This Multiplus II is not what I've ordered. But I keep the free upgrade, right?!

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This Multiplus II is not what I've ordered. But I keep the free upgrade, right?!

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The inverter upgrade is one of the many changes we have to make with the battery shelf coming online soon. The existing 3kVA inverter is not enough to deliver all the energy from our 45kWh battery.
I wanted to upgrade to a Victron Phoenix inverter which we can parallel later to increase the power output. Springers Solar didn't haven one in stock and send the Multiplus II as a free upgrade. The Multi has some really cool features which I cannot use right now. Should I keep it anyway?
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@SuperRockmonkey 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely keep it! In fact, keep the MP2, sell off the old inverter and put the $$ towards a 2nd MP2 and enjoy have 10Kva at your disposal. You’ll need it down the track. If you install x2 inverters now you won’t need to change your wiring in the future

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@imval_tech 2 жыл бұрын

Great inverter. You can actually daisy chain the Multiplus II after the Phoenix. Connect the Phoenix on the input of the Multiplus II and the Multiplus II will be able to supplement the power if the Phoenix doesn't have enough capacity.

@dennis_m 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the free upgrade Andy! Looking forward to "experience sharing" of the new inverter. Those features sound very similar to the MPP Solar/voltronic power infinisolar V2 hybrid inverter, but it has solar charge controller and grid tie feed in the inverter itself along with all the usual features like AC charger, parallel, communication at a fraction of the victron price. I don't know how they do it. Anyways that inverter won't satisfy local requirements for grid tie I guess, but still worth a mention.

@rvprepperwayne 2 жыл бұрын

Andy, As a Solar installer I can tell you the MP2 is a very robust unit. However it does have a flaw that I don't like. The A/C input is a push style connector and not a screw type. Using a ferrule on the end of the wire does help inserting the wire but it don't crush to give you a full wire contact. Bare wire is harder to insert. But has a much better contact area. I wish they would of used the screw style terminal on the MP2 like they did on other models.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Mine has screws, I'm sure. Maybe they have changed that at some stage... I'll pay attention to it again when I have the cover open.

@longdistancerider691 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia mine too has screws

@BobHannent 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the Multi Plus, if you can't spend out initially just split the loads across the inverters and then later you can sell the Phoenix to buy the next MultiPlus. Or perhaps see if the supplier would be willing to do a trade-in on the Phoenix now to upgrade your system sooner rather than later?

@samgorfine6679 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Andy, Keep the multiplus I have been using one for a few years and it has options that you don't even know you need until one day you want to try something and then you realise that all you have to do is enable it. it has saved me buying additional equipment so many times.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Good to know!

@twsconsulting 2 жыл бұрын

Like many people say. Two is one and one is none. It is better to have a spare inverter in case of problem. Maybe one for the garage ant the other por the house. Specially when your on track ends and you try to run the house of grid. Nice work Andy. I learn a lot with you.

@basilkatakuzinos659 2 жыл бұрын

Thats the same device i have running my entire house here in South Africa, great piece of kit

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Is it connected to the grid as well or completely off-grid?

@jamesmason7124 2 жыл бұрын

Hello from the high desert of New Mexico USA 🇺🇸. Hi Andy I'm glad to hear about the free upgrade. I would say, keep the Multiplus 2 and see if Springers will take in your old inverter as trade credit for a second Multiplus 2. Keep up the good work and stay safe and charged. May God bless you and your family

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you James. All the best to NM! Stay safe.

@Tomthetoolman100 2 жыл бұрын

Do it right the first time. Keeping the multiples saves a lot of headache later on

@jamess1787 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it, you'll want it for the grid-tie. Sell your phoenix later and upgrade to 2x multi-pluses. You won't regret it. (More is always better!!!)

@stephm9384 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Andy, Just a quick message from a french frog. I subscribed to your channel last month and I wanted to thank you for sharing so much. You made me triggering the decision of starting a ESS project for my house. And - guess what - the device I ordered and received a couple of days ago is a Multiplus II 5KvA ! I would love to share my experience with you as well. Thanks again so much.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Stéph. That is great feedback and I really appreciate it. Woohoo, go team blue. I really like the Victron gear. It's more expensive, but the features and quality is outstanding. Thank you and all the greetings to France!

