Tiny 10 on the P11Z - Will this be the solution?

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Handheld Computing

Handheld Computing

6 ай бұрын

The Sony P11Z runs a first gen Atom CPU making it too slow to run Windows 10, Linux mint faired better but still struggled with media playback so will Tiny 10 revive this ageing hardware and make the P11Z a daily driver? Lets find out!
Tiny 10 2303 x86 - archive.org/de...
Rufus - rufus.ie/en/
Music - No Indication - TrackTribe
#Softmaker

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@SteveMorton
@SteveMorton 6 ай бұрын
I've recently recycled my old Atom Netbooks both only supported 32 bit operating systems and a max of 2GB of RAM, so I rescued the SSD's I had installed in them and repurposed them. In their place I have a 10 year old Macbook Air which would no longer get updates, so I installed the 64 bit version of Linux Mint on it, even with only 4GB of RAM it handles most tasks really well. The battery charger had seen better days, so I found a suitable 3rd party replacement for that, they battery seems in good order but they are available and quite easy to change when the time comes. The screen size/resolution is as good as the Netbooks but I can connect it to an external monitor if needed. I hate having to recycle old computers when they still work, but the Netbooks were from 2009 so I can't really complain, both needed new batteries as well.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Netbooks certainly have had their day and at least you could re-use the SSD. I have found the P11Z pretty useable on Linux so this may be route I take after a factory instal of Vista....
@KOSMOS1701A
@KOSMOS1701A 6 ай бұрын
a nice video, but i felt the music during the install section was a little too loud, i couldn't hear you.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it as it helps make my videos better 😊
@HackCausality
@HackCausality 6 ай бұрын
VLC is a bad choice of media player for this device as it's so CPU-heavy. You should try Media Player Classic.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
I will give that a go!
@xPLAYnOfficial
@xPLAYnOfficial 6 ай бұрын
Your best bet is Linux Mint 19.3 XFCE 32-Bit. I collect Intel Atom devices and I have tried countless operating systems on these especially-weak first-gen Atom devices. Trust me, Pop!OS, Lubuntu, etc. all run WORSE than Mint 19.3 XFCE 32-Bit, as do pretty much all "bespoke" lightweight distros. The reason is because they optimize their OS for the opposite bottleneck that these Atom netbook suffer from.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
That is the version I tried, it was great for office work but video playback was poor. Also had weird issues with MP3s as they played at the wrong speed until I re-encoded them! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLJkh9d1qpPZYJc.html
@xPLAYnOfficial
@xPLAYnOfficial 6 ай бұрын
@@HandheldComputing Try using Enhanced H264ify and disabling 60FPS playback. After some stuttering it actually clears up and a couple minutes later you get watchable 480p content in YT
@MegaTerryNutkins
@MegaTerryNutkins 6 ай бұрын
I did post a comment here previously but it seems like it's been deleted purely for mentioning a brand name, weird stuff! Either way a lightweight Linux with XFCE like Puppy (Jammypup might be the best bet) would probably fly on this. I have fond memories of using 4.2 with old P2/P3 era mini laptops. You might also be interested in the P8 laptop on a certain overseas reseller site with the initials A and E.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Yeah that P8 looks very nice, sadly my budget won't stretch to buying one of those😒 YT seems to remove a lot of comments, not sure why and my settings are to allow all. I had a quick look at Puppy, currently got AntiX running nicely (its fast!) but unlike Mint the GMA500 has no support so cannot get any video playback - I think Puppy might be the same but I will give it a go 😃
@ruxcooking
@ruxcooking 6 ай бұрын
After this video my old Acer aspire one is dual booting linux mint and tiny 7 32 bit. Using windows I can use it like a portable monitor now with that video driver and a cheap usb hdmi capture card.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Mint works well on the P11Z. How are you finding Tiny 7? For some reason I never even thought of trying that!
@ruxcooking
@ruxcooking 6 ай бұрын
Seems snappy enough. So far I'm using it for the very specific use of capturing HDMI form a PC. I haven't even setup wifi on it just so I don't have to take care of security stuff. Linux is good enough for most things but was always just a little too laggy to use it for that..@@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
I am finding AntiX less laggy than Mint but it lacks a lot of features and so far video playback has been impossible. I think I might give Tiny7 a go...@@ruxcooking
@ruxcooking
@ruxcooking 6 ай бұрын
Should make for a fun video@@HandheldComputing. I like antix. i like puppy linux too. I just tend to stick with mint. I can get really light using xfce of even lxde depending on your needs.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Puppy has also been suggested so I will have a look at that too@@ruxcooking
@BrenGunning
@BrenGunning 4 ай бұрын
Just discovered your videos and love the content, but the video quality seems really poor. It says it’s running 1080p but it feels overly soft, like it was recorded on an old device.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 4 ай бұрын
Sorry about that, its filmed and edited in full HD on a decent camera - I think I had issues due to the resolution on the screen and perhaps the lighting. Glad you liked the video 😃
@i._.O
@i._.O 6 ай бұрын
