"Change is good when the change is good" -- Grubby, six time world championship master

We truly live in the craziest timeline, even Grubby is wearing his alternate character costume

They saw your balance video and couldn't help themselves

The difference between polymorph and cyclone is you can't kill things while they are cycloned.

Crown of Kings now available in tomb of relics. Death Knight always spawns with one. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE TRUE KING

Its also crazy how Orc is the only race now that does not really have a tier 3 unit anymore. (Yeah troll bersekers are tier 3 but its a upgrade rather than a different unit). Maybe the wind rider can be reworked to be a better tier 3 unit since most tier 3 units in the game fly after all.

the first glimpse of human patchnotes reading, polymorph can target heroes was like a pure shock to me

Ngl, tier 2 Tauren makes me want to jump back into the game! I like creative changes like this since they’re never gonna add a few faction.

Never played wc3 just watching Grubby talking about things I have no idea about

This feels like 10 years ago. And Grubbs look like it too. Do you have THE ONE RING? You haven't aged a day.

Grubby: how can you possess a machine... Dark Mechanicus: Are we a joke to you???

Tauren headhunter is going to be the meta for Orc now mark my words.

UD is the only Race that doesn't have mass dispell by Tier 2, and because of that you almost always have to make Destroyers at T3. I like the change makes UD less reliant on rushing T3 to get dispell.

Next patch, "Volcano now does Siege type damage and has a raw 4x multiplier against buildings"

I think they are trying to untie undead's dispel from "rush tier 3 and go destroyers every game" with the rod change. To maybe enable some other tier 2 starts, which would otherwise be destroyed by enemy summoning/spellcasting

Literally the only change i wait for is to finally add reconnect option if somebody disconnects due to internet issues or client issues.

Buff for earthquake could be to disable any buildings in the radius. No training, moonjuice, or tower fire. Makes sense, everyone in the building would be hitting the floor.

the thing about polymorph now is that hu doesn't need MK anymore to interrupt channeling spells. level 6 kotg? pooped on. alchemist heal? pooped on. naga 6? pooped on. Then there's the DK coil animation. You see that sword go in the air, polymorph. no more coil because polymorph is a faster "turn rate" casting time. it's a game breaking change.

Editor working overtime on this one. Great work

Thanks for covering the patch, Grubby! You are a strong pillar in the WC3 community.

First time that Blizz got my attention on WC3 since they sent me a feedback survey about my refund request on Reforged.

I haven't played a game of WC3 multiplayer since Frozen Throne launch (if you don't count DOTA), yet I still watch all your WC3 patch notes and theory crafting content in addition to most of your WC3 game content 😂 Even if I don't understand half the things that are going on, for some reason, I still find these really enjoyable to watch ❤

difference between cyclone spam and polymorph spam is going to come down to brilliance aura and the fact that you can attack polymorphed heroes.

dude, patch notes AND tier lists?! Grubby is killing it on this channel! :)

Once again, his grandmother's cookie recipe eludes us. One day, boys. Hold fast.

WC3 and HOTS patches. What even is? 😳

I agree that Mountain Giants are really hard to balance. As soon as you buff them to be playable, they will be massed, which is no fun to play against. But if you nerf them again, they won't be played at all. I think we need a way to make MGs strong individually, but not as strong en masse. Here's one idea: - Remove taunt - Add "Resilience aura" - This gives all nearby friendly units +1 armor - Remove Resistant skin upgrade. This will now come with MGs by default - Hardened skin upgrade now has an additional effect of increasing Resilience aura from 1 armor to 2 armor This way, 1 or 2 MGs can provide a nice benefit to an army, but since the aura doesn't stack, massing MGs isn't usually desirable. I also think that having multiple upgrades that you need for a unit incentivizes you to mass them, since you dumped a bunch of time/money into the upgrades for the unit, so you'd better make it worth it by making a bunch of them. That's why the resistant skin upgrade would be removed and worked into the base unit

I feel like spells that units cast like polymorph and cyclone should cost different mana depending on what supply cost it is cast against. Like polymorphing or cycloning a hero or mountain giant should cost way more mana than on a knight or footman. So maybe something like 50 mana per supply cost of the unit.

Your enthusiasm is so infectious Grubby, such a pleasant chap

I've always felt that Tauren either need an upgrade that increases their move speed. Maybe something that, if they are out of combat for 2 seconds, their move speed increases to match a knight. OR a really slow air-only ranged attack. They summon a wind spirit or something, moves slowly towards a target, deals a tiny amount of damage but slows the air unit for a solid 5 seconds. Could be used against chims, frost wyrms to try to escape them, or to slow things like wyverns, gargs and hippo riders trying to escape.

About MGs: They could try making it so taunt is harder to get out of but puts a buff on the affected units that makes them immune to subsequent taunts for a time. Like stun resistance in Darkest Dungeon.

I don't know if it can already be done.. but the best approax for Polymorph would it to be able to be cast on your own units. You could sneak a Hero inside a base, very slowly. 😂

love to see you excited!