@bbrown_sc 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it. We'll all look forward to your expert content for this device.

@65bigfalconable 2 жыл бұрын

Stick to the plan mate... don't get sidetracked by new shiny toys, but in saying that, sounds like it will be a sweet setup if you can hook it up to the house system to change your batteries 🔋 👍

@solargarage 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome upgrade, seems a lot like the Outback Radian inverter that we run here. It is a 8KW inverter that is made up of 2 4KW modules. Using split phase 240V here.

@krilledellis 2 жыл бұрын

Use the 3kw as grid and the 5 kw as second that can work if the multi + can limit ac current from you 3kw

@jamess1787 2 жыл бұрын

He can't yet or he loses his "sell contract".

@krilledellis 2 жыл бұрын

I mean 3kw inverter to play as grid in the multi plus

@krilledellis 2 жыл бұрын

And get 8 kw

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Krille. That's a good idea and an amazing project to come.

@joetynan5985 2 жыл бұрын

Andy, my suggestion is to keep it. And maybe Victron should donate a second multiplus II ( it would allow you to create a master/slave arrangement, more complex wiring diagrams, trial your domestic installation, etc ). Your content on batteries is amazing and I'm willing to bet the content on the inverters/ grid charge controller ( multiplus ) would be considerably better than Victrons. Keep up the good work!

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe. I probably piggyback the Multiplus from the Phoenix inverter as others have suggested. That will be a very interesting project.

@thedabbler2753 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it. As for others that do it, I believe the Sol-Ark / Sunsynk / Deye 8/12/15kw (which are regional rebrands with minor changes) can do these things the Multiplus 2 can. Good video!

@No3Snow Жыл бұрын

This video age'd well, Recently found your youtube channel and I've watched these videos backwards

@terry2833 2 жыл бұрын

Hi mate great upgrade I have Multiplus2 3000 inverter in my Amarok canopy and love it.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Good to hear! Thank you.

@rklauco 2 жыл бұрын

I love the new Victron! That's exactly what I'd like to see, including the parallelization option. Would be great if you buy another one and show the parallelization. Btw, just now I found your link to the victron dashboard, it's amazing how much data you are providing there. Thanks a lot!

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Robert. In the first step I will use the old inverter as the AC input to the Multi and see how this goes. But yeah, later down the track we will have multiple Multis 😉

@nigelcharles511 2 жыл бұрын

You could use the Phoenix inverter to create a mobile power Although you have solar close to your house a mobile source with more power and capacity than a Bluetti might prove useful. I have used a Multi plus with 29.5kwh battery in a small camping trailer to do this. I am in the process of building a second one so that energy can be moved and is always available much like having two batteries in a cordless drill. This is important to me as my solar array is about 1.5km away from my house.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

I still have the XIIJA inverter as well. It is much smaller but has also 3kW. I safe this for the lawn mower once it's converted to run the electric chainsaw or the mulcher off it...

@todamnbad 2 жыл бұрын

I will take it if you don't want it

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, I believe you!

@mrjones2009 2 жыл бұрын

I’m so impressed off grid garage has become one of the most watchable videos just seem to relate makes sense to hookup a community project can’t wait I’m well excited get the whole town together with free energy love it you will always be professional Andy I love that people are sending you beers next it will the amazing out there dinners dude you’re on a winner!!!

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks so much for your kind words and feedback.

@nsikanakpan7442 2 жыл бұрын

I love the Victron Multiplus II. I believe the phenix inverter can be used for another project or sold off, so that leaves you with some funds to get a new Multiplus II for increased power output through paralleling. Have a great week

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nsikan. Or, as other commented, I can use the smaller inverter as the input for the Multiplus... Let's see if this works.

@nsikanakpan7442 2 жыл бұрын

I am eagerly looking forward to that.

@onthelake9554 2 жыл бұрын

Use the Phoenix for the car charger circuit and the new one for everything else.

@cuisinartOH1 2 жыл бұрын

This is what I was thinking as well.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, something like this...

@FutureSystem738 2 жыл бұрын

Finally catching up on videos I have missed. Awesome Andy 👍👍

@dl1oli 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it. Even if you dont need the additional Features now, maybee they come handy in the future.

