And homophobia has absolutely no ties to toxic masculinity or misogyny. Nope nope.

When we say "feminism is for everyone" we literally mean everyone.

@@tryste_mx it's a shame that feminism has been hijacked by feminazis

There is double standards everywhere, men have double standards, woman have double standards, everyone is equal in systemic terms

@@SergyMilitaryRankings So when there's double standards everywhere WE DONT JUST LEAVE IT TO FESTER because "everyone is equal". We take action to IMPROVE the quality of life for everyone.

same. i was 14 when this was uploaded and I would have totally been the type to dislike brigade this video if I knew it existed at the time. glad we both came to our senses lol.

We all make mistakes. I watched Thunderf00t for an embarrassingly long time. Cringing at the old you is a sign that you're getting better.

Oh hey I know this channel. I'm glad your better now

yeah me too, so glad I stopped

Same, and as a trans woman, it made me believe that my opinion was higher as I was one of the few that didn't believe like they do and so my opinion had more value as it was coming from a trans woman, or something like that, not even I fully understand it

Annihilated with facts and logic

Absolutely genius lmao

Lmao

Congratulations! You won youtube comments.

USSR bad 'murica good if you're a libtard u get the gun gulag gas

You've got the neck man in your avatar lol

@@grusha9516 isn't it gas-gulag-molotov-nuke?

And then they say "GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!" And bite back with ferocious fangs.

@@NineArc "We should bring back child labor" Moment

I know that i'm late,but i'll just like to point out how refreshing it is to see a comment section where a comment containing the word "furry" doesn't have 17 responses of edgy twelve year old's saying "yiff in hell!!1!"

@@thisusernamehasalreadybeen9831 s a m e

@@thisusernamehasalreadybeen9831 which you will if you don't leave this degenerate acts mate Repent and reform as Hell isn't an abstract metaphor for criminal mindset by philosophers but a reality for those who lived their lives by their desires then submitting themselves towards God pleasure and worship. Mankind is and was created to only worship God almighty do this for your personal and spiritual satisfaction

@@adeelabbasi2811 So it's wrong because your god thinks it's wrong? Also your god really created all beigns in existence just to serve him and worship him for eternity? He sounds like some sort of dictador rather than a loving father. What also sounds like something a dictador would do is torturing innocent people because of their hobbies/harmless fetishes. Jeez

@@adeelabbasi2811 Aren't anti-SJWs like... super anti-christian?

Yeah i kinda felt that. When someone says a slur to contextualize something it usually sounds a certain way or has a certain hesitation to it. Tldr legitimately made me do a double take with how natural it sounded for him to say that.

Wanted to point that out too. How did he just say it with that much conviction. Like fag I can understand a bit easier but the n-word? Hard r?

literally gross. ik he says it offscreen

CursinSquirrel yuh today i was reading some southern reconstruction letters for my history class and “negro” came up. i literally choked on air before reading it lol it just doesn’t feel right when people throw those words around with such ease.

@@Cassius4 It's rather silly, to say the least, that you genuinely believe that your personal indifference towards the use of a derogatory term which *isn't directed at you* actually matters in any capacity. Even more silly to try and back your stance up by stating that you personally don't care when someone *is* actually being racist towards you. Despite what you seem to believe, you're not actually the ambassador of Spanish people. And even if you were, it would bear literally no relevance to this discussion.

It's the feminist hive mind. Sitting with crossed legs may be what's most comfortable for many, many people, but there are TWO options: right over left, or left over right. What are the odds, then, that this isn't a hive mind and around HALF of the panel just so happened to be sat that way? They each had two options, and still half of them sat that same way. One out of every two women there made the same one in two choice. What are the chances of that just happening?!

@@thombruce is this a satire? i've seen some CRAZY people so i don't want you to get flak if you actually think that

@@verbulent_flow6229 It’s satire, yeah. When I wrote it, I thought it was heavy, unmistakable satire. Having read it back, it is entirely believable that somebody having those views really would be that bad at math and proudly boast that.

@@thombruce Good. Thank you for clarifying.

@@thombruce thank god this is satire.

I read this before I got to that part and I thought it was an exaggeration. I can't believe it. I have seen everything.

You recumbent urinater!

Ironically, the way women sit has a lot to do with our socialization and gender

@@CrazyPangolinLady TRU, in fact socialization in general is way more influential in the ways people sit. Like you can often literally read the social, cultural and economic upbringing of people just by looking at the way they sit

But dont feminists get upset about manspreading, or is that just blown out of proportion?

I mean you're not wrong

Have you... have you ever watched a Teal Deer video...? He does live streams where he litteraly reads entire research papers and critiques them. It's not ever very good and he makes the mistake of coming to conclusions before he reads the whole concept but his thing is that he's the proof and research type. His name is a joke about how other people see his content not a review on himself. :/ Edit: Spelling

@@notacomputer5486 so he has the prowess to read full research papers and still has issues of understanding the absolute basics of modern feminist theory. Hmmm

Well.. to be fair, the name might be ironic or an indictment of those people out there who speak at length on an idea presented in a piece of content without actually fully reading and comprehending it

@@notacomputer5486 Where are the arts & crafts livestreams where he builds strawmen for his arguments?

The way I interpret this is that the terms mean the exact same thing. One is very shocking, and the modern terminology is seen as more appropriate. But both terms define the same thing, and carry with them the description of otherness. It is very likely that the terms we use today as politically correct terms will be seen as negative and abusive in the future.

@@IceFireofVoid I think one reason why "people of color" is considered not offensive while "colored people" is, is that the former puts the category of people first. Before their skin color. It's more humanizing. "Colored" is an adjective. I think it was used as describing someone who wasn't the default skin tone, the normal one.

IceFire A Euphemism treadmill? Eh, I don't think so, especially if it's the groups defining themselves. But I guess you're right, that's probably his thought process.

@@wschippr1 If that's TL;DR's thought process, then he obviously hasn't thought very hard.

