It's called an "educated guess"

Yeah, but the proper behaviour and discipline sure fades away. If you were to barge into a captains cabin under any circumstance you were to get a boot up your ass -- even today!

@@TheAngelOfDeath01 Verbally at least, but any good leader would know if someone does that i must be very serious.

In 1912 all Men wore flannelette jammies to bed.

​@@TheAngelOfDeath01Especially if you were batting off when they barged in.😂

Yes, the 1958 version got right basically everything that was known at the time. AFAIK the only things they got wrong were showing the ship sinking in one piece, and the damage from the iceberg being a long gash rather than a series of smaller holes spread out over multiple compartments. Both aspects that were accepted until the wreck was found in 1985.

Accuracy?!?!?! Not really. It's a known fact (as shown in the 1996 version) that Cottam himself contacted the Titanic, not that he accidentally heard the Titanic's distress call. He was a friend of Phillips, and he decided to call him before going to bed for the night.

@@raynoraynov5651 You are partly correct. He contacted the Titanic to let them know that Cape Cod was "sending a batch of messages for him".

@@johnwelsh2769, yes, I know. Cottam did it because he was a friend of Phillips. Otherwise he wouldn't care, to notify him about that batch.

A night to remember is by far the best titanic movie in my opinion. The fact they actually included details of those who weren’t even on the ship itself and had a crucial role during the sinking is what makes the film stand out above any other film. Including James Cameron’s film.

Plus they found a way to make the carpathia go beyond her top speed. He really pushed the ship to get there, he wasn't in time to save many lives, but I respect the man for doing everything he could.

@@davidkraft314 RMS Carpathia had a top speed of 14.5 knots. If I remember correctly, they had to shut all the dampers and route all the steam to the engines to achieve 17.5 knots. There would be no heat in any of the rooms, but the ship would go faster.

@@HighSierra1500 From memory I read that the chief engineer "accidently" put a rag over the steam gauge (so that they couldn't see that it was in the red, or beyond whatever limit)

The Carpathia story deserves it's on film. As has been pointed out, they put themselves in such danger.

@@sanchez501 And in her final act of saving others, When she was mortally damaged by Torpedo's in 1918, She signalled the other ships by flag which attracted the attention of patrol boats as well as causing the rest of the convoy to steam away at full speed, And not only that, The Submarine (SM U-55) fired a third and it's last remaining torpedo into the sinking ship, Which more than likely saved yet another ship from being sunk by that U-Boat. So Carpathia took 3 torpedo's before she sank.

When the Mauretania was out to break her previous speed record in 1922 after being converted to oil burning rather than coal it shouldn't be a surprise that Rostrum was her skipper.

Somewhere on another KZfaq video it was stated that CARPATHIA's crazy dash north overstressed her machinery and that she wasn't the same afterwards. She could only achieve that speed that one time. Sad that the ultimate fate of this heroic ship was to be sunk by a German U-boat in the coming war.

@@whovianhistorybuff Arthur ROSTRON, 1869-1940. He was a great mariner.

They got 17 1/2 knots out of a 14-knot ship. It damaged her engines.

@@misterwhipple2870Carpathia was designed for a trial speed of 15.5.

It's a real shame he wasn't in the 97 one

Agreed, he was a great sailor.

Rostron deserved every accolade and award he won for his actions that morning.

I had difficult debates in the Titanic form about his courage and actions, some claimed he was reckless, I was advocating for him and fought hard for his reputation, in my eyes he had balls of steel, cowardly people find it hard to understand.

Also his trust and faith in his officers compared to the attitude of some of them to the news

What was even more impressive is he rattled off a list of instructions to prepare the ship to receive Titanic survivors before he asked that question too.

You’ll notice he only scolds before he realizes who it is. He knew Cottam wouldn’t have just barged in on him like that if it weren’t an emergency. That’s why he immediately tells the officers to turn the ship around, and only THEN asks Cottam if he’s sure. Great testament to Rostrom’s leadership.

The list of things he did with The Carpathia while on his way became an example list for emergency preparedness too. A remarkable man, in the right place at almost the right time. Pity he wasn't captain of the Californian.

@@frednone He pushed that much-smaller ship as fast as he could --and through an ice field. I kept seeing the Millenium Falcon dodging asteroids. And this really happened!