@BischesseHunting 2 жыл бұрын

I think a have the Same model. Please keep it for my learning curve to go higher

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, great reason to keep it😂

@pmacgowan 2 жыл бұрын

I think you should keep it, even if you don't use the extra features, it will give you a lot of future options if you ever want to completely disconnect from the grid. You could then sell the phoenix

@cuanblane43 2 жыл бұрын

Victrons "smart" demarcation I believe refers to whether the device has built in Bluetooth or not, that's it. If you're running every device to a GX monitoring unit then there's no need to buy the "smart" versions of the devices

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's correct, I still like the alternative way to connect via BT to a specific device. In case your GX is not working you would need to hook up a laptop and a VE.direct cable to the device to control it.

@electricandlspower 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the upgrade. Sounds like it might be nice to have the options later.

@romandmytrenko7771 2 жыл бұрын

“Smart” means that device has a Bluetooth support. It’s general pattern for all Victron Energy products

@wayne8113 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andy

@Glamsland 2 жыл бұрын

Hello from Norway! I just want to thank you for all the fantastic videos! Realy informative and educating. Always starting with a smile, and happy face! Thanks. I have now started my own jurney towards offgrid cabin up in the Nowegian forrest.. i use li-ion ev (bmw) batteries, 4.7v/cell ,- 24v -300amp. Now installing the Qucc 200a bms. And 24v/3000w inverter. Fantastic to follow you on your testing and learning prosess, we all learn something! Thanks. Runar.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your comment and kind words. I try my best to keep you all educated and entertained. It always great to read from others and that my videos actually make a difference and encourage others to do their own projects. Thank you very much again, Runar.

@janosvarga962 2 жыл бұрын

I remember in the begining before the 3k i ask why not go w 5k so "I told you so!" :D

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I know... many people have questioned that. 3kVA is workable for what I use the system for as I can shift loads so they don't run at the same time. But now with the larger battery coming online soon, I want to see how far I can get with a larger inverter. And the Multiplus may be capable to use the smaller inverter as its input AC power so we can piggyback them. That would be an interesting project.

@grantc8436 2 жыл бұрын

Battery 3.0 - are we talking Megawatt hours Andy? ⚡⚡

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, I have enough space in the garage.

@franssiep 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Andy, I would keep the upgrade. Building my ESS around this Inverter/charger. Possibility's are endless with this one. As soon as your contract ends, you could hook this one up the grid, when energy intake is low. And that for the Phoenix price, not bad.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you Frans.

@SparkyJames 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it they are great

@Jack-le7vk 2 жыл бұрын

I reckon either keep the Phoenix 3000 and use it as a dedicated Tesla charger, or sell it to help fund a second MP2, but definitely keep the MP2. Free upgrades are always welcomed

@kleinduimpje8 Жыл бұрын

You are giving me the information i need for my project. I want to connect a 230volt output solar system (Only works if there is a 230volt "input") to the input of the multiplus. And you confirm this wil work because the multiplus creates a own 230v field in the multiplus. Thanks you for thus critical information. I already have a 3000whatss inverter, so iam need to think if iam going to keep this. Or sell it and buy a bigger multiplus converter... thank you sir!!

@reinholdu9909 2 жыл бұрын

*NOBRAINER* ... It's the best ... _Off-Grid Garage_ NEEDS z'Best, the MultiPlus II 👍 👍👍 I'm sure some of your compatriots are happy it's already in AUS

@sarelwagner1099 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it, I run a Quattro and a Fronius in in a Micro grid, its awsome

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Ah great. The Quattro does the same thing and throttles the Fronius down once the battery is full.

@sarelwagner1099 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia Yes indeed, the frequency control works great. ESS needs to be enabled on the Multi. Even tho Victron does not recommend ESS for off grid, it works 💯

@DubStepAnonymouse 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@1981dasimpson 2 жыл бұрын

i like the idea of a built in charger just incase they is really bad weather one could use a generator

@lyfandeth 2 жыл бұрын

Make Springer a polite offer, in person, to trade in your old Victron for a twin of the new one. You'll have a hot spare, and only only one set of instructions and connections to memorize. While they are being generous...see if you can invest in the future, and the simplicity of having just one box to remember.

@davidpenfold 2 жыл бұрын

I think the SMA Sunny Island 8 has similar features (if you stick to their brand solar inverters, home manager etc).