17:20 - they actually removed most, if not all of the orb effects from the game. I think the only orb-ish mechanic that left is multishot which still prohibits any attack modifier usage on additional targets. However I don't even remember was the multishot even considered orb effect in the first place

Polymorph can now target heroes? This balance decision, while not in nature too wrong, it makes Hero channeling ults LESS viable when they are already not very viable in the first place. This would drive greater importance of Orc Spirit walkers and Undead Destroyer meta. But allowing this to affect heroes is basically giving a Hero ability to a basic unit (Hex). Tier 2 Tauren?... Then Knights, Aboms, and Druids of the Claw Bear form should also be Tier 2. Tier 2 Tauren will also completely power creep Grunts, which are viable melee units at Tier 2 despite being Orc's most basic melee unit. The Tauren costs 280 gold, which is 25% more gold than a Grunt, 80 lumber, but no additional gold cost for additional survivability, has 85% more HP for 66% more food. A better change would be to nerf Tauren HP at Tier 2, but then restore or better yet, INCREASE that HP upon the Tier 3 Pulverize upgrade. This still gives Orc the option to say they can still play with Grunts, but can also build up Tauren and upon going Tier 3 make them actual strong Tier 3 tanky units as opposed to just straight up making Grunts irrelevant past Tier 2. Curse affecting Mechanical units is way too OP as Banshees are UD's strongest/most versatile spellcaster which is on autocast. UD already trashes on human and human's only option is to go mechanical and try to do a different kind of fight. This also affects the Tinker lvl 6 Hero. Cripple is still a manual cast and Necromancers are not as versatile so this would be okay.

the funny thing about doing coding on the editor is that you get the heads up on patches coming out as earlly as they come. I posted in the W3U discord a week ago and no one else has posted about it by then! btw, wand of negation is only 200 AOE, 500 range. I think it's fine.

To be honest it will be fun to see this. Wand of negation. Tauren changes. Scroll of healing removal. This is some big stuff

Looks like the UD changes were to help make them competitive at t2, instead of having everyone just teching to t3 for frenzy and destros

6:18 I actually laughed.

I wonder if Blizzard is seeing some new potential in the RTS genre with Stormgate getting new eyes on the genre. At least the influx of patches to SC2 and now this might point to that perhaps being the case?

"How can you possess a machine?" Your local warp entity would like a word

8:50 I can't stop laughing at Grub here.. i dont know why.. i just imagined grub's actual reaction at Taurens being tier2 😂

Haven't seen Grubby this excited before

I love your knowledgeable explaination of the mountain giant taunt. In general i love learning about all the weird mechanics this game has plus how you explain all these little facts.

Polymorph on heroes is interesting because sorcs are already pretty good and fit into a well balanced comp unlike talons. But talons are already generally out stating them, and don't see any play in the modern era.

Taurens from Barracks would be interesting. Maybe we could even swap Demolishers to the Warmill.

WHAT?! I still want your Grandmothers Cookie receipe though i was waiting a really long time!

I prerfer buffs to nerfs when it comes to balance patches. There was a time, long ago, when the game's jank was so bad the only armies fighting were druids of the talon with their tornadoes vs ancient protectors/ancient of wars slowly lumbering onwards

Interesting change w.r.t. Orcs. I kinda agree with Grubby here, that this is probably the best way to make tham viable. If it appears to be OP, it can be balanced by making the basic build time very long and having the t3 upgrade to reduce it to the current level so you can still squeeze one for a meat shield role in headhunter build.

The big advantage of sorceresses versus talons is arch mage aura

I know the poly thing seems crazy but orc already does that kinda with raiders and they dont cost mana so its really good but i get it

love those tauren explanations

Great ideas this patch, i love it!

Which pie is the number 1.36 close to?:) cause you need to have a very big 'close to range' to compare it it to π=3.14:)

Idk what's worse: polymorph on heroes or undead being able to completely deny tank rush now.

28:05, btw, how does siege units work with miss chance/evasion. Their attack don't hit particular unit, but a place on a ground. And it damages every unit in the AoE radius for a portion of dmg dependant on how close the center of the AoE the unit is. So is it possible for Demon hunter to dodge siege unit attack even tho the attack is on the ground and not on the unit? Or is it possible for them to miss an attack after getting cursed?

Ty grubby. You speek out of my soul. I say so long transfer Tauren into Baracks, bring Spirit walker back in his Lodge an cut the Totem. I like the Idea to bring Taurens out on Tier 2 but its still the same slow and expensive Unit so no one will play it. As a suprise unit out of the Baracks cool but not when you need a extra Building! It would also so help to bring the spirit walker back to Lodge. We need this unit back against Cyclone and Slow.

I had a big thunk. I like the dispel item on undead because destroyers are the only choice they have for dispel. Giving them the item and not other races makes sense so now they have aoe dispel along with every other race, night elves I may want it with them as well but it's not as useful as on undead.

Server frame rate should affect ping speed or something, nothing to do with visual on client side May be recalculating or applying some status efects. Anyway some operation on server side is done faster and you get result back faster

I hope the devs would also add this to their idea. I don't like sundering blades given to the knight early but I understand it gives them value. I think another buff that human can enjoy so that they wouldn't be sacrificing a lot of supply (notoriously sacrificing footmen) is to make the upgrade more efficient cost for this strat. I suggest, let have footman have the sundering blades as well so that they still have value at late game and it would be cost effective to not mass knights for human.