This whole time I thought the Marconi operator was an employee of the ship. I did not realize that the Cunard lines hired a company to come on their ships.

@@santinojozefmiller7721every ship was assigned a Marconi operator or 2 by Marconi.

@@Da_SpongeGun I thought Marconi was the name for the Morse code keys.

@@santinojozefmiller7721 it’s also the name of the invented as well as the company

@@Da_SpongeGun interesting.

I especially dislike how in the 1996 movie they narrate everything they're transmitting, when in real life they'd never do that. Of course they do this so the viewer can understand, but is it really necessary? You already get a feeling of what they're relaying to each other in that scenario, there's no need to spell it out, and the 1958 movie doesn't need to do it to make it a compelling scene.

@@hullie7529 Well said. It's the old film adage, 'Show; don't tell'.

@@hullie7529 wasn't the movie from 97 though? I agree with your sentiment but don't think Cameron would make such an amateur decision - but I haven't watched his movie in a while and don't remember if that scene is from the movie? I just did some googling and looks like there was a cbs mini-series in '96, which I guess is where the scene is from?

@@hansolo631 Yes, that's from the 1996 tv miniseries, which is awful in my opinion for things like these.

You have to remember that film technology had to advance to make modern movies possible. Like cameras in the 1950s were huge and cumbersome, they could zoom and pan, but moving them would require you to stop filming. So most filmmakers just film the scene with the camera fixed, like a play. This is why older films have a very documentarian feel, the camera isn’t active. Personally I like it, but it can be impersonal. You don’t fully connect with the characters, modern techniques allow for more emotive storytelling.

Agreed totally,. The other two scenes seemed a little bit understated as compared to ANTR

I think most ship captains are men of action. Even Captain Smith of Titanic. His Grand mistake is that he allowed himself to be pressured, perhaps even forced, by management to speed through the iceberg field.

Have a look at this video on youtube: 'Captain Rostron being the best captain for 4 minutes'.

@@varelion I was just going to recommend the very same video clips...

The only thing it wasn't correct on was the way it sank but to be fair at the time....there were conflicting stories.

@@evancrum6811 It wasn't until they found the wreck in 1985 that they learned the truth about how she sank although there were many at the American and British enquiries that stated the ship had broken in half, both enquiries seemed to dismiss this likelihood. I read Wyn Craig Wade's book, Titanic, End Of A Dream several times in 1979 and even that maintained the belief that she sank in one-piece despite several witnesses saying differently.

@@KebabMusicLtd I know

Both the 58 and 79 films get the Marconi spark gap technology correct. This could only produce a buzz at specific broadcast frequencies, so it had to be controlled by interruption and therefore only used for Morse code. But it was very reliable and very powerful, with a transmission range of 1000 miles. Modulated signals, i.e. the "beeps" heard in the 96 film would not become standard until years later.

Not sure which movie was most accurate but the first two were spellbinding in the telling of the story. The third had a bit of a made for TV execution.

His swift action saved lives. People in the boats were dying of cold and exposure. Any further delay of rescue would have been measured in further lives lost. Captain Rostron did some damage to Carpathia, it was never quite the same after what he did to the engines. That's nothing against the lives he saved by doing it however.

You’re describing pretty much every US marine that ever lived.

As I understand it, a 24 hour manned radio watch was not required. What Was required is an alarm to signify a distress message was being received. The Radio had to be on but it didn't have to be Manned as such.

@@Farmer-bh3cg I think you're right in the 1958 version A Night to Remember one of the officers goes into the radio operators cabin and here's the signal coming through but doesn't understand. As a joke he holds the headphones to the sleeping radio operators ear and he just stirs a little.

It was the Californian who had turned her wireless off…Carpathia was listening to Cape Race and had then tried to tune in to Titanic’s frequency to tell her that Cape Race had wireless messages for her, when the distress call was heard.

@@kikuaviation3878 I'm very sorry my first response was not clear. The requirement to keep the radio, not Manned, but On to Receive Distress Calls was established After the Titanic disaster in response to the Californian's shutdown of her radio.

It’s insane how they could have joined the Californian in infamy vs being the heroes mostly by pure chance

4 film clips.

@@saladbreath607 Three film clips - Titanic 1996 was a television production

Motor generator set for the spark transmitter.

A Night to Remember was the best film about the tragedy.

