For some reason, even though I've never played a miracle card(yet. I have a deck that I just haven't played) I do this exact same thing.

I realize now I do this subconsciously for the same reason. I also started playing in Innistrad.

Yeah, I've got a lot of admiration for really obtuse control decks that upend the way you think about the game like that. Lantern Control is so wild.

I actually changed the title because of that moment. From the most iconic to “one of” haha

@@distractionmakers Do a video on that! It was a pinnacle of Magic being fun to watch! Craig even flips over the top card so everyone see it at the same time! Craig jumps up and down, Olivier slouches, this was game 5, Craig is through to the Finals!!! The next most iconic moment is Nassif vs Chaplin Worlds 2007 Top 8 Semifinal. They’re both playing Dragonstorm Combo, and it’s an exhilarating match!

The only true say to play.

Haha that’s incredible

There's also Grave Lure that flips the top card of opponent's deck face-up, then make them shuffle the deck (the card stays face-up). The payoff is way worse even than Paracide - when opponent draws that card, they have to send it to the graveyard. There's also a reverse of this effect in Pharaoh's Treasure that make you do the same and when you draw the card you send it to the grave and add 1 card from your grave to the hand.

We did it!

Cube is my favorite format. It's so great.

Sounds good.

Dredge says hello

The black drain 3 spell when it it milled. What was it's name again? Chilling something? Creeping Chill!

MTG Arena is trying thos with their Alchemy format

Is that different from how Runeterra or Eternal do that?

@@Soumein dunno, I played hexx, hadn't gotten to those yet. Or looked into who developed what first.

I actually have a Booby Trap Commander deck, now that I know more of the miracle cards I'll have to use it against Gavin next time he plays his Miracle deck.

And storm is somehow more printable?

​@@freddiesimmons1394you got new storm cards for modern after the storm scale got introduced (e.g. Chatterstorm), but not miracles for modern

@@freddiesimmons1394 I think a bit yes.. Storm may result in broken decks and all - but miracle is kinda inherently problematic.. Say you'd draft a a miracle card and kinda forgot hawing it in deck -- not actually forgot but it just slipped your mind .. and you drew it and put it in hand - then you cast it for miracle cost - but opponent thinks you might be cheating and you had the miracle card already in hand and drew something else.. Now how do you prove you actually drew the miracle card? And if you do always keep the last drawn card separate -- you are kind of telling the opponent that you have miracle cards in the deck.. Now if you're playing to win you should not do that - why give that information? Or if you don't - you might bluff by doing it anyway -- the mere existence of miracle cards in format would affect play patterns and be kinda annoying.. Storm - does not quite have that kind of problems.

Then the scale could be explained as how much of a miracle would it be to see the mechanic

It was never made. MARO pitched the idea and it never made it to print. He talks about it in his drive to work podcast.

If they didn't intend for us to break it, they wouldn't have given us all the cards to break it with.

I have noticed in some casual videos Andrea Menguci, Thoralf Severin, Jim Davis and Brian Kibler for each of their draws place their hand on the table, draw their card, look at it, then pick back up their hand, add the drawn card to their hand and then proceed with their turn. They were not playing Miracle decks, so the etiquette exists and it is practiced among pro players.

@@NicholasBalanta Not just pro-players at games, but pros at life! 🤘 #respect

I guess those were the good ol’ days now.

Iiineteresting. It is design space we have seen a little glimpse of before with narcomoeba.

I don't play Magic online, but I believe the game will pause at any moment when the opponent has priority. I'd imagine that a digital analogue of Miracle would allow you to, if it's your turn, cast it as long as you have not done any action. It's still gonna be clunky though. You're supposed to draw cards one by one, so if you play a spell that lets you draw 3 cards, and the Miracle card is first, I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to look at the other 2 cards before casting it, which definitely would be weird even digitally. Also, if you draw it during your opponent's turn, I'm not sure how the priority system works but there's probably gonna be some situation where you typically don't have priority after drawing a card. Someone who actually plays Magic online, how do they actually make Miracle work? Though of course, you don't need to make it a one-to-one recreation of Miracle if you know from the very start that it's meant for a digital game.