@HiltonT69 2 жыл бұрын

Take the win. :)

@1978jra 2 жыл бұрын

Can you install old inverter as "generator" to multiplus? So not paralleling them but serialising them? 3kW unit makes power when there is no big loads and multiplus kicks in when there is. I have no idea is this possible, but it would allow using both inverters.

@svens.5588 2 жыл бұрын

Thats what i also thought first

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's what others have suggested, so we will give this a go...

@1978jra 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia Cool!

@DubStepAnonymouse 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Andy, I always wondered If you were familiar with the sma sunny island inverters. Mate, you need a forklift to handle the si6.0 @ a whopping 60kg! They are built like German tank! (ip65) They do everything you just described your multi does. I have two si6.0' ready to fire up soon, off grid, coupled with some sma sunny boys (also German tanks!) The sunny islands are complex and I only have my learner licence so should be fun. I'm super happy you got a new inverter with all the same features as the Islands cos I know I'm going to learn even more from you now 😁 seriously, you and your vids are the best!

@robertkosovich1232 2 жыл бұрын

17....................YEARS.........?????.........YAY!!!!!!!!!! see ya on the next one, thanks!

@waardom 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Andy, great video! Maybe you need to upgrade your member count also ;-) it’s going up.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yeah, I know. I keep it for a while maybe until 27435 or something 😄

@waardom 2 жыл бұрын

Next project… digital member counter in the off grid garage.

@defjamsgreen 2 жыл бұрын

Stick to your plans . You are the only person that can make that decision . Andy knows best .

@jamhough22 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the old one as redundancy or for your own experiments, later on down the line, change it for another multi plus II, you can then parallel them and more if needed in the further future.

@josk5389 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the Multiplus 2. With it you can add PV Panels with Micro invertes. So everywhere you‘ve got power and want solar just add 1-4 panels with a microinverter. The microinverter must sense power frequenzy und if it goes above 50.2 Hz the inverter must start to reduce output. Obove 51.5 Hz at 50% reduced output they must shut down. The norm that sets this is the VDE-AR-N 4105 in Germany.

@andrewradford3953 2 жыл бұрын

That's a nice simple solution. I wonder if much efficiency is lost when charging from external micro inverter AC opposed to local DC?

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

I heard this from Jens (Meine Energiewende). He told me that his Micro Inverter shut down once his Multis will increase the frequency. That's an interesting feature. You still need to watch the 1.0 rule for the Victron Multi in doing this.

@boomermatic6035 2 жыл бұрын

you could use the extra inverter in the off-grid shed.

@servisfibris6679 2 жыл бұрын

AAAA Andy 14:00 minute: Yes you can feed 5000VA Multi with 3000VA Phoenix to have 8000VA. The 3000VA Phoenix is just 3000VA "non-gasoline" generator. Put it on input (L1-in) and then use transfer switch and power assist of 5000VA Multi with set up to to 2x power assist and that input is capable only 10A ;) Just don't couple it with AC/coupled solar, because Multi will think that there is grid power and push it out. But! There is also a possibility to use current measurement inside or external and set multi to not export to grid (keep amps on 0 on that current measuremet) and then there is some possible way to even keep ac coupled solar, two inverters and not pay for another 5000VA Multi..

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

That is a fantastic idea!!! Will this work or just making a lot of magic smoke and a brilliant video? I can set the multi to zero export with a meter or current sensor as you said. But yeah, for the next few years I won't be connecting the AC solar. It needs to feed in 😉

@servisfibris6679 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia DC and AC are isolated on both devices to my knowledge, so there should be no smoke.. You can't connect them in PARALEL as they can not sync, even different models of Multi can't be operated in PARALEL. But serializing them is possible :) There is also a small problem - you can not use whole capacity of inverter as they can provide overload currents for few seconds. This is not possible as you set fixed current on input. But longterm inverting is possible. Another thing that you may take into account is that when Phoenix is overheated, it will provide less AC current, so if you set 10A on input of Multi+ and you have Phoenix over 40°C it will shut down - this can be another reason to not fully use 10A capacity of your Phoenix..

