Why Labour’s By-Election Win is a Disaster for Sunak and the SNP

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@iandhr1
@iandhr1 10 ай бұрын
As a Yank who likes to observe UK politics, Labour seems to follow the "don't interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake" strategy. It seems to be working.
@joemann2178
@joemann2178 10 ай бұрын
It's the same sad state of democracy as the US, UK and US are oligarchies who pay 2 political parties to make it look like a democracy. The reason there isn't a third major political party is because it's a waste of money for corporations to pay for a third, when 2 makes it look like a democracy.
@yaxsuo
@yaxsuo 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@joemann2178 There are positives and negatives to having a two-party system it makes the election a lot easier, unlike multi-party democracies where people need to make deals with multiple parties which is quite difficult. The US and the UK are still functioning democracies they aren't perfect(no democracy is) but I rather live there instead of in a despot state. Also, the US always had a 2 party system, yes was there a 3rd party but they've never had a chance because of how small their agenda was
@joemann2178
@joemann2178 10 ай бұрын
@@yaxsuo two party system is hardly democracy when they are controlled by the same people.
@yaxsuo
@yaxsuo 10 ай бұрын
@@joemann2178 They aren't though even though the US had troubles with the elections they're still clean and they have term limits for people so while the parties are mostly going to be Democrats or Republicans the people won't be the same
@joemann2178
@joemann2178 10 ай бұрын
@@isabelstokes4042 US is run by people who can't even talk properly, and want to jail their opposition. Doesn't seem democratic to me.
@daviddevoy2197
@daviddevoy2197 10 ай бұрын
The other thing to note here us that the guy who won it for Labour had policies more aligned with the SNP than with Starmer.
@leonharrison800
@leonharrison800 10 ай бұрын
Why we need a progressive coalition to defend, not traitorous Labour candidates.
@big_slurp4603
@big_slurp4603 10 ай бұрын
Its also important to note Scottish labour as a whole is not pro-independence, so even if some MPs or policies overlap they are still radically different to the current political establishment in Scotland. Their manifesto makes that clear. They have made a point of saying they wish to decentralise power in Scotland and empower local communities and promote mutual cooperation between all member nations of the United Kingdom, unlike the SNP who they suggest would rather hoard their wealth instead of cooperating with England, Wales and Northern Ireland to implement policies beneficial to *everyone* nationally. It does seem somewhat ambitious, but assuming Scottish Labour and English Labour both do well in the next elections that could very well be possible.
@leonharrison800
@leonharrison800 10 ай бұрын
@@big_slurp4603 Well discard. Time to defend the SSP!!!
@isabelstokes4042
@isabelstokes4042 10 ай бұрын
I am a Labour supporter, and I'm delighted with the result. BUT the best thing about this is that the Tories were absolutely FLATTENED - even lost their deposit! Best result ever.
@Yeppo_
@Yeppo_ 10 ай бұрын
As an Aussie who supports our labor, congrats to you guys. And to hell with the tories!
@isabelstokes4042
@isabelstokes4042 10 ай бұрын
@@Yeppo_ The fact that they lost their deposit makes it absolutely perfect! Welcome to Scotland!
@karankapoor2701
@karankapoor2701 10 ай бұрын
​@@isabelstokes4042 did sturgeon figure out what a woman is yet
@PorthLlwyd
@PorthLlwyd 10 ай бұрын
If you hate the Tories so much why don't you support a party willing to bring in proportional representation instead of supporting Labour?
@thevis5465
@thevis5465 10 ай бұрын
@@Yeppo_ this is NOT good, labour winning over the tories is fine (even though theyre just red tories now) but the SNP is the only party that will bring change. The UK needs to collapse.
@penelopegreene
@penelopegreene 10 ай бұрын
"You give away tax cuts to The Rich, and gut Social Services to the bone, and what thanks you get for it, you ungrateful reprobates ????" --Tories 😂
@tonyfraser1749
@tonyfraser1749 10 ай бұрын
The rich?? meaning Sir Beer korma and Thornberry to??? and we could run through the front bench of the Liebour party, Milibands more millionares!!! Oh those rich Tory boys eh???
