Very rare you get shows where the characters trip over their words or stammer like you do in The Office. That's the beauty of the show, everything right down to the dialogue is so believable.

Agree - amazing acting. He does the same sort of thing in the David Brent 'fires' Chris Finch scene, when responding to being accused of the prank.

Leroy Jenkins - I've been on KZfaq since 2006, and I've NEVER read anything as moronic as your comments. I think you must have suffered brain death some time ago, and your body just hasn't caught up yet. You will never be an 'alpha male', and I think you know it. Alpha is about what is best in a man, and you have the mind and wit of a child.

Leroy, to be fair you do seem like a decent bloke. Screw it, the crazy world of KZfaq comments eh? Leroy, Carlo, let's hope 2018 brings us all what we need in the way of relationships.

ForViewingOnly The way you've written this I imagine you're more like David Brent than Tim.

You try summat, and that's...

ForViewingOnly - it's better that you said it at all. And even if we have reasons for saying no (of which could be anything - timing, circumstance, feelings for someone else, whatever), it almost always still feels nice to have someone tell you they care about you. And she was leaving anyway. I say, out of all the circumstances for telling someone you like them, you had the best scenario. It took guts. You won't ever look back and wonder if you missed your chance. And if she likes you at least as a friend, she was probably flattered/touched.

laminage, totally agree

*and Stephen Merchant

@@lupus2614 Yes. They are both wizards. It's a show that made you laugh and even cry. The Scene I never forgot was The Office Special where I thought Dawn had "Married" Lee and had a Baby. They were in The US and they were working under the Table. I liked "this" Version more than the US Version.

Stephen Merchant deserves just as much credit for this show. We've seen the trash Ricky creates without Merchant lol.

Yes and Stephen Merchant…. People act like he did everything.

One of the best Scenes ever not only in The History of UK TV but of The Office Franchise. Did they do similar scenes for other versions of the show.

Yes, they have the rejection scene in the US version. Jim (the version of Tim lolll) spontaneously tells her after 2 seasons of intense and awkward buildup. It's really sad.

@@laminage in the history of uk tv...??? u must be joking.

@@JohnSmith-hk1lx When I said it I meant to say that The UK has overall done some amazing scenes and this was one of them.

Stay strong.

That's what I thought,

@@mrtrolly4184 Even though it is a little bit "fairytale", I feel it is satisfying how the Christmas specials bring some closure to the characters...only for the Brent film to undo all that and present David as the same socially awkward loser he stopped being.

That’s a brilliant allegory

@@billygoat9666it’s neither an allegory nor an analogy. It’s a simile. Saying one thing is ‘like’ another.

It was an original series, not based on a comic. The US version was a remake of this show.

Gregory's Goals I'm pretty sure he means comic as in comedic not based on a comic book

not even top-10

@@JohnSmith-hk1lx gotta hear your top ten then mate.

​@JohnSmith-hk1lx you are on drugs. Its a masterpiece

laminage if she had stayed he wouldn’t have asked though

I don’t understand why she said no. Clearly liked him

@@Oakland510 And Lee was not a good bloke.

@@chogokin666 Obviously Joel is a much better shag. Tim the Fisher Price man with scruffy hair does not stand a chance with a more classy piece of totty even though Dawn needs to lose a few pounds and has an annoying neck mole she should get sliced off.

@@Oakland510 Lee was a much better catch though, and could probably pound her senseless like Tim could never do thus satisfying her sexual needs. Tim could offer her more intellectually but Secretary birds like Dawn think with what is between their legs.

There's nothing wrong with liking the American office.

@@Robert___98 not if you're after a mixture of a sketch show and soap opera

They’re both different shows. The British one is a lot more real life but the US one is very good

Don't worry dude, I asked my self the same. Still,I think The Office UK is miles better than the office us, that show is like a soap opera.

US version sticks to its original premise (being somewhat realistic mockumentary) for the first 3 seasons, after that it becomes just a whacky sitcom. It's a shame tho, I rate those 1-3 seasons as high as the british original (IMHO).

respect the grind

Aren't we confident about something no one knows anything about

How often do we have the perfect words when we need or want them? Usually you're thinking later "if only I'd said......."

"You don't change circumstance" indeed implies he was trying to directly manipulate the circumstance, asking her not to leave.

Well, it doesn't really make sense in the US one. The characters continually acknowledge that they are mic'd up and on a documentary...yet the Casino Night stuff still happens. Do Jim and Pam really seem like the kind of people who would be fine with televising a public confession of love and Pam being unfaithful? The UK version obviously handled it a lot more tactfully and realistically.

Yes

They did change the name from Tim to Jim. So creative

Ego Geo you got that from the office snl sketch

They start off exactly the same (because the first US Office episode is basically identical to the British one) and their overall arcs roughly match the British version. But the characters turn out differently in lots of ways. They have to, because Tim and Dawn are so thoroughly British in personality and mannerisms. If they'd made Jim and Pam that way it wouldn't have felt authentic.

McD5791 yea

fowardslash gii I mean doing it where the sound drops out.

because it was so against the 'vibe' of the US version. Jim and Pam were friends and although Pam was dating that other guy, it was pretty obvious she liked Jim and they would end up together, so muting them would have been really weird. Tim and Dawn had a much more bittersweet relationship and it was a lot more complicated and unknown, which was represented in this scene I think.

Well, they did recreate this when Jim finds out Pam is pregnant

...and also when Pam says goodbye to Michael at the airport. Michael removed the sound pac going in and Pam was unmic'ed.