5 acolytes are not enough to repair UD buildings after one tank with 2 attack upgrades(if it isn't slowed by nerub towers). Being able to curse it is a big deal. When human gets eco to spam them it won't be an auto win.

6:20 BLademaster being tornadoed with the scream meme. lamo

I’d listen to a podcast of what’s behind the thought of nerfing volcano😀

I still feel like Tauren need a new upgrade at tier3 next to pulverize, maybe something like thick hide: take 10% less damage, immune to slows.

28:58 PauseChamp Ghost In the Shell KEKWAIT

1.36 is nothing like π. It's closer to the golden ratio or sqrt(2) but not quite. I wonder what you were recognizing :P

im really happy to see them still putting some thought into wc3 but im really sad for the custom game makers that the broken editor gets 0 attention at all...

Mountain Giant autocast on call could work, since it would "take" APM from your oponent without requiring it from you.

17:46 Why tanks are not in this range of 6-7 food supply or at least 5.

I wonder how curse affects ground attack command hit ratings 🤔

33:32 How come? All other races have a dispel on tier 2. Why Undeads can’t have it?

I do think that Taurens shouldn't have their smaller pulverize with the new change. That way it enables easier transition into Taurens, or the addition of a couple Taurens early, but still heavily incentives you to go tier 3. Also Searing Arrows should have utility outside of damage or it will always be worse than Orb of Venom. Maybe it should give like a 5/10/15% damage buff (meaning it takes more damage) to the target for a few seconds. And MG's Taunt could be reworked to give a damage debuff that ONLY reduces damage to non-MG's by say 15%. That way it isn't frustrating and there's no way to 'command lock' with a ton of them, but actually is better for tanking and also is more useful in lower numbers. But I doubt the current 'team' can implement these changes.

Grubby what do you think about tomes of agi, str and int being added to goblin shop?

If they are going to reduce the Food on Mountain Giants they should reduce the Food cost on Grunts.

It's sad they didn't revert the recent moon well changes and add a pea shooter to all moon wells 😢

Status Resistance versus Direct Dispels is how I like to THINK ABOUT these types of things (starting with faction change #1), where you can then fine-tune things to make them fit rather than just have yes-no + yes-no situations. Do you have mana for polymorph & can use your A.P.M. to use the spell? Yes-No. Does an opponent have the countre-spell to your use of polymorph? Yes-No. Both yes, enemy has advantage. Both no, enemy has advantage. Yes + No, you have advantage. No + Yes, they can dispel other things which means again they are advantaged. Give Status Resistance Processes & you can make that 3 second polymorph turn into a 0.75 or 1.0 second one, depending on when you cast dispel. Or maybe you PRECAST dispel (maybe give it 0.5 or 1.0 second increased duration as a buff) & when polymorph gets cast or other things they last for a reduced duration. Blizzard does have a habit of doing the same thing, the W.C.III VERSION - are DEAD Lings on Crack it seems (I would have guessed anyway)!

Great job. I am sad about firelord😂

Sorry am I noob? When does this patch go live cause there is no update yet...?

i vonder is moving the spirit walker to the tauren totem (seeing as its available in t2 now) woud be a good idea

Isnt Firelords Orb-attack like Ursa´s passive (Ursa from Dota 2, duh)? The longer you attack the same target, the more damage it deals. So in late game he should be viable with two or three gloves and boots.

They changed how orb effects work in Dota 2 awhile ago, they can all mostly be stacked at the same time now.

i love how Grubby says MACHINE

I like the poly changes because the spell polymorph has been unbelievably game changing throughout wow. I know they're different games but same universe.

Taurens on tier 2? Ghouls have left the chat.🤣

Ironicly i think Tauren needs the Warcraft Rumble Tauren charge :D

12:05 solution tip: just move Tauren to Grunt, HH Cata Barack

what if they locked wand of negation behind temple of the damned or something so you still had to invest to get it instead of UD just always having dispel all game

So this is your second channel :D

We just traveled back in time to Warcraft 2 days.

11:30 didn't spirit walkers get moved to tauren totem instead of voodoo house because of that?

would be funny if the shredder got cursed and was missing on lumber chops haha ... thanks for the vid :)

thank you grubby

Wand of Wingame is back!!

xmas is here... there was also a patch dropped for hots. what a day

Tauren tier 2 very awesome

Love that they're still updating this game

like a kid in christmas?, like you when you thought you only recieved the steering wheel of a bike :D

Grubby would you make mountain giants taunt last for at least a couple of seconds? Then a recently taunted unit could get a temporary buff that makes it not tauntable for some time so they do not get spammed. That way the ability would have more impact in higher level games.

I have a question, will Blizzard add 9 more races to Warcraft 3 updates? I heard there were up to 13 playable races during development back in year 2000???

Damage should break hero on poly. This patch reminded me of a game where I massed Tauren, then recalled to my base versus NE. I was surprised that NE disappeared in a second. Some of these seem like late April Fools' jokes. LOL.