@SaintGerbilUK
@SaintGerbilUK 10 ай бұрын
What tax cuts are you taking about tax is the highest since the war?
@SmartCookie2022
@SmartCookie2022 10 ай бұрын
You must be a dyed in the wool leftard because there's just as many millionaires in the Labour party as the Conservatives.
@merengueatang4
@merengueatang4 10 ай бұрын
​@@tonyfraser1749yes. They mean the rich politicians who make all the laws, whichever party they may be in. At this point Labour is basically just the Tories but hopefully slightly less terrible.
@SevenEllen
@SevenEllen 10 ай бұрын
"Liebour", oh because the Tories are known for ALWAYS telling the truth???@@tonyfraser1749
@diegovasquez840
@diegovasquez840 10 ай бұрын
Labour in the UK and the Democrats in the US have mastered the strategy of “Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing”
@hg82met
@hg82met 10 ай бұрын
Tactical voting should mean Tories will not win a single seat because the anti-Tory vote is splintered. People on the left and centre should put their differences aside and work together to boot the Tories out of office in every constituency.
@tomhathaway2556
@tomhathaway2556 10 ай бұрын
Where were you a couple of years ago?
@AlexanderMaleedy-ur5nf
@AlexanderMaleedy-ur5nf 10 ай бұрын
I really dont like the tories but I think you're sadly underestimating how many rural and older people still will vote for them
@SaintGerbilUK
@SaintGerbilUK 10 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of the Tories or Labour, but it says something that you need tactical voting in order to disrupt the natural democratic advantage that the Tories have. It sounds very undemocratic.
@bmcc901
@bmcc901 10 ай бұрын
The majority Pro Union vote is splintered in Scotland Tactical voting in Scotland amongst Pro Union voters gets rid of the SNP though. I know folk who would normally vote Conservative voted Labour in this by election to oust the SNP for that very reason
@SevenEllen
@SevenEllen 10 ай бұрын
I agree. We can't suffer any more Tory cruelty in this country.
@arpandas2296
@arpandas2296 10 ай бұрын
This would not only give a boost to labour in scotland but also it might give them a final hour push in mid beds as the clear choice against tories there.
@casperwallace9685
@casperwallace9685 10 ай бұрын
Yea, massive - Scotland has moved them from 1 LABOUR MP - to 2 LABOUR MPS.
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
​@@casperwallace9685anybody with basic math knows Labour would have 2 seats. What's interesting is the margin.
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
​@@casperwallace9685Even if Labour would have won by 10 as according to polls they still would have won 20 seats next year.
@jonsmith5058
@jonsmith5058 10 ай бұрын
@@casperwallace9685 what a stupid take, not all the seats were up for grabs. You could also say Labour won 100% of the seats in the byelection, you could also say they doubled their number of seats. I agree you cannot predict an election but its a very interesting indicator. Personally I hate Starmer and want the SNP to stay dominant in Scotland, mostly to force a coallition. We need to stop one party politics.
@ANGEL_BOB_YT
@ANGEL_BOB_YT 10 ай бұрын
​@@arpandas2243If they take Scotland they will take the country
@TimmyTheTinman
@TimmyTheTinman 10 ай бұрын
I bet who’s really happy about this more than anybody is Gordon Brown, he’s witnessing the comeback of Scottish labour, which is his true Home which must feel good after years of Scottish labor being irrelevant
@graemeroberts7367
@graemeroberts7367 10 ай бұрын
😆 😆 😆 you think labour losing votes means they are now coming back 😂
@bt3743
@bt3743 9 ай бұрын
​@@graemeroberts7367nothing says losing votes like winning with over half the vote in a seat you lost last time
@graemeroberts7367
@graemeroberts7367 9 ай бұрын
@@bt3743 😆 😂 😂 bless it’s like you don’t realise they lost votes as in they got 2000 voters less than when they lost the seat 😂 😂 😂 😆 Facts aren’t your enemy buddy
@graemeroberts7367
@graemeroberts7367 9 ай бұрын
@@bt3743 snp voters just didn’t vote because of Ferrier it’s that simple Until you understand complex issues stay of the internet
@andyhemsted4570
@andyhemsted4570 10 ай бұрын
Think this video massively underestimates the Unionist tactile voting. I know a family who live in this seat. A Conservative voting family. They all voted Labour to get rid of SNP. I also know a work colleague who is a Labour member but in a Conservative/SNP seat. He has said they will vote Tory to get rid of their SNP MP at next election. Certainly be interesting to see how that plays out
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
So even if Tory vote reduces they could still gain seats because of further collapse in SNP vote???
