing with me that it will wreck my cholesterol. He's a fat vegetarian btw.

Steroids

Thanks to freakin Joe

@@user-it3lx1mi9m If you think a president is single handedly responsible for an economy you have a lot more reading to do.

Yep... totally ruined economy and runaway inflation in less than 3 years. I gotta learn how to read.​@@NavAK_86

Didn’t she say 1.2 g per kilogram? Not pound

@@vickilahtinen7254is correct, that’s kilograms not pounds. So a lot less expensive than you were bracing for

Protein doesn't make you retain water. Carbs do. Were you eating lentils and chickpeas by any chance?

That's if you were getting protein solely from powder...for most people 1.2 is plenty.

??

The world uses "Grams" and "kilos"

welcome to the metric system 😅 The all world is using it except for 3 countries 😅

I grew up with Kilograms.. Milligrams. . Kilometres Each Country Is Different! 🎉

Her audience is one of those 3 countries. I don't care what other countries use!

Indeed, that is what I have heard. I avoid eating meat. I have been vegetarian for 40 years and still surviving running and gym 7 days/week

Because scientific studies are always conducted using the metric system.

She said per kilogram so it's 0.7 × 215 = 150 grams. Ronnie Coleman 8 time Mr Olympia said he take over 600 grams a day.

@@mariopavkovich4363 This is silly because the human body can't even digest more than 30-40 grams of protein in one sitting. 322 grams of protein means you need to have 6+ meals a day which is not sustainable.

You’ve heard bro science. Nobody cares all the various things that people have heard. Just because you heard it doesn’t make it true. The science says 1.6g per kilo.

If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he was under medical supervision and was given nutritional supplements & IVs. None of the reports I've seen on him say which supplements he took.

@@dianadeejarvis7074 Apparently he simply took a multi-vitamin. Makes you wonder what adipose tissue stores, other than fatty acids. Minerals? Vitamins? Amino acids? I think fat maybe a grocery store of energy and essential amino and fatty acids, plus vitamins. Wouldn't that be something?

Science in general uses the metric system to keep a worldwide standard

Europe here - yeah, science!

No.

So well said.

It also contradicts the findings she discussed with Dr. Schonfeld who said there was no difference in untrained and trained individuals in building muscle when they went over 0.8-1 gram of protein per lb of body weight.

She will out perform and out live all of you grass eaters

Yes the recent guidelines demonstrated this clearly. Swapping animal meats to plant based protein is much better. 🙌

Yes, but to also be clear. Recent well designed studies show that they don’t CAUSE kidney problems.

To be more clear. 1 in 10 people have chronic kidney issues. That's a pretty big gamble when saying hyperfiltration isn't a problem with animal protein.

What are heavy proteins? Does animal protein weigh more than plant protein?

@@peterreynolds5788 I think the author was saying heavy in terms of it takes a lot for your kidneys to filter out those types of proteins from animal sources.

"Most americans are just fine" 😂😂 got to be the wildest comment ever 🍔🍕🌭🍟🥤

@@natureboy1711 why? the dietary guidelines committee reached exactly the same conclusion when it came to protein..the average consumption is exactly at recommended amounts. That is what i was commenting on not the overall diet.

America is the most obese country in the world thats what im commenting on

Gotta watch out for Big Meat

@@alexmcclure6545 that's what she said

Why?

@@tomaspaulo did you watch ?

Yeah, I understood that she is just talking about optimal intake of protein for better aging, not promoting meat

Link to the study?

What research are you citing?

Longest living people currently are high meat diet eaters. Hong Kong

@@kristianflores7747 Haven't you heard of the blue zones? You ketobros can't just make shit up.

I kind of agree I think that all the people that live in all the Blue zones that Dan buechner has been doing all these studies on don't eat meat and they don't emphasize protein and they live the longest in life.. they're just active in there everyday life and they extremely healthy lots of vegetables healthy fats beans

Grow some brain so can do the math yourself.

Womp womp

Her audience is the world, least you can do is not by whiny but be grateful she's taking the time to provide the results of her hard work researching this stuff and just google the conversion, it's not hard, the rest of the world has been forced to do it all the time when we are constantly faced with the US's goofy measurement system.

Learn to use a calculator

Hahahahahaha the day those three countries come over to metric units. The better it’ll be for you.

Those are incomplete proteins and you have to ensure you eat all of those types daily to ensure you get enough. The best sources of amino acids are found in animal proteins such as beef, poultry and eggs. Animal proteins are the most easily absorbed and used by your body.

@@keithzastrow you don’t need to eat “complete proteins” as long as you are eating a variety of plants. Of course industry will tell you to guzzle down meat and dairy.

Yes so true and not spoken about.

Did you checked your blood?

Wow. Thanks.i am veg since 15yrs.age 41

I notice you listen to Andrew Huberman who is a longevity expert. You sound like a hypocrite.

Why don’t you focus on what you believe in and let her focus on what she is interested in

Why did you watch the video then? Just to bitch meaninglessly and be an annoyance to others?

If you are too stupid to multiply by 2.2 that's a problem for you and the American education system. Not her.

She didn’t say to take “too much”

Where's your sources? I was watching Dr Stanfield who cited a paper showing zero negative effect on kidneys. My protein intake for the last 6 months has been 1.6g/kg be and I've just had my blood tests come back with normal kidney levels.

@@santosvella I think she said 1.2 g per pound. Yours is 1.6 g per kg so it’s way under that. Hence the normal results. Also, you probably spread it throughout the day.

@@Saracen101 @5:38 she says 1.6g per kg, which is what i was referring to. I can't find where she says 1.2g per lb. What timestamp is that?

She says kilograms not pounds so I guess you concede that your original comment is incorrect and we’re all on the same page here?