TITAN Sub implosion | Deep Dive animation explanation

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Mike Bell

Mike Bell

10 ай бұрын

The Titan a submersible purpose built for diving the 12,500 feet to the Titanic wreck suffered a catastrophic implosion on Sunday Jun 18, 2023 at around 9:30am.
This is a story of hubris when unforgiving nature of deep submergence required following the best engineering science.
Here is a more recent video with a very short clip of the the newer Titan hull winding. • A visit to RMS Titanic
Our thoughts go out to the family and friends of:
Paul-Henri Nargeolet
Hamish Harding
Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman
Stockton Rush, Ocean Gate CEO and pilot
Thanks to Marco A. for the Titanic model I used as my starter model. 3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mode...
Credit for video of pieces brought ashore : • Raw video: Wreckage fr...
Credit for Ocean Gate footage of gluing the hull together: • Video

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@dotRB
@dotRB 10 ай бұрын
"The ocean does not care if you are rich. But it does favor those who respect engineering and science, ahead of hubris and gut feel innovation" Beautiful said!
@chengong388
@chengong388 10 ай бұрын
Problem is these guys aren’t rich, if they were rich they’d take the much more expensive but safer Russian subs James Cameron took.
@davidleary823
@davidleary823 10 ай бұрын
Ya but apparently the news and rescue teams do since they’ve spent countless hours looking and recovering while refuges on boats all over the world are drowning every day.
@Quest4Luv_
@Quest4Luv_ 10 ай бұрын
@@chengong388no they were rich. The owner was just to irresponsible to take the necessary precautions he should’ve.
@gelo1238
@gelo1238 10 ай бұрын
@@Quest4Luv_ they should take their safety serious too
@cryptic7965
@cryptic7965 10 ай бұрын
​@@chengong388yes they were rich, it cost 250k a person to go down there aren't you paying attention to the story?
@hagerty1952
@hagerty1952 10 ай бұрын
4:55 I did vacuum design and engineering for a couple of decades. I designed several chambers for the aerospace industry (for testing spacecraft components) that were roughly the size of the Titan's crew compartment. The hemispherical end caps were 1/8" thick stainless steel ("helmet heads" for those in the biz) while the cylindrical center section was 1/4" thick SST, seam welded inside and out. And this is to hold out only 1 atmosphere, not the 400+ at Titanic's depth! Any design engineer will tell you that a carbon fiber composite can never be used this way. It's not that they didn't overlap or bias-wind the structure, it's the material itself. The fibers in the composite are immensely strong in tension, but have zero strength in compression. That's why you can use it to make pressure tanks and vessels as the "hoop stresses" from the inside pressure cause the cylinder to try and expand, which is very efficiently resisted by the strength of the fibers. But when the forces are reversed, and the pressure is on the outside, the cylinder is compressed smaller, meaning that the fibers go slack, and provide nothing to the strength of the structure. The only thing holding the pressure is the matrix between the fibers (epoxy in this case). Epoxy is very strong in compression, but also very brittle. It will crack when flexed, meaning an absolutely guaranteed failure in a few cycles. I'm actually amazed they got that many dives out of it. There's a good reason that "the experts" were all warning him, and insisting on more and different testing, and it's not just that they were jealous of his innovative "free thinking" mindset.e
@seandelaney1700
@seandelaney1700 10 ай бұрын
Please do more of what you did here for it was perfect. You explained much of what I had heard before but more clearly and likely with a better understanding. It's not comparable to pressure tubes because the pressure in this case is outside and you can't push a string. I'm currently on a steel schooner but mostly familiar with fiberglass and Carbon Fiber and indeed epoxy is brittle which is why we add the fibers. Well done.
@Pw-f100
@Pw-f100 10 ай бұрын
Good explanation!
@claudiotostes5917
@claudiotostes5917 10 ай бұрын
Well, would be good to clarify some aspects related to composites: This kind of composite, carbon fiber & epoxy, presentes mechanical properties according to direction of the reinforcement: Considering fiber direction we can identify excelent mechanical resistence for tensile stress and less for compressive stress... Considering direction perpendicular to fiber...we have good mechanical resistance for compression and less for tensile stress.... ...The mechanical resistance of the composite depends on the amount of plys, sequence of staking , direction of the reinforcement and the ratio, in volume: fiber / matrix And temperature and moisture (absorption of water ) as well... THUS, when working with composites, is very important to take these into account. ...Also, using shapes and wall thickness in such way that the stress will be reduced to a level that composite can" deal with". Anyway, fatigue is a very complex point to be considered , we can never close the eyes for fatigue ...the small damages caused each time, loaded x unloaded , are cumulative and after some point , the colapse will occur
@DeusMort
@DeusMort 10 ай бұрын
Seems the Ocean gate owner was a di*k! Arrogant ass who killed 4 people. No murdured 4 people!
@daviddempsey8721
@daviddempsey8721 10 ай бұрын
@@Goddess-illias what a powerful analogy. Its actually a bit more like pulling a box with string - you can do that, but you can't push the box. If you put the string in a short, stiff hose, you can pull fine, push a little bit, but too much and the hose bends and eventually breaks with fatigue. Sort of. I'm reminded of the Segway inventor who took a metaphor a little too far and ended up going off the edge of a cliff.
@emmcee476
@emmcee476 10 ай бұрын
This was very nicely done. The demonstration with the soda can was both captivating and haunting
@monthekey9093
@monthekey9093 10 ай бұрын
And now I want a coke too
@DunkinBiscuits
@DunkinBiscuits 10 ай бұрын
I hope its relatively safe to perform because i for one will be trying this
@Denozo88
@Denozo88 6 ай бұрын
​@DunkinBiscuits its a simple experiment just wear some eye protection just in case.
@Elyse27
@Elyse27 10 ай бұрын
I’ve watched a lot of these informational videos on the titan and this is by far the clearest and best explained one. Thanks
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@sallywillis1448
@sallywillis1448 10 ай бұрын
I agree. Have just subscribed..
@Maxwells_Daemon
@Maxwells_Daemon 10 ай бұрын
I agree; this is a succinct, clear explanation with exceptional graphics, and you maintained respectful commentary of this tragedy. Thank you so much!
@123antknee
@123antknee 10 ай бұрын
With an example to add for understanding of how fast it happened. Not sure why Carbon Fiber was used.
@ElLuis1122
@ElLuis1122 10 ай бұрын
So, at the end it was pretty much just a gigantic soda can wrapped up with extra material, hoses and cables. No one can even call it a floating casket cause everyone inside just disintegrated. The implosion animation here gave me the chills. Great job! Amazing video.
@MikeBarbarossa
@MikeBarbarossa 10 ай бұрын
It was a flaoting cremation unit
@RockNRollSurf
@RockNRollSurf 10 ай бұрын
@@MikeBarbarossa Pretty much a manmade black hole cremation machine. CEO got proto-spaghettied.
@jimmyboy2778
@jimmyboy2778 10 ай бұрын
@@RockNRollSurf and the logitech controller?
@TheManWhoLaughs2008
@TheManWhoLaughs2008 10 ай бұрын
Instead of mostly being made of titanium, Rush decided to only have the front window part be made of titanium and the rest of it carbon fiber.
@rrokin
@rrokin 10 ай бұрын
@@abdulSprucethey were 1hr45 into the 2hr journey down iirc, which would be approximately 2860m/9370ft depth. My personal guess is mostly juice but perhaps some part of the torso could remain. Would be a shame if it’s just reminants of some slime on the recovered debris
@crazyfutureradio
@crazyfutureradio 10 ай бұрын
This is the most accurate animation of what happened. All the others are so slow.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Thanks. Glad you agree.
@mazzugara
@mazzugara 10 ай бұрын
How do you know that?