@rtozier2011
@rtozier2011 10 ай бұрын
​@@arpandas2243Yes. The Tories had 13 seats in Scotland between 2017 and 2019. So if Labour and Lib Dem etc voters decided to vote Tory to oust the SNP, the Tories could gain back those extra 7. Plus a few others where they're the main opposition. I don't see it happening on a wide scale though. The Tories may be even more unpopular right now than the SNP: I don't see a lot of Labour voters currently going Tory just for the sake of unionism.
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
@@rtozier2011 Oh that's pretty good. Labour sweeping the central belt, Lib Dems sweeping the north while Tories sweeping the south and east. Both Yousef and Sturgeon could then enjoy time on prison.
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 10 ай бұрын
@@rtozier2011 If the sole objective really is "SNP out", then the best strategy would be for parties to form electoral pacts and only field candidates where they know they can win. For example don't field Tory candidates in Glasgow. They are never going to win and the would-be Tory vote will happily back Labour (but the vice versa isn't true). In 2017 and 2019 we had situations where both Lab and Con surged and cancelled each other out, letting the mediocre SNP vote sneak up the middle. Don't field Labour in Fife and Edinburgh West. That is LD country. And so on. But it won't ever happen.
@adrianthoroughgood1191
@adrianthoroughgood1191 10 ай бұрын
​@@halfbakedproductions7887unfortunately very long standing Labour party rules require them to field a candidate in every seat (not counting NI). It's also forbidden for a labour member to publicly support another party. So they best they can do is field a token candidate and not help them get elected. The local Labour party did this for Caroline Lucas. They campaigned in a neighbouring constituency instead.
@freddytang2128
@freddytang2128 10 ай бұрын
As a Canadian I see some parallel between Quebec and Scotland. Even if a lot of Scot’s are sympathetic towards separatism, at a certain point they move on and worry about other issues and vote for other parties
@mrsplashmanjr1285
@mrsplashmanjr1285 10 ай бұрын
I have always seen parallels Canadian politics and uk politics you have the block of Québec we have the SNP you have the NDP and we have the Liberal Democrat’s I know NDP are kinda socialists but they occupy the same place as the Lib Dem’s in are political and of course you have tories and we have the original tories
@freddytang2128
@freddytang2128 10 ай бұрын
@@mrsplashmanjr1285 of course, if countries are people, Britain is daddy and Canada is the kid 😂 (and France is the mom)
@graemeroberts7367
@graemeroberts7367 10 ай бұрын
It’s funny as snp voters didn’t come out because they were angry with the snp mp who traveled with covid Labour lost votes here
@markmcghee3672
@markmcghee3672 10 ай бұрын
One major difference with Quebec and Scotland is that each part of Canada is truly equal. Quebec is in an enviable position.
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 10 ай бұрын
More interesting is the dominance of SNP even in FPTP while splitting the vote with Labour.
@jayfielding1333
@jayfielding1333 10 ай бұрын
For an account called TLDR News, these videos are always ironically twice as long as they need to be.
@TheDarkhorse1947
@TheDarkhorse1947 10 ай бұрын
Good result but not as good as they make out. The turn out was dreadful. Just goes to show how cut off the people feel. Even the Tory voters could not be bothered.
