Microsoft is REALLY trying their hardest to get me to move over to Linux

Be mindful of the language used: "Stored locally". Well, by default on Windows 11, users' Documents and Pictures folders are also 'Stored Locally' -- while _at the same time_ being mirrored to Microsoft's OneDrive servers. Just because data is stored locally doesn't mean it isn't _also_ being mirrored elsewhere.

"disable" until you do a update and gets re-enabled. With the windows hosts file calling home all the time, even though you're storing the "Recall" locally, it's still a risk.

_Linux is looking more attractive every day. Things are getting overwhelmingly Orwellian._ *_It's unbelievable!_*

I would still call it Spyware BECAUSE, windows by default has everything backed up to "OneDrive", which means all those screenshots will be there as well. Microsoft is Linux's best salesman to this day.

The one thing Microsoft got right was the name “recall”, cause after the lawyers get it, and a class action gets filed, thats what they will need to do, recall it.

Windows is not secure hence the constant updates, would not surprise me in the least if the local ai could be remotely pinged by ms and queried without a search warrant or something.

The bit about Samsung becoming absolutely draconian went by real fast. Should be given more emphasis, I think - that's an insane deal to make at the expense of the customer and user.

This caused me to move over to linux after a decade of procrastinating. Microsoft has lost it completely.

5:52 it shows their prio is on not getting sued by those DRM owners. They're protecting themselves, not the DRM owners, as they (claim to) keep the recorded data on the device and don't share or analyse it. As a company in tech however, I would not be using win11 as an OS anymore after the introduction of recall. Think about it. All your trade secrets screenshot.

How exactly does Microsoft expect this to be used in corporate or government applications, where trade secret or classified information are a thing? Do they understand that there are people out there, who have signed NDAs or are legally obligated to know exactly where their clients' personal information are stored and how at all times? What are these businesses or government agencies supposed to do? Switch to Linux? This does not feel like a feasible businness strategy. Also, what exact miracles is that "AI" (Is it even proper AI?) doing with all this information that would compensate such a breach of privacy?

30:36 I noticed the change in Tuta logo but no way I would've imagined that was a switch.

I would not believe a word that people at Microsoft are promising us! I have started to learn a new OS....LINUX! After Win 10 I am off to Linux.

Even while I was still using Windows, I used WinAeroTweaker to disable almost everything. I loathe mandatory automatic updates. If they are "for your security", why do Windows Pro users have the ability to delay them? So I just fully disabled them and only enabled when I wanted to update. Also, Microsoft did mention some kind of opt out for Recall, but how that will work is unknown...

Feature made for the state marketed as a user feature really good plan this will have no foreseeable blow back from user disgust.

Can believe I say this but Microsoft make China and North Korea look so wise when they switching their government computers to use FOSS years ago.

More like a keylogger as it takes a snapshot of the system and a screenshot, so if you have a password manager open... Say good bye to you're PC and data. Also ChatGPT is not local and info has to be sent to it so it can process it. Another problem is BitLocker and TPM 2.0+ can easily be bypassed in minutes using a rasperry Pi pico board. MS was breeched only recently by the Chinese and all its Cloud based storage and Db servers comprimised, as the U.S government just gave them a bi telling off.

Speaking as a retired 15 yr MSFT Redmond 'survivor' (actually it's a very good place on the overall to work at) I can easily imagine how something like (Total) Recall came to life inside the Campus. But I'm very disappointed that it managed to make a major product announcement. Remember Redmond works in silos, despite any rhetoric. That's always been the inside culture. Basically if someone in one with sufficient internal political weight wanted Recall and that's about it. For example, if you have a Distinguished Tech Fellow (or whatever the latest title is) and at least a Corp VP level person really wanting something new plus the internal dev builds (of say a Recall) not breaking the Main Build Tree then that feature usually makes the final distributions. It is (used to be) that simple. There will be all sorts of internal review procedures & discussions, but when someone high enough up the management chain wants it (say Recall) then "it is a pretty good career move not to oppose it".

This violates my NDA, I can no longer use Windows for work.

But why would anyone want or need recall at all?

Apparently they were stored in a section, not deleted by the reset phone feature? Not sure if that is true, but it's definitely possible if they don't actually wipe the user partition.

