Yeah but what are the two private videos surrounding it 😮😯

Ha

Also I don't care if it's a beef history or a best y'all got to do something on John McEnroe

Your headline is inaccurate Floyd's Landis (won) the tour if you are saying lance did

David Walsh is Irish, not British. Though he was working with a British paper at the time of his investigations into Lance's activities.

Greg lemond was beating convicted dopers by minutes. You're stupid if u think he cares about the sport being clean. Is all about the money and everyone went after lance because he had the money.

Lemond is also a doper, he used to sleep with a doctor by his bed so he wouldn’t die at night from so much EPO use

@@kaimeyers5145 lets be honest eveyone in the top 20 of most professional sports dope

@@kaimeyers5145 EPO came AFTER LeMond's Tour wins. And the part about a doctor being next to him at night? Moronic. But your comment makes me curious as to your motives to slander LeMond. Why would anyone bother making outrageous lies about LeMond to defend Armstrong????

@@dogguy8603 In cycling. But if you look at athletics both track and field world records rarely get broken. The womens 100, 200, 400 and 800 world records are still from the 80s from Eastern European countries. For example in the 400m women dont even remotely get close to the world record. I'm talking almost 2 seconds slower than the world record and 1.5-2 seconds over a short distance like 400m is HUGE. It will be decades before the womens 400m is broken. Whatever doping that is done by athletes today is on a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller scale than what Eastern Europeans did in the 80s.

I did not think I could dislike Armstrong more, but here we are. Whatva terrible human.

Greg the good person had to get sued by the doctors that saved his life (and lost) as he did not want to pay his medical bills

@@jenspetersen5865 ouch. that sux

Yeah, the documentary called All or nothing is really good at explaining the beef also. Great video.

@@jenspetersen5865 So what exactly is your point? Armstrong's a better person cus he lied to get money to pay his doctors.

And Lemond's lung capacity was ridiculous. 90 something!?

Are you stupid? Do you realize blood transfusions have the sake effect as epo and people were already doing those in lemonds time. All the Spanish riders were doing transfusions and you think lemond was beating them on bread and water? Get your head out your ass bro🤣

@@athousandpins lung capacity has nothing to do with endurance. What matters is your ability to turn that oxygen into power. You probably think Indurain was natural too lol.

@@abone2pick I’m definitely not stupid. Naive perhaps. Lemond had a vo2 max of 93 vs 78 for Lance. He states clearly that he never produced more than 400 watts. His accomplishments are mathematically possible. My question to you is where is the evidence and accusations of Lemond blood doping? Someone always comes out with a credible accusation. If Lemond was already cheating, why didn’t he start using EPO?

@@abone2pick greg indurain merx you name them.... just as clean as Lance. peoples heads are in the sand on this one. They simply need to reinstate Lances wins, other wise the sport remains a joke.

Wow, what a great video young lady... makes me feel more proud to be an American....to see the true coming out thanks to the Greg Lemond after so much time.... He is a Hero period!!!!

Yeah I remember meeting Greg after a mountain stage at the coors classic in reno.I was a young puppy but what I remember of all the riders who just nonchalantly signed a autograph Not.Greg when Signing my little kids cap looked me in the eye & held it for a second.As a fellow northern nevadan he should be way more appreciated here.Screw that ahole from Austin.Greg was all class.

I don't think people understand what may have happened to Greg. The blood banking system was down because it appeared to be causing AIDS. I designed the instrument that allowed Dr Kary Mullis to use his PCR chemistry and that was used to detect HIV. So Greg could not obtain a transfusion when he needed it. When he started racing again he was a mess. He then claimed that his doctor told him that he was low on iron and supposedly received iron shots and in the Tour he looked like a miracle. At the same time synthetic EPO was developed and it is possible that he gave Greg EPO. Now that would have been the prescription for his condition and I would not consider it cheating. But you have to remember that Greg hammers on Lance for using EPO. And Lance is one of the all time great egotists and worked very hard against Greg and his interests. So I think that Greg is carrying far too great a grudge against Lance and should let it slide because he could have been using the same materials as Lance, knowingly or not.