@equalizers8190
@equalizers8190 10 ай бұрын
@@mazzugaraputting coke can in cold water ring pull first shows ring pull let go, so assume window did the same
@anitanoterajes
@anitanoterajes 10 ай бұрын
It's not that they were too slow, it's slowed down for the human eyes, but this is the closest animation correspondent to the debris found. The other ones had every bit shredded to pieces or the carbon fiber caving in and remaining intact.
@theboyinthedark6521
@theboyinthedark6521 10 ай бұрын
@@anitanoterajesno they are taking about stuff like that popular tiktok video showing the ocean gate completely crushed no pieces left turns out the owner of that account was a jack 🫏 and posted weird stuff
@andrewtabaka6793
@andrewtabaka6793 10 ай бұрын
I am an engineering student that literally has just taken a class on carbon composites and one of the main things I learned about pressure vessels is that layup should be around 55 degrees from horizontal to maximize strength. If they didn't even put that kind of consideration into the orthotropic nature of carbon fibers I don't think they put much thought into the design of this vessel. It is such a shame.
@LEXXIUS
@LEXXIUS 10 ай бұрын
They should've made a sphere out of metal instead of a giant brittle soda can. Would be less compact for the same amount of passengers, but much safer.
@seandelaney1700
@seandelaney1700 10 ай бұрын
Gas cylinders are made of composites and as far as I know they use the angled layups, not as a spool of thread seen here.
@NewYorkNadia
@NewYorkNadia 10 ай бұрын
Hubris; pride comes before the fall, a lesson for us all. Rush was a criminal and a massive POS. Many warned him, including a man on Rush’s own team; his response? He fired then sued him: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pquPgbxp2cyZpIk.html
@Hex-kt2vr
@Hex-kt2vr 10 ай бұрын
i mean look at it.. it looks like a make-shift space ship made to sit in a kids playpark.. i know functionality trumps presentation, but it didn't even had that.
@Al-Gorithm
@Al-Gorithm 10 ай бұрын
The most important thing for me in a vessel like that is a comfortable flushing toilet because i would have been farting ginormous gas bubbles.
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.-
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.- 10 ай бұрын
Whoever's idea it was to look in the area below the sub's last known location is a genius.
@colinsteam
@colinsteam 10 ай бұрын
Probaby some geezer with a doctorate in search and rescue...
@susanruck9197
@susanruck9197 10 ай бұрын
James Cameron said that he knew all along. He said he should have said something earlier.
@ChristopherSmith-tf4nr
@ChristopherSmith-tf4nr 10 ай бұрын
Lmao....ya think
@Devo_UTFR
@Devo_UTFR 10 ай бұрын
I'd never of thought of that, But the sub I build will be better than this 😂
@beezilneverleft3176
@beezilneverleft3176 10 ай бұрын
@@susanruck9197 Yes, he questioned why they went outward on the search. Some people were ragging Cameron like he was somehow a part of this. But no, he was just as puzzled and confused as the rest of us on that one. I'm not so sure him saying something would have changed the odd search decisions. It seems like common sense, and if they weren't listening to common sense, they weren't going to listen to him either!
@randomvintagefilm273
@randomvintagefilm273 10 ай бұрын
Rush actually said that safety standards get in the way of innovation. Wow!
@meganruchwatercolors7186
@meganruchwatercolors7186 10 ай бұрын
I heard him say that, too, that safety was a waste of time. Unreal!!!
@wadeprice67
@wadeprice67 10 ай бұрын
It's Rush saying let the hair go with the hide.
@grantm6514
@grantm6514 10 ай бұрын
He also committed an astonishing 'face palm' error of logic/deduction when he said that 'over engineering' was unnecessary because most accidents weren't caused by structural failures, but by operator error! - um, no, it shows that the 'over engineering' has WORKED to remove structural failure as a cause, not that it isn't necessary.
@Pr0vidence555
@Pr0vidence555 10 ай бұрын
*german music stops*
@nm9412
@nm9412 10 ай бұрын
Innovation was just another word for money.
@wrayday7149
@wrayday7149 10 ай бұрын
There are a few reasons the sounds of the implosion weren't released sooner. 1 - The DOD - Military picked up the sound but didn't know what it was. It could of been a cargo container falling off a ship imploding, a depth charge or other military exercise, one of the tanks on the vessel, or many other things. They just knew they heard something and reported that up DOD/Mil channels. 2 - 2hr's later, an emergency call was issued on Civilian channels that contact was lost. Assistance needed. No one would have checked for a possible implosion because they think it is still intact and suffered a power failure. 3 - At some point in time, the sound was passed to rescue crews to help them better search. 4 - This is the important part. - Searches are not called off because someone thinks something happened. You need to verify. Upon verification, and due to the unique situation (implosion), rescue was impossible and it then switched to a recovery and families and press notified. Nothing occurred in the SAR portion that is out of the ordinary. No major conspiracy, it was put into the press because it was a modern day kid fell down well story that captivates people. The press came up with their theories because they run a 24/7 news cycle and they need something. As it takes time to get rescue ships to the area, and the press then starts filling time by calculating how much air they have left..... this helps them generate interest and views. Yes this causes anguish towards the family waiting to hear the fate of their loved ones however..... you cannot put it the press that you heard an implosion before you verify. It looks bad, but it's oh so much worse if you tell someone their loved ones are dead but they aren't because you haven't verified.
@GrayEyesWorld
@GrayEyesWorld 10 ай бұрын
This very much. Society owes every lost person a proper search. Imagine if the National Park rangers decided to not look for a missing hiker because they saw that a pack of wolves they were tracking were in the same area and just assumed the hiker was eaten... Only for their dessicated body to be found uneaten at the bottom of a ravine a year later.
@DS-lk3tx
@DS-lk3tx 10 ай бұрын
Right.. the noise coincided with the loss of communication with the sub. The sub was made from plastic. But a propagandists must keep its flock in line, right? 😂😂😂
@wrayday7149
@wrayday7149 10 ай бұрын
@@DS-lk3tx I have no idea what you are trying to say.
@seandelaney1700
@seandelaney1700 10 ай бұрын
I can't imagine anyone has ever seriously suggested to call off the search. I believe his point was repeating James Camerons who had this info and knew it was finished. When I learned the controversial construction and the point at which it lost communication I too assumed it was lost. It was indeed a compelling news story and that fact alone would have had editors holding off on presenting facts which made the search seem more like one of recovery. If Cameron knew, others knew, ie. any journalist that had reached out to Cameron or any of his colleagues, so yeah it is most likely a bit of a conspiracy.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Thanks great explanation
@TBone14159
@TBone14159 10 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Thanks for the most detailed and no-nonsense explanation I've seen on this event. Like you, I sort of knew when the last signal received from Titan was an hour and forty-five minutes into the dive, something catastrophic had happened right then. There was absolutely no need for the days of news reports telling how much air they supposedly had left. Again, thanks for a great video.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@DrBilly619
@DrBilly619 10 ай бұрын
When you design with carbon fiber, most times you end up chasing away its shortcomings until its benefits have been nulled. Weight is often the biggest advantage of CF but as soon as you need metal doubler plates, and joint reinforcement, and end fittings, you’ve introduced so much complexity that machining and iso grid structure makes more sense. CF is a material you use with great intention and foresight/testing.
@AgentWest
@AgentWest 10 ай бұрын
While CF (the fiber itself) is very strong in tension, it becomes practically useless because it is flexible by nature. Under these kinds of loads it might as well have been just cast resin.
@tomgray7179
@tomgray7179 10 ай бұрын
@jackhammer078jack4
@jackhammer078jack4 10 ай бұрын
We get already😮
@faku2l154
@faku2l154 10 ай бұрын
I think we should send more rich folks down
@willwilliamson2814
@willwilliamson2814 10 ай бұрын
I don't care how many are killed, we must save the planet!