This isn't strictly a privacy thing, but laptops with a graphics card are already ready to run an AI model. Idk, to me it looks like microsoft just wants to justify upgraded devices to their consumers. With how heavy handed they are with their "advertising" these days, i wouldn't be surprised if they start heavily pushing copilot+ PCs in windows 11. Gotta love it when you pay 100 bucks to get glorified billboard software in your home.

"MS and Windows couldn't *possibly* suck worse!" MS - hold my beer

Recall is a huge security hole...

Good job! Thanks a lot! :)

Not sure if Microsoft is feeling extremely confident or extremely desperate about their monopoly. Maximum overreach either way.

Subbed! Good work

The recall thing is so crazy, nobody asked for this. The only use case I can see for this is for business office employees, or for students at school computers who aren't there to do anything personal, but to like, write an essay, and use it essentially as a way to have save backups of work, and to have a record of the work process to hopefully help to surveil the abuse of GenAI in schools. That's a decently valid use case, I would think.

What about the story where it was claimed the device had been reset? Shortly stuff shouldn’t be in the file system after a wipe?

Is that new intro music? Super dramatic! Love it

I've passed the Tuta link on Twitter. I do appreciate the work.

Im on Linux already, Arch is good, I switched earlier this month, and glad I did before Microsoft announced that Recall feature.

Regarding Recall's thing taking screenshots of everything, I think the way they phrased it leads to misinterpretation. If I were to hazard a guess I'd say it only excludes DRM protected video and InPrivate Edge sessions because of the way those things are already, one can't take screenshots or video recordings of protected video playback (they'd turn out all black) and Edge incognito windows surely expose an flag / API to indicate the private nature of it, like what happens in Android for example (although some 3rd party ROMs allow for bypassing the restriction, it's not commonplace). What I mean to say is, since their stance as of now is not to do any processing on what gets screenshotted, those would be the only things that are excluded. If they added postproc to the screenshot taking part, I wonder how much compute would be needed to prevent credentials and the like from being captured. From what I read, AI PCs have a minimum of 40 TOPS requirement for those NPUs and to my knowledge neither Intel nor AMD have offerings capable of that, so it'd only be for those Qualcomm/Nuvia ARM SoCs (still, someone already played with the thing to have it enabled on regular machines, so who knows what's what...). In any case, I'm skeptical of the utility of Recall, perhaps its misgivings about the privacy of it all, one could say I have trust issues when it comes to large corporations haha. I did like Windows' Timeline when it was working properly, I had used it in the past at times to go back to something I was working on, or search through activities, but they killed it. Same for Zeitgeist on Linux, man I loved that stuff, it wasn't integrated in many things, but having a timeline of what I was doing was super useful to me, but it didn't take; for some reason people weren't interested, or devs didn't delve in supporting it in their software, who knows. I think those things had a lot of potential to be honest, and didn't need AI to make them useful. Sure, if we take assistant-like features a modes degree of machine learning is useful, at least when it comes to natural language processing, but it seems to me people weren't interested in having proper assistance in their compute life. Even Cortana was useful at some point, I wonder how things would be if they worked were well integrated.

Wait... maybe Microsoft's next great idea: "Our new cloud will be your machine. We'll share random people's data on your pc to save you money. Microsoft... bringing data home."

This was the last straw for me. I'm going to start learning linux and as soon as i get one sufficiently set up, im taking my windows 10 computer offline just because i have an offline game on there i want to still play in the future.

I don't have the space for the Windows 'feature' on my 128GB C partation

i guess it’ll be a 128gb hard drive for me if i go to windows 11

17:15 The description for iOS 17.5.1 claims that the stored images that wasn’t deleted was a very rare problem. The excuse is that it happened due to a broken database for some images. The expected vague no answer response to avoid lawsuits.

windows is the secondary, maybe tertiary os i will run ever since the copilot malware was pushed through to the os. unless there is a game that is hands down impossible to run on a linux distro, i won't be returning. Linux distros have come a LONG way and are perfectly suitable for an average user now.

Linux searches have spiked since this was announced.

I just realised that it will be harvesting info even about people who have no win 11 as well. Every conversation between someone who is on Win 11 will be recorded, so everything you said to someone lets say on discord, or on redit, will be recorded on their PC, every picture u are on on their pc, every video u are in, instagrams and all that stuff. this is beyond ridiculous.

Microsoft can record me downloading linux and flashing a usb stick to install linux 😂😂😂😂😂

Thank you

I’m surprised they wouldn’t use ssh to store that data instead of storing it on your pc.

