EVERCOAT OPTEX Products SUCK! Stay Clear of this shit and YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! TOTAL TRASH! Now show your SUPPORT and THUMBS UP!

When I used to repaint old Texaco fuel trucks, the red would always bleed through and make the white paint pink. We started sealing the trucks with PPG DP90 black epoxy primer. We never had a bleed problem again.

A lesson for all of us to not go against our instincts. For it to bleed not only through all the high build primer but through the epoxy sealer is unbelievable.

The lady you spoke to was probably working at home answering phone calls and picking her nose while tickling her kitty..😂..she could care less about what your saying Pete...

They need to refund your money and throw in a free case of G2.... At the very least.

45 years as a mechanic and one of the things I hated when returning defective parts was hearing "we never saw that before". You know you can't be the only person that's had a problem with bleed through. I feel for you Pete. All a guy can do is keep plugging away.

This is why pro bodymen won't use red hardner in their body filler, because it can bleed through lighter paint colors!

That sucks. There isn't much negative reviews on this product, but only one guy. These are kinds of things I look for before I buy. Negative reviews usually are the truth tellers.

English color in Tyler Tx, mixed a quart of base coat paint for me. the lady doing the mix, used some single stage binder, which caused the paint to never dry. The job was worth 1500 dollars, they only refunded me 70 dollars which was the cost of the quart of paint they sold me. Total joke.

I will never understand how a good informative video that gets 5000 plus views only has 471 likes ?? People need to wake up and support good channels and content , to encourage more in future and help fund the efforts!! It costs us ZERO !!

Try a stain blocker like Upol Barcoat, if that wont stop the bleeding nothing will, barcoat is yellow too which is handy in your case

Pete. You Rock!!!! Hear ya loud and ClEAR. I’m an old school slick sand guy. Use it every week in modern day collision repairs at a multi brand dealership and never have issues!!! I do use optex bondo (filler) and the optex putty but always steered clear of the primer. (Gut instinct) just never felt good about the primer when slick and never let me or the shop down….

wow,that;s crazy that stuff bleeds threw all that!

Pete you know exactly what you’re doing

Just keep jesus in your heart and youll get through it

It's sounds to me like they need to edit their TDS and state you MUST seal with BLACK primer. I had been through this situation myself once. My heart goes out to you mate - that feeling is like no other 😩

That's fu up I seen that shit at Sema show in las vegas. Was going to get it for my car. Glad you showed the video. I'm going to tell everyone about this. Thanks again for the video and all the tips in body and paint.

OMGGGGGG!! IM GOING CRAZY MYSELF JUST LOOKING AT THIS...😱😱😱😱😱 MUST SHARE!!!

Thanks for this video! I will NEVER use their products again after this. Especially this product!

Hi Pete about 25 years ago we had the red harder for Bundo bleed thru our primer the rep look at me and said that i screw up from that day i will not use red harder only blue never had a problem again

Thanks for warning us. Sorry you had to go through that mess.

Hey Pete A little story here. I painted a truck 30 years ago and had a peroxide stain from to much hardner in my body filler, my own fault! I thought i'd have to strip it all the way down but after a call to my paint co tech line they said that the clear would seal it, just to heat light it, scuff and re base and clear. I did that and to this day it's still holding up, Just throwing this out there.

Just painted my old beat up fisher snow plow RUSTOLEUM, SAFETY YELLOW, no primer ! Looks great 😜

Fastest fix i can think of is paint the car pink or red.... Its for advertising anyways so those are pretty eye catching colors❤❤❤❤

Im so sorry you had this issue Pete. Hard to find good customer support these days. Hang in there Brudda :)

take the money and run... nice... great eye opener on Evercoat customer service and the organization...

Do you get the feeling Pete's not happy?

Nothing but good times there bud !!!

You should be able to sand it with 600 and repaint,the clear coat on it right now sealed those areas,there should be no reason to reseal it,that happened to me and after I sanded the clear with 600 the bleed thru never came back.

I'm starting to get the impression you not liking the optex..

It sucks. Just roll with it. It looks great to the ordinary man. Lesson learned. Don't use that crap anymore. Thank you for all of your hard work in making these videos.