Did you realise that his daughter played Dawn?! Strange coincidence that you should compare this scene to his comedy!

no he probably asked her to stay - no adult would just tell someone they loved them outright like that

@Hugh Jones Trying out some new vocabulary, eh? Good for you. Just be careful of malapropism.

Will give it a try!

Well said. She lead him on too only to turn him down when he finally has the balls to tell her what she already knows, they are both madly in love with each other but she won't leave Lee.

i think youre oversimplifying the situation by looking at it purely through tim's perspective and not dawn's. yes she likes him, but she's with someone- and it's a serious relationship at that. it's not easy to break up a relationship with a history just bc you have a crush on a coworker. also keep dawn's personality in mind, she's not the kind of person to just say "yes, fuck it! let's date" what made this show great was how real it was. dawn getting together with tim cheapens that

@@mr.manes88 maybe don't fell for someone else when in a serious relationship.

@@wesleyyu1394 what incredibly brilliant advice

After 18 years, this had never occurred to me before and is a great observation. I would come back however with the fact that Dawn may not have been aware that Tim had split with Rachel so she probably thought it best to just let him go, coupled with the fact that she was emigrating to America with Lee. Obviously she didn’t love Lee but they were still engaged and maybe she decided ultimately was wrong to keep leading Tim on and a clean break was in order. We’ll never know what was said in the meeting room and to be honest, I don’t think even Lucie Davis or Martin Freeman knew as we barely saw them actually speaking. Dawn and Tim are clearly the nicer, more well adjusted characters in the entire show but it just goes to show even decent people like them make poor decisions sometimes. Such a great scene though.

sheeny In What way is he not that nice?

It's an incredible scene, but Dawn just seems so weak-minded at this point in the show. It's a shame, because she's making a fool of Tim and herself. Yes, it's realistic in a way, but leaving for America with Lee? That's a BIG decision, and I think she was only set on doing that when she thought Tim had moved on (with Rachel)

@Ali O'Neal Everyone knew that Lee was a controlling, childish prick, who could think of nobody but himself. Tim and Dawn loved each other. She knew deep down that she was making a mistake with Lee. So, Tim wasn't a douche. He genuinely cared for Dawn and was in love with her. Lee was too into himself to even realise that Dawn had brilliant artistic talent He couldn't care less about Dawn's dream of becoming an an artist. And, in the end, Dawn swept Tim away.

@zada Yeah, I don't know why people would think Tim's nice. He's the usual everyday guy, he can be nice, but he can also be an ass, like most people are. Lee didn't "come in and swoop" Dawn away, she was already with Lee before this.

I've been there twice.

can't you just enjoy something without dragging down other?

Who says everything hasn't to have realism? Reality can be so draining sometimes that people prefer to see exaggeration or imagery through media as opposed to realism. Both have their places as art forms....

No. It wouldn't. They would probably have an equally good scene for this.

@harrydrake173 So TRUE. US version is not a patch on the UK one. US one is unfunny and corny. They over do everything.

People are often scared to make big changes to their lives. If Dawn told Tim she loved him, she would need to break up with Lee and change her plans to move. Part of her is too scared to do that, so she just says no instead.

I'm not gayyyyyy

Oh boy can’t wait for a million people to prove you wrong

@Hugh Jones a) as a fan of The Office, I've seen this episode several times and at no point does Tim say that he told Dawn he loves her b) even if he DID tell Dawn he loves her, then why would the caption for this clip be "&other stuff we don't know"? c) again, even if he DID tell Dawn he loves her, then that's not in this clip anyway. If I clicked on a video about "Messi's ten best ever goals", I wouldn't expect the clip to not show any goals and then for someone to say "watch all the games he's played in". If the caption says that Tim tell Dawn he loves her, we should see Tim telling Dawn he loves her in the clip. We don't.

@Karl Hinze In the Christmas Special he mentions that he asked her out twice (this presumably being the second time). Maybe he didn’t literally say “I love you” but it’s at least heavily implied that he’s expressing some degree of romantic interest in her.

I read an interview with Lucy Davis (in the brilliant, much-missed Word magazine) where she said they played a totally straight bar and that Martin/Tim told her/Dawn that he loved her. She said there was no point being nonsensical about it and saying “Do you want a piece of cake?” or something daft because that wouldn’t inform his emotions immediately afterwards. Great acting all round.

I know but it kinda of adds to the feel and I think it makes it better

It’s supposed to be a documentary about working at an office, it has to feel real. We don’t need to know all the intricate details of character’s lives, if we did then the whole concept wouldn’t feel real. British programmes’ magic is in their subtlety.

Late comment but I feel like they made it pretty obvious that Tim was depressed and unsatisfied with life throughout the show, part of that definitely had to do with the job though.

I know, it's so sad to see Dawn reject him and stay with an utter dick. But, Tom didn't love Rachel. He was in love with Dawn.

Rachel was up herself. Tim fancied her but he didn't really like her.

@@vordman No she wasn't! She was lovely, and clearly in love with Tim. Which is presumably why, by the final Christmas specials, she'd left the job she loved - heartbroken.

I love how on topic this is :'D

And?

You got to be kidding!!!

The Office 9.9/10 The US Version 4/10. Some of my best comedy shows are from the US but these two are poles apart and the original is far superior.

^that's b8, m8s

In the US version, Dunder-Mifflin is portrayed as a really fun place to work that’s filled with dozens of zany characters who you’d love to hang out with... this completely misses the point of the original version.

haha

There's no need to compare. Christ

no Tim is

Lucy is gorgeous.

UK version never overstayed its welcome!!