@joshuaswart8211
@joshuaswart8211 10 ай бұрын
For a by-election, turnout was certainly NOT dreadful. This is very normal turnout for a by-election.
@TheDarkhorse1947
@TheDarkhorse1947 10 ай бұрын
@@joshuaswart8211 By-election or not. If you cant be bothered to vote dont complain about what you get.
@bmcc901
@bmcc901 10 ай бұрын
I know of a few Tory voters who voted Labour This is a vote against the SNP
@PorthLlwyd
@PorthLlwyd 10 ай бұрын
​@@TheDarkhorse1947I can absolutely complain under a first past the post system. My vote literally counts for nothing.
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 10 ай бұрын
@@bmcc901 Tory voters will happily back Labour. Labour voters won't touch the Tories with a barge pole.
@graemefindlater5234
@graemefindlater5234 10 ай бұрын
Labour won't retake Scotland. As a Scot, Labour will ever be trusted and do not have Scotlands interest at heart. This was a reacrion to the previous MP. Labour are as gross as the tories.... rank rotteb
@TheMercifulKnight
@TheMercifulKnight 10 ай бұрын
NHS, Built so many hospitals, youth clubs, real apprenticeships. Complete opposite of what the Tories gave us for the last 13 years 😂
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 10 ай бұрын
And the SNP ranks are just McTories.
@oicrusader2143
@oicrusader2143 4 ай бұрын
The SNP are ran by brown Hitler at the moment. I'd rather vote for literally anyone else in Scotland than for Humza yousaf.
@angelaslittlebit
@angelaslittlebit 10 ай бұрын
Listening to this, and the wider media, it does seem that this is being taken a little bit out of context. The really interesting figures are the Scotland wide polling because it seems reasonable to assume that having had a "bad" MP would have damaged their parties local vote.
@XxHaythamKenwayxX
@XxHaythamKenwayxX 10 ай бұрын
It's been clear since Sturgeon stepped down that Labour can benefit from this. Now that the hopes of independence have pretty much dropped in priority compared to getting the Tories out, this by-election proves this to be true. Of course the expectation of a massive SNP loss likely won't be true at a GE, there will be a noticeable drop in SNP seats nonetheless.
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 10 ай бұрын
Some of the most accurate and reliable pollsters are putting Labour and the SNP as neck-and-neck with an equal number of seats. One outlier has Labour ahead by maybe 2-3. The other seats will be taken up by LD and the Tories - all are unionists. I don't think the SNP will even do as well as they did in 2017 and will fall back to their worst footing since 2010.
@farhanatashiga3721
@farhanatashiga3721 10 ай бұрын
Just like with the overall national outlook for the conservatives the most that will happen to snp in Scotland is probably losing the majority.
@graemeroberts7367
@graemeroberts7367 10 ай бұрын
😂 37% turnout with labour losing votes Doesn’t sound like labour have gained really when snp Voters stayed home 😂 and labour took no votes from them
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 10 ай бұрын
My seat is SNP held with Cons second. I vote SNP for generals right now as I want Tory out but now I am afraid I might be vote splitting and Cons sneak a win thru. How are we supposed to know? We need PR.
@GarethT902
@GarethT902 10 ай бұрын
​@theuglykwan PR doesn't work just look at Europe bearly any country has a stable government. Hell would literally have to freeze over before Starmer did a deal with the SNP.
@ilokivi
@ilokivi 10 ай бұрын
There are 59 parliamentary constituencies in Scotland. This is one of them. One swallow doesn’t make a summer.
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 10 ай бұрын
There will be 56 at the next election. And check some polls.
@graemeroberts7367
@graemeroberts7367 10 ай бұрын
Especially when labour lost over 1000 votes since 2019
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 10 ай бұрын
SNP won 48 out of 59 seats. Scotland will have 57 seats going forward due to boundary changes equalizing population. In 2017, SNP got 35 seats. I think they might drop down back to around there.