@sigurdkaputnik7022
@sigurdkaputnik7022 10 ай бұрын
Thanks Mike. Now that's what i call an informative, understandable and educational presentation of what happened. No unnecessary dramatization or boring fillers. Just pure on-point information.
@suzannedaniels3526
@suzannedaniels3526 10 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree any more.. This illustration is the most indepth yet simple enough for the layman to grasp...
@kslinaz5668
@kslinaz5668 10 ай бұрын
Exactly! Very interesting.
@GMarieBehindTheMask
@GMarieBehindTheMask 10 ай бұрын
Best Example I've seen so far! Not being overly complicated simply put, to the point!
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad you appreciate my approach 😃
@thinkabouthelogic
@thinkabouthelogic 10 ай бұрын
@@Mike-Bell 110% agree. This was incredibly helpful with the schematic. Clear, straightforward, no BS, not tilted to any one side, and refreshingly short. Thank you!
@mikewebber7553
@mikewebber7553 10 ай бұрын
The carbon wrap process was shocking, I initially thought it was a demo. I've worked in F1 and Aviation on the 787's wing. So, I have a background in this field. There are many air gaps in the wrap that can be compressed, with stored energy with an uncontrolled release.
@Smannellites
@Smannellites 10 ай бұрын
I could not believe what I was seeing. The entire hull was CF wrapped circumferentially, so there were no fibres in the longitudinal direction. It was not done in a clean environment and there was no process to remove air bubble inclusions. Clearly OceanGate had not the faintest idea what they were doing.
@paulweston285
@paulweston285 10 ай бұрын
@@Smannellites Then how come it had been to the Titanic several times ?
@mikewebber7553
@mikewebber7553 10 ай бұрын
As per your response, there was clearly an excess of " micro porosity"
@Smannellites
@Smannellites 10 ай бұрын
@@paulweston285 Fatigue damage is progressive, and grows after each pressure cycle. The Titan's hull would have been weaker after each dive. As someone else said, it was an accident waiting to happen.
@uclajd
@uclajd 10 ай бұрын
@@paulweston285 I played Russian Roulette several times and lived. Did I know what I was doing? Was I being safe just because I lived?
@conkerN6428
@conkerN6428 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for explaining everything in a more understanding way
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
You're very welcome!
@SYLperc
@SYLperc 10 ай бұрын
that implosion. It's really hard to grasp how violent and quick it must have been. under 6000psi, the volume of air in the pressure tube would have compressed to something like 1/500th its original size, at supersonic speeds, igniting the air, and pulverizing anything within it.
@rankcolour8780
@rankcolour8780 10 ай бұрын
It's kind of like a bullet shrimp/mantis shrimp punch (extreme pressure, supercavitation, pressure heating, atmospheric oscillation) but on a much larger, terrible scale. Ignoring whether they had any forewarning, as a "way to go" total, instant obliteration like that is relatively humane as you aren't aware it happens, the off switch is just pressed with instant effect. We can only hope they were relatively unstressed before it happened as that would be the truly harrowing part.
@keithdf2001
@keithdf2001 10 ай бұрын
It is a great way to die because it is completely instant. People are gone out of existence before they have time to think about it
@Trigger200284
@Trigger200284 10 ай бұрын
Just watched another video talking about a sub that imploded a few years ago. They were at a depth of about 1200-1300 feet, so approx 1/10 the Titan sub, and when it collapsed the hull (at 550-600psi) would of collapsed at 1500 MPH which is somewhere close to Mach 2. The Titan was much closer to 6000 psi.
@casualmmafan4258
@casualmmafan4258 10 ай бұрын
@@Trigger200284same one I watched 2mins before this one
@lottatroublemaker6130
@lottatroublemaker6130 10 ай бұрын
@@Trigger200284 Which other sub was it that imploded? Was it a military sub? If so, from where?
@carmenhemet3590
@carmenhemet3590 10 ай бұрын
This is by far the best illustration and demonstration of exactly what happened. Really nice job! My condolences to the families of the passengers in the submersible.
@grahamf695
@grahamf695 10 ай бұрын
We don’t know exactly what happened yet. The window had also come out of the end cone, as we can see from videos of what the recovery team brought back, so that may have been the component that failed.
@scootergeorge7089
@scootergeorge7089 10 ай бұрын
@@grahamf695 - Or it could have been blasted outward in the implosion of the main hull.
@grahamf695
@grahamf695 10 ай бұрын
@@scootergeorge7089 the window is one candidate, because it was certified to only a much shallower depth. Still, I agree that it is too early to know. No doubt there are many broken pieces and they won’t have been able to recover all of them, so it will be a challenge to work out which piece broke first.
@slickchick5811
@slickchick5811 10 ай бұрын
the families had to have been terrified the entire time.
@zarrow50
@zarrow50 10 ай бұрын
@@grahamf695 Maybe someone wanted to open the window, maybe someone let one
@punxsutawneyphilofficial
@punxsutawneyphilofficial 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to make this reconstruction. It demonstrates the crush pressure so well, especially with the addition of the soda can. Your models are really clean and well made.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! More like this to come
@MrOgrizek
@MrOgrizek 10 ай бұрын
Wow man, well demonstrated. The sound that you've chosen for the implosion is so perfectly scary... chills.
@sirblebington
@sirblebington 10 ай бұрын
This is exactly the video I was hoping someone would make. Thank you.
@nevasoba5953
@nevasoba5953 10 ай бұрын
In an interview one of Rush's friends said that in a previous dive they heard a cracking noise during the decent. I believe the friend told him after that they shouldn't dive in the Titan again.
@PInk77W1
@PInk77W1 10 ай бұрын
Captain Obvious was his name
@TheFutureLooksGrimm
@TheFutureLooksGrimm 10 ай бұрын
Aren’t sounds of steel compressing under immense pressure normal to hear while in submarines? Pipes makes tons of sounds as they expand and contract under hot and cold temperatures, as anyone who’s experienced old heating systems knows. This is a question I’ve not seen answered yet.
@angelofthegrove9574
@angelofthegrove9574 10 ай бұрын
@@TheFutureLooksGrimm Perhaps if the central structure was made of metal. But it wasn't.
@user-bl1pw2th4l
@user-bl1pw2th4l 10 ай бұрын
​@@TheFutureLooksGrimmit wasn't made of steel. Did you have the video on mute???
@TheFutureLooksGrimm
@TheFutureLooksGrimm 10 ай бұрын
@@user-bl1pw2th4l you misunderstood my question. Read slowly. I know the hull of the Titan was made out of carbon fiber. I’ve read a everyday about this. Normal submarines are made of steel and they do indeed compress and make sounds. Therefore we can assume that a certain amount sound of the submersible’s carbon fiber hull compressing would be normal. Anything compressing makes a sound normally. I just read that military sub personnel do a little fun test, they put tape or a line from one side to another, and as the submarine dives deeper (nowhere near crush depth) it line or tape begins to drape. Visual confirmation of the steel compressing. James Cameron said his vessel compressed at least 3 inches. Steel, Titanium, Carbon fiber, it all is going to make a sound when being subject to compression. Sound alone is not an indication of failure.
@DEP717
@DEP717 10 ай бұрын
This is an excellent analysis. I am no expert, but I am reminded of the difficulties experienced with the early Comet jetliners. That was also a situation where repeated cycles of compression and decompression caused fatigue over time in a way that engineers had not anticipated. The Comet was operating under stresses that passenger aircraft had not yet operated under.
@uclajd
@uclajd 10 ай бұрын
The problem with that analogy is the designers of the Titan had generations of engineering history to look back upon (much of which they disregarded), unlike the Comet engineers. The analogy would be proper if the Comet were designed today with all its flaws!
@rva
@rva 10 ай бұрын
Superbly clear
@Honestcritic79
@Honestcritic79 10 ай бұрын
This is the most accurate animation that I have seen. You kept the certain parts intact, while others usually have those crush as well.
