Yeah, they didn't do themselves any favors when going with Metabo HPT. They had two brands and instead of unifying under a single brand, they went with two brands still???

I agree. I've got every line of tools... they're becoming my go to.

I agree Jim! And thank you!

@@user-ii8dz4vu7n I agree. Most of the time you are just getting a stock bag and this actually has some helpful storage.

Yeah I love the Triple hammer you mention. For me the bolts just take on that and refine it a little more.

It’s nice and for the price seems like and easy decision.

Glad you liked it.

is your noodle smaller than average too??

@@snakesonn3590 ha ha. No complaints from yo Mamma so far.

@@is5032 good to hear. Please let me know if anything changes

Glad to hear you like it! It's a great tool IMO.

I just looked up at that model and nothing about its spec shout professional. It’s hard to believe they would sell just give. That there other impacts are relatively inexpensive.

All the brands still make a low cost brushed model

@@histguy101 agreed, it's just weird they introduced it less than a year ago. Most pro brands' brushed offerings are several years old

Got the og 36v . Not upgrading any time soon. Perfectly happy

I ran each of the impacts on multivolt batteries. I have run the 18v triple hammer on the smaller batteries but not in any timed tests. And then where applicable the impacts were in Power Mode.

I always use a belt clip on that side so it just feels poorly though out from that stand point. It clearly didn’t stop me from buying the tool though.

@@TinkerWithTools Hadn't thought of that as I rarely use the clips. But I can see how that would be an inconvenience for sure.

What’s your source on a new model? I would be interested in checking it out. As for the collet, I hadn’t thought of that.

Yep. I would suggest this for smaller but still robust fasteners like timberloks. When you get to a big lag bolt for example it’s might be time for a bigger tool.

I always say it's about 90% of the Makita, sometimes at a lesser price.

I haven’t see a lot of crossover between Metabo HPT (Hikoki globally) and the German Metabo. Because of that I don’t think it’s that likely based on history up to this point.

While I think that is a good use case, Metabo HPT's product page will advertise use on longer fasteners as well and then on bolts up to 9/16th of an inch. There is definitely a point where you might be better served with an impact wrench depending on the application, but most modern impacts are capable of driving larger construction fasteners like ledgerloks and timberloks.

They have been on my list for a while. Price and local availability have been the main deterrents at this point.

You're right that I did forget to mention!

I've made a note to try and answer that in a future short. I'll reply again on this comment if I do.

I have nothing concrete to show this, but in my testing the triple hammer does well up until about 5" and then it will start losing out to other impacts in terms of speed. It can still do the job but you sometimes get strange performance. But I love it on small to medium fasteners.

Exactly!

Each material is going to have it's trade-offs. 4x6 has a tendancy to split at times influencing the result, can have different density board to board. No material is perfect but maybe I need to have a test in the future to show the difference in the different testing mediums.

It’s a negligible amount in my opinion.

I’ve never had that experience but there are times where I do decrease the mode to help provide a more controlled drive. That said though, I don’t think the modes on Metabo HPT/hikokis impacts are the easiest to use or understand.

@@TinkerWithTools Yes. I also run M12 and they have 2 speeds which I can manage. With the 4 on the HPT I lose track. Then Boom! that snapped head on a 14 screw and I realize it was too much torque. I mean, that's why I want the HPT sometimes but... anyway, I doubt I'll ever make that mistake again. It is a critical fastener in important furniture and there's no going back. Should have used the Milwaukee...

I really like both the 18v bolt and the 850. Of the Metabo impacts had a quick insert collet I would pick that without a second thought but because of that and my love for just how compact the 850 is, I think they are pretty even.

As for the difference between the 18v and 36v triple hammer, I don’t see real performance benefit from going to a higher voltage on impact drivers. The 18v performs just as well on similar batteries.

@@TinkerWithTools When you mean quick insert call it. Is it just the metabo you have to pull out? Put the bit in pull back out kind of thing instead of one-handed

Yes it doesn’t feature one handed insertion. It’s not the end for the world and honestly might be more personal preference for me than for others.