Arthur Roston was the right man at the right place and made all the right decisions that night. He rightly deserved hid knighthood. If you can find a copy, read Captain Sir James Bisset.s biography, "Of Tramps and Ladies" for a description of the dash to the rescue. There is one passage where he describes Captain Roston's head bowed in prayer and states that there was another presence on the bridge that night.

Yeah Cunards R.M.S. Carpathia "tore her guts to sherds" in a way while en-route towards the rough site on which White Star Line's R.M.S. TITANIC was sinking and foundering. I read sometime ago her designed speed was about 15 knots and she would usually run at about 13 knots as service speed and that she made about 17.5 knots that night.

correct, the RMS Carpathia never operated the same again, permanent mechanical damage, but efficiently operable. God bless the RMS Carpathia crew.

It was a wild charge across the Ocean dodging Icebergs in the dark herself at full speed with all the available power directed to the propellers (heating switched off for example).

@@robertstorey7476 the shut down of the heating system in turn roused some of R.M.S. CARPATHIA's passengers from their sleep

Cottam wasn't even supposed to have his set on at that time. He was just turning on his receiver to confirm a message he sent had been confirmed to have been received, and he just happened to overhear messages from Cape Cod being meant to be sent to Titanic, with Titanic not acknowledging them. Cottam was just sending Phillips a courtesy "Hey, you know you got messages waiting for you?" when he got Titanic's SOS.

He was also a very close friend to Phillips on the titanic. They'd trained together.

True, but then the Mount Temple, Frankfurt, or one of the other ships racing to the scene would have recovered the survivors. It would have just meant a longer wait for those in the lifeboats. A scarier thought? The wireless on the Titanic had gone down the day before the sinking. If the Titanic's wireless operators had not repaired the unit then no one would have known that Titanic had sunk. The survivors would have been floating around in those lifeboats until another ship happened to come upon them.

@@thedeuce1374 or what if they hadn't executed the port around so well? The iceberg would've ran down the whole side of the ship and it would've capsized in minutes and sank without trace. No time for distress call never mind evacuation. Or if it had happened in a storm.

@@christopherhogg8364 True - although if there was a storm one wonders if THAT would have convinced Captain Smith to slow down, giving more reaction time to the helm. The 'what ifs' can go on forever when we discuss the Titanic disaster. But yeah, the port-around did buy some time to save at least some of the lives on board.

1979 Rostron acts like he's tired lol

A bit surprising that Philip Stone didn't give an accurate portrayal of Captain Rostron. During his acting career he was often cast as decisive military officers or other authority figures. Maybe the script and/or the director was at fault.

For whatever it's worth, the 1979 Rostron is shown swinging into action and barking out carefully detailed orders as soon as the first lifeboat is sighted. Truly being "the Electric Spark."

The 1979 film shows gauges at the wireless station that didn't exist in 1912. Of the 3 films, "A Night to Remember" is the best and most historically accurate. It shows like a documentary rather than a drama.

A good captain (as Rostron certainly was), when informed of it being an emergency, would stop with the castigating for discipline and find out what 's going on.

Arthur Rostron was one of the greatest unsung heroes of the 20th century. May he rest in peace.

Absolutely on both of your takes...well said 🤟

Also, Bride was unconscious in Carpathia's infirmary for at least a day, and afterwards suffered frostbite in his feet. I'm sure Cottam helped him through that, as his friend and all

It still brings tears to my eyes , still a haunting tragedy it’s 2023 , still so clear what happened to this unsinkable gorgeous ship all I can say all ships alerted that night wanted so desperately to help …., to this day heartbreaking just heartbreaking RIP to the 1500 and more souls on board who died that dark night April 1912.

Most of the Marconi operators on the North Atlantic liners were acquainted with one another. Cyril Evans of the "Californian" was also friends with Phillips. Evans later said that he'd committed a breach of protocol by barging into Phillips' transmissions without asking permission first. He said that he took no offense to Phillips telling him to shut up and keep out.

@@TorontoJediMaster he stayed on wireless for one more hour and then went to sleep like everyone else planned to. Both Carpathia and Mount Temple (another shop that immediately turned, but came too late) wireless operators were going to sleep. Shout out to Olympic, which also immediately turned despite being 500 miles away.