@rrocketman
@rrocketman 10 ай бұрын
Agree
@Physics072
@Physics072 10 ай бұрын
People just wanted clicks and made up videos based on fuzzy logic. The end caps were titanium. One person was inside the front end cap. There would have been remains such as legs arms. The end caps were not crushed just most likely the tube failed. Those in the tube section would likely have been pancaked.
@Seashellsbytheseashore21
@Seashellsbytheseashore21 10 ай бұрын
@@Physics072Stockton was at one end, I am sure. And the other end, perhaps the youngest was giving the window seat…
@Imnotplayinganymore
@Imnotplayinganymore 10 ай бұрын
@@Physics072 It's my understanding all organic matter would have been pulverized, as in, turned to dust.
@brennymcphees7557
@brennymcphees7557 10 ай бұрын
@@Imnotplayinganymore Water would immediately dissipate the intense heat (14,000 degrees F) generated by the implosion of the air's immediate compression to about 0.00253 its original volume, although there would be surface scorching. The compression of the collapsing steel can inside the compromised titanium shell would provide the physical force to immediately crush its contents much like a trash compactor, but there would likely be identifiable remains.
@aliseiler6251
@aliseiler6251 10 ай бұрын
Presentation on point with dynamic graphics and illustrations. Well done!
@MikeBurns-bi5xj
@MikeBurns-bi5xj 10 ай бұрын
Very good presentation and information
@cynthiahusband106
@cynthiahusband106 10 ай бұрын
Presentation excellent a layman can follow just how this tragic event came to an end. RIP to the 5 gentleman who perished.
@delayedcreator4783
@delayedcreator4783 10 ай бұрын
@@cynthiahusband106 one of them was an idiOt
@carolpray9816
@carolpray9816 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for explaining what happened so clearly. The soda can demo was an extremely powerful demonstration.
@philallsopp42
@philallsopp42 10 ай бұрын
Nicely done. As a fellow architect, my interest and deep respect for engineering and science mirrors yours. It took my career into the field of complex adaptive systems & simulation technologies. When I saw the video of them smearing glue (epoxy presumably) on the inside of the Titanium collar I was flabbergasted at the loose dimensional tolerances that enabled the ring to slip over the carbon fiber tube with ease. Surely, I thought, they aren’t relying on hand-smeared epoxy to seal the gap. Also I did a few bending moment calcs which I then rotated 360 degrees and wondered whether bending stresses and shear forces at the glued titanium rings from the enormous uniform loading had ever been simulated or tested with different carbon fiber weaves…..a sad loss for sure but, aside from the panic over the emergency, the implosion would have happened far faster than any awareness would have been possible.
@jnavonoD
@jnavonoD 10 ай бұрын
Astonishing, that glueing bit...no squeeze out, and just what, 2 inches of contact area between ring and tube. I'm nowhere near an engineer, but mixing some epoxy in a scadgy bucket then scraping it on like that didn't look like the sort of precision engineering where you need it most on a submersible...yeah, I know, everyone's an expert in hindsight!
@daviddempsey8721
@daviddempsey8721 10 ай бұрын
@@jnavonoD I agree and had similar thoughts - surly they weren't relying on *that* to keep out 370 atmospheres...no, they are.
@AlpControl
@AlpControl 10 ай бұрын
As a carbon fiber specialist, I bet on the same scenario from the first day. The weak point is neither the carbon or the tinanium, but the carbon/titanium interface. If water seeps between the two, the resistance of the carbon winding is useless and the pressure will crush the inner titanium tube. But it started slowly, depending on the infiltration rate, it seems to have taken more than 15 minutes before deformations accelarated the infiltration rate and then the final collapse occurred.
@kimjay481
@kimjay481 10 ай бұрын
I think you are absolutely right. The three elements simply moved differently and independently of each other.
@Machete90210
@Machete90210 10 ай бұрын
This is a very respectful video on such a terrible incident. Thank you.
@THEONEANDONLYJOSEPH
@THEONEANDONLYJOSEPH 10 ай бұрын
It is but close to the day of the incident close to 500 immigrants died that day in a boat but nobody is really taking about it rip 505 dead people
@frutt5k
@frutt5k 10 ай бұрын
@@THEONEANDONLYJOSEPH yes but these were 5 billionaires of which one was a stark craving lunatic.
@THEONEANDONLYJOSEPH
@THEONEANDONLYJOSEPH 10 ай бұрын
@@frutt5k Fr Xd
@quantumleap359
@quantumleap359 10 ай бұрын
@@frutt5k What was the lunatic craving? I think he was more an arrogant, flawed individual. Either way, he's dead now, and his limited engineering education died with him.
@skiddo1243
@skiddo1243 10 ай бұрын
@@Joe-by8jh Those were 500 people just like you escaping their country in hopes of a better life
@Patrick90
@Patrick90 10 ай бұрын
This is probably the best video I've seen yet that covers the implosion aspect of this tragedy. The reenactment using CGI and the Coke can experiment really wow'd me. Great content.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Come back for more 😀
@SD-vj8vq
@SD-vj8vq 10 ай бұрын
The best video ? Son of the bitch…
@hopsiepike
@hopsiepike 10 ай бұрын
Yup, the main difference is that the aluminum can merely crumpled, while the carbon fiber shell apparently shattered into tiny pieces. Any recovered parts are are probably adhered to the metal frame, among with bits of flash-cooked human remains.
@pollystyrene99
@pollystyrene99 10 ай бұрын
@@hopsiepike flash cooked? the implosion generated heat?
@benp3485
@benp3485 10 ай бұрын
@@pollystyrene99 like the surface of the sun, instant vaporized
@lvbdevinelove2329
@lvbdevinelove2329 2 ай бұрын
This channel is the absolute real deal. So much so that it's the only one that gave me continuous chills and goosebumps throughout
@garyreid6165
@garyreid6165 10 ай бұрын
I remember reading a book when I was a little boy about ships. In the chapter on submarines, the book showed a page on the submarines that dived down into the deepest depths. Two of them were the Alvin and the other was the Trieste. Both of these vessels were built to handle the pressures of the ocean. The Titan disaster was trying to use the less is more philosophy in construction of this submarine. The lesson learned is that for any environment that is to be explored, always listen to others who have gone before you.
@dogechrist
@dogechrist 10 ай бұрын
This incident made me research deep sea diving. It was surprising to learn that the Trieste dove to the deepest place on Earth over 60 years ago, and since then there's been no major accidents or fatalities in this field. This tragedy was completely avoidable if they followed industry standards.
@mygunisinnocent8028
@mygunisinnocent8028 10 ай бұрын
Instead of learning from past subs like you said, Stockton tried to reinvent the wheel and make it square. "My square wheel is better, I'm an innovative genius" KAABBOOM
@patrickhorvath2684
@patrickhorvath2684 10 ай бұрын
I think the Trieste was rated to go half again deeper than the Marianas Trench. 127mm thick Titanium sphere. 50% reserve of safety at the deepest point in the ocean.
@duketoofor3098
@duketoofor3098 10 ай бұрын
“If I had gone further, it was by standing on the shoulders of giants”. Sir Isaac Newton when asked by his assistant, how he had accomplished so much.
@111smd
@111smd 10 ай бұрын
@@patrickhorvath2684 and the Trieste still had an accident "One of the Plexiglas windows in the outer layer of Trieste's "eye" had cracked. The two men inspected the crack, and with approximately another two kilometers to go to the bottom, decided to press on."
@redhelmet8
@redhelmet8 10 ай бұрын
5:59 There was a brief statement given that there was explosion heard. The reason for not immediately saying they imploded is that it is better to continue searching and find out later that the ship was long gone. Had they called off the search and an intact hull with bodies was later found, there would be serious repercussions to any leadership of the rescue as well as public backlash.