I wouldn't mind an ARM-based laptop but I'd want to use the NPU for what I want to use it for and not for what Micro$oft wants to use it for. Copilot+ can go in the recycle bin and it will be immediately emptied.

If it becomes mandatory on all windows pc's, since it's just a folder containing screenshots, you could just write a script that deletes the contents of the folder once every 5 minutes. Or even everytime a file is created there.

Switching to GNU/Linux years ago was really one of the smartest things I did. Windows has since then become worse and worse and is nowadays only a bloated spyware and adware. Best to get rid of it as soon as possible.

DRM vs CC is about legalities. It tells us the gray area for their legal department to work on. Solution is to file a law suit to make the gray area black and white.

Its the same on any electronic device (even broken ones) the data is still there unless you overwrite it, why would anybody expect Apple to be any different?The only way to restrict the data would be to encrypt it to said devices on the account with associated local held key.

Windows Recall requires a Copilot+ machine to run, as it requires Snapdragon X CPUs. This is due to the number of NPUs (Neural Processing Units) required to run it. You also have to enable Recall and partition the storage space needed, thus only those who do not care about security or are uneducated will use this. Switching to Linux would be a great option, although the average Windows user does not have the technical skills to keep their system updated. This will create the same massive problem with malware and zombie machines that Windows Windows XP and earlier versions had.

Except for specialty software only made for windows and that does not play well on Linux: you only use Windows 11 for that. If it does not require internet access, keep Windows 10. But for everything else, there is a parallel or way to get the software to work on Linux and you can comfortably adapt given how friendly a lot of Linux Distros are to newbies.

Speaking of the metadata in WhatsApp, we need to be able to pad and alter the size of each message so there is no precise metadata.

Lyca Mobile was already comprimised November 2023, There are some forum posts in the UK about this.

Companies doing things like this should be legally bound to provide the following: Allow easy and complete uninstall of this "feature" Allow fully disabling the feature never overwrite the configuration the user did never ask if the user wants to enable it again this feature has to stay opt in forever without any chance to change this this and similar spyware is only installed after the user has been informed about every detail of this software and has specifically agreed to install this "feature" and yes the user must have the option to decline installation!

no, if you read the text as is you will understand that they are not sending te pictures anywhere but they never mentioned the data. here's my take on that... they will get the AI to analyze the pictures and produce a summary of what they see and it's that summary that will be sent.

the only way for me to even consider windows 11 at this point is if they fully open source it. Unless they do that, i'll switch to zorin os after windows 10 support ends

They are already pushing the copilot with Edge and if your like me who deletes Edges main files (since you can't uninstall it) it will lock your other browsers out of the internet. Luckily (for now) you can uninstall the edge copilot then a quick restart and your other web browsers work again.

Get well soon Henry

I uninstalled Drive as well. So this feature should not at all show up or be abled to delete and uninstall permanently.

WindowsXLite, ChrisTitus WinUtil, O&O Shutp10, switching to Linux are the way to go

I switched to Linux right after Windows 10 came out. The reason for the switch is that while using Windows 10, I was in an economics class. The computer would lock up and after rebooting the computer the spreadsheet I was working on for the class would be gone, along with other files. So I switched to Linux and have tried several different distributions of Linux. For new comers I suggest using Linux Mint, I using Ubuntu Mate and I'm very happy with it. I do have a Windows 10 that I ude for programs that I need to use that don't run on Linux. My main computer is a Linux computer and will always be. For anyone wanting to try it buy a cheap computer and give it a go.

IF you wanna get technical, windows starting being spyware when they began integrating smart features with windows 8. 8 was a dumpster fire attempt, Microsoft revised it with 8.1 and some people were more accepting of 8.1 but most people still steered clear and then windows 10 came out even more "smart" and a lot more people were accepting of that and now windows 11 is from what I've gathered come to full fruition as a smart operating system basically mimicking that of smartphones. The future of technology is smart operating systems because they are all spyware at their core system levels. Android spies, Apple spies, Microsoft spies, Samsung spies, Google spies. Just addressing the elephant in the room :|

Microsoft should do a super stripped down version of Windows now that would be an upgrade, let people install what they actually need.

This is one reason why i reverted back to windows 10. Sure it might dead in a year but it's still more secure than windows 11.

No forced ( Recall) ( Bit Locker) ( MS User Account) as soon a Zorin will fully support steam, I will dump windows. Thx for sharing Good Luck

Recall is unimpressive. What we need is Precall- AI searchable screenshots of things you're GOING to do on your PC. Now THAT'S innovation.