@@tymondabrowski12 same thing happened in 1956 when the Andrea Doria sank in the Atlantic -the captain if the French liner I "Ile de France " turned his ship around and all ahead emergency raced to rescue survivors and on arriving turned on.just about every light in his ship hugely relieving those awaiting rescue Some 1600 were rescued 46 lost their lives ...

Agree 100%! The Carpathia's Chief Engineer managed to get her up to 17.5 knots (she was rated for a top speed of around 14 knots). Never again could she attain such a speed. God was definitely with the Carpathia and her captain that night. Rostron was known at Cunard as the "Electric Spark" for his ability to think on his feet and come up with orders quicky. He certainly earned it that night. What I love is how, when told of the Titanic's plight, he didn't even wait for Cottam to confirm it. He said "Mr. Dean, turn the ship round. North, northwest". If there is a Heaven (and I believe there is), I believe Captain Rostron is there. When the Mauretania was being readied for her trip to the wreckers, Capt. Rostron was there to see her off. When asked if he'd like to to come aboard for the last time, he, ever the gentleman replied, "No, thank you. I prefer to remember her as she was."

With God all things are possible and Titanic’s officer Charles Lightoller was happy to say that after everything he went through in that tragedy.

When asked about the risk of running full speed through the iceberg-infested waters at night Rostom is said to have replied "I can only conclude another hand than mine was on the helm."

@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY Sounds a bit wrong to attribute saved survivors to God but forgetting about all the victims that did die. What did God apparently do, make Carpathia a bit faster? That's what engineers were trying to do, and it ruined her boilers btw, possibly contributing to her future sinking. What God didn't do: he didn't let Titanic avoid the iceberg; he didn't make the California wireless operator go to sleep later and be able to hear the message; he didn't prevent water from getting into one of the boats, causing half of the passengers there to die of hypothermia; he didn't prevent one of the Collapsible boats to be flipped; he didn't tell the officer in the first boat to allow men inside, too (which caused lifeboats to be lowered when still not full); he didn't let Titanic to float for a few more hours; if with God all of those things are possible, why didn't they happen? Every person who knew what was happening was trying to prevent as many deaths as possible, many even endangering their own lives, but they weren't almighty, so they couldn't do much. God is, he knew about it, and could save everyone, and then just didn't. Thank the captain of Carpathia, thank the baker who forced people into lifeboats (including literally throwing kids) which saved their lives, thank the engineers on Titanic trying to keep lights on for as long as possible (needed for leaving the boat), thank those closing watertight doors to prolong the time it was afloat, even thank those who tried but couldn't reach it in time (Mount Temple, Frankfurt, Olympic) or just relayed messages to find more/closer ships. Thank those whose help/nfluence was proportional to what they could do.

It was because he knew Phillips (and Bride), I believe they had done some Marconi training together. He knew Philips was a serious guy when it came to the use of morse...

Two stories detail how good the detail was in that film (given what they thought at the time) 1) Several survivors were present at the various filming days and one female survivor saw the actor playing Captain Smith and had a flashback to seeing him as a little girl 2) When the _Titanic_ is sinking faster and faster, the set produced a groaning noise from the strain as it tilted. This alarmed a now elderly survivor and the production crew said that it was to be dubbed over with sound - but he told them that was EXACTLY the noise she made when she took a massive tilt surge and so the noise was kept in as described

The lovey dovey stuff with Jack and Rose was much too important (Sarcasm)

@@tomcurda4203 As I left the theater in 1997, an acquaintance was waiting to go in and asked how the film was. I said, it’s overwhelming, just stopping myself from saying “overwhelmingly bad “.

@@tomcurda4203 Yes, it was (no sarcasm). Lot's of people don't understand how to create great film about catastrophe - you need to make people immersed into the story, to make them love the people who are going through that catastrophe - and thus you needed big plot, showing you entire Titanic, prior to the tragedy itself, and to make viewers pass through that catastrophe with some of its participants. So yes, all that love story of Jack and Rose was important. Yes, you can add additional plot with Carpathia - but that would basically require 5-hour-long film in such case, if you want to show the Carpathia plotline properly.

he starts moving Carpathian in the right general direction and says he'll figure out the exact course later. That gave him precious minutes of head start in a race where speed meant more lives saved.

Yeah, he and Harold Bride were good friends with Harold Cottam long before that disaster happened too.