@Patate7Frite
@Patate7Frite 10 ай бұрын
Also, the sound was plausibly an implosion, but not guaranteed to be. Also, and most importantly, the first ROV that could go as deep as 4000m was immediately called upon and was mobilized from buffalo to the wreck site within 4 days. 32 tons of delicate equipment, plus the crew, plus all the installation of the equipment. they immediately went down and searched for the probable site of implosion debris and found it within a few hours. It's unbelievably fast. like above-all-expectations fast. Every expert speculated on the implosion because it was the most likely scenario, but it was unproven before the debris were found. You couldn't even hope for the debris to be found as fast as they were.
@KebabMusicLtd
@KebabMusicLtd 10 ай бұрын
I think it has as much to do with throwing a few red-herrings to the media to keep them from descending on the search site whilst the search was still in progress. Also, I am sure the US Navy would want to confirm what they believed they were hearing before making any bold statements. I am 99% certain most of us knew that the submersible was gone as soon as they heard that contact had been lost.
@ruthcrist5983
@ruthcrist5983 10 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting for a clear description of what happened thank you Mike
@Styxswimmer
@Styxswimmer 10 ай бұрын
When you're dealing with extreme conditions like the deep ocean, you NEVER cut corners. If you want to innovate (which I'm all for), get your invention tested and certified. Never assume it will be fine.
@edsedlak6827
@edsedlak6827 10 ай бұрын
This is the best analysis that I have seen. The animation is particularly illustrative. Before now, I did not know that they dropped their weights, which clearly indicates that they knew that they were in trouble.
@TheCandiceWang
@TheCandiceWang 10 ай бұрын
Yep - it's been found now that they did try to get back up to the surface before the implosion. I just pray they didn't know for long. What horror 😢😢
@michaellavery4899
@michaellavery4899 10 ай бұрын
It's probably safer to wait for the results of the inquest. Until such times all theories are just speculation.
@SamSam77771
@SamSam77771 10 ай бұрын
@@TheCandiceWang
@mousetreehouse6833
@mousetreehouse6833 10 ай бұрын
Edsedlak6827, My thoughts exactly. Don't know if this information was brought up elsewhere, and if so, this is the first I've heard about it...and which actually makes the whole thing even more tragic...and creepy.
@2thumbtommy484
@2thumbtommy484 10 ай бұрын
There was a guy from I believe Discovery channel that was sent to do a story when Oceangate was in the Bahamas and he said they heard loud cracking sounds coming from the hull and Rush would try to explain it away..😬
@xxfalconarasxx5659
@xxfalconarasxx5659 10 ай бұрын
I like that the implosion sound effects used in this video is an actual sound recording of an imploding submersible. Luckily in that case, it was an unmanned vehicle, the ROV Jason.
@lildoobers
@lildoobers 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. The demonstration at 3:15 was excellent
@ToNoodleOrNotToNoodle711
@ToNoodleOrNotToNoodle711 10 ай бұрын
Wow. Every time you showed the model of the implosion I get goosebumps and I jump. It’s so simple but powerful. I pray it was faster than a blink of an eye for those men so they weren’t afraid or didn’t feel anything. Especially that young boy who said he was afraid before he got the submersible. Wow😳
@eikopoppy29
@eikopoppy29 10 ай бұрын
A loud bang on hydrophones + loss of comms is a pretty bad sign, but doesn't prove conclusively that they imploded. From the PoV of the search team, if that scenario happened, then the crew were dead. In that case, they didn't need to confirm that fact quickly. But at that time, it was still possible that the sub had lost power but successfully executed an emergency ascent. In that case, they would have been floating on the surface, unable to open the hatch to get access to air (plus that would have caused them to sink anyway). That scenario was the only one possible where the crew might have survived in the end. So it made sense to focus on that until time ran out for the air supply.
@nafmtigia
@nafmtigia 10 ай бұрын
yeah but they also definitely heard the bang. unfortunately they were probably in denial about what the sound was. but they used sonar technologies to communicate, there's no way they didn't hear a loud noise at the same time
@surf2257
@surf2257 10 ай бұрын
They had the comms but also the transponder which failed at the same time of comms so they knew even without the sound that it imploded. Losing comms was pretty common with Titan.
@Scribblersys
@Scribblersys 10 ай бұрын
I heard it just took that much time to even get underwater search vehicles out to the wreck site to look for debris and confirm it really imploded.
@richardpenny3973
@richardpenny3973 10 ай бұрын
.. P😊😊😊😊😊
@kencadby6586
@kencadby6586 10 ай бұрын
@@nafmtigia The point still is to focus on hoping to save life instead spending time looking for dead bodies. Are you actually calling that "denial"? That's "triage".
@williamhoward7121
@williamhoward7121 10 ай бұрын
I was involved in some early research of using carbon fiber to make scuba diving tanks. This turned out to be an excellent fit for carbon fiber and it does help to alter the direction of the fiber application. However carbon fiber only works with internal pressure which puts the fibers under load which prevents the epoxy, which it is layered with, from bursting. With oceangate the exact opposite happened. Basically you can think of every bit of their structure being nothing more than an epoxy shell as the carbon fiber does very little when external forces are pushing inwards.
@judyofthewoods
@judyofthewoods 10 ай бұрын
If anything, the fibre would weaken the epoxy. Now you only have thin layers of it, interspersed with the fibres which would simply slump without an internal force with substance to keep them in place. Think of it like a sausage shaped balloon inflated to the point where it holds its shape, wrapped in bands of fibre. If you tried to inflate it further, the bands would keep it from expanding. Now put the balloon in a vacuum chamber, suck the air out of the chamber (under-pressure), and the balloon with fibre wrap would collapse.
@oftin_wong
@oftin_wong 10 ай бұрын
I would've thought a titanium sphere was a good material and shape ...but I'm no engineer Give me a certificate
@roberta5292
@roberta5292 10 ай бұрын
At this point I am astounded as how the implosion didn't occur on their very first trip to the bottom of the ocean.
@Drycleanerguy
@Drycleanerguy 10 ай бұрын
Carbon fiber is also used to hold tanks for CNG (compressed natural gas), which is about 3-4000 psi, from my recollection. Again, the pressure is from the inside out, not the reverse. I had been wondering how they put the carbon fiber under tension in a compressive situation, and I am shocked to learn that they didn't even try. I can't imagine how it made 23 prior dives without imploding.
@G1NZOU
@G1NZOU 10 ай бұрын
Indeed carbon fibre works well for aircraft that need to pressurise because the carbon fibres work well under tension, they're not quite as effective under compression, still better than regular polymer but still not ideal.
@blackfishblues
@blackfishblues 10 ай бұрын
Belated thanks, you've earned a subscriber! Very clear and respectful explanation, without gore and sensational headings. I followed the search for the Titan live on WFLA (I'm not even from the US) and I watched the final announcement by the Coast Guard. I was thinking, "I may throw up, but this is history". I feel the same now that they are beginning to study the remains of the Titan. I hope you follow up on this story. Meanwhile I'll binge your videos: I'm no architect or engineer, but Chernobyl and Fukushima have become part of our history, not to mention more recent events. Cheers from Europe!
@OceanSwimmer
@OceanSwimmer 10 ай бұрын
First time viewer of your channel, Mr. Bell. Well done. The demo with the soda can is impressive.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! Lots more good stuff to come...
@catherineboorman326
@catherineboorman326 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for a very clear, informative explanation as to what happened to Titan.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
I appreciate your comment.
@kanpurunplugged9970
@kanpurunplugged9970 10 ай бұрын
@@Mike-Bell I also like the animation but I feel that there's room for more information about the pattern of scattering of the debris field of the submersible as it can indicate details on the implosion depth and other data an animation about it would have fancied but good job .. altogether
@kanpurunplugged9970
@kanpurunplugged9970 10 ай бұрын
I know that the rescue team didn't release the ROV videos of the submersible debris field .