@@TinkerWithTools Thank you for replying back. I appreciate it. I think I'm going to pick up the wh-18dc I like how it's water resistant also metabo is definitely making some good tools

For me the Metabo is a 90% tool. 90% of the tool I love, I just have a few things that I don’t love. The collet isn’t quick insert. On the original the side control panel was annoying to me since it hides behind the belt clip if it’s installed and it isn’t at all intuitive. And lastly the fwd/rev selector sticks out to far and yeah guess you could say it’s loose or even rattles around a little. Are they deal breakers to me? No but it just reiterates that no tool is perfect.

@@TinkerWithTools The argument can be made that a collet that isn’t quick insert has better bit retention.

I’ve never had issues with that. I find that spade bits are the ones where you run into issues and I don’t love running drill bits in am impact. So for me it’s a trade off that I am willing to risk. I don’t fault people for going a different way.

@@TinkerWithTools I agree with that, and I think that’s probably the one thing that might keep me from loving the Flex. Even the top Flex impact driver is not quick insert.

@@TinkerWithTools I also agree with you about using a spade bit in an impact driver. I don’t think they’re meant for drilling, period, but I believe it was a spade bit that caused the 887 to smoke in a few videos. Many people still swear that the 887 is one of the best impact drivers.

Same!

They are more refined in general.

Yeah. The testing as a whole had some inconsistencies but in the end it was faster. But each of the triple hammers won at least one test.

I’m seeing that now. I don’t know if I am ready to grab it right now but if I do you will see a video about it for sure.

@@TinkerWithTools that would be awesome can't wait to see it tested, there's not very many good tool test channels left I appreciate what you do. I've gotten more than a few tools on your recommendation and didn't regret it.

Glad it has been helpful. I want to review every tool but it's hard to balance spending with budget when the release a bunch of tools in quick succession.

@@TinkerWithTools I get it. I hide my new stuff from my wife 🤷🤷🤷

​@@TinkerWithToolsI just seen ACME tools carries it, they must have just added it to the inventory not long ago they didn't have it before. There's a coupon code on there for 10% off, knocks 30 bucks off. Figured I'd let you know if that entices you, myself I'm trying to figure out if I'm trying to talk myself out of it or talk myself into it😅

you aren't wrong when you say it has some quirks. But for some reason, especially on smaller and even medium size fasteners (4-5" maybe) I still think it's one of the nicer impacts to use. Coincidentally, the 40v makita also loses out to its 18v brothers in testing. I just don't think that Impact Drivers really benefit from the higher voltage like drills or other higher draw tools do.

@@TinkerWithTools . Ain't nothin' wrong with having a few quirks. I enjoy the vids, man. Its appreciated.

Okay, trying to unpack each question so let me know if I miss one. The triple hammer is a nicer, more versatile impact driver. I really like it up to a certain size of fastener (5-6 inches and below really). It has better lighting, the different modes, etc. The impact in the 130 kit surprised me and if it's all you know, it's not a bad impact. The drill in that kit thought, I actually really like. If the money is something you can swing, it is the nice combo to get the drill and the triple hammer, but if you would rather not spend the money, the $130 kit isn't terrible. If I have learned anything about Metabo HPT, it's that once you have batteries and chargers, you can typically swing some deals and sales to deepen your commitment to the platform in a more price effective way than other brands. As for IP56. It's a rating system that rates tools on their protection against the ingress of water and dust. There are videos out there when you can see how this is tested but basically, some rain on it won't kill the tool. I have seen people dunk it in a bucket of water, but I would necessarily recommend that.

