3 Jaw lathe chuck accuracy, stability, issues, and outlining a correction procedure. Hallmark Design Website: hallmarkdesign...
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@ROBRENZ Жыл бұрын
Nicely done Cliff! I had not seen your video before I did mine on the same topic. Obviously great minds think alike. ATB, Robin
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Cheers Robin! Cliff
@cynic55817 ай бұрын
I thought this was a joke video at first. 7 mins in and you’re explaining the problem for the 5th time. Ended up being a good video thanks.
@Threadexpress7 ай бұрын
I know, lengthy introductions frustrate me too! I suppose it is to broaden the base of understanding, gather focus, and... maybe some folks are slower than you. (But maybe not 5 times!) Cheers, Cliff
@KW-ei3pi2 жыл бұрын
Best method of holding jaws for grinding that I have seen so far. Thanks
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to give feedback. Cheers Cliff
@Razorphil Жыл бұрын
This video was priceless. You explained it in such a way that it just clicked the first time round. I will do this tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time to make this great content, love it!
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Cheers, Cliff
@ryanclarke2161 Жыл бұрын
Wildly underrated channel. Now I know what's up with my chuck.
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! Cliff
@ypaulbrown Жыл бұрын
my favorite lathe I have used, and owned, a Colchester Triumph 2000.....15 inch x 50 inch...new sub from the US.....Paul
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Cheers! Cliff
@bigbattenbergАй бұрын
We have one at the company I work, it's in poor state of maintenance but bought new by the company and all the documentation is there. I am spending some lost hours fixing the machine so that I can use it every now and then. Very well built machines with lots of nice and well thought-out features.
@halflife828 ай бұрын
THANK YOU!!! This is exactly what I kept thinking in my mind was the issue with my Chinese lathe. Runout and bellmouthing in the jaws I noticed. I was going to try and machine each jaw one at a time to fix the issue, but this is exactly what I needed as I couldn’t find a way I could grind them down in the chuck as the bellmouthing is in the wrong direction vs work chucked up. A spigot on a ring with grooves in the jaws is genius!!! Thank you so much. 💪👍
@Threadexpress8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Cliff
@PatriotCoinRings Жыл бұрын
Another Great Title for this video @0:40 *"How much could a Woodchuck chuck, if a Woodchuck could chuck wood?"* So sorry, after hearing the word chuck so much in the beginning, I just couldn't help myself. The video was truly helpful though and exactly what I came here for, thank you 😁
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Cheers....I do remember that one ..is a woodchuck also a bird? Cliff
@PatriotCoinRings Жыл бұрын
@@Threadexpress Actually there is a duck called a "Wood Duck" that you may be thinking of or there very well may be a bird called a woodchuck but you got me interested enough to look it up and the woodchuck that the rhyme is talking about is apparently a very large groundhog as defined in this Wikipedia link... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_much_wood_would_a_woodchuck_chuck
@PatriotCoinRings Жыл бұрын
p.s. Thanks again for the help. I've been using a minilathe for some time being that I manufacture rings but it's so narrow as to what I do, I don't ever really expand beyond more that it's capable of and when the chuck went out of line after an employee took out the grips in the chuck, I wasn't sure how to figure the order in as to how to get it in line again and your video was very helpful fixing what I now know is called "runout".
@ninthm00n2 жыл бұрын
You continue to be an outstanding asset to the machining community Thank you and keep up the good work Cliff. Cheers! Joey, NC USA
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joey! Cliff
@NRDavis-wl8vn2 жыл бұрын
Makes a difficult process easy to understand. Thanks! I've got an old Chuck to work with.
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Cliff
@richardcobb2852 Жыл бұрын
Great video, On my three jaw, it was only one jaw damaged from a 6 foot length of 2 inch dia. chrome moly coming loose from the tail holder. I had a 9 thousand run out from that. Using a piece of stock and a piece of 1 thousand shim stock, I found my bad jaw. After the repair, I’m down to 1.25 thousand runout. My plan B was to use a grinding wheel as your video shows. Luckily my jaws are two piece each jaw, I removed the burr from the dovetail and replaced the two bolts that hold it together, they were stretched from the stress. Great job, great work, great video.
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard! Cheers Cliff
@mrmyorky5634 Жыл бұрын
That's an excellent way of holding the chuck jaws apart. Thank you. Incidentally I don't worry about about grinding through the surface hardness layer as I think that the softer steel beneath grips the workpiece better and with less pressure. Obviously they will not last as long but another regrind is quick enough to do.
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Cheers! Cliff
@CMAenergy5 ай бұрын
I was concerned about said problems, And was told to do the grind a little differently But your method super seeds what I seen Thanks
@Threadexpress5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, Cliff
@Preso582 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cliff. That process has been on my wish list for a long time. I've always shied away from cutting into the jaws though.