@michaek7438
@michaek7438 10 ай бұрын
labour won’t retake scotland. voter turnout was so low and Labour hold the seat for a year. Scotland will never forgive the Red Tories
@gg-ps1vz
@gg-ps1vz 10 ай бұрын
we'll see
@xb2856
@xb2856 10 ай бұрын
TLDR has made about 20 videos on how labour will destroy the SNP. They really have a bone to pick with them. I don’t think it will work out as they say it will tho
@seaghnelson9873
@seaghnelson9873 10 ай бұрын
From Blantyre in this constituency from a family of labour voters and personally think from speaking to others that labour are overestimating the size of this win as there is a substantially large protest vote based on my experience from talking through the last few weeks.
@graemeroberts7367
@graemeroberts7367 10 ай бұрын
Labour lost votes compared to 2019 so telling everyone they’ve done great is laughable
@SirWhig-esq.
@SirWhig-esq. 10 ай бұрын
All we have left is hope.
@jackdubz4247
@jackdubz4247 10 ай бұрын
There is no hope under Anglo-centric unionism. The UK is over.
@thehealinggame
@thehealinggame 10 ай бұрын
Im not too bothered if they get a lot of seats in Scotland, because If elected, Labour will be a one term government unless they change the voting system straight away. The Tories and their mates in Tufton Street and the media are already gearing up to try and blame them for the appalling mess the Conservatives have got our country into. So a hung parliament with the Lib Dems demanding IMMEDIATE electoral reform would be the best outcome to freeze the Tories out for a generation or more.
@PorthLlwyd
@PorthLlwyd 10 ай бұрын
If this doesn't get brought up in the election next year I'm moving to Scotland and campaigning for independence.
@ciaranmarsh255
@ciaranmarsh255 10 ай бұрын
Labour will probably win two terms
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 10 ай бұрын
There are already people talking about the 2029 GE being a hung parliament because Labour won't do such a grand job. We'll see.
@TouringTony
@TouringTony 10 ай бұрын
The Tories will be out of office for over a decade Before then they'll be too busy enjoying fighting internally
@pamelafeeney8086
@pamelafeeney8086 10 ай бұрын
This is exactly what the Republicans do in the U.S. They rob us blind when in power, then lose and blame the Democrats for the mess they made as we work like mad to clean up after them. In the face of MAGA, swing voters are inexplicable.
@brucemorland1406
@brucemorland1406 10 ай бұрын
37% turnout for a by election. A seat that changes hands often. Other than winning the seat there's nothing positive about the result for Labour in Scotland
@monkeynews8311
@monkeynews8311 10 ай бұрын
Keep telling yourself that. 58% of the vote and a 20% swing from SNP to labour is huge!
@grant6849
@grant6849 10 ай бұрын
@@monkeynews8311in a 37% election turn out? It’s not the win that you think it is
@brucemorland1406
@brucemorland1406 10 ай бұрын
@@monkeynews8311 I will. And you keep dreaming that labour will do anything in Scotland. Don't offer anything different to the tories. They are just the red version.
@graemeroberts7367
@graemeroberts7367 10 ай бұрын
@@monkeynews8311 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 you really are hilarious as you understand nothing you talk about Labour lost votes as we’ve proved already
@SirEnVo
@SirEnVo 10 ай бұрын
Are TLDR going to talk about the By-Election in my area of Mid-Beds? It seems like Emma from the LibDem's has a real chance to win a Tory stronghold. I've met Emma and Ed Davey recently in my barbers, met Labours candidate and the Independant. Tory seem to be hiding after the embaressment of Nadine Dorris. Never met her in all her time as our MP and she didn't even live here! Awful MP.
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
It would be good if Labour wins.
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
Lib Dems shouldn't even show their face after what they did between 2010-2015
@paulfairbairn1066
@paulfairbairn1066 10 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a coalition between the Lib-dems and labour. Get the fascist tories out for good.