One DOES wonder what actually happened to Jack Phillips.

​@@tomcurda4203he died during the night. He was picked up by one of the lifeboats but died from exposure

​@@jameswg13yeah but it's strange how Bride made it to an overturned life boat but not Phillips.. but guess it was easy to lose track of each other.. 😢

@Gameboy-Unboxings he did make it to a life boat as well but died during the night.

Pity that she was torpedoed and sunk by the SM U-55 in 1918.

God bless you sir Arthur Henry Rostrom. Bold, brave, the best of British seamanship.

That whole scene in the radio room in A Night to Remember is pretty accurate. But the "spark-gap transmitters of that era put out a nasty buzzing sound when code was sent. Not the pleasant tone later radios did.

That was probably just to streamline the story. Unless you have Cottam talking to himself as he sends a message, nobody (outside of the hardcore students of the disaster) would have known why he was sending off a message when he was planning on going to bed. (Here, it looks like he's just listening for anything interesting while getting into his pajamas.).

Totally agree with you, it's my favourite Titanic movie I don't know how many times I've seen it over the years, just recently watched the colorised version on KZfaq.

Exactly I *did* enjoy James Cameron version. And as a 90's kid it was part of childhood. But "A Night To Remember". Is the superior film.

@@JONNOG88it is, only flaw was the titanic’s final plunge. Since the theory of the titanic splitting into 2 wasn’t popular at the time

Agreed !

@@dalekexterminae The perfect film would be a mix of A Night to Remember with the opening and final moments of the 1997 version to incorporate the knowledge gained after finding the wreck.

Probably because Cottam was due to go off duty about then.

In reality, he was just in the process of untying his boots when he heard the distress call.

@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY Untieing his shoelaces would have been harder to film and less dramatic than taking off his tie.

Why, where you there?😂

Best Titanic film ever. The only thing they got wrong was that they didn't show Titanic breaking in two. That was because the official inquiries concluded she sank in one piece. Robert Ballard proved them wrong - almost 30 years later.

Well they did all they could. Pretty well red lined the engines to get there. The heroics of the crew of the Carpathia would almost be worth a movie in its own right.

Well, Bride was a fairly new Marconi employee. Phillips was a long-time guy. Bride would have likely been a little slower. They are both 20WPM or more.

Believe he's talking about the Cottam portrayer in th '79 film. Pretty slow.

@@spikespa5208 Yep I was.

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@@dysmissme7343 She was sank by a German U-Boat in WW 1. (As was Californian.)

Yeah, but at least its sinking wasn’t nearly as tragic as the Titanic’s sinking.

He was still a hero, though. All of those people who survived the Titanic disaster were exhausted, crying, shivering, and hurting terribly when the Carpathia had rescued them and no other ship arrived at the Titanic’s sinking location until around the time the Carpathia had picked up the last of the survivors, so if it weren’t for him and his efforts, things would’ve been much worse for the survivors and more of them probably would’ve died.

@@JOSH-lw2jv A man of many talents, obviously. Versatile chap he was.

I'm sorry to differ with you, sir. He's the captain. He's always been the captain.

Surely you're joking?

Yeah, and the real Harold Cottam was actually offered to portray himself in the movie A Night To Remember, but he rejected it.

@DANIELLE LACY right I think he rejected it because by then he was a retired man pushing 70. And I guess it his line of thinking is it just wouldn't be accurate. Kinda like the opposite sanario you don't have someone who looks like a teenager play the T.V. dad in a sitcom or the father figure in the plot of a movie.

@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY I don't doubt it. To re-create such a horrible incident would be something no one would want to do.

I see films of Audie Murphy re-creating his MOH incident from WWII, and think as a human being he had more guts redoing it than in the actual event.

Perhaps not. The engines were off, it would have taken an hour or two to fire the ship up for sail, and then it would have had to navigate a dense ice field to come to the rescue. It may have taken the same if not longer than the Carpathia to arrive.

​@@gatsbygoodwood2575 Would be good to think though that they had at least tried.

@@gatsbygoodwood2575 Several hours if the fires had practically died. Remember oil firing did not happen for a few more years They were surrounded by ice & wanted to wait until 1st light before moving. I can imagine the captain of 'Californian' was mentally scarred by his failure to act that night.

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