@@tomkunich9401 Soooo, what you're saying, Greg "might" have used EPO as a medication temporarily but he shouldn't hold a grudge against someone who willingly and purposefully used it to get them an advantage over the competition? 🤨 I might not get it correctly, so please correct me if I'm wrong

Darien James 🤣🤣

@@MrDani695 - Drugs of one sort or another have been used in every athletic endeavour since the start of the 20th century. Do you think that Lance was some sort of oddity? I'm of the opinion that they really don't do much and they can cause health problems. The answer isn't banning cheaters but having testing procedures that catch them 100% of the time.

Daniel Commandeur You’re getting plenty wrong. Cycling is one of the dirtiest “sports” ever. All of them are on it. The Americans, the Europeans. All of them.

The guy he beat, Laurent Fignon, had a ponytail. If he didn’t he would have won. Think about that.

I can remember watching it live on TV, age 11. It was won in a time trial on the final stage. Had such an affect on methat I took up cycling for my whole youth. He is a living legend.

Another fun fact: legendary cycling commentator José de Cauwer was Greg's team leader and nagged the jury about using time trial bars the night before the final time trial. They allowed it. If he didn't, he would have never won

@@onnomeeuwis4001 I can remember how much the French press hated them claiming they were dangerous. And the same summer everyone at my local cycling club who could afford them would buy a pair, 'Scott' Triathelon bars. Because Triatheletes where the to use them.

To this day that tour is still by far my favorite. That rivalry was epic between Lemond and Fignon. I must admit I enjoyed the Lance Armstrong days of cycling. He was inhuman, a titan....until we found out he was cheating do achieve that level of capability. However, even before I knew about the cheating, Lemond was still by far my favorite of the two riders. Lemond's grace and love of the sport eclipsed Armstrong in so many ways. I always hated how the cycling world turned on him.

He's dirty too, get over it.

@@zym6687 Evidence?

@@Lerch-zc3ww do you really believe there was something magical happening between 1978 and 1995 when hinault, le mond and indurain reigned? Like suddenly the riders all just stopped doping cause they got together in a room and decided it was bad.... Or rather that they just lived in a time when they were ahead of the establishment and it wasn't till late in Armstrong's era that they finally caught up

@@Phrolox that's possible, being 'ahead of the establishment,' just doubt Lemond wd question LA about 'doping' if he had been a doping himself.

One might have to look at when this EPO was first developed and who were the earliest users. I know something was being used in the '70s, just look at the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Lance: "I'll go down in history as the worst cheater in the history of sport."

Lemond: three time champion Armstrong: zero time champion

Technically one ball

@@rbrobyn1 Our roid up guy beat your roid up guy

@@wvu05 Zero (*) time champion. If not for the stripping, he'd won 7 yellows.

I know right? I've watched all the hockey beefs without even knowing most of the teams in the NHL This is my favorite sports series on KZfaq

I’d agree this one is by far the most intriguing, mostly I think because it’s not one of the big 4

Why don’t you try to watch The Armstrong Lie documentary. It’s awesome.

You should, Cycling is awesome. If you want an American Rider to root for, look up Brandon McNulty, he's an American Supertalent.

definitely agreed

Greg is a little ninny, sourpuss.

Greg was almost certainly doping just like everyone else when he was champion. When EPO came around he had reached the end of his career and wasn't willing to make the health sacrifice it took to continue winning. Over and over we've seen dopers be the most vocal anti-doping advocates as a means to stay relevant past their peak and I've over it.

@@83Henno He's a hell of a lot braver than you'll ever be. ninnys don't win a 3500km race a year after taking a shotgun blast to the chest

@@TheBrainSpecialist exactly

THE BRAIN SPECIALIST Armstrong completely destroyed him in every facet of life

I did

A lot of people knew. And for the record, anyone that was competitive during that time was doping.

Greg was a jelly fish

Greg Lemmon a profesional forever and ever 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉

I believed him. Not because I was such a huge fan (though I was); Lemond was the ONLY rider who advocated for increased doping controls WHILE HE WAS WINNING.