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

@@servisfibris6679 great, thank you. I was thinking about the limited output of the Phoenix dependent on the temperature, so I have to set it to a safe number or change it between summer and winter. Thanks again.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

@@servisfibris6679 Yep, the limitations of paralleling these inverters are well known. I have posted a question in the Victron Community page to se if I get any responses in regards to that: community.victronenergy.com/questions/115103/output-of-phoenix-smart-inverter-feeds-ac-input-of.html

@bishwagit 2 жыл бұрын

Well short description... Can we program this Victron multiplus II as below situations all in togather... 1) When ever the load in more (> 15Ah in AC out put), it will take the help from grid for the additional load ( Total load 26Ah, 15Ah from battery & rest from grid) 2) Battery charge function off always from grid 3) If battery voltage drop below from defined voltage (like 48V DC), it will continue the load from Grid 4) If the battery charge state is > 50%, it will fully use battery only for load for Grid available and not available condition

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Biswajit. 1) Yes, that is possible. The Multi always uses solar and battery power first as much as possible before using any power from the grid. 2) the internal charging function can be completely disabled 3) Yes, that also a standard feature. If the battery is low it uses solar and grid power to power your load. 4) It will use solar and battery power as much and long as possible and only uses the grid if there is not enough power to supply your load.

@BeeBeorn 2 жыл бұрын

Keep both. The "smart" can be used for poolpump as a non essential seperate nanogrid. I Belive in having seperate smaller, prioritized systems instead of One. If the One fails, all is out.

@Sylvan_dB 2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like they intentionally chose to give you the upgrade for free (not by mistake). Definitely keep it! I bet you can hook it to the 3kw to use them together...

@andrewradford3953 2 жыл бұрын

They are a really good company, and Andy is a totally nice guy.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

I asked with other companies as well and the Phoenix inverter was on backorder everywhere, so I guess, the Multi is the way to go...

@alaindesjarlais5482 2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes, they prefer ship what they have readily available. Just check with them. This way if there is a warranty issue you will not be ashamed to ask for support!

@davidmarron109 2 жыл бұрын

Just getting into home power storage / PV / LFP. The MP2's looked great until I realised they don't have MPPT built-in like some of the Growatts/Sol Arks/ etc. I've been following your journey and really enjoying it. Keen to learn more. I'm in Brissie - Manly/Wynnum suburbs...

@wayneferguson1520 2 жыл бұрын

New battery, new ideas new inverter....

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

and not enough time to film and edit everything.

@dirkityourself 2 жыл бұрын

Andy, I've been running exactly the same device since last Thursday. And one or the other setting on my device is not yet optimal. I clearly need your expertise. Therefore, you are not allowed to give up the multi again. :) Greetings from the alte Heimat.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It will be hanging on the wall soon and we do some proper testing then 😉

@dirkityourself 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia That's great - I'm looking forward to it

@nekotherion7317 2 жыл бұрын

Use the phoenix in a go-rack/dolly for power :)

@john_in_phoenix 2 жыл бұрын

I think people are more likely to want a Multiplus, even if you don't need the extra features. In otherwords, there is a bigger audience that wants to see you implement a system using this.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely. The Multiplus is the way to go and I think this is the reason there is a shortage for the Phoenix inverters, Victron wants to push the Multi. It would make sense to have only one device instead of several ( Multi, Phoenix and Quattro).

@henvan8737 2 жыл бұрын

The Tesla Powerwall 2 does the same trick in shifting its generated power mains frequency to control a grid connected inverter.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't know that... It's a cool feature

@offgridd 2 жыл бұрын

Just mounted my MP2 48 5000/70 , what a beast!. Included a Cerbo lus smartshunt and will connect a smartsolar 250/100, 250/70 and 150/30 in order to run on batteries during the summer. Victron is LEGO for nerds LOL.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, great analogy.

@nicholaskeur 2 жыл бұрын

Smart in "victron" language only means bluetooth enabled

@hannesmagnusson4366 2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, Victron SMART only means that they compatible with the victron app.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Seems that they have Bluetooth, that's all.

@struc5810 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the MultiPlus II! You'll use the features eventually. Keep the old inverter as a spare, or even use it to power another fuse box with specific loads.

@danielardelian2 2 жыл бұрын

List price difference is 37 EUR + tax, about 60 AUD + tax. Keep the Multiplus-II ! PS1: The Multiplus-II does NOT have built-in solar charging. You still need an external MPPT for that. The complete solution is the EasySolar-II (includes an inverter, MPPT, GX managing and monitoring device). PS2: The bus between parallel / 3-phase Victron inverters is called VE.Bus and I'm pretty sure the underlying technology is RS-485, not CAN. They do have CAN products, but those are different.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

It's $350 down here between the Phoenix 48/5000 and the MP2 48/5000.