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark. Yes I used to be reluctant also. But when you machine the groove you realize the steel is quite hard down deep as well.. so it is not like a thin hard case on a soft interior. Cliff
@evanlewis6522 жыл бұрын
@@Threadexpress I accidentally tested the hardness of the jaws on my Boxford A lathe using a drill mounted on the tool post. I couldn't understand why several drills came back with the tip completely flattened. I thought it was the stainless steel work piece work hardening. Then I realized I was trying to drill into one of the chuck jaws! It didn't even leave a mark on the jaw. Now I have made my own grinding attachment by mounting a DC treadmill motor on the cross slide, after removing the compound slide and making a cone shaped spigot to mount the grinder at the center height. I made an ER32 collet holder to mount directly on the shaft of the DC motor. I will put it on my KZfaq channel one day. But I don't know how good my machining is, and also feel a bit hesitant about attacking the jaws with it. I'm not aware of any real problems, but it was interesting that you said that the grinder isn't critical, and users may be unaware of the source of problems such as using parting tools. But the biggest and best tip you presented was how to mount the ring. So here is a big Thank You for an excellent video. Subscribed. By the way I am a KIwi in Thames and the lathe has the original Burnerd chuck that it had new at Te Puke High School, where I did engineering classes.
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
@@evanlewis652 Hi Evan. Sorry I missed your interesting comments until now. My father was a draftsman/designer at AG Price when we lived in Thames in the 60's. I still love that area of NZ. Cheers Cliff
@Evan-e-cent Жыл бұрын
@@Threadexpress Hi Cliff, I am in Tennessee right now. Your father probably knew "Nelson" who was also in design at Eastman. He is still doing CAD design by contract and has a huge home workshop. We have been restoring two Tangye stationary steam engines at the Goldmine Experience in Thames. Well worth a visit! They are opening a new blacksmith shop on Nov 12th 2022 with a steam day. I am already looking forward to getting back on my lathe in Thames. I will add a post about my grinding attachment.
@37yearsofanythingisenough396 ай бұрын
This is the correct way to recondition hard jaws. You must “fool” the jaws into thinking they are gripping a solid shaft. Putting just a plain ring on the jaws and backing them out will not load the jaws correctly and will not yield correct results. Very good video.
@Threadexpress6 ай бұрын
Cheers! Cliff
@shakes73499 Жыл бұрын
That's what we used to do but using a boring bar.👍
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Cheers! Cliff
@brucec9542 жыл бұрын
Great info, now I can justify buying that tool post grinder!
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Yes you can! Cheers Cliff
@testyourdesign2332 жыл бұрын
Time to check my chucks! Thanks for sharing.
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Cliff
@johnswilley67642 жыл бұрын
Great info Cliff! Thank you very much Sir. Best wishes from Orlando, Florida U.S.A.
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Cheers John! Cliff
@arthurstone98402 ай бұрын
Question for you is, when you grooved the front of the jaws how did you hold them. As I have just fitted a new chuck and whilst the body of the chuck is only .02 run out. The part to be machined depending on the diameter can be anything up to .3. It’s wasting my time, and makes me loose it. If only the owner understood the amount of time wasted by buying cheap tools 😢 Thanks for your video.
@Threadexpress2 ай бұрын
Hi - I closed the jaws on a diameter of material to lock them up then machined the groove in the lathe with carbide and light cuts, but you could also hold the chuck as above in the mill and use a carbide end mill. Cheers, Cliff
@Gstar00078 ай бұрын
I have being turning 30 years now and I don't like hard jaws , 9 time's out of ten I bore soft jaws through to grip said component dia , hard jaws may not be the correct radius for the job and could mark it .
@Threadexpress8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts! Cliff
@weldmachine2 жыл бұрын
Envy time 😉 Definitely a Very Nice, Tool Post Grinder. Usually when you see these items in a video they are in worse condition than the Lathe 😂 Not surprised to see Cliff with such a Nice example 👍 First item on my list when I purchased a New Lathe was to buy a Bison Lathe Chuck.
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Yes many years ago I bought a new Emco lathe with that toolpost grinder - but I only sold the lathe! Cheers Cliff
@peterhoffman1352 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I have spent hours trying to figure out what's going on with my cheap ass lathe chuck.
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Cliff
@PiotrFoxWysocki2 жыл бұрын
great tip! thanks :) i will run to my lathe now to check it out :)
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Cheers, Cliff
@CNC4XR72 жыл бұрын
Great video Cliff very cleaver trick!
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Sam!
@chuckhuff71238 ай бұрын
One of the best prison made products from the land of one of our main comie enemies. 😊.and you wounder why they won't get it right ,and still the problem lies within you D.A.😊
@Threadexpress8 ай бұрын
Low price without import taxes - and we can't resist.
@tomroskell4034 ай бұрын
very interesting video question sir , how to machine the cut out in the jaws ?
@Threadexpress4 ай бұрын
Hi Tom. Grip a piece of diameter to lock the jaws tight then turning with light cuts and slow rpm, using a carbide insert tool left and right shapes, to machine out a slot - or do it with a carbide end mill in a mill with a rotary table. Cliff
@tomroskell4034 ай бұрын
@@Threadexpress thanks for information 👍
@martindennehy303011 ай бұрын
A good way or else you can drill three small holes into to front of all the jaws on the smaller diameter steps, insert three small bolts with heads and grip a small diameter ring out in front with the three bolt heads . This will position the jaws the same way.