I had a similar issue with a different "red" hardner last year. It wasn't the usual brick red color, it was light red, 3 months after the job was done you could see the pinky-red comming through the primer and white basecoat. Luckily it was very very light and on a 4x4 work truck and the owner didnt care, but it drove me nuts, I usually use rhe blue only now. I don't know why they feel the need to mess with everything.

Hey guys should I use the OPTEX on my next paint job?

I don’t have any experience so this is just an ignorant question. Would spraying black over it before laying down the yellow have any effect on the pink bleeding through?

Pete, you may have already took a grinder to it , but if not ,scuff it with 320 or finer ,scotch Brite even, you know just to break the surface ,spray it with "water Bourne sealer", it doesn't have the" petroleum distillates "( vehicle) of "Solvent Bourne products/ reducers " in it for the dye to take a ride on, to the surface , then you can either spray your base or epoxy sealer first, if you like to spray your base on that . I've done it both ways before . You won't have to apply g2 and Sand again ,hours and strain saved . I've had similar staining happen here and there working for shops that change bodymen that weren't on the same page as the rest of us (Red hardners in fillers usually under lesser hiding colors) or radical red paint pigments that didn't get coated with filler primer completely ( I liked PPG K 36 at the time , fill with it and /or use it as a sealer / adhesion promoter ) . You're using u pol filler ,that's great product also . Worth a shot on a part or two to check it out , anything to not ruin all that fine hard work you've already done . Try the water Bourne it lays out slick . Good skill Pete . I've had Evercoat tell me I did some thing wrong , when I was their poster child previously to one random problem , we have to grit our teeth and bend over , when we want to lash out , I feel what your feeling all over again . Like you Pete I've done vehicles from grocery getters to million dollar collectors . Take it easy . 🤕

Thats unreal !! I can definitely see it showing through...Not Good 😐

Pete I’m sorry you’re having a bad time with this but I watched a future video and this is going to turn out so much better in the end with way less filler.

Did you let your coats flash long enough? Reducer may have made old shit wet again. Still sucks I won’t ever use that again. Thanks for the video

Lessons learned......stick with what you know, call ahead before driving to make purchase........ manufacturer/corporation always wins "you used the product wrong" is their words

I wounder if you got a dud of a can, end or the beginning of the run.not mixed properly etc....

Tds says in bold REMOVE ALL PINK BEFORE APPLYING NEXT PRODUCT. Im curious, you stated there was pink remaining, so....isnt that self explanatory. If you left some pink in low areas, you would expect this to happen? You did state you removed all the pink, but...did you? Also, in the spot before the door, you showed a bleed thru, yet when car looked masked for optex, this area looked masked, as if it wasnt sprayed with optex. How would it blles there if iptex wasnt sprayed there?

So not only is it a hard pain in the a$$ to sand, but it's not stable if the red dye is comming through. What a f'n mess. Your frustration is beyond understandable. Don't let them get you down Pete

That’s unfortunate Pete that this situation has unfolded

For some reason every time I hear the horn honk I want to say Fuck!

WOW... I guess I won't even consider buying that crap and because of how they are treating you, I don't think I will be buying ANYTHING made by Ever-recoat after recoat after recoat. Between the cost of the materials and your time invested in it and the stress it's causing you, just the refund of the cost of the materials still doesn't even come remotely close to what you have invested in a paint job that is worth NOTHING. Hopefully ALL of your viewers get behind you and STOP BUYING ANY EVER-RECOAT PRODUCTS.

Pete does it help you any to watch the full commercial vs when the skip option comes up and you can skip the rest of it? Is there any difference on your end rather the whole commercial is watched or not?? If so I will watch the full commercial if that helps you.

Pete easy fix sand and repaint already been seal with clear coats no need to strip. 👍

Thats some major Bull! The money wasted on that junk is nothing compared to the time you have into it. Sorry you got the shaft on this deal

I cant tell through the camera

Looks like Evercoat has hired some DEI fairy chemists that like pink... I love their Bondo and now will never try their OpTex product... Thanks Pete,,, You have saved a lot of people from some major headaches...

I’d say they won’t give you a refund as they will be admitting fault with the product and scared you will hit them up for the cost of your time and the other products used. They’ve corralled the wagons.

Evercoat needs to step up and make this right

Pete, the problem and issue is right in the name of the product. They're not understanding what you're telling them...I get it tho...its a "filler"...it "fills" and gets sanded, but those areas that it "filled" still remain as "filler" and "pink"...they need to completely change the name of that product. It's marketed "wrong"!