@danielardelian2 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia Interesting pricing strategy.... I forgot to mention: Supposedly, the Multiplus-II has better efficiency and lower self-consumption

@Sanwizard1 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the Multiplus. The JK can talk CAN I believe, or you can move to a Seplos BMS.

@reinholdu9909 2 жыл бұрын

There is a CAN adapter for the JK

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's on my list to connect the BSM to the CAN system and have this all joined together.

@NateCCIE 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t you use the old inverter as the “grid” input into the MPII and then the MPII will just load assist when the draw is greater that what your program the capacity of the “grid” input. You would have to disable the charger on the MPII of course.

@roadeycarl 2 жыл бұрын

yes, he absolutely can!

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic! That will be a great project!

@spyaorros 2 жыл бұрын

I recommend ingeteam Spanish inverter work within batrium. 6000kv support heavy tensions battery. Price 2000e.

@tecnology-today 2 жыл бұрын

hi Andy. keep it, of course. In the other hand, you mentioned a very interesting feature (emulating a grid). If I understood well, and this inverter is able to do so, you can connect an aditional "on grid" inverter since this type of inverters need to sense the grid´s voltage wave to mimic the power to be supplied (no grid= no power even if you have full of sun in the panels). In this case you can have electricity supply even in case of the grid is off. I think it is a nice feature and some interesting to show in a future video.... ;-)

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's exactly the third feature I was talkig about in the video. Even in an off-grid installation, you can still use your grid-tied inverters and solar. Only a few inverters will work this way though as they need to react to the frequency shifting of the Multi. Also, there is a rule that the AC coupled solar cannot exceed the inverter power, so 5kW of solar can be connected to a 5kVA inverter, but not more AC solar. More info here: www.victronenergy.com/live/ac_coupling:start#:~:text=In%20both%20grid%2Dconnected%20and,3.000%20Wp%20installed%20solar%20power.

@Theoppositeofchaos 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the 5000w run it with the 3000w individually from one battery bank you can later buy another 5000w and parallel them..

@Kanuka-Forest 13 күн бұрын

Quattro inverters have AC to DC chargers also

@thomasribbeck390 2 жыл бұрын

So no parallel but serial! As some already mentioned I would put the 3kv as input to the multiplus set power assist to 2000w so you have something like 6,5-7 kw :)

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh, that's a great idea. I haven't read all the comments yet. I said this myself in the video, the Multi can take any AC input 🤷‍♂️ Whole new perspective!

@thomasribbeck390 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia i did this already with a mix setup to up power my setup for a bigger party :D one 24v 1600 phonix inverter plus on 12v multiplus :D worked 2 days flowless :P

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasribbeck390 it sounds like it worked for two days only...

@thomasribbeck390 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia party was over after 2 days. i think i would worked for years ;) but beer was empty... so we stoped. although monday was comming too...

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, serial connection is great option for such offgrid solution. Phoenix first and then multiplus in series. You can also make simple control mechanism which will switch off the phoenix in the case there is no huge power needed. Phoenix standby consumption is reduced then: a) You can use Multiplus assistant to control the multiplus relay based on output power. b) The venusOS is publishing actual power on mqtt topic /Ac/Out/L1/P and by simple low pass filter added to this measure you can switch the phoenix on/off using Multiplus controll relay and have more complex scenarios covered. Node-red is good for start. c) Check the ESS documentaion for further applications. They state ESS is not intended for off-grid solution but in your case it should work perfectly. I assume the multiplus relay will be connected to the phoenix on/off control input.