Totally agree think the stripping of his titles isn’t just because of the doping but he was a real bully and wasn’t just a coping bystander but he was a pioneer in doping cycling which is a shame because he’s top ten all time cyclists

No, it was not a level playing field. Yes, pretty much everyone on the tour was doping at the time, but some people respond differently to PED, and he had the most sophisticated doping program. To give him any credit with the "everybody does it" excuse is absurd.

@@wvu05 So cheating like everyone else would have been OK in your book ?? If your going to cheat; cheat to win and the notion that he cheated different and so that was "real" cheating as compared to "just" cheating like the rest is what's absurd. The idea that everyone responds different is true; again not his fault is he reacted better than anyone and ended up winning. In my opinion the cycling world didn't like the fact he trained for 1 race every year. He took a American outlook on cycling win the biggest prize and be the best. And yes he did what the rest did take PED's ... cheating is cheating and say there are different "levels" of cheating is sour grapes on your part.

@@bonny2993 Sour grapes on my part? Yes, because I was a cyclist who was mad that he cheated better than me. No, I oppose all cheating, and my point was that the idea of "a level playing field because everyone cheats" is absurd. The only thing that is level is that all who did it are frauds and deserve all the scorn that they get. If they want to show true repentance or uncover the corruption so it won't pollute the sport. Apparently, you would rather spend your time defending frauds and cheats. That says far more about you than it does about me.

@@cameronyoung1473 cheater Lance deserved being stripped of all titles and banned from cycling for life. He took cheating to the top level, and was (and is) a completely corrupt individual.

He has a 30 for 30? Nice.

I think u mean cycling is under-appreciated as a whole. The small percentage of people that are actually into the sport definitely appreciate and celebrate that dude’s career. He just wasn’t the media juggernaut sensation that was Lance Armstrong - who was the only cyclist that broke into the mainstream.

I was hoping there was a movie or something on Greg.

He wasnt drug free by the way.

vetoland92 I don’t know where you are from but I’m from Holland and he’s a god as is Eric Heiden (American speedskater). It’s probably because cycling isn’t a major sport in your country. Where I’m from it’s a way of life.

@Christy Dolan Hmmm maybe I'm speaking from my own experience, but, in Colombia (where cycling is huge) he was BELOVED. When Livestrong started every Colombian city kid had a Livestrong band around their wrist, and they dreamed of becoming Lance Armstrong.

@Christy Dolan He was beloved, a media darling. I loved him too - now his very name throws me into a rage.

@@jorgeeduardodussanvillanue46 How excited is Columbia about Bernal? Congratulations, by the way. Got to see him up close at a Tour of California before it went defunct...

@@dorseykindler9544 We're obviously very excited. The man is a beast, and now that Nairo is clearly on the decline he is our new hero. Everyone is routing for him and I was so excited to see him compete this year but well, COVID-19 happened. Still he has an amazing future, he reached the height of a TDF win and he is extremely young and disciplined. His head is in the right place, and he is a complete inspiration. Also, little detail, it's Colombia* not Columbia ;)

@@jorgeeduardodussanvillanue46 My mistake. Cheers!

Right on !!! & times TDF winner .

LOL

This video is a complete joke and lemons was not natural

@@apexridersreview1752 lol@lemons

Too Buzzfeed-ish for me

I was looking for this comment! LOL

My first impression of her was that Kevin Garnett video in which she was... unreasonably mean towards KG. Which, I guess, is fair, considering how he acted on the court, but... idk, felt awkward.

It’s her or Seth only for me. Beef History, Rewinder and Collapse

Disagree. Voice too nasely. Sorry but put someone else behind the mic

Yeah this is probably one of the worst. The "sarcasm" or attempts at them sound like a book on tape.

@@BT-gf2ze agreed

He did win one stage of the tour in 93 that still in the books so don't be too happy either.

@@abone2pick I'm talking wins, my man. I'm still feeling good.

@@lovelessissimo you shouldn't. Lance still a national champ from 91 and world champ from 93,. What have you accomplished?

@@abone2pick So how many overall Tour De France titles does Armstrong have?

@Jackson Five lmao no One talking to you boy . Go find attention somewhere else

Donovan Pimentel they need more Clara videos!!

What? This is her commenting ain't a soul in this world that likes her narrative crap.