Yep...I’d be mega pissed too!😮

you used a product that you didn't want to, you created the SITUATION!!!😭

Blue scallops would look cool remember those

unless you strip a vast majority of all that primer your right its gonna fail in a catastrophic way. i have had a few product failures over the years and had materials and labor covered by my jobbers but i buy 100k worth a sht a year. and leverage is priceless

Wow !!!

one idiot in comment section, say that you not sanded enough, and you need to remove all pink :D I write back to him in style that KZfaq don't like and blocked :D so i wrote little bit nicer :D. no mater what you use high build, 2k primer, or etc imagine you covering part with 100 micron thickness, is not mater you sand out - 5 mic or 80 mic it should be coated with no issue. From me friend Pete pictures i bet he had rid of half of thickness and still that stuff is bleed trough

Typical of the big companies, looking for solutions to problems that don't exist to make more profits. How difficult is it to put a guide coat on primer.

And is on label that you can paint direct on this super built!!

That really sucks. I looked at that product once and said naw, I’ll keep using my 3M guide coat.

I would not strip the car Pete. I'd just scuff it and recoat the yellow with at least 3 more coats of base and then clear it again. You've just got too much work into it to trash everything and start over. And if your blue is not dark enough that pink it will show through that as well if you don't put your blue on really thick. I'd leave a couple of hours dry time between coats but that is not what most would agree with these days.

Red/pink is the most problematic pigment to paint over... What the heck is it doing in a primer?

If I was him I wouldn’t answer you either.

Unbelievable! But it's true. Guaranteed

That sucks! 🖕 Optex I'll never buy that shit! I'll stick with my Nason products. They never let me down. 😉✌

Wow, I don’t think they sell that around our woods. Pete, you really get in to a lot of work and things like this will make you go broke painting cars. Really terrible that all that work you did has to be redone. Feel for you brother, been there. Most of us old painters are dead from cancer due to all the chemicals. Since I am a little older than you, take or leave the peanut advice but here you go… Don’t ever go for colored bondo, colored primer, color changing bondo or anything new. Your instincts were right, always trust your instincts. If you want to try something new, try it on door jams first, only in a small area. Then get some really good hand held lights to go over how it looks once it drys. I even got burned doing that one time. Years ago I painted a 65 Plymouth Valiant Signet bright yellow. The yellow paint I bought screwed me bad. So I do the jams, I inspected them well, they looked fine. Then I did the engine bay and it kind of looked great but when it fully dried it looked like the mess you had. So I scuffed the whole bay and reshot it. Looked fantastic once dry. Then I painted the car. After the spray it looked like a show winner. So I thought maybe that engine bay debacle was just some mystery. I went to bed that night happy. The next morning the whole car looked like your mess. Same thing, a ton of unplanned work to scuff the whole car down and shooting it again. The crap I was using I realized was shrinking so bad that on small areas like door jams it seemed to perform fine on. Any large area as it dried, it appeared to pull and cause thin spots in the paint on large panels like random patches. Took me three days of hard work to fix the mess. Now it ended up real nice in the end but I never used that crap paint again. I like PPG paint, House of Color. In Alaska I shot mostly Napa paints. That Napa paint was good paint for the price and they had the best paint shop in Anchorage. The only problem I had with Napa paint was getting the garage hot enough for the paint to flow good and settle to a smooth surface. That mistake of shooting a car a hair too cold was on me and I quickly figured out what went wrong and never did it again after four days of sanding and reshooting the car. I saw a guy on utube that painted a Satellite or maybe it was a Road Runner three times. He was pretty clueless and after his third attempt the paint work was still a mess. I think he totally gave up and drives it that way. Good luck on the next shoot.

Well at least the pink dye did it’s job!😂

All those years and knowledge, you don't lay down a sealer coat? Sealer coat color based on the topcoat you're gonna paint. 🤔

You can do it Forrest 😂😂😂

I would never use any product that is PINK. Think about it.