I find that line really interesting, actually. The only way it can be interpreted as a coherent point is if it means "changing the terms we use will have no effect on the wider societal violence these people suffer" So either he's just randomly using slurs because he can (more likely) or saying that the prevalence of violence against minority groups is such a societal issue that we need to take drastic action that far exceeds simple terminology changes.

You mean the kind of voice that makes you want to drop-kick the speaker down a well, actually?

Oh gosh, I sometimes do things like that. It just makes Teal dear more cringe to me.

The sad thing is that his voice sounds very like mine (British and very autistic). If I'd stayed right-wing I could easily have ended up like him.

He's the perfect man for the job. He sounds like a walking sterotype

He sounds like Arnold Rimmer, but more nasaly and with fewer redeeming character traits. When people would sooner go for a pint with Rimmer, you need an intervention.

envision: a majestic cathedral, its buttressed arches draped in black lace, wearing a pentagram necklace

@@afaultytoaster both equally majestic, i imagine

I was completely surprised tl;Dr didn't know what neoliberalism was.

"The difference between Gothic and Goth is two letters and 500 years." That is such a good quote. It's too good for a KZfaq comment section.

Christ I did the same thing. He really mansplained neoliberal while having zero understanding of political theory. Bet this chump thinks Marxism is postmodernist too lol

Men being dragged off to war women most effevted

@@fj1649 Learn to spell.

F J war effects everyone, and a lot of people focus on the men who work as soldiers. And that’s valid and absolutely needed. But it’s also important to look at the effect on women for the reasons nacoran listed and more. Both are needed and important, and no ones suffering should be invalidated. Feminism doesn’t advocate for the tearing down of men, but the building up of those brought down by patriarchal power systems

To be fair the point Teal was refuting was the assertion that women are THE MOST ADVERSELY IMPACTED by war. Which I personally agree is bullshit.

@@EJ-bn3tc Though it depends on context for what feminism means with the most basic one being equality of the sexes

rofl

Except he would not say that and your dear shaun would do something like that Knowing him/her bending facts and reality to benifit him/her

@@emelgiefro projecting isn't healthy you know

@@emelgiefro another Cosby assassin!

@@emelgiefro uh? Shaun doesn't tend to make huge exaggerations.

Hold on, it's not a mart built into the side of a great wall? Or is it a mart built into the side of a great wall, selling walls?

​@@Gormathiusall walls are great if the roof doesn't fall.

@@YarPirates-vy7iv Words to live by

It's not necessarily as bad as it seems. Vast majority is fairly often used and it just means that in that case the majority is much bigger that the minority. It's not completly far-fetched to come to the conclusion that vast minority would also be correct to use, indicating a tiny minority.

@@jankbunky4279 true, but according to his own rules his entire argument would be chucked out of the window, because He's A Pedant

Y'all are dumb. Let's take the example of percentage. A Vast Minority could be as high as 49% or as low as 39% but it's still a minority. A vast Majority would be 85-95% a Slight Majority conversely would be 51-61% Vast is a descriptor modifying the verb of minority or majority. Did Y'all fail basic English?

@@jasonleejames_official "Vast minority relative to the large number within that minority." - This is a much, MUCH simpler way of putting it. Did you fail Basic Language Arts? I had a fucking stroke trying to read your comment.

@@stopwhispering2697 Maybe you should see your doctor if your health fails you that badly.

The good ending

That'll be in the 'Unlimited Art School Funding' mod. There are some noticeable differences.

@@tinnagigja3723 this one got me 💀

Too bad we live in the bad timeline.

"TL;DR" is short for "Too Long; Didn't Read" and started as a meme on 4chan in, I think, 2005 where people originally wrote out every word. It was a common response to "text walls", which used to be rather small compared to today's standards. I find it super ironic that someone who only responds to sentence fragments, while still feeling intellectually superior for some reason, would call themselves that.

I was thinking the same thing, but a clever mascot can still be made by a confused and hateful person it seems

Whats worse is that his fursona and character looks extremely smug and is very pedantic.

IMO his crappy pun name and dreamworks character suck tbh

The guy comes off as stuck up and unlikable. He feels like the lovechild of Ben Shapiro and Paul Joseph Watson

Well, if you think about it, his name isn't all that cute. TL;DR, short for Too Long, Didn't Read. It actually shows he's even lazier than the average weeb who counters an argument with that phrase. To him, it's "Sentence Too Long, Didn't Listen". In that regard, he's making the chosen name a hell of a lot of justice.

😂 genius!

If only.

Actually, liberal comes from the Latin 'libido', which means to fuck a lot, so neo-liberalism is new fuckary

UHM ACKTCHYUALLEY, it's anthro*pro*morphic. Checkmate, liberals. Now watch me eat 50 containers of brainfoce--

*appreciative mathematician noises

Pussy Bacon I know. And this is coming from a guy you used to believe this shit during the height of the Anti SJW Craze on KZfaq.

typical npc regressive sjw neo cultural post neo postmarkssistism.

Big T. Larrity It's spelt commulist

@@wschippr1 We going meta now!

That is true tho xD both parts like buzz shit

Fighting for lesbian rights is feminism, simple as, it doesn't matter if some lesbian person isn't a feminist when you're fighting for their rights.

@@greentaigo2552 yes that's why his remark is so fucking stupid.

That perfectly summarises how stupid this dude actually is and he hides it behind a dictionary

I think it’s kind of telling honestly. The idea of advocating for someone that isn’t specifically a member of his “group” is so far fetched for him that he assumes all other people operate the same way

So hard to know the difference between a feminist and a feminist-ist :D

I would call it an aquamarine deer personally

XuntosIzor AQMRN;DR

Ahem, it’s a cyan deer

well played

@@empirecrumbles615 "Actually Quite Much Reading Needed; Didn't Read"

UnLuCkY 13 what’s worse... I used to watch him. Used to think he was better even.