@Jay_Johnson
@Jay_Johnson 10 ай бұрын
I can’t help but feel this is going to be something like a 30:25:25 split with the tories clinging on. Is there a nimby movement? I know the east west Oxford Cambridge rail line is happening but it seems like the Lib Dems usually need some nimby factor to coalesce around.
@SaintGerbilUK
@SaintGerbilUK 10 ай бұрын
​@@paulfairbairn1066unfortunately the LibDems think Labour are fascist and I wouldn't be surprised if Labour thinks LibDems are fascist too. Because we throw the word around like it doesn't mean anything anymore.
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 10 ай бұрын
An important point that I haven't seen people talk about is the decline in support for the SNP in Scotland ever since 2015 *in consecutive elections* "despite Brexit"
@miamha
@miamha 10 ай бұрын
"The district of 'carlton'" 😅 I've spoken to a coworker in that constituency. He said turnout would be low since the folks he knows are pissed off with Margaret Ferrier, and at the SNP for not delivering independence so a lot are just not voting in the by-election. What that means for the GE nae scooby. We'll see in the GE but I'd be skeptical of any predictions.
@schotscarface18ssf75
@schotscarface18ssf75 10 ай бұрын
i been saying the same thing i see nationlist switching votes soon to alba
@anonitachi6966
@anonitachi6966 10 ай бұрын
I hope that the SNP get themselves sorted, and leave the rotting ghost ship that is Britain/England.
@juice6521
@juice6521 10 ай бұрын
You really think Scotland would be better off economically as a separate country?
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 10 ай бұрын
The SNP need a good kicking and time in the wilderness before they can "get themselves sorted". Kicked into the sidelines like the Tories in the 2000s would do them the world of good.
@anonitachi6966
@anonitachi6966 10 ай бұрын
@@juice6521 100% yes. Their exports will be their own. Their resources will be their own. Their devolpment and use of green tech will be their own. They'll rejoin the SM and, not have Westminster dipping their greedy, toff fingers into the profits. Yes, I think they will be much better away from England. Also my wee forecast/dream when Ireland unites, a Celtic market consisting of a United Ireland, Scotland and the Nordic lands. I really don't see why that can't happen.
@anonitachi6966
@anonitachi6966 10 ай бұрын
@@juice6521 lastly, Britain is toxic, outdated, failing and going in a direction that is not compatible with the future. It is a folly. Why would anyone want to remain on a sinking ship?
@shivill2236
@shivill2236 10 ай бұрын
​@@anonitachi6966Mate you are as delusional as those Brexiteers on the far right.
@user-hx7xk3hl9v
@user-hx7xk3hl9v 10 ай бұрын
In 2014, I vowed never to vote Labour again. I'm not the only one.
@MrAndrewFarrow
@MrAndrewFarrow 10 ай бұрын
Never read too much into a single by-election. Especially where the incumbent was so disgraced..
@HarryAidan1819
@HarryAidan1819 10 ай бұрын
Why is still nobody talking about the absolute collapse in the turnout? 37%? While it may be a by-election this is still catastrophically low all things considered. So a 31pt swing surely isn't as good on a low turnout especially when the total votes cast for labour is lower than in 2019 (17,000 odd this year compared to 19,000 odd in 2019)
@juice6521
@juice6521 10 ай бұрын
This is what happens when the opposition is gaining momentum based on how bad the current party is doing and not through any merits of their own. If Labour wants a real majority, they need to actually galvanise voters.
@HarryAidan1819
@HarryAidan1819 10 ай бұрын
@juice6521 this is exactly my point
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 10 ай бұрын
Turnout for the 3 previous by elections recently were 44-46% so this one is a bit lower, perhaps due to being a poorer area accounts for the difference?
@HarryAidan1819
@HarryAidan1819 10 ай бұрын
@theuglykwan I don't see how the economic wealth of an area remotely explains a 7%+ drop in turnout compared to those other by-elections
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 10 ай бұрын
@@HarryAidan1819 It is textbook that areas with higher unemployment tend to have lower turnout.
@daviddevoy2197
@daviddevoy2197 10 ай бұрын
The SNP are still 10 points ahead in the polls over Labour in contrast to the Tories down south.