@ChloAbssz
@ChloAbssz 10 ай бұрын
You're welcome.
@ecomotive6158
@ecomotive6158 10 ай бұрын
My imagination of the implosion was that the carbon fiber tube gave-in to the pressure and instantly went from a round cross section to a flat cross section, like a cardboard toilet paper tube between two clapping hands. This would have jellified everything inside and blown out the two relatively intact titanium ends in opposite directions, possibly blowing out the porthole too.
@devlonlyam7084
@devlonlyam7084 10 ай бұрын
After inspecting the titans stress tests in 2014 i had to walk off. Its amazing how no one went through with putting an end to this. I guess im included in it but we need more regulation
@seandelaney1700
@seandelaney1700 10 ай бұрын
Or just more whistleblowers.
@kenthompson5723
@kenthompson5723 10 ай бұрын
"we need more regulation" ------------------------------------------- Oh horror of horrors. Don't you know that more (government?) regulation would be catastrophic to human invention and evolution? Capitalists and entrepreneurs are way too superior to be hindered or restricted by such ponderous procedures.
@gagaplex
@gagaplex 10 ай бұрын
I really like your use of your own animations, nicely done
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@cymbala6208
@cymbala6208 10 ай бұрын
I'm very grateful for your conclusion at the end. We have become so saturated with all kinds of progress and convenience that we just take it for granted. We should all be more humble and thankful for the possibilities we have nowadays.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
I’m so glad you agree with sentiments.
@boomerangsruckflug8513
@boomerangsruckflug8513 10 ай бұрын
We should be more suspicious and not take science as the new religion.
@allusernamesweretaken
@allusernamesweretaken 10 ай бұрын
thank you for demonstrating how the submersible could have collapsed. i started to get annoyed seeing the one tiktok animation over and over again and it was the only one i kept finding. i honestly wanted to see different possibilities how it couldve looked like and your video is one of those.
@sebastian0107
@sebastian0107 10 ай бұрын
This is the best explanation I've seen so far. Interesting about the last text signal; that there already was a known problem. Thanks and very well done!
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! I wouldn't take "the transcript" seriously. It fails the common sense and physics test and is just a cruel cynical fake in my mind.
@astaraoneill9166
@astaraoneill9166 10 ай бұрын
Comunications between Titan and Polar Prince have been released (not vetted). Titan apparently was descending much faster than it should have. There was an alarm and crackling noises. They began to ascend, but had trouble doing so.
@sophieh9387
@sophieh9387 10 ай бұрын
Incredible illustration of what most likely occured to the Titan.. I cant thank you enough for your time in putting this together, giving us, a visual. My thoughts and prayers go out the the family, friends and colleagues of the submersible. ❤
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful 😊
@wilspu5590
@wilspu5590 10 ай бұрын
@@Mike-Bell 👍🙏🏽🙏🏽👍👍🙏🏽
@LukeMaximoBell1
@LukeMaximoBell1 10 ай бұрын
You animation skills are insanely good! And a good easy to understand explanation.
@ChloAbssz
@ChloAbssz 10 ай бұрын
Thank You.
@user-be8ox2yd4i
@user-be8ox2yd4i 10 ай бұрын
Why the delay in releasing the information to the public concerning the possible detection of the implosion of the Titan? 1) The event was probably detected by a classified Navy passive undersea surveillance system, so the information would have to be declassified for public release. 2) The classified information was probably released to the Coast Guard, but was of no practical use until assets with the capability to confirm the destruction of the Titan were on site. The search could not be aborted until the destruction was confirmed, and the Coast Guard didn't want to cause the families to loose hope until it could. 3) There was no benefit to anyone to release this information.
@shuaibsampson1130
@shuaibsampson1130 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this informative video. Straight to the point and spot on.
@OrionSYoung
@OrionSYoung 10 ай бұрын
"None of this seamless operation would be possible without the unsung heroes: our army of brilliant scientists and engineers quietly and unseen. Making sure everything functions effortlessly. Our reliance on them is undeniable. The ocean does not care if you are rich. But it does favor those who respect engineering and science, ahead of hubris and gut feel innovation." Well said, sir. I will remember this quote for the rest of my life. We will do better, I believe in us.
@willcollins9470
@willcollins9470 10 ай бұрын
Keeping this quote, thx
@benp3485
@benp3485 10 ай бұрын
This quote hits different, i choked when I heard it.
@funasylumstudio
@funasylumstudio 10 ай бұрын
This story is unreal no matter how much I read or watch about it. There is a Mexican KZfaqr who went down on the sub and saw the Titanic. Just watching that alone is unreal.
@musicjunk8266
@musicjunk8266 10 ай бұрын
Subbed for the animation. Also I agree, most things work all the time and no one notices.
@spencerwhitney3175
@spencerwhitney3175 10 ай бұрын
Mr. Bell, you are an extremely likable guy. Thank you so much for making this video.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
So nice of you! I value facts, accuracy and credibility and more to come. Welcome aboard.
@matrixfull
@matrixfull 10 ай бұрын
I heard someone saying that problem with Titan's design was that carbon-fibre has limited lifespan on so many dives. If you want to make carbon fibre sub you need to completely replace it every few dives. I'm surprised that was 24th dive. That was extremely greedy. Another good insight was provided by you: "Fillaments were rolled in one direction only". Maybe if they rolled it in all directions this wouldn't happen or would happen after many more dives instead. But seriously..they didn't test how many dives can this carbon-fibre structure survive to cut costs. Now instead of dollars they payed with lives.
@rejuvenatingsoul3498
@rejuvenatingsoul3498 10 ай бұрын
No it wasn't the 24th dive, it was 7th dive with that exact hull.
@elpadrinobaby1902
@elpadrinobaby1902 10 ай бұрын
Not sure if it’s true but I heard that last time they were on this same submersible it was giving problems and still ignored the signs 🤦🏽‍♂️
@texasbella576
@texasbella576 10 ай бұрын
Rush purchased the carbon fiber from Boeing - which boeing had “retired” bc of its age and stored in a warehouse for quite some time
@HansensOfficecom
@HansensOfficecom 10 ай бұрын
@@rejuvenatingsoul3498 I've seen different numbers . 9 for instance, but I don't know where the maker of the video got 24 from.
@jetlag1488
@jetlag1488 10 ай бұрын
I really appreciate the last bit of the video where you talk about the experts, the scientific minds who we should all listen to. This disaster could've been prevented if it weren't for the hubris and arrogance of one individual against centuries of knowledge and experience.
@hjjjjjjjjzk8914
@hjjjjjjjjzk8914 10 ай бұрын
THIS is the video I’ve been searching for. Well done 👍
@camdix3250
@camdix3250 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. Very clearly and concisely told - and told with sensitivity.
@user-us4yc9ki6j
@user-us4yc9ki6j 10 ай бұрын
Your synopsis is spot on, and thank you for your time and integrity. During our human experience, we constantly allow ego to crash endeavor. This is our insanity.
@davidely7032
@davidely7032 10 ай бұрын
A search of "Did Titan try to surface? " results in an article (Insider) that notes the ballast had been released prior to implosion ... suggesting the passengers knew something was wrong and prompted them to urgently try to surface. Sadly, the idea that they died in blissful ignorance may not be wholly accurate.
@FabledGentleman
@FabledGentleman 10 ай бұрын
Yeah they likely would hear cracking noises as the hull started caving in, but once it finally did. They died in about 0.01 seconds, or even faster even.
@PInk77W1
@PInk77W1 10 ай бұрын
@@FabledGentlemanmy guess is It takes much longer than .001 seconds to make a thought
@FabledGentleman
@FabledGentleman 10 ай бұрын
@@PInk77W1 Well at least thoughts don't hurt. Might have been scary down there for a few seconds.