@Grasshopper Yeah... God, thinking back on it makes me realize how close I was to the alt right. Never realized how precarious it was for me. Thankfully I now believe human rights matter more than edgy humor and rich people profits

@Grasshopper I cant even point to anything that fixed me in particular. It's so weird? I had a big watershed period where I went from edgy alt lite to full socialist in almost no time at all

DM Anew I remember being an edgy like 14 year old when gamer gate first happened. Even back then all I really cared about was the idea of videogames being censored. I am anti censorship, but maturing and growing and having more experiences shows me that all these assholes don’t give a fuck about anything truthful. All they care about is screaming over their opinions and just want views from edgelords like I use to be

I didn't think that any of these dickheads could be MORE annoying than Sargon yet here I am unhappy in the knowledge that I was really wrong about that

He sounds like a movie villain

Tbh I find Shaun's impression much less bearable than the original lol (and that's fair because it's an exaggeration)

tbf the title is designed to poke fun at the title of tl;dr's very smug videos, which are usually titled "X doesn't understand Y"

He's the skull from that alt right guy

@@gordonf5553 Davis Aurini is so insufferable that even his background props have no choice but to refute him

​@@bitchesbrew2315 Why do you think the skull disappeared? Shaun escaped, I tell you!

It appears that "hivemind" is just a way 4 the conservative camp 2 attack & deride social consensus -- because whenever social progress makes any substantial strides, it poses a direct threat 2 conservatism & the toxic individuality it frequently champions. Kinda how right-wingers like 2 denounce people as "snowflakes" 4 the crime of possessing simple compassion & social conscience. Hmmm ... I wonder why?

Add it to the list of things Teal Deer could have learned from a quick Google search but didn't... Seems he only uses Google to find definitions to the words he already knew, and never to find anything new. That isn't quite what we typically mean by 'confirmation bias', but it is quite literally him confirming his biases and literally nothing more. Teal Deer would probably take objection to that second 'literally' there, because figurative and hyperbolic speech is only okay when he does it, clearly.

They aren't women.

@@eydk556 incorrect

@@eydk556 you’re just too sad to admit that they’re prettier than you and will always be prettier than you.

It's always funny when they bring uo the few bad apples thing. It's almost like they genuinely don't know that the full saying is "a few bad apples spoil the barrel" and not "ah it's just a few bad apples don't worry about them"

Napoleon Bonaparte Yep, exactly! Unhealthy ideas can spread and poison a group of people

Also, only 11 states have banned the "gay panic" defense in court (the one where you can claim temporary insanity for killing an LGBTQ+ person because they came on to you or you were going to sleep with someone only to realize that their assigned gender at birth wasn't the one that fit your preference, usually used by men regarding trans women). Three of those states passed the ban this year when I'm posting it (2020).

@@animeotaku307 no way that's a thing

@@mohammadkayed7780 It is. www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/member-features/gay-trans-panic-defense/

Just had someone in a forum lose their shit after someone else pointed out the export of labour to poor nations under neoliberal policies by screeching about how that was done by "conservatives" You know, conservatives. Not the proponents of neoliberalism, like Ronald fucking Reagan and Margaret "gender neutral toilet" Thatcher.

@@hairymcnipples 'margaret gender neutral toilet thatcher' im dead

I was crying from laughter

where did this thing of starting comments with “as a _” come from?

@@mtlewis973 It was invented in 1874 by a man named John Asa.

That’s really sad. Imagine being so lazy you have to rip an even lazier channel’s spiel.

Cinemasins is actually satire though. It's a joking running commentary on a movie. That's why it's fun. Cinemasins very specifically and openly do not think most of their jokes are real problems with the movies they look at. Please dont compare them to weird alt right dickheads please

@@davidtaylor142 the very channel you have posted this comment on has a video demonstrating why that's not the case. They may not be on the same level at these alt right assholes, fair enough, but the idea that they dont think they're bringing up real problems is not really true.

What's wrong with cinemasins? That it's not very good film criticism? Well it's more like junk food surface level criticism, and it's not too serious

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 yeah but for cinemasins we could say that he does unironically criticise the movies but he doesn't really care that much and it's very low effort criticism, so it's not just a joke but also shoudn't be used as high effort critiques

@Visionary Oaks , Progressive? Red/black?

@@m.k9471 ,I mean anarchism is a progressive mindset, but given that the progressive is in modern politics send an of choice.

udonge 104, I've done the exact same thing. A year or so ago, I watched Innuendo Studios' "Angry Jack" series and found it amazingly insightful. I was a bit embarrassed when I scrolled down to see that I had previously left a dislike and a smug comment on the final video.

This thread gave me a deep sense of hope for some of the more reactionary types around me. I appreciate all of you so much who can be open and honest about your histories and am glad to have you amongst us now as a sign that all is not lost. Thank you so much

@@kaylatippett3131 It's never too late, though it does get harder the longer you stew in that impotent hatred and self-victimizing mindset that the alt-right are breed from.

Alt right is basically identity politics for white males. They don't know jackshit, it's just about finding ways to hate those who don't think or look like them

What's depressing is how common his viewpoint seems to inform buffoons around the internet. Just stumbled across the video, but been hearing related misunderstandings of neolibs for years and wondered where the BS originated, if not Teal than some related shitstains.

@@jmiquelmb identity politics is a lot more well developed and based than anything these dumbasses put out

Believe me even now, there's still a lot of people out there that believes "liberalism" is an extreme left wing ideology just based on how the word sounds

Then again, he doesn't know what Neoliberalism is, so... yeah...

Blond Panda ... Yeah, i guess that does make sense, then. *Sigh* oh, the shitlords

Looks like his ideas are as good as...roadkill 😎

Aaron Chipp-Miller well in a certain sense that's true but only in so far as literally any serious political movement attempting to change society must by definition use force and authoritarian methods at a certain point. It's essentially a meaningless charge, much like 'totalitarianism' which I could apply to literally any country on earth.