While the VAIO P series run a very old Atom SoC, the device's form factor is quite unique. One can think of it as the spiritual successor to the older C1 series (Picturebook). I'm impressed the trackpoint worked. Did you need to install a special driver for that? Also have you considered antiX Linux with Palemoon as the browser?
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
It very much is the successor to the Vaio Picturebook (I have 2 different Picturebooks sadly both have issues 😢) such a great form factor! The trackpoint has worked without drivers in all the Windows variants I've tried and Linux mint, must be a standard chipset. I will have a look at antiX (you are the 2nd person to mention it), I chose Mint as it has the GMA500 driver built into the kernel, not heard of palemoon - will ask Google!
@buitreador
@buitreador 6 ай бұрын
the major problem with this netbook is the VGA, this power VR / GMA 500 is on par with the i845g but with directx 10 support, its awful and it lags really bad even in aero glass. There is no official support for XP and 10/11. I know because i have one and i did tried everything
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
There is an official XP driver for the GMA500 - it's not very good but I have it for my UMID Mbook. In theory the GMA500 can decode 2 HD streams simultaneously In practice 720p is the limit due to the drivers...
@Link-channel
@Link-channel 6 ай бұрын
After the PSION 5 era i have always been attracted by these devices, BUT, after owning a super slow Netbook and PinePhone i eventually sold everything and bought a simple e-ink reader with Android and the battery charge lasts ONE MONTH, coupled with a keyboard case, and it fits in a pocket... I would never ever go back to anything else now.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Now that sounds like a great set up! The clarity of e-ink is fabulous!
@Link-channel
@Link-channel 6 ай бұрын
I wrote some devices suggestions but the comment disappeared 😢
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
I'm not sure why that happens, but it happens quite a lot! ​@@Link-channel
@Link-channel
@Link-channel 6 ай бұрын
I can't write the brand name it get deleted. It's an OCTA CORE for 150€$ also with colour display and you can read the newspapers
@meisterleistung
@meisterleistung 6 ай бұрын
I'm interested in where to get a functioning new battery for said device.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
I last bought a new battery for this 10 years ago. You cannot just replace the cells either as its a "smart battery" so you have to deal with the eeprom chip to get it working again! Ask google and cross your fingers that someone has one in stock....
@federicobustamantegamboa2038
@federicobustamantegamboa2038 6 ай бұрын
I would love to see Windows XP running there. I think Windows Vista is a very tight fit for that machine and XP is more appropriate. If you get it, I would ask you to share the drivers, as when I tried it, the ones I found were pretty bad. Thank you very much for your videos.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
I agree Vista is going to be tough to run on here! Yes if I go with XP I will try and share the drivers for you. Most things will run OK with the MS drivers the main et down on these early Atom's is always the GMA500 😢
@ashrafkhaleelibrahim3340
@ashrafkhaleelibrahim3340 6 ай бұрын
Could you try Windows 10 ltsb 2015 ? I find it the best windows 10 version for old hardware
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the suggestion, I'm downloading the ISO now, I will report back over the weekend...
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
So after installing 10 itsb and doing the updates.... wow, this is so much better than Tiny10 - web browsing still limited but video playback (with win7 driver in compatibility mode) is significantly better as is the responsiveness of the system overall - great suggestion 😀and will do a follow up video in due course 👍
@ashrafkhaleelibrahim3340
@ashrafkhaleelibrahim3340 6 ай бұрын
@@HandheldComputing happy to hear that. It is related to window 7 more than to windows 10 I use it as a daily driver in all my old PCs Thank you for trying the suggestion Hope you all the succee
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for suggesting it! 😀 @@ashrafkhaleelibrahim3340
@deepmaze1
@deepmaze1 6 ай бұрын
All that crappy performance is a straight issue in the drivers.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Some of it is drivers (no one ever made a good GMA500 driver) but some of it is the CPU, because there is no active cooling it clocks down to 800
@deepmaze1
@deepmaze1 6 ай бұрын
@@HandheldComputing I have model 21. So I will do some experiments too. Will report if I could get this setup working.
@Rambogner
@Rambogner 6 ай бұрын
I bought one last year, the top spec 2.13ghz Japanese version. Very very pretty but even on tiny10 absolutely useless!
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
I did hope that the later version might fair better thanks to the faster CPU! Linux Mint wasn't too bad I'm just trying AntiX at the moment, having issues with the sound though....
@vintagemoderncomputing
@vintagemoderncomputing 6 ай бұрын
Aww. :D
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
Tiny 10, defiantly not as efficient as EPOC! 😉
@vintagemoderncomputing
@vintagemoderncomputing 6 ай бұрын
@@HandheldComputing 😂
@fradd182
@fradd182 6 ай бұрын
I dont think there is a modern browser that supports WIn XP, certainly not for youtube.
@HandheldComputing
@HandheldComputing 6 ай бұрын
That might be the issue, but someone mentioned tiny 7 so I might give that a go....
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