@mando686
@mando686 10 ай бұрын
@@FabledGentlemanthe Pakistan businessman’s son did not want to go down and only did it for his dad. He would have been terrified the whole time.
@tboneforreal
@tboneforreal 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, that's why the engineer Oceangate fired said that Rush's acoustic monitoring system was worthless because by the time it would warn you that something is wrong it was likely too late to save you.
@kenf6294
@kenf6294 10 ай бұрын
What you say at 6:10 is so very true. Nicely said. We do tend to take so much for granted in life.
@sonatine3266
@sonatine3266 10 ай бұрын
One of the best and most interesting videos I've watched about this topic. Also very good explained so that I as a non native English speaker could understand it very well. Thanks!
@fistpunder
@fistpunder 10 ай бұрын
I find it incredible that they were able to not only locate, but recover so much of OceanGate.
@terminalfrost3645
@terminalfrost3645 10 ай бұрын
it was found under where tracking was lost.
@animula6908
@animula6908 10 ай бұрын
Tells you those espousing about it don’t know wtf they speak of
@tur74d56
@tur74d56 10 ай бұрын
Goes to show anything can be lifted from the ocean floor if it wants to be
@jacksons1010
@jacksons1010 10 ай бұрын
@@terminalfrost3645 And the implosion occurred only 300m above the ocean floor, so there was relatively little scattering of the debris.
@KaleSchlegel
@KaleSchlegel 10 ай бұрын
They had to clean up the evidence . 😅
@nm9412
@nm9412 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for explaining how this sub looked and worked. I can’t believe it could get so close to Titanic.
@turtlejeepjen314
@turtlejeepjen314 10 ай бұрын
Same here…. The Titan wreckage ALMOST LANDED on TOP of the the actual Titanic… I wonder what everyone’s reaction would have been if it HAD done so…🤔🐢
@FatalFist
@FatalFist 10 ай бұрын
It has done previous dives and that was Rush’s biggest mistake. His arrogance got them all killed. After each dive, the submersible’s life expectancy was being shortened. The wear and tear, which was neglected, became its doom.
@GrahamMasters87
@GrahamMasters87 10 ай бұрын
@@turtlejeepjen314 Not even close.... 1600ft away. That is like 3 football fields.
@PatoChu
@PatoChu 10 ай бұрын
The government even advised them that the Titan shouldn't even reach a 3rd of the depth where the Titanic is, but due to the CEO's arrogance, they all unjustifiably died in a very gruesome but quick way
@frutt5k
@frutt5k 10 ай бұрын
It was essentially a brick that sometimes could be made to surface.
@robbieevans6536
@robbieevans6536 10 ай бұрын
The right amount of resin for optimum strength in composite laminates is key, and composites are strong in the right application , but they aren't very durable if metal is rubbing or pushing against the laminate.
@Alamandorious
@Alamandorious 10 ай бұрын
I’ve watched a few videos on this, and I daresay I enjoyed your matter of factness and calm demeanour.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Very happy to hear that. More to come ☺️
@americandream7419
@americandream7419 10 ай бұрын
Just like that, the titan crumbled to the mighty sea and forever lost the souls that were inside it, families of those lost will forever be changed, and as for the ocean, it continued to forever sparkle under the sun and be just as powerful as it has always been. The ocean is nothing to be careless with.
@Keepskatin
@Keepskatin 10 ай бұрын
Same about outer space.
@bari2883
@bari2883 10 ай бұрын
Ocean: f*ck around and find out.
@idongesitu_1_imuk
@idongesitu_1_imuk 10 ай бұрын
Your last sentence earned you a thumbs up from me, the ocean fears no man!
@simonepeterson3301
@simonepeterson3301 10 ай бұрын
Well said
@justathumb
@justathumb 10 ай бұрын
so exceptionally well-made and respectfully explained, thankyou!
@NialPowerCork
@NialPowerCork 10 ай бұрын
Superbly presented and researched, well done.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@isaboteur2562
@isaboteur2562 10 ай бұрын
This story is pure YT gold rn. I should create and upload my own. That being said this was the best explanation ive heard yet,
@scottklandl488
@scottklandl488 10 ай бұрын
Nicely done As someone who designs and builds with glass and resin, the strand orientation is baffling. The predominant direction of fiber should be along the longitudinal axis, the only thing working to resist the forces involved here is the resin. A chopped strand blown tube would have been more effective at resisting pressures. And why!? I still haven’t heard an answer why Stockton chose carbon over steel? Cost!? What was the differential ? You want long shelf life? Build a big oven and shove your steel sun into it and anneal every 50 dives. Brand new. Carbon prepreg. Only gets worse with age
@flatfingertuning727
@flatfingertuning727 10 ай бұрын
I suspect a failure like that shown in kzfaq.info/get/bejne/btqHZ92XucuuoYE.html video posted ten months ago, showing a tiny model submarine in a deep sea chamber. If the composite delaminated, it could have been squashed flat like shown without breaking any of the circle-wrapped carbon fibers therein, rendering the strength of the fibers a moot point. Having some fibers running from the outer perimeter of the hull at the bow, to the inner perimeter at the waist, and then the outer perimieter at the stern would have improved strength a lot, but there should also have been fibers running radially and wrapped around something near the inner and outer surfaces. In order for the hull to collapse, it would have to get thicker, so fibers connecting the inside and outside would be positioned to discourage that from happening.
@daviddempsey8721
@daviddempsey8721 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Mike… I’ve often heard “Academics learn in order to do, while entrepreneurs do in order to learn” and “fail fast” as better ways of innovating. It’s rare to get a shout out for scientists engineers and techs who focus on not only reliable design but manufacture, economy, testing, maintenance, lifetime reliability and safety. We also work to carefully experiment with new materials and techniques as we build a safety case. Being accused of analysis paralysis often by entrepreneurs…I hope they consider collaborating with those who know, to help them do new things and live.
@DrDeuteron
@DrDeuteron 10 ай бұрын
Scientist this out side the box, engineers think inside the envelope, and entrepreneurs think about their wallet
@matthewlongstaff3112
@matthewlongstaff3112 10 ай бұрын
Had there been actual research into alternative materials for deep sea vessels, which had come to nothing?
@CupidStunt-fs7ie
@CupidStunt-fs7ie 10 ай бұрын
@@matthewlongstaff3112 Yes, the navy has done so.....
@KebabMusicLtd
@KebabMusicLtd 10 ай бұрын
Academics learn from experience and past mistakes. Developing anything will require many evolutions to make the item as safe as is practical to use. (Mark I, II, III etc) You start with the simplest idea and find the right ways to make it work. It could be argued that many tragedies have led to a more safety conscious approach to development. RMS Titanic is a good example of this. By the time of her launch, steam power was thought of as a modern wonder but little thought had been given to the use of rockets at sea being used distinctly for distress reasons. There were no regulations controlling the use of wireless meaning ships with powerful antennas could send messages all over the ocean with little thought to the fact that their 'commercial messages' might be interfering with messages relating to safety, and of course, 16 lifeboats and four collapsible’s should be more than enough to cater to the needs of 2,240 souls at sea. I dare say the first caveman only needed to put his hand in the fire one time to make up his mind not to do so again, after which point he warned others not do so.
@daviddempsey8721
@daviddempsey8721 10 ай бұрын
@@KebabMusicLtd yes… and we already have a reliable, safe way of bringing on new materials and designs through an established certification process and System Engineering Design and Test & Evaluation This CEO chose to avoid it.
@annqueenqueen7211
@annqueenqueen7211 10 ай бұрын
Great! gives us such a good understanding of why and how it happened, thank you so much
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293 10 ай бұрын
This guy deserves a huge boost in subscribers
@AWildBard
@AWildBard 10 ай бұрын
Great video. I especially liked the coke can heated and then placed in ice. Best demonstration I've seen so far. Good animations, too.