Aaron Chipp-Miller Jesus Christ

🅱️ruh moment #8

Yah. Absolute tool

Fucking nailed it

he’s the type of guy to get slightly too high and claim it’s laced

As someone who regularly is forced to pay $30 a gram I think it’s more like $50-$60 a gram

Wow I just noticed TL;DR has no videos at all now. I remember there being so many organised in playlists. Do you know what happened?

@@TheShreyaxall his videos got deleted and he just moved to alt tech video websites like Rumble. From what I can tell, he deleted them himself, his channel description is just him whining about KZfaq being biased, and how he refuses to “support this platform with my work”. Basically all he does now is just a series called “I Can’t Even News” which he actually uploads to KZfaq on a second channel. I watched a few of them months ago out of curiosity, and it was just really boring and racist.

Yeah, he moved all of his videos onto BitChute as well, and it seems that they’ve gotten even more racist. I think this all happened when he made a video on eugenics and people called him out, accusing him of being a fascist.

@@henrynelson9301hey bro, do you know any KZfaqrs that debunk him (other than this one). I am going to believe what he believes because he has studies to back them up and want someone who can debunk him. I don’t want to believe what he believes but I am not going to deny evidence for my personal feelings.

@@DominoRenzo Here’s one that’s a response to him not understanding multiple things, that ends with him saying really weird stuff about how consent is optional. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJeWe7GIlsfDoIk.htmlsi=QbeQBz87U_WDNmKN Here’s one that responds to him defending incels kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdKAdsaSnsfPioU.htmlsi=Sb0m8kJEDIeNDJFw And apparently the last video he uploaded before leaving KZfaq was defending eugenics.

You know that meme from Arthur where DW defies a sign saying "THAT CAN'T STOP ME BECAUSE I CAN'T READ!"? That's TL:DR in a nutshell.

Straight white men have this tendency to think if it's not about us, it's wrong. If it's supporting anyone else, it's obviously a waste of time at best or oppressing us at worst. No wonder there's so many libertarians among them.

And their response to the idea of privilege is "if you're so privileged, you must hate yourself" and "don't speak for an oppressed group" and then act smug when the oppressed group can't speak. If someone is being victimized, they call them a terrorist. If someone from the dominant group speaks on behalf of the victim, they go "butt out". Their strategy is to simply silence voices that make them feel uncomfortable or ask for responsibility.

Most of his content is academic studies tbh. He has to read those

Just to think that some poor artist had to draw that for a commission and would not know to what use it comes.

@@fermintenava5911 Copying Bambi's father doesn't make you artist, there are thousands of Bambi drawings on internet, but then again it's still unfortunate for the drawer.

@@fermintenava5911 he really should give artist credit, they seem good, ill get art of tha sona done

Yeah his smug chump voice is the fuckin worst

@@ferenczliszt *listens to Shaun for 1 minute* you think this shit is any different?

I love his non-chalant way to point out the most ignorant and bigot bullshit.

The first "common sense" guy not to be a right-wing nutjob.

Except for the parts where the other british dude shouts for no reason

Not for me. Since Shaun is interested in being fair and showing evidence, assholes are always talking in his videos 🤣 they do get me thinking though.

seeing the source clips is actually quite painful :^) seeing people painstakingly document poorly founded claims is just tiring. it's not unique, or of merit in any regard

Whats extra funny is Shaun is a far better Pedant than TL;DR. It takes skill to be a pedant without misrepresenting your opponent.

Because Teal Deer is a fucking moron

TL;DR should have a dipshitted video competition with Caleb Maupin.

I think Shaun is being too generous by suggesting TL;DR is an idiot. He didn't 'jump the gun' in the first example, he deliberately edited. The neoliberal bit is an argument in bad faith. The twisting of "compassion" is a bad faith argument. It's all straw men and deliberate misunderstanding. This content is for people who want to see someone be more unreasonable and disagreeable than they are willing to be, while reinforcing-and excusing- their own, 'polite' prejudices. TL;DR, this dude is just gross and doesn't care.

@@johnbehan1526 I disagree, the phenomenon of assuming the worst of your opponents is extremely common and it's not surprising he fell for it, it happens all over the place. It's much more likely he just made a series of mistakes via confirmation bias rather than deliberately misrepresenting her.

It's why he's shown buried up to his jawbone, so people can't tell how freakishly long the rest of his skeleton is. It's all in the spine aswell, it's very disturbing to look at.

"DOESN'T mean what you THINK it means" said with the condescension that only a completely wrong person can express

@@kylerclarke2689 WELL that is where you are WRONG. Kid

gay rights and pacifism.. and video game cencorship don't forget that :)

@@jayzandstra1830 She's a bastard for that, but that's not what's being targeted by teal deer.

jay zandstra censorship? How?

@@carriemillar6277 You have to understand that criticism and censorship are understood to be the same thing nowadays. She is critical of the way video games portray men and women, which many people consider censorship.

@@jayzandstra1830 so someone not sucking off your favorite vidja games is censorship now...

Well help wont help because being insane is considered normal in the west so yes sorry :/ Whatever butters your muffin

emelgiefro lmao what are you even trying to say?

@@neoir8514 He is trying to say everyone who has a different opinon than him is insane while also being condscending. This is very usual behavior for the internet to express.

Right! And the sad thing is she's probably so restrained because of all the harassment she deals with. Seems like she's trying not to step on toes or be misunderstood, but with people like TL;DR she could say "snow is cold" and they'd get riled up.

It's easy to get angry if you want to be angry.

kzfaq.info/sun/PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF

@froginatub Manbabies are notoriously fragile snowflakes, so even mild criticism makes them melt into a puddle of whimpering and hissing and crying and strawmanning. Like, seriously, they're the most thin-skinned people on the face of the planet, and any attempt to drag them out of their safe space by presenting them with things that challenge their world view results in them projecting non-stop and obsessing over it. Real men have the werewithal to engage in introspection and learning without an existential crisis.