From what I've seen, both MTGO and Arena have ways to always take priority, and then various ways to auto pass (when you have no legal actions, until end of turn, through unusual steps). People can still try to priority check to guess if the opponent has some response, but if you obsess enough, the impact of that is reduced. Online Mahjong usually has some kind of 鳴きなし or no call option, but doesn't have any equivalent to stops or "full control" to bluff options. Since you can't disable specific calls, there will be information that doesn't have to exist irl whenever you want to call some of your options. This is mitigated by false pauses from network lag (or perhaps intentionally by the server), but of course that's not perfect.

MTGO by default prompts you to ask whether you'd like to do anything every time you have priority, regardless of whether you have anything you can play. It's the equivalent of always bluffing that you have something. It's up to the player to tell the game that they don't want to do anything. This is the opposite of most of the more casual-friendly digital card games, where the game only stops if you can play something, and you have to manually tell it to stop when you have nothing if you want to bluff. To avoid turns taking too long, there are a bunch of hotkeys for "pass without playing anything until it's my turn", "pass unless opponent plays something", "pass until opponent's end step", "allow all triggered abilities of this type to resolve but still stop on anything else", etc. Your opponent will be able to tell that you're passing everything, though, since all their actions will resolve immediately, so you have to be careful. Alternatively, you can just be quick with the "pass once" key, although you'll often need to press it 10+ times per turn. This system takes a little while to get used to, but it gives you full control. Since the match time limit is on a chess clock system, there's a strong incentive to play quickly. If you draw a Miracle for your first card in a turn, the game stops right then to ask you whether you'd like to play it. Obviously, this makes it pretty obvious to your opponent that you drew a Miracle, so there's actually a specific setting little-used setting in the client to enable "Miracle bluffing", which causes the game to stop and wait for you to hit the "ok" key every time you draw your first card in a turn (even though you can't do anything during this stop). It's only useful if you're playing a Miracle deck, and there's no reason to have it enabled if you aren't playing one. I suppose the disadvantage to this would be that if your opponent pays attention and notices that you have this setting enabled, they can be pretty sure that you're playing a Miracle deck even before they've seen any of your cards. You can turn the setting on or off in the middle of a game, but you have to go through a couple of menus.

@@MeFigaYoma ah that's cool. a lot more rigid than playing in person, but giving players all the options is great. the chess clock timer sounds like a good addition too.

Should be "you MAY reveal It. If you do, you MAY cast It for its miracle cost this turn.

You can't enforce a required reveal very well. Players want to not show what cards they're drawing, and later on they can claim an unrevealed miracle was in their opener or off a draw spell. You'd need a judge watching every draw step.

I will say tho, shuffling negative autoplay cards into the opponents deck did build interesting tension. Knowing each card you draw is potentially one step closer to you blowing up was a unique bit of excitement I havent had in other card games. And it lead to spectacular twitch clips like ppl drawing 4 bombs in a row or whatever lol

This is exactly the way Miracle should work, and I'm amazed they didn't write it this way originally, especially if they had tried and failed to implement a similar mechanic in the past. It's not really even very clunky; usually if you draw a miracle you're excited and want to show it off anyway, and the number of things an opponent can do in response to you revealing it is pretty low, since it'll usually be during your turn anyway. At worst, they know they need to not counter the thing you were planning to cast just to bait out their counterspell before you cast your miracle, anyway, and sometimes you can even use that against them: Cast the miracle first, and they have to wonder "do I counter the miracle I KNoW he has, or whatever is in his hand?" It really wouldn't make the mechanic worse in any appreciable way.

Spien?

Skill issue

Wait, so we're not supposed to act like YuGiOh every time we draw a card?!? /s

I act like this every card draw. I'm hilarious and everybody in my pod loves it when I do this. We're all acoustic and on Spectrum Internet.

Duro! MIRACADO!!!

>Feels like yugioh "Its fuckin terrible and I hate it"- this guy, 20XX