@@utrube She's honestly the best of the SB narrators. This is not saying the others are bad. The nerdy, wit style takes a bit getting used to, but so far it's been damn good work.

@@utrube I don't want to push you into the sexist corner, but I enjoyed this episode a lot, completely independent from her being a women.

On the first video she hosted I left a comment saying I loved her witty humor and would love to see more of her. I like to think sb nation saw that comment and did as I asked

Disagree

@@proudpennsylvaniaman7996 Hard Disagree

I agree she was amaaaazing

isnt everything written by someone else though? she is just the narrator

Cancer recovered from having Lance Armstrong.

@@GinkgoPete I LOL reading that!

Brilliant joke! I wish I came up with that one! Bravo!

Hahaha good one

Yo ! Crazy funny statement !

Yeah, I love Clara and I love Beef History and I love SB Nation videos, but that's a pretty glaring oversight right off the bat.

i remember watching that stage live, it was unbelievable. he was literally superhuman, riding past other elite riders on climbs like they were standing still. in particular i remember seeing the look in the other riders' eyes as he smoked them all, the bug eyed disbelief. landis was probably the domino that finally needed to fall to give the sport the will to end doping - a reigning winner caught red handed and green blooded.

Especially since Landis lost huge amount of time the previous stage. All sudden BOOM he's not only he's making up time, he's destroying the pack.

@@kicking222 I think for the sake of brevity, they glossed over his part. But you are right, it was an important part of the story. The full story of LeMond v Armstrong would need an hour plus.

So, the thing with that is, Landis effectively was riding that race under protest. They pinged him on Stage 17, so unlike, Armstrong, or Riis, or Contador they had him nailed while the race was still underway. It was like, he was out, but in case the test turned out wrong, it'd be weird to have have cost the winner his chance at a title.

I was too young to be around when this story happened but old enough to hear people talk about it and not know what was going on. This seriously has been eye opening.

Brainjock well he was right so...

It was thrilling to watch, & I’m not a cyclist. My stepfather is, & was a fan of Fignon, but I was secretly rooting for Greg👍🏻

Agreed! Wish they made a show about the Badger.

@@bruhmagic1323 badgers don't ride bikes...they run on all 4's in the wild..but seeing a badger on a bike would get me watching cycling

@@mrimportant4787 Can’t tell if this is a joke or not. I think it is...😂

@@bruhmagic1323 lol...what do u think?go with your gut

@@mrimportant4787 definitely a joke.

She’s easy on the eyes too

Would be even better if she could pronounce the name of the race properly instead of mixing French and English

I remember I used to rock those sunglasses that they made

I still wear one.

Every one was a dollar raised for cancer research

Had one still want one now lol

Mines is in a junk drawer somewhere.

The infamous 1989 final stage time trial, where Lemond had such a legendary time trial, and basically introduced aero helmets and aero bars to road cycling, that he made the final day of the tour a real edge of your seat event, and won on the final day. Something almost no one else has done. It would be an amazing Rewinder episode to go with Phil Liggett's "THE CROWD HAS REALIZED IT, LAURENT FIGNON HAS LOST THE TOUR DE FRANCE" call.

The “Huh, weird” about Lance’s career taking off with the advent of EPO lol

I suggested this last year. Everyone told me it isn't accurate all because he retired before getting exposed

He doesn't deserve one

why his collapse would include his entire pro career since he cheated his entire career

I mean they could put an interesting take on it like instead of it being about his career it's about how things came out and what was said about him to ruin his career even stuff like how he refuted it at first

@@darianmonaghan4920 more like his entire life, since he's pretty much black listed from every organization, even his own non-profit organization that he started.

That was one of my favorite comments ever on KZfaq. So many people were huge Lance fans and still fully support him and look past his cheating. Or just make lame excuses for him. You on the other hand appreciate some good he did for you and others but admit what he did was wrong. It's kinda a refreshing comment to read because I'd agree 100% with it.