@@jessicawhitmore5350 kzfaq.info/sun/PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF

No Lord in heaven can help TL;DR....

Deer god

Nagoragama Hopefully that reminded people that he is nothing but an angry (almost definitely virgin) secondary school kid whos only point of reference to any of this is KZfaq videos, no understanding of political or sociological concepts, but will speak on it with incredible arrogance

And still fails to give it a good definition.

@@Jagdkartoffel Quite. The "modern feminism" trope is so tediously overused.

@@Quantumoon plus too arrogant to use Google to look up a word he doesn't understand. No surprise he has to resort to strawmanning feminists if he can't keep up with terminology

I dont think you know what gas lighting means.

Please elaborate.

"Teal Deer is a spook. I'm a spook. This comment is a spook." - Max 'Spookbuster' Stirner, Ego and His Own

Green Wave 2018 "OP's username is ironically very fitting." Says the one who's username reminds me of cow flatulence rolling over the hills? facepalm

said the facist crack pot sock puppet for Shaun's small peins

Ive been scrolling through the comments newest first. The only comment i could find that was against Shaun was one that literally only said "im from the future and all i have to say is: simp"

@@diosrightcalfmuscle4090 Truly intellectual heavyweights we're dealing with here

Sarkissean always causes a hysterical overreaction from misogynists

​@@Tareltonlives It's really weird how hysterical the vitriol against her is even years after Gamergate blew up.

Or the fact that even though men do die in war, there is often a widow and sometimes even children left fatherless. Not to mention the mother of the soldier, female relatives and friends. Survivors can still be considered victims of war. widow is now stuck raising their children alone, and without the income of the husband. Life insurance only goes so far. War can have all of these affects on women, and still we have people saying men are the only victims of war and complaining that they're not forced to enter the draft. (Even though in Israel, women have mandatory military service, of two years minimum IIRC). As well as using the draft as an "example" of how society favors women and this is more proof that the patriarchy doesn't real. As Shaun said, someone has to stay behind when men go off to war, and this important responsibility that women had was part of the rise of feminism's popularity with Rosie the Riveter during WWII. And you don't even have to be drafted to be killed during a war. There were women living in Hiroshima....

It's just another example of the right's inability to view *anything* at deeper than surface level, frankly. A child would look at war video games and movies and whatnot and tell you war is all about men. An adult should know better.

I wonder what this guy has to say about the not-insignificant number of half-American kids and their mothers left behind by U.S servicemen in Asia during the last century.

I came back to this video and thought to provide a very clear example of what I meant. Now as a warning, this is obviously upsetting stuff: look up "Rape during the occupation of Germany". After WWII Soviet soldiers raped an estimate of 2 million women (German, Polish, Soviet). 2 million. Many of them were repeated rapes and gang rapes. The leathality of those rapes was around 15%. 15%!!!!! Can you imagine what one would have to do to rape someone to death? And how many more women were left permanently crippled, incontinent, with severe internal damages? Some of the victims were as young as 8 years old. I appreciate everyone else responding to this comment bringing up other, less graphic but still significant examples, but... I just need to let this sink in. This is what happens to women because of war. The above example is just one of the better documented ones among many, among all such things that happen during war and genocide. Anyone who says the war doesn't affect women is a fool. A disrespectful, uneducated fool, willingly unaware of how the oppression of one sex spikes during times of crisis, war, fascism, unwilling to even consider the significance of this. Because after all, women have it so good, they don't even get drafted, they get to just sit comfy at home while the men fight. Right?

Vehkaroni Teri as if there aren’t female soldiers and female military personnel in other roles

"Too long," and "Didn't read," aren't even separate clauses (they lack a noun). When someone's channel name is titled "Too long; didn't read", their channel's name is shortened to an acronym despite a lack of being affected by character limits *and* they incorrectly use a semicolon (something that is used to separate two related clauses), odds are they didn't read jack shit at any point in their life.

TL;DR is an often used acronym used before or after a large amount of information, giving a shortened explaination of the core of whay is being said.

Ah yes, I always mistake beards for children as well... wtf?

@@leifstennes9822 ?? Did you listen to Shaun, tho? He outlined pretty clearly that one of the reasons why war could be considered a 'feminist' issue is the idea that only men are expected or drafted to pick up arms and fight. Feminism isn't just about benefiting women. It's about equality on all fronts. This includes subjects like toxic masculinity, male victims of sexual assault and, yes, men being drafted for war. I'm also a bit uncertain how women 'reap all the benefits'? Can you explain your thoughts on this further? What is there to reap from losing loved ones/homes/lives/being trafficked or bombed or raided or left at home to both care for children and support the household/work/contribute to the war effort?

because it gives that sweet sweet money

It's always easy to pick the low hanging fruit.

Someone has to…

because those people are not bad people, they are ignorant and they genuinely believe what they falsely. those are humans like you and me and they just do what they think is right. i dont believe giving up on someone is gonna help them.

He actually explained that in the video. He was recovering from the election and wanted to cover something easy. Research is harder than smug pedantry and that's all he really did in this video since that's all tl;dr did.

Same. I think it comes out of some need to find a strong person to really behind when you're that age. You just want to be on the side of someone "owning" or "rekking" someone else (SJWs, liberals etc). I left that kind of bandwagon when brexit in the UK started to gain traction in these circles, and looking back, these guys are just... Dickheads really, and just twist people's words to fund anger in there audience... Or something like that. I don't know, I'm just glad I'm out of there. Neither left or right is always right all the time.