@Threadexpress11 ай бұрын
Yes. thanks for your comment. Cliff
@marianmarian6941 Жыл бұрын
Great job Cliff, I need to do the same on my weiler 280. What shape of tool did You use to machine that additional groove in front of jaws? And did You block jaws during this internally by some shaft?
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Hi MM. Thanks for the feedback. The tool shape from memory was 60 deg carb inserts, tipped to suit and lots of shallow light cuts. Yes with a shaft inside the jaws to clamp them stiff. Cheers Cliff
@bh314111 ай бұрын
only good for one diameter. 3-jaws aren't intended for concentricity without shimming. If you want concentricity use an adjustable jaw like a typical 4-jaw chuck.
@Threadexpress11 ай бұрын
Hi - The grinding procedure gets the inside of the jaws at least in good angular alignment and not bell mouthed, but I agree that in that some chucks, the scrolls are not concentric. However, a 'floating backplate' allows concentricity adjustment more quickly than a 4 jaw. Cheers, Cliff
@markgeurts2582 жыл бұрын
Nice! But what if you have play on de scroll, so that the scroll can move up and down in de X direction? Have you ever come across this?
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark. Good to hear from someone thinking deeply about this! Yes play on the scroll bearing or a non concentric scroll thread can be an issue with some chucks, and is a minor accuracy issue on all chucks. The procedure in my video is still needed to correct the jaw grip squareness and straightness, but for accurate work of different diameters the work concentricity may still need to be dialed in (I use a 'floating backplate' as mentioned in other videos). When repeat parts are made after the chuck is dialed in for that diameter, concentricity tends to repeat well. Cheers Cliff
@markgeurts2582 жыл бұрын
@@Threadexpress Thanks Cliff, all clear, cheers!☺
@mrmyorky5634 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm a Machine Tool fitter and worn scroll plates as well as worn jaws are a common problem. There isn't much you can do about worn scroll plates unfortunately, and I have seen turners giving the chuck jaws a biff with a hide mallet to get the best out of a worn out chuck. Not ideal I know, but if you're really struggling for accuracy and are not in a hurry you could always use a 4 Jaw chuck.
@johnhall8455 Жыл бұрын
What grinding stones do you recommend?
@Threadexpress Жыл бұрын
Hi John. You are only grinding off a few thou so the exact specs are not too critical. If you need to buy, ask the supplier for a medium grain for hardened steel with sizing to suit your grinder. Cheers, Cliff
@PhaseConverterampV2 ай бұрын
First, You talk a lot friend, plus don’t need to machine the jaws. Use a machining ring made in England . It holds the jaws just like u have. Don’t grind either, horrible grit. Use a normal boring bar , carbide , ceramic or cbn. Thanks
@Threadexpress2 ай бұрын
Hi - Do you have a link or name of that ring, how it holds on closing the jaws? I disagree with you on using a boring bar. Cheers, Cliff
@bigbattenbergАй бұрын
@@Threadexpress hmm why not use a boring bar? CBN is the hot ticket IMO and does not generate grinding dust obviously.
@ThreadexpressАй бұрын
@@bigbattenberg For intermittent cuts grinding is the best option. Cheers, Cliff
@leonelalaniz1758 ай бұрын
Who doing this, wouldn't know this 🤔
@evanlewis6522 жыл бұрын
What do you think of Winki's Workshop method? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h7uSp62Czb_TnoU.html Looks a but quicker. Surprisingly his carbide tips didn't object to intermittent cutting of hard material using very light cuts.
@Threadexpress2 жыл бұрын
Hi Evan. Yes I saw that video. The problem with closing on to side spacers is that it can displace the jaws into a different sideways clearance position than normal. Using carbide it is difficult to take the absolute minimum off and get a perfect cut. Cheers Cliff
@bigbattenbergАй бұрын
Machining a groove in your (hardened) jaws is overly complicated. i found a better way, thanks you a YT comment, credits where credits are due. I made a blog post on the topic. Sharing on YT of URLs seem pretty much impossible, so if you are interested please drop me a line.
@ThreadexpressАй бұрын
Yes, there is a side pinching method, but that is not so accurate as it can displace the jaws unevenly sideways, Cheers, Cliff
@bigbattenbergАй бұрын
@@Threadexpress Why are you assuming it's the pinching method?
@ThreadexpressАй бұрын
@@bigbattenberg If not, please describe it. Cheers.
@bigbattenbergАй бұрын
@@Threadexpress I offered to share it but your reactions are telling enough, so fine, be that way.
@ThreadexpressАй бұрын
@@bigbattenberg You misunderstand me. The two methods I know of that avoid machining the jaws are the side pinching blocks and using a ring that bears on the jaw's bevels, but both these methods can displace the jaws within their clearance sideways. If your method is different, please describe it so we can all benefit. Cheers