Thanks for your reply again. I feel like maybe I'm asking too many questions here (lol), so I just wanted to let you know I've reached a decision on what to buy. And it is all thanks to your videos. At first, I wanted the M18 compact drill kit. Then I got curious about the MHPT from your video and researched it. I soon learned that the value on the kits is simply unbeatable. It seems like Metabo HPT is just a SMALL step below the big 3 in quality/design/reliability and perhaps near equal in performance. So for the prices, none of the big 3 come anywhere close in terms of value. So. I have decided to get the drill driver kit (no impact, two 2.0Ah's, charger, bag) for $99 from CPO Outlet. Why there? I found a $10 off coupon to use, bringing the pre-tax total to $89 w/ free shipping. AND, I will also buy the Triple Hammer Bolt kit (two more 2.0Ah's, upgraded FAN charger, and hard case) for $179 from Lowe's. Best coupon I can find for Lowe's is $5 off (lol), bringing the pre-tax total to $174 (free ship). So all total, before taxes I'm in it for $263 before taxes. So around $280 total. But look at everything I will get. A very nice drill, possibly the BEST impact (for the money) on the market, FOUR 2.0Ah batteries, a basic charger, a FAN charger, tool bag, AND a hard plastic carrying case. Dewalt, Milwaukee, or Makita can't come anywhere near that in terms of value. People are sleeping on Metabo HPT/Hitachi. Let them sleep. The smart people will get the best deal from team green because of their blind addiction to mustard and ketchup. And... whatever food is teal in color.

No worries about the questions. Just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss any. The one piece of advice I’ll give is to eventually get yourself some of the multivolt batteries. You can score them for cheap and they really make the drill and impact run better. Great for tougher jobs.

Yes it’s he only company that is using it that I am aware of. I think that it has its strengths and weaknesses but after seeing a number of people rave about it online I wanted to try it and I have not been disappointed by it.

Yes it is.

I just got the kit. I’m disappointed in the way the advertise these. The pics make it look like all multivolt accepts the ac adapter but as far as I know they only work for the 36v tools. It’s the only reason I could see moving up to the dedicated 36v. But nice vid. I’m very happy with Metabo hpt. Never been disappointed with a purchase

@@TinkerWithTools also of note. My kit came with 3 ah batteries. Wonder if they’d make a difference outside of runtime. Doubtful

You are correct. Metabo HPT makes 18 and 36v tools. The 18v tools accept all Metabo HPT batteries. 36v tools only accept the multi-volt batteries. The AC Adapter only is for the 36v tools.

I think that the 3ah batteries will make a bit of difference. If you could do 100 screws on a 2ah, I would expect something closer to 150 on a 3ah (fictional example of course)

I've seen the video. The reasons why I like Triple Hammer don't necessarily have to do with the fact that it has a different hammering mechanism but more than it's a nice impact driver to use. I do find that I like using most with small to medium length fasterners and not a large lag. But more it's has a smooth operation compared to some other impact drivers. It won't be for everyone but I think it has a surprising large number of users that swear by it.

​@@TinkerWithToolsAgreed, the trigger alone feels completely different to a DeWalt or kobalt or skil to me. The Metabo HPT Trigger is so smooth and effortless.

Way to be a supporter!

Yeah Makita in the US market is certainly not gaining traction at the moment.

Haha a Nick Fuentes supporter here? How's Nick? I don't watch the news anymore. May God bless that gentleman.

Metabo HPT is a Japanese company previously known as hitachi and also known as Hikoki in territories other than North America. Metabo without the HPT is a German company that is owned by the same parent holding company as Metabo HPT/hikoki.

@TinkerWithTools so why they do all of this headache ??? it's better to have only one name like Milwaukee all over the world and that's it !!! why they do this ???

I thought it was a bad idea at the time that they did it. In my opinion, they should've just gone Hikoki for this brand everywhere instead of Metabo HPT/Hikoki but they thought Metabo being attached to the name would sell better I guess. Metabo the German company is still it's own company in that they don't share model numbers and such with these other tools or even feature sets, but there are things that I am starting to see the companies share at times. Their drill chucks appear to be the same on their higher end drills for example.

Thanks!

I don’t know if the triple hammer tech is the reason why so many people like the triple hammer. I think it’s a nice impact to use up to a certain point. It will handle timberloks and that type of fastener fine but when it gets to need to much of torque it can behave erraticly.

@@TinkerWithTools true true 👍🙂

TTC tested it and it loses a lot of torque because it does skip on tight fasteners

@@ryu-ken true yeah

Yeah it seems to be a design flaw. They’d probably rather keep the triple hammer marketing than actually fix the problem and make a better tool.

Thanks