I escaped the whole downwards "anti SJW" spiral a couple of years back too, but i do think within all the bullshit in these peoples videos there are still good points about how Anita is saying a lot of stupid things. It's burried deep beneath the insults of course, but i think it's wrong to say Antia is doing good things just because her opponents are usually right wing idiots

Looking back at myself, I can’t think how 14 yr me thought teal dears way of arguing was the best

Y u p

Lmao I was a gay guy deaperately seeking approval from a certain demographic before I realized how self destrictive it is surrounding myself with some bastards that think I'm "not supposed to use my sexuality as identity politics" but then cheer on anyone who uses their homosexuality to "own the libtards" because they don't care about something being homophobic.

I love it when people turn everything into character assassination. It's not enough to acknowledge disagreement, there must be something that paints the opposition as morally bankrupt and lesser than the rest.

"I love it when people turn everything into character assassination." And Sarkeesian is a con artist. I love the hypocrisy! Anyway, it is not disagreements when lies after lies, quote mines and stuff like that are pointed, is it?

Hubris M "And Sarkeesian is a con artist. I love the hypocrisy!" When did I say that? "Anyway, it is not disagreements when lies after lies, quote mines and stuff like that are pointed, is it?" This has no relation to what I said. Quote-mining and lying =/= they're doing it for money. Get your head out of your ass. You don't know what you're talking about.

StateoftheNihil Maybe you didn't say it here. but the people you are defending say it quite a lot. Do you go around their channels with this point? Somehow I doubt it, hence hypocrisy. "Quote-mining and lying =/= they're doing it for money" And Janitor also didn't say anything about money. He said views. Could be pushing an agenda, fame or whatever, even money. Anyhow, so you are ok with lies and quotemines, then? You consider them ethical. Seems so. For you it is just "disagreement". I am simply tired of this shit, this dishonesty. So, in your book, one can lie and use whatever mean and must not be called out and have their ethics questioned, because reasons. Beautiful. Of course, those same people love to throw stones no-stop and harass the hell out of whoever they can. You are an ethical giant defending these people.

"Maybe you didn't say it here. but the people you are defending say it quite a lot. Do you go around their channels with this point? Somehow I doubt it, hence hypocrisy." No quote? So, I am right? Thanks. "And Janitor also didn't say anything about money. He said views. Could be pushing an agenda, fame or whatever, even money." Fair point. I assumed he implied money when he said views. Maybe he wasn't though. Thanks. "Anyhow, so you are ok with lies and quotemines, then? You consider them ethical. Seems so. For you it is just "disagreement". I am simply tired of this shit, this dishonesty." When did I say it was ethical? I agreed with some of the criticism of TL;DR in the actual video. Some I disagreed with. "So, in your book, one can lie and use whatever mean and must not be called out and have their ethics questioned, because reasons. Beautiful. Of course, those same people love to throw stones no-stop and harass the hell out of whoever they can. You are an ethical giant defending these people." Nice strawman. Not once did I even remotely suggest that TL;DR should not be called out. Get your head out of your ass.

How about fans of the shitlords stop deflecting? We can see him IN this video accusing Anita of "making up" the word neoliberalism. And any time something like this happens, the fanboys never present an actual counter proving that it didn't, because of course it did, we just fucking saw it. The refrain is always "watch their videos," as if giving them traffic is somehow going to magically undo whatever stupid thing they said that is being criticized. There's also no reason given for why you SHOULD watch the video. "Hear both sides" is not a reason, what specifically is he actually bringing to the table that merits hearing in more detail?

i mean you just wasted a lot of time explaining why we should watch the video anyway

your time is too precious to just explain what the response is but not too precious to tell someone they have to watch the video in so many words, or to bother replying to me about the whole thing a week later. its odd priorities if teal dear has such a great response somewhere in his 50 minute video that could just be explained here

it's not a weird stance to infer from your insinuation that explaining tl;dr's response would be a 'waste of your time' that you put a premium on your time. it's not weird to notice a little bit of a contradiction between spending multiple paragraphs responding to one part of a person's comment but decide the other, more relevant part of the comment isn't "worth your time". if you're making a principled stand about not taking tl;dr's explanation out of context, that would be understandable. but it's contradictory to dismiss the one thing as 'not worth your time' while also insisting that there's a great explanation for what rhetorical trick he was trying that ended up making it seem like he didn't know what "neoliberalism" mean, but refusing out of hand to just explain it. to illustrate the point i'm trying to make, i'll say this: i would 'learn' (lol) to capitalize sentences and "full stops" (do you mean punctuation?) but it's not worth my time

lol the ol' "oops i openly verifiably contradicted myself, better delete my comments just to be sure"

We should have a kickstarter to give shaun immortality

@@thescrimble agree

That's practically all they ever do.

Just look at their reaction to the new bf5 reveal trailer

Ceros Asman instead of listening to trolls about bf5 you should listen to proper critique, instead of your confirmation bias kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mMCHhtKHm-CpYIE.html

Proper critique: Soothing Voice

This vídeo literally starts from th Assumption that the devs dont make the game for the players but for the news

That's the thing, I totally take issue with quite a few of the things Anita says (although I agree with a lot of it in spirit and what she's after generally). But like.. come on. Let's at least try deconstructing her arguments. Not just pulling out little, out of context snippets and putting words in her mouth. It's very easy to argue with people when you're creating the arguments for them.

Rikki Pilgrim If you tried to actually hear the critics you would hear them, her videos about video game tropes are quite old, so are her the critiques about them, if you want to find them just search a bit for yourself. Strange how Shaun critiques people of that make videos against Anita for cherry-picking, but he does that himself.

Do you mean that he is cherry-picking the arguments to counter? Or that he's cherry-picking in a way that misrepresents TL;DR's arguments themselves? If you're saying the former then I agree with you -- there are definitely lots of legitimate arguments against Anita's ideas that would be less of a "low hanging-fruit" type of thing to pick apart, but then again I don't think that's the point of this video in particular. The point is to show that this type of argument shouldn't even be made to begin with since it's just a lazy way of showing your (typically young) viewers how to argue. There are other places for more nuanced discussion that would lead to a very different type of video than the one above, you know? I just don't think that's what he was going for. But! If you meant the latter I'm curious about why you think that. I binged a bunch of these videos in the past two days and unfortunately they've all kind of strung together so apologies if I get something wrong here. But I'd love to hear why you think this video is not representative of TL;DR's arguments (if that is in fact what you were saying above).