@IndependentNewsMedia 2 жыл бұрын

Install the new kit, old kit donate it to somebody whose life will be improved or a charity, good video 👍

@waynescheepers145 2 жыл бұрын

I'd say keep the upgrade, will be future proofing the setup. Sell the 3kva to cover the costs of getting another multi pluss 2. PS As mentioned previously your subs is now at 21.2k so the poster needs updating. Lol Andy, your welcome to shop shelf 2.0 to me for a fee once 3.0 is up and running. Regards

@CryptoNut82 2 жыл бұрын

Keep upgrade

@jnjentinc 2 жыл бұрын

Would be curious how much power you use/ send back to the grid from the house in a future video. Then we can all start thinking up idea’s on future community projects for ya 😄

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

The house produces around 22-25kWh on a good summer day and around 10kWh in winter when the sun is a bit lower. The roof points to the east so it's not optimal and there are also large trees which cause shading in the morning and during winter time. Export in Summer: 13kWh per day Export in Winter: 7.5kWh per day The solar on the house takes up around 20% of the available roof space, so there is more potential...

@jnjentinc 2 жыл бұрын

@@OffGridGarageAustralia alright, well heck you might have some perpetual motion going soon lol KZfaq pays for more solar and and you sell the power back to the grid and you buy more solar to you run out of roof space that is haha 😄 Very fun channel you got going. Just don’t forget to stay charged 😉

@wesyjam 2 жыл бұрын

Go with the upgrade I think. You can use the phoenix elsewhere or sell it

@wenhaowong5549 2 жыл бұрын

Victron is just too expensive for me, I can only afford a growatt inverter at the moment, it is good to see you have free upgrade to mp2!

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

The Growatt isn't bad either. It does not have all the features but is certainly not a bad device.

@chuxxsss 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe keep as back up Andy, unless Voctron sent you version 3 of the unit. Then all bets are off. Now back to my build mate have a wonderful day.

@kuhrd 2 жыл бұрын

If the old inverter has enough power to supply the garage, pool pump, and vehicle I would keep it connected to those circuits separately and add the new inverter to power additional loads including the house. That is what I plan to do with my current Genetry Solar 6K inverter when the GS 12K becomes available. The 12K will power the majority of the house but the 6K will be powering the water heater, well pump and back garage.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I cannot connect the house as long as the contract is in place.

@awesomusmaximus3766 2 жыл бұрын

The grid tie shut down ability is also on the Quattro

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Effectively the same device just the Quattro has 2 AC inputs and is available in a 15kVA version.

@brynsmith414 2 жыл бұрын

i'd be keeping the Multi plus, selling the older inverter and then buying another Multi plus, it makes sense, as we all know you will more than likely build another battery pack in the near future

@guntherfriedrich2050 2 жыл бұрын

Starker Typ!! Nicht im Bizeps!! 😉

@dougm7796 2 жыл бұрын

Keep it, you will be saving $ in the long run as you wont need to replace when you do need those features.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Until then, there could be Multiplus III on the market with even more cool features.

@geroldgoerke5729 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if it would be possible to let the Phoenix Inverter be the AC in of the MultiPlus II ? Just in case you need more than 5000 VA for a short time. Anyways congratulations to the new Inverter. I bought myself the same one end of last year for my future 48v island project. :-)

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that should be possible as others have commented here. So that will be an interesting project!

@Dutch_off_grid_homesteading 9 ай бұрын

Heya, you have to think about the future if you can so the multi+ II would be my choice

@ViktorStrogonov Жыл бұрын

In my country this summer, in August, the price for 1 kW of electricity reached 4 euros .Therefore, the issue of transferring energy from batteries to the network is very relevant for me. Although it looks stupid, but with such prices per kilowatt, it is quite cost-effective

@rOSScOGITANS 2 жыл бұрын

fantastic inverter, inverter for rich people!! :)

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

It will last. I don't want to pay several times for an inverter with all the hassle of having no power if a cheap one fails.

@1981dasimpson 2 жыл бұрын

by sticking with the model 2 your future proofing proofing and not having to buy twice

@oliverwunsch4412 2 жыл бұрын

Haben ist besser als brauchen!

@Toasta-Builds 2 жыл бұрын

recon you need to build an electric quad bike for the property... would make a great vid series

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

The ride-on mower 😉 Got already an appointment for getting the motor mounted 😶

@theoff-gridhouseinrome3598 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Andy happy new year. I think that you can use the old inverter to power the car because othervise if you charge the car via the Multiplus it can overloaded. And because if you buy another Multiplus at the moment is not necessary because you can't connect the house to the garage at the moment do to the AC couppling.

@OffGridGarageAustralia 2 жыл бұрын

The car can handle up to 11kW 3-phase wile charging from AC but also as little as 1.2kW. It will adapt to the power source I connect it to.