I'm praying for you Pete. I heard of bleed through before in the 80s, but in my book , Your RIGHT! You did everything right, all your knowledge definitely shows, which is y I love your channel. What turd at ever coat came up with the idea of adding dye to a filler primer. Dye, is dye, in my book once you add it to whatever it is, it becomes part of the product. I my honest opinion, dye is color. I definitely cannot see how " dye" can float to the surface and dry that way. Its impossible. I'm not a chemist, I just think out of the box on my shoulders. Even if you sand the optex till its gray, I cannot see that happening, as it is part of the product, it will always be there. They use dye in bondo to turn it green I found out. My guess, if you coat it with g2, then, sealer, then paint, its going to do it again. I'm a carpenter by trade, 40 years, built furniture for whole hotels by myself, no help, and I use wood dyes alot ,I dont use stains. The only way I can get wood dye out of wood, is good old javex. No dye left, but it does not help your situation. Its DEFINITELY the dye ever coat is using, or maybe they fd up the batch?? They will never tell you though :( your in my prayers 🙏

The Company has your money and doesn’t care about my friend Pete.👍👍👍👍👍👍

you were so close to have them working with you and do something about the situation....what went wrong?

Pink anything under any color is an absolute no-no. Evercoat should know that. Pink dyes so difficult to create that they are made with a consecrate that is so strong it will always be visible under any light color, primer, sealer, or not, especially and I mean especially yellow. With the adhesion chemicals they use today, they actually melt everything underneath them and allow the pink to show through. So rule of law, never put pink anything under any paint job. It really sucks what happened. That is a very expensive failure and Evercoat should know better and take responsibility for their ignorance. So give them shit Pete. Back in the late 60's when the vibrant colored paints first hit the market, everybody quickly learned about color bleed through. Today, the corporate technicians know shit and they just don't care.

Not for nothing my Friend Pete but U legitimately have a case against them u can have them pay for ur time

I'd just airbrush true flame over pink parts

I never ever doubt you don't know what you're doing. People are dumb as hell to even consider that

Pete that was crazy. Could a sealer coat application. Been done. For paint bleed through prevention. But a product should be a tool not a time consuming frustrating minus. I've never sealed fill primer. Never heard of such a dumb product. And all the work to fix bad primer. Wish thier ceo knew how much work it takes makes me sick.

You think before the send a product out , the manufacturer would have did a bunch of test painting on metal and fibreglass.. they must have known it bleed.. unless they did a test and painted it pink....

When I get the run around from a few different people within a company including managers and supervisors to no avail I then take it straight to the top. I email the company's ceo. I do it in a professional manner. It has worked every time so far and even with some of the largest companies in the USA. Most heads of these companies will take legitimate claims such as this very seriously and act in a prompt manner. If it were up to me I'd give you a full refund and comp you $500-$1,000 worth of product or offer a cash compensation. It sounds like that product should be pulled off the market.

Or maybe incorporate the bleeding into a design of sorts

To my different products under the base coat. In my opinion

Strip it down and get it right like you’ve done so many times before. With all the product you sprayed on it has way to many mils on it regardless of how much ya sand off. Turn it out Pete like we know you can. That Bug will make ya famous!😂✌️👍☝️

pete you are going to have a heart attack buddy, calm down

Black Primer will “kilz “ it, I like dark primers with one light coat of white, then my color. 3 coats. only my heart bleeds. 😊

All I wanna do is paint!

After seeing the entire video,dang this is bad shit.

The reducer is pulling the guide coat pink color to the top unbelievable it's not been discontinued you may need to sand all that completely off and start over sorry to say.

Shit , I wouldn’t strip it down. I’d sand down the paint and repaint the yellow again and clear it and be done. Stripping it down to bare metal would really suck

I would get Hot Rod Black , and seal it with Black ❓ 🚩 That Fukedup

u have to read the instructions... it s a new product you arent used to. why not use dark coat of epoxy to stop bleed?

You might think about a waterborne primer to lock that shit down

Why if you are shooting PPG why don’t you use CRE -921 instead of evercoat products

Imagine the phone call to Harbor Freight

I FEEL SO BAD FOR YOU PETE . SO MUCH HARRD WORK TIME AND MONEY . AND NOT KNOWING IF EVEN WHEN YOU DO ALL THAT IF IT WILL SAY LOCKED UNDER THE EPOXY AND FEATHERFILL.. ONLY WAY I WOULD TRUST IT WOULD BE STRIP IT ALL OFF WITCH WOULD BE DOING THE CAR TWICE ... UNREAL .

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Black primer is the answer

What a joke, thanks for the public service announcement. I cant believe a huge corporation wont even refund a single can of paint.