@@rikkirikki4892 The author of vídeo not only cherrypicked quotes parts of vídeo where he could take out things of context, he even has gone out of its way to search quotes from tl;tr vídeos to put as representative of tl;tr critique. No wonder there's these many negatives in this vídeo, Shaun not only does everything he speaks against, but even tries to manipulate the viewer.

@@rikkirikki4892 Also is not even that hard to spot the problem with Anita's arguments, like this vídeo where the author just switches the gender of characters she talks about kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i6iPm8lovLXLkXU.html , if your argument falls apart after you apply that to the group you "speak agaisnt" then that argument has no solid basis to begin with.

Don't worry- most millennial women also reject feminism, or at least the label of it. The only thing it's lead to is a more widespread embrace of gender equality.

@@11111110 Yeah, and the inability to communicate the branch of feminism one belongs to succinctly .

Not to mention that the left loves to eat its own over small ideological disagreements. The only reason people call us a hive mind is to feed into the perception that leftists are unthinking.

@@sealogic4552 true i think that has more to do with the labeling of the center as the left though like commies not rockin w democrats but the media sure thinks there’s no distinction

...or knows what a lower-case "g" looks like.

Same here, had my turning point with nobullshit. I realised that he is just insulting minorities and it really made me think

@@juliusbeutler7090 yeah I remember watching one of bearings videos where he was heavily against legalizing gay marriage even in my cringe anti sjw teen years I knew I had to stop watching him after that

His video on why he doesn't support gay marriage disgusts me.

@@drakep.5857 thats the last video i watched from him

@@leydon6946 can't believe i used to be one of those anti-feminist types. But that video, along with no bullshit once saying that he liked how doomguy in doom eternal was "White, a cacusaian, not black or a woman." Those videos helped me realize "Holy shit. These men are fascists."

Straw man and some other logical fallacies would fit.

Sophist?

I hope you don't completely abandon making response videos directly at some anti-fem channels. While I think channels like Shaun and Jen are obviously really good, important and worthwhile with their concise, well thought out and researched vids, I also think videos that get straight to the point, sharp and immediate are just as worthwhile. ContraPoints often does this in his videos, like when he talked about the made up problems of race that white people talk about in his Cultural Appropriation video. I'm not saying you don't have to be well researched, just that there's also a need for someone to just come out and outright state '' what in the fuck are you talking about? ''

Whip It Good I'm moreso referring to the "shot, reverse shot" type videos like these. There's a good way of structuring them (BadMouse and Hbomb have nailed it by making more like a video essay) but I'm trying to talk about things on a bit of a larger scale without naming individuals (not all the time, anyway).

Thom Avella haha i see you everywhere! Love your music taste, you should check out old school industrial like Throbbing Gristle, SPK, Coil etc

Thom Avella I cannot blame ya, I was going to just upload a video of me repeatedly slamming my head on my metal desk for 10 minutes as a response to a video where he says that men are "psychological tortured" when they are denied sex from their spouses.

+chocovul7 Yet his immature fans still say he isn't misogynistic at all... smh

He angered bearing fans for the most part. I think that's the fun bit here. IT'S NOT EVEN TL;DR FANS. *IT'S THE WRONG FUCKING FANBASE* Although, let's be clear here, there's likely a lot of overlap between the two fanbases.

rascalpod833 And that's how you make ad hominem personal attacks without looking at criticism.

I don't know why but the John Cena pic fits perfectly with that comment lol!

I'm late to this comment Mr Otaku. But I have eyes and so can read the comments made by the aforementioned fanboys. To call this comment you're responding to an ad hominem attack and dismiss it while very carefully not reading EVERY OTHER comment from insulting to actual threats and desires for Shaun's death...well it just demonstrates the entire point of this comment you're responding too. You're defending a guy who simply tells people he disagrees with to and I quote "Eat a bag of dicks you shit head" you're defending him by crying "Ad hominem" attack. And I assume you did it without a hint of irony.

yes i did watch the video. through a critical lense. why is s&j defending the abusive, transmisogynist gaslighter who is now in trouble with the IRS after pulling off a confidence trick?

Didn't she once say that she wasn't a gamer, and then later say that she had always been a gamer though? I thought that was always a criticism of her. Not that I have major issues with most of the other things she says. She doesn't seem very extreme or anything.

@@jankbunky4279 Well there is sort of 2 definitions of gamer, depending on the context. There's the capital G Gamer that base most of their identity on the fact that they play games, and just a normal gamer, who simply uses their free time to play and enjoy games. I didn't see the original clips of her saying that, but maybe that's what she meant?

@@disappointingperson9162 m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d8yXp8dpv9m8qn0.html (here she says she isn't a fan of games) videos.theconference.se/anita-sarkeesian-hate-and-heroism (Here around 6:14 she says she has been playing games for most of her life.) Of course the first video could be slightly manipulated to remove a bit of context but it doesn't really seem like it. Also, this doesn't mean that everything she has said is now automatically wrong, but it does feel a little sketchy to me.

@@jankbunky4279 Well there is a bit of a difference between enjoying something as part of your media and being part of the community/ fandom, she didn't make the distinction, but those two things that she said don't exactly contradict each other. I enjoy movies and have watched many since growing up and continue to do so, but I wouldn't consider myself a movie enthusiast.