As a Colombian I hope Egan doesn't dope, but he's signed by INEOS so he's probably gonna develop gills soon. Still, it's a great sport but doping is just basically second nature on it. It's sad. Also yeah LeMond is a beast, I admire him deeply.

mmmh that's highly unlikely haha

bongo 155 has it right. Cadel Evans was clean. lrony is the same people/person hired both Lance and Cadel to their first pro contracts. Lance with Motorola and Cadel with Volvo/Canondale for mountain biking. One the greatest cheater and fraud in all of sport, the other a champion in two sports with tremendous integrity while all of his competition was cheating and he knew it.

Do we know this for sure...?! That's what we say about all the other dopers who never got caught...!🤔

Likely Sastre was clean too.

The “public diarrhea” bit lolol

Yes, yes he did. Also, lest us never forget, Average Joes never would have won without Chuck Norris! Thank you again Chuck!

Man that scene did not age well

Rich Affinito I’m with you guys it’s actually the number one scene in the movie that I remember now, because of everything that happened.

He was also in Tour De Pharmacy.

He even cheated in Dodgeball because he only had one ball to dodge!

LMFAOOOOOOOO BILLY

Ol Billy Red Balls

he raced in armstrongs team so they had the infrastructure

@True Gooner That is the angle that Armstrong supporters still use. But I would say that all it proves is who has the best pharmacist and dr (in his case, Ferrari)

@True Gooner it would. There's nothing wrong with allowing doping in sports.

@@endcensorship874 right, because Lance, or Fabian, or anyone else, had not a single inch of skill? It was all doping?

True Gooner sort of, but not really. Because certain teams had better access to the best doping programs. The postal service had more money, so it was way easier to do the best and most efficient EPO, and avoid being caught. So it’s not truly a level playing field. But it’s still insane lance didn’t crash out or have a single bad day over 7 straight years.

Why ?

Lemond literally made money off attacking lance with all those stupid books and movies him and David Walsh did on him🤣 notice how lemond never attacked anyone else that was doping ... Just the guy with money.

And unceremoniously dumped her (coincidentally, she had cancer) to date the one of the blond twins... don't remember the name now. High life indeed!

@@tychoMX No, his first wife left him while he was dying.

*Sheryl

Pretty “nut” huh?

Astana and beef. Russian athletes and beef. And so on

Vroome and Inhaler

@@9034833838 Movistar and a coherent strategic approach

@@MatthiasG1899 Let's wait 4-5 years. Its gonna turn out movistar was good but valverde was sucking life force out of landa and nairoman and hence they bombed.

Team RadioShack and beef

I’ve always found the frequency of asthma among the cycling elite to be rather curious.

I caught that.

Same thing

oh ok. yippee doo!!!

Gonna chime in with a "technically", here - if he's writing for a British paper, that would make him a British journalist in one sense of the word, as he is participating in British journalism. If he were in America writing for the New York Times, by one usage of the word he would be an American journalist. I'm not disagreeing that it could have been made more clear, and I can't guarantee that Clara recognized that Walsh was Irish, but it's not 100% incorrect.

@@roguishpaladin Emmmm.... does that follow that if Greg LeMond was riding for a French Cycling Team it would make him a French Cyclist, so as a French Cyclist riding for a French team, when he won the Tour de France, it would have made him a French Winner ??.... LeMond kinda sounds French anyway...... Then again, if Armstrong was riding for The US Postal Service.... that would have made him a Postman....

That does sound exciting The beef has a promising outset but I think that's going to be a while

We got a loooooooooooooooot of beef ahead of us in that

There’s not a whole lot there tho

It's simmering 😁 But it will be served up hot!

You mean the guy who said that taking off from the free throw line and dunking the basketball takes no skill ?.

Yes he would have been the best "clean" bicycle rider ever.

Yes!

please no

"The Chicago Bears' Double Doink Needs a Deep Rewind"

musyarofah1 im begging u :(

Yeah people think giannis is all soft and nice but nah he's got a bit of bite

Please we need to give the nba beef time to cultivate. These are the best

Love the optimism that these will still be happening in... 10 years?

jazziraz I would love that, but also I would cry 😭

They already have a Legacy of Failure vid, watch that :P

Ouch.

Jon Boris got u

Contador v Armstrong or Contador v Schleck, both excellent beefs

@@bistian00 Contador v Schleck.