Fair points for sure, though I still feel S tier for Glorfindel, he can two hand to make up that killing power, and with fight 7 he'll still likely win that fight. He also offers a slightly cheaper power house for Rivendell, meaning you can take him and Cirdan pretty easily and not pay too much more than Gilly or Elrond and get the huge benefits of those two together -Liam

Merry Christmas brother. Glad your loving the series, we are enjoying making them and have no intention of stopping them. -Sean

It's an amazing list. -Sean

Glad you're keen mate! Really makes our day! -Liam

Thanks mate! Might have to make that red alliance one day hahaha -Liam

Well at least it's a good way to start the morning! -Liam

Elladan is just the superior Brother in all respects, especially profile. -Sean

I love Erestor, very keen to run him my next Riv list! He's just such a solid state line! Didn't know Galadriel had strike mate 😂 -Liam

@@NoobsandMen Lady of light my friend.

We have 3 currently being edited, so get excited -sean

Scrap the small hero with march don't build your list around March. I very rarely if ever build my list around having a hero with march in it (useful but overated). If a hero I choose happens to have march then hey that cool but even then odds are it never gets used unless I'm in a tight spot. You could very easily run a Rivendell list with elrond and the twins and then spam riv knights or just run an all foot Rivendell (you don't always need mounted heros). 90% of the time a Rivendell list will have low numbers so your not gonna be maxing out warbands. My usually Rivendell list builds, 600pts and up start with elrond and the twins and then I bring in glorf as the pts lvl increase. -Sean

March is great don't listen to him. Honestly I'd happily run one of them as the army leader, they can do a lot of damage themselves and then add someone like a captain or Erestor or Cirdan, rather than blow so many points on an Elrond or Gilly or Glorfindel. -Liam

That's the joke mate 😂

We split the Twins as a dumb joke cause they have the exact same profile. Glorf would be crazy if he had blood and glory, he kill a balrog so surely he should have it. -Sean

@@NoobsandMen touching on your elf magic. I think from now on having Cirdan in a list with the other top three is just a must. I've had a fair bit of luck with him being in the list he just gives the elves so much with both of his Auras going at the same time. I'm going to take your recommendation of two elf banners now and give it a crack.

He really does bring so much to the list as a support hero Also two banners is absolutely golden at higher points, keen to hear what you think there -Liam

@@NoobsandMen I'll try and keep you posted.

Mate, don't worry we didn't take it as a disrespectful. We very much enjoy and wanna hear about everyone's thoughts and opinions within the game. That is why we do these videos, to spark a conversation. Keep the comments coming especially if you disagree with any of our placements. Hope you continue to enjoy these very silly and chaotic videos we are making. -Sean

Oh mate any Rivendell knight list is an absolute pain to go up against, I 100% feel ya. I was lucky to Draw a game against a Rivendell knight list on the top table of a tournament, but sweet Jesus was it a task. -Sean

Oh yeah those guys are turning up for sure! -Liam

Yeah man you can use elronds renew on gil galad. Thought I'd probably want access to wrath of the bruinen more. -Sean

We kind of touch on Rivendell at lower points but it is hard, low points riv Knights is still viable, if a little more cheesy as you have to kite your opponent much more with bow fire. You could also take Erestor and Cirdan, relying on Aura of Dismay to stop you opponent from counter charging and letting you pick your fights much better. Or you could attempt an all hero list, very risky but can also be very killy. Gilly and magic is a little more difficult but given his access to blood and Glory and that his might is rarely going to be used on strikes and what not, don't be afraid to use heroic resolve if you're in a position that you think magic will mess you up, it's not the greatest defence against magic but it does give you a better chance overall -Liam

@@NoobsandMen Thanks for the detailed answer. Is Cirdan, Erestor and a 3rd hero really any better than just 2 heroes?

Depends on the heroes you pick really, at 500 you really have to be careful you're not spending all your points on heroes, roughly 1/3rd is where I like to sit but with Rivendell you're likely hitting half your points on heroes alone which really drops your troop numbers a lot. -Liam

Fair enough, I think he brings a little better value for an incredible statline. I also appreciate he's a hero that can easily go toe to toe with Azog or Bolg who are two heroes I hate with a burning passion 😅 -Liam

Mate I feel your pain, there Gilly and elrond are a deadly combo and a hard nut to crack. -sean

What do you mean by that first part mate?

@@NoobsandMen my guess would be a tier list rating each Army, as in is Khazad Dum a-tier or b-tier?

Still would make sense some stayed with him, tho there isn't any heroes in either of those armies that would make sense to lead any of their forces, maybe just captains or something -Liam

@@NoobsandMen Maybe a legendary Legion of Galadhrim and Mirkwood (Greenwood) if they release Amroth and Oropher like they did Helm Hammerhand. That would be cool!

But GW have gone out if their way to bring book characters into the game like Imrahil and the twins for example or whoe factions like Wosers and Khand. This game is has always been a mix between books and movies -Liam

@@NoobsandMen The "Warriors of the Last Alliance" sprues are from the original FotR box game release in 2001 and they seem to be hesitant to add anything to it for some reason. Maybe they don't have the rights to the Second Age except what's explicitly in the movie or something.

I don't think they've updated or added a single Second Age model since that original release.

Believe me we're aware hahaha doesn't mean that when they updated and added the alliance matrix that they couldn't have had a more diverse alliance with those models and factions in mind!

He's too oooollld hahaha yeah nah it's a little silly that he isn't -Liam

Tough choices mate. Both are great armies. If you can't decide go with rule of cool, choice the models you think are the most interesting as that will help you get through the painting side of it aswell. -Sean.

Yeah the whole 1 fate/ 0 fate cause they died thing is just all over the shop haha I'm 100% with ya mate -Sean

Hill make a showing soon enough. -Sean

Considering he was the one to sell me the PJ party because he didn't enjoy how it played 😂 -Liam

@@NoobsandMen Cheeky armor simp! Who needs armor when you have elven cloaks, wood elf spears and fight 5? (I will admit I run a mix in my Lothlorien force)

You're* -Sean

fair call dude, not a bad idea -Liam

Yeah the high king of elves just steps down for a battle hahaha

I swear to God I'm going to eventually write a letter about that....

We are definitely lunatics haha -Sean

So many other choices in Rivendell mate, don't know why Arwen would stop ya. But if you did wanna take her she can still put work in, her and elrond in the same army is great, double wrath of bruinen. -Sean

@The Last Alliance of Noobs and Men ah yeah I just really like arwen I was hoping could build a list around her, shame!

@The Last Alliance of Noobs and Men I'm just being silly I really like arwen as a character :D but yeah I agree could always just rock glor or elrond

The problem is that she was really abused early in the edition being put into any army she could be, her and cirdan coped a nerf being made minor heroes meaning they can't lead many troops which really limits your options with them -Liam