The main reason I have windows is because some games don't work on Linux..... If that were no longer the case I would stop using Windows Could these companies stop adding AI to everything holy crap the level of greed for power and money is astronomical I bet they would sell their customers' souls in a heartbeat

I moved to linux because of recall

Copilot PC + is the new Arm based laptops… with NPU’s with 40 TOPS

I hope they will end up rolling it back after enough people complain.

The explanation about the iPhone thing doesn't make sense, or at least isn't a complete explanation. Some people said they had the re-appearing-image issue on NEW phones. Also, how is it that the storage wasn't filled up after several years, did those people have large phones with lots of space and rarely take photos or videos to write to it? 🤨 I've had situations in Windows where a file was accidentally deleted, then I immediately pulled the plug to prevent ANY writes (hopefully even preventing the erasure to write to the disk at all), but STILL have it already overwritten. iPhones won't overwrite freed space for YEARS? They should probably tout that as a selling-point: "ultimate data-recovery". 😒

I know just what to do, I will just get 1 TB one drive subscription and get hacked this becoming the ouroboros

Maybe Apple was storing thumbnails or something. Unless this is the "revert copy" for edits.

Time to go full Linux, MS is way out of boundaries, bastards!!!

So my Banking App wants to use facial biomrtrics using the basic camera.

Obligatory: "Henry is never there!!11!" Just kidding. Best wishes for him!

The more data is collected the more data is put on risk.

Don't repeat everyone verbatim. Do your own research. Of course you can disable it. Cache indexes actually speed up search way more. It is embeddings the images in a local database, and you can delete any image you want to. It avoids passwords as best as possible, but if your website/app does not mark it as a password field, and you show the password, then it may store it. It is probably best to use native password fields. It is a software issue with the developer. You are assuming too much of people, most people _Never_ have to install an OS. "Copilot Plus PC" is just the "AI PC" means it has a NPU (neural coprocessor) to run AI inference _way_ more efficiently than GPU inference. Which is only available on arm SoCs, or PCIe cards, so far, until new x86 series

I really hope the FTC, FCC and the European Union can really do something about this.

I’ve used MS Windows since 3.11 in 1994. Got my MCSE & MCSA certs in 2000. Windows entropy has driven me to Apple. MacBook. I’ve also loaded Linux on my old MS laptops.

Since it appears as though it requires specialized hardware to function, just give manufacturers that produce such machines the middle finger.🤔

You've not explained how this 'record' feature would be of any use to the user, or at least how Microsoft proposes it will be of use. Never in my life have I wanted to go back and 'remember' all the tiny little unimportant actions I've done throughout the day on my computer. On the other hand, on a Mac, Time Machine, which records files as they were at specific periods of time is useful in case a file becomes corrupt, users can go back to an earlier state before the file became corrupt. But how in the world will recording the minutiae of unimportant activity (including recording passwords such as banking passwords ... how will this benefit the user?). Obviously if this is a "feature" that can't be turned off, there would be a mass exit of PC users. No one in their right mind would agree to activating such a feature (if it actually records everything that you've described).

I have this question for people who are not even trying to dump Win: Are you stupid?!

binux edit: i use nobara btw 🤓

I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet. ..but your kids are gonna love it.

lol recall does somthing similar

it's so funny that Zoom is getting better encryption vs the others who are not Chinese owned; who'd have guessed how the tables are turning, so bizarre; though they have tiktok but still lol

🌟🌟I am on linux 2 years🌟🌟

one drive stealing your data and erasing it if you want to delete files in one drive was not bad enough I guess.

Does Microsoft use Windows to program? I smell Linux, haha

switch to Linux

Oh no, someone might find out I wrote "remember to mow lawn" in wordpad 5 years ago! 😱

Impossible!

DFW!!!!

Ifixit quit samsung because they were forcing parts to be bundled, and selling at high overpriced prices.

recall should be uninstalled by diefault

"Windows 11 IoT LTSC 24H2_No TPM or Secure Boot Needed!"

Let them push what they want I’m off to Linux 👍 downloaded it last night and now ready to make the move, I have a separate pc for games and steam but my daily driver will now be Linux Microsoft can go do one the dodgyist company out there

Co-pilot plus needs to go

Bitlocker on consumer PC's? Yuk!