@davidhall7744
@davidhall7744 10 ай бұрын
Never voted Labour in my life, but defo will this time to get rid of the Tories 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 10 ай бұрын
Maddening, isn't it? I live in the US and spent half of my life voting indie because both our big parties are objectively terrible and I didn't want to be complicit in their activities. But the imbalance between the degree of villainy has gotten so bad I'm forced to give my vote to the Lesser of Two Evils to keep the other side out of power. We're stuck in a disgusting binary system over here and voting has become entirely a matter of who (or what) I'm against rather than anyone I'm actually in favor of.
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
@@richmcgee434 And who is the lesser of the two evils according to you
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 10 ай бұрын
@@arpandas2243 Who I vote for is none of your damn business. I loathe both parties, and I'm not interested in trying to convince anyone else how to vote. If you can't look at the situation today and see a clear choice that's your problem. At the very worst you'll cancel out my vote by accident.
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
@@richmcgee434 I mean it's clear Dems are the better option. Trump's legal troubles and Republican infighting in house are biggest examples. Are all Americans rude and ill mannered like you
@Batters56
@Batters56 10 ай бұрын
That’s interesting, I thought that Scottish people wanted Labour to talk about the SNP North of the border even if the seat is for Westminster?
@christopherquinn4744
@christopherquinn4744 10 ай бұрын
NO BECAUSE. SCOTLAND ARE PISSED OF WITH SNP. SLEAZE AND DISLIKE THE TORIES !
@Jesse_Carl
@Jesse_Carl 10 ай бұрын
The graph of results at the start needed labels. Why were there two bars for each seat? Is the second bar the results from last election?
@johngrundy9849
@johngrundy9849 10 ай бұрын
its not that simple if you look back at the last general election. The turn out is lower. votes cast for Labour are less than last time. By-election results can be different to general elections.
@jacobite1017
@jacobite1017 10 ай бұрын
37% turnout in a by-election tells you heehaw. What policies were Labour fronting?
@davidty2006
@davidty2006 10 ай бұрын
that says SNP is shit at campaigning. Also what were the SNP policies? Could of held it right after the conferance when they were fresh in set voters minds but noo.
@scottyfive4319
@scottyfive4319 10 ай бұрын
@@davidty2006 Sorry another person not thinking or incapable of thinking. Another Liebour OR SNP MP at Westminster makes no difference to the people of Scotland no matter their policies. Liebour policies NO CHANGE FROM TORY POLICIES, hence the number of vote to LIEBOUR that same as 2019 which they lost.
@lenabo9929
@lenabo9929 10 ай бұрын
sure it very low. and we cant take full conclusions from it. however if it a deal that shows the current slump for the SNP. Which I do not see them regaining in time for the GE. Although, i still see the SNP being the largest party in Scotland they will have a result similar to 2017, maybe only managing like 25/20 seats. Labour will likely pick up about 20, which would be a good performance.
@graemefindlater5234
@graemefindlater5234 10 ай бұрын
Labour can never have power in Scotland again.. and they won't. This is an outlet.. Labour offer nothing to Scots.. they are tory light
@iandhr1
@iandhr1 10 ай бұрын
They seem to follow the "don't interpret your opponent when they are making a mistake" strategy. It seems to be working.
@warlockkingoftalking
@warlockkingoftalking 10 ай бұрын
As a fan of TLDR News it's a bit of a culture shock to here you talking about the small towns I lived in.
@David8n
@David8n 10 ай бұрын
The turnout at this election was pitiful; about half that of the general election. A huge number of voters seem to be displaying of the choices presented. 'They're all cr@p' and 'it makes no difference' is the overwhelming sentiment.
@abody499
@abody499 10 ай бұрын
Sir Kid Starver having a majority will be no different to how it is today. The best thing for everyone would be that the current opposition has a combined majority and they have to work together to form a government. From there we could then talk about electoral reform and PR.
@somecuriosities