@@disappointingperson9162 Its ironic to me that the subject of her talk before and after the indicated timestamp is how people try to deny women's life experiences, which is what is happening with the way those two links are being presented, one as a clip, the other a timestamp. In the second link, Anita Sarkeesian - Hate and heroism, she says that her dad was a computer engineer, her house was filled with gaming machines, she loved Mario and Kirby, and that when she was 10 she had to convince her parents to get her a game boy because they weren't sure if a male-marketed game "boy" was appropriate for a little girl. She says she played games on and off through her teenage and college years, and that she studied under a prominent games scholar, Jennifer Jenson at York University. She says she took courses on gaming and education. "In short, I've been playing games for most of my life." She goes on to expand on the conspiracy theories people have invented to denigrate her and 'prove' she doesn't play games. And then she puts a picture of a bunch of games (including Katamari Damacy, Gone Home, Plants Vs Zombies, 3's, Angry Birds, Lemmings, Mario Kart Wii, Rock Band, plus more) on the screen, and describes how they're stigmatized in a gendered manner as "casual games", "not real games" despite being some of her favorites. The fact that, when I saw that wall of games and categorized them in my head as "casual games" before she said anything, certainly lends credit to that point. She says that the male-centric focus of violent video game design and marketing and its very homogeneous playerbase as well as not being considered a "real gamer" if you don't play those types (fps and whatnot) has had the effect of making women feel unwelcome, and created a very complicated relationship between her and gaming. Which leads to this thread-relevant bit here: Quote: "As a result I, like many women, have had a complicated relationship with video games. My engagement with gaming has ebbed and flowed over the years, but I keep coming back to it out of a genuine love for the potential of the medium and a belief that it can be better." Continued: "So, even though I was actually playing a lot of games, these kinds of games [indicating the games displayed behind her], I still at various times in my life refused to call myself a gamer. And I didn't identify as a fan of the medium as a whole, which I think is not that uncommon of an experience for young women." ...like, her defense is built into that talk. It makes perfect sense to me why she said what she did in the first video, though I would sure like to have the whole video instead of a snippet for proper context. Her relationship with video games was complicated, she may have actually internalized the idea that she wasn't a "real gamer" for not liking certain games. She might not have been up to speed with the industry as a whole at the time. But people like to take that statement, without any nuance, without granting her the benefit of doubt, her lived experience, her education, and her clearly passion-focused career, and just use those few words to define her, to defeat her. To shut her down.

Mitchell Drummer *backhanded complement cannon ready to fire* He makes the rest of furries look like saints. He’s just that bad

As a Christian leftist, I hate how certain theologians can be extremely smart and knowlegeable about theology, but willfully ignorant about trans issues and leftism.

The video he is responding to is literally the deer responding to Anita’s arguments tf?

@@RV-fo8xj my man you've heard of a straw man?

losspol _ well, guess I’m just surprised you’d comment that when every video I’ve ever seen from a right winger has been a response video. Plus, I don’t think he’s purposely strawmaning, I think he just misunderstands a lot... come to think of it that’s why internet debates never work

@@RV-fo8xj you don't think he's purposely strawmanning? he literally misquotes her and cuts off her sentences lmao. if that isn't purposeful, i'm not sure what does.

No. No murder. Please do not eat your political opponents.

consume thy enimie?

Teal veal?

Makes sense. After all, a vegan friend of mine agreed with my assertion that eating a Fortune 500 CEO would do more for the environment than being vegan would.

Daniel Recor ...I'm a vegan, but that doesn't mean I don't eat all meat...

Not even to go over how the story of COD games always paint the soldiers as saints we aren't allowed to judge

not to mention toxic masculinity encourages young men to be “heroic” and disregard their personal safety, and leaves a lot of vets with survivors guilt.

Jaganshi Hiei Bearing fans. The little joke he made in the beginning was apparently so offensive they had to dislike the video.

TL;DR made a reply video where he looks like he "wrecks" this video Spoiler alert: it's full of holes

Creepy Jigglypuff, you answered your own question! 😃

Destroying things is so overrated on this side of the internet.

they just dislike the video and run away, happens to a lot of leftist content

he sounds confident without coming along as overly smug. isn't this what they call big dick energy?

@@cmb9173 ENORMOUS DONG POWER

He sounds like a pimple-faced nerd about to activate his trap card.

@@antonslavik4907 he sounds like a pretty cool dude imo

@@bluelight2681 I don't know what that guy thinks, but IMO Shaun is the coolest pimple faced nerd about to activate his trap card in the world. Solidarity of the cards and pedantry for the good of society is Shaun's MO in his vids.

"exactly what it says on the tin"

Same.

Woah I just saw you on that furry wolf commercial that’s a weird coincidence

A former anti-sjw? So what's your thoughts on eg. Cancel culture? Because I can't help but notice your post doesn't come with a "fire my for posting this" button?

Same. I followed them all for a year and a half before I broke the spell and realized how hypocritical it all was.

I'm JUST getting into Shaun's channel, and honest to god, every time I see a comment like this, I get a little bit more faith that we (as a species) might just get our shit together.

sure tell yourself that. it has nothing to do with the quality of the content

Yeah with almost eight thousand likes it seems this is pretty lit

Ben Benson it doesn't. you're just triggered

30 minutes of TLDR getting his avatar ass handed to him? Pretty cool, right?

@@benbenson5776 Nobody on the left side of KZfaq pays attention to the dislike ratios anymore. We all know the snowflakes on the right will flock to anything they disagree with just to click the dislike button. But sure, keep giving Shaun the traffic.

Yeah that’s definitely true. But why does that mean you haven’t made a new friend in the fandom? Furries are the like the most liberal and leftist people I’ve ever met

@@dimthecat9418 every group not defined by politics will have people with shitty politics including furries, theres plenty of far right, fash, or reactionairy furries out there, just as there are plenty of leftist and liberal ones i dont think there is any reason to connect them to politics directly, some might argue that they are often treated as a minorty but i honestly disagree, most people do not care and furry stuff is super common, only terminally online people really have strong opinions on them and thats like only "gamers" anyways

I can believe it. It's not something the average person is very familiar with. What I can't believe is that, because he didn't know what it was, it therefore was a made up word that didn't mean anything.