@semoneg2826
@semoneg2826 10 ай бұрын
Yes the coke can demo
@errorsofmodernism7331
@errorsofmodernism7331 10 ай бұрын
Excellent graphics and analysis
@user-iv1yu4ug6c
@user-iv1yu4ug6c 10 ай бұрын
For me it is always a red flag when a new guy comes in and declares that he knows better than the entire industry.
@lopezlizimo1236
@lopezlizimo1236 10 ай бұрын
Howzit, this video is expertly made. Very well presented and animation is top tier. Thank you for taking the time to make this Mike. Are you related to the Bell Equipment family, I use to work for them!
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Thanks. Glad you appreciate my efforts! No I’m from a different Bell line but it would be rather nice to be part of that family. I love big machines.
@caravanlifenz
@caravanlifenz 10 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Great ending commentary about the ocean not caring if you are rich. I grew up in NZ where many people have drowned in the sea, so our teachers constantly reminded us how dangerous it was. I'd never get in a sub like that one.
@Blessedbeyond.
@Blessedbeyond. 10 ай бұрын
I worked with this composite material for years for use in dead tank circuit breakers on a global scale. These parts undergo unbelievable amounts of pressure and heat during use in the Interrupter. At one point, Inventory was mistakenly providing production with expired parts as they have a shelf life to abide by. This caused the breakers to fail tests. I understand Stockton purchased outdated material for the hull. If this is true, this submersible was a ticking time bomb based on that alone.
@TheCandiceWang
@TheCandiceWang 10 ай бұрын
🙏🏼😞
@TheCandiceWang
@TheCandiceWang 10 ай бұрын
IIRC he purchased outdated carbon fiber from Boeing(?) and iirc, this video said that the CF was used for the cylindrical body part (5 inches thick)
@gailmcn
@gailmcn 10 ай бұрын
From other KZfaq sites, where materials engineers have comments, it's my understanding that the carbon fiber composite has great tensile strength, but low compression strength, that it is difficult to diagnose failure until it does fail, at which time it shatters.
@weiwu1442
@weiwu1442 10 ай бұрын
@@TheCandiceWangBoeing commented that OceanGate or Stockton Rush never approached them at all.
@gailmcn
@gailmcn 10 ай бұрын
@@frogmen6105 your English is fine!
@evelynncarlson8688
@evelynncarlson8688 10 ай бұрын
I can't get over this event. Like you said, the ocean "favors those who respect engineering and science, ahead of hubris and gut feel innovation." It's like everyone has forgotten how the titanic got to the bottom of the ocean in the first place
@daviddempsey8721
@daviddempsey8721 10 ай бұрын
....yes, and how early steam train engines exploded until we put pressure relief valves on them, rockets exploded until they didn't, car brakes failed until materials found to stop it, electrical systems were overloaded etc. and most recently, how software screws up if not designed carefully. Humans have a long history of failure, with engineers accumulating knowledge on each occasion until we now can predict and know how to avoid these problems. You can make a system foolproof, but you can't make it idiot-proof.
@chrono9503
@chrono9503 10 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for the kid who didn’t want to go
@robertscrimger6044
@robertscrimger6044 10 ай бұрын
I like this one. Little conjecture, but informative. I was also surprised at the carbon fiber wrapping being unilateral. It was wrapped over a steel - which also surprised me. There are lots of issues to deal with. Good job.
@KBS117
@KBS117 10 ай бұрын
And yet, it survived 23 times, with vigorous inspections in between dives. I think the weak link was the glue that held the rings on each end of the carbon fiber tube. What ever happened started happening about half way down, and it looks like for about 6 minutes they struggled to come up, before implosion occured. I think a tube failure would have been all at once. But a glue seam failing might take several minutes to separate and implode.
@fuzzytech3846
@fuzzytech3846 10 ай бұрын
I was watching a video made about ten years ago about pressure test on carbon fiber cylindrical hulls. When the pressure hull failed it didn't equally crush like the metal ones did, it split length wise and allowed the pressure to equalize. I'm thinking something similar happened but not length wise due to their incorrect way of laying the carbon fiber so the split would have been ring shape. My theory is the carbon fiber started to de-laminate and bow in the middle and the two titanium hemispheres just crushed it inward like stepping on top of a empty soda can. I think along with the microphone to record the cracking of the carbon fiber they did mention they had a string indicator (a string strong across from one side of the sub to the other to monitor how much the vessel is compressing, an old trick from the earlier sub days), so my fear is they started noticing the string drop way more then normal or the cracking was really starting to intensify they then dropped the weights in an attempt to save it but by then it was too late. Fear of this being a moment before the implosion they knew they were probably doomed, also with this many layers of incorrectly layered carbon fiber I wonder if there wasn't a second or two of water making it in by traveling in between all the layers before the implosion. I hope not as this would have been horrifying for them but we just don't currently know for sure as there are no substantial testing of this situation with the method of wrapping carbon fiber as they did. Makes me so mad that this CEO thought it was perfectly fine to take people down there when there were so many experts with decades of experience telling him "Hey, you're going to get some one killed!" He truly thought he knew better then everyone else.
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Yes you think of the pressure onto the face of the tube but the force from the domes onto the ends of the tube are huge too. After pressure cycles the composite fatigue must have started becoming a mess.
@flatfingertuning727
@flatfingertuning727 10 ай бұрын
If there were no carbon fibers, I'd expect the hull to be squished flat at the waist. If there were longitudinal fibers which were parallel to the surface, it wouldn't be able to squish flat at the waist without substantially increasing the length of the longitudinal fibers, but the mechanical advantage would amplify the forces on the fibers enormously. To make a strong structure, the fibers's direction vector would need to have a component parallel to the applied force
@jimhendian7325
@jimhendian7325 10 ай бұрын
I have been an engineer for over 40 years . All I can say, Well done!
@BetheLight-BetheLove
@BetheLight-BetheLove 10 ай бұрын
Nicely done! Thanks!
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Thank you too!
@megatuanis
@megatuanis 10 ай бұрын
Greatly enjoyed hearing your narration. You have a very comforting voice. Great graphics!
@georgia2321
@georgia2321 10 ай бұрын
Really well done with concise explanations and animations! This is approachable for people who’ve never learned about these topics, but also not so basic as to be unhelpful to those who are familiar with these concepts. What you’ve made here is leagues better than a lot of what I’ve seen from news sources with whole departments & budgets & consultants for this (who should be far better at doing this than they’ve demonstrated thus far). I really hope you continue to make more videos on this topic, and it would be cool to see videos with a similar approach to other types of engineering or planning failures. You truly have a gift for communicating these types of events, without sensationalism and without sugarcoating or downplaying what has happened. Wonderful job! I’ll be subscribing and looking forward to more videos like this one! I know I’m just some random person in youtube comments but I hope you realize the gift you have here!!
@rennmaxbeta
@rennmaxbeta 10 ай бұрын
It was said the underwater sound detected by the Navy was, at the time, classified, and Incident Command continued to treat the situation as a search and rescue. Once the debris field was located, the information was declassified.
@samangaofrancis5622
@samangaofrancis5622 10 ай бұрын
This video is very crystal,unlike all other videos.excellently done❤
@bardofarmagh
@bardofarmagh 10 ай бұрын
splendid work ! It's great to see a less dramatised perspective on this, just what actually happened, as it happened. and that brief monologue at the end sums this up beautifully.
@robertbolivarr8363
@robertbolivarr8363 10 ай бұрын
That can of COKE demonstration was pretty accurate that happened to the Titan in my opinion.
@goyanks6350
@goyanks6350 10 ай бұрын
Best animation I’ve seen . Well done mate 👍
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@egfredramos204
@egfredramos204 10 ай бұрын
GREAT DESCRIPTION, THANK YOU!
@Mike-Bell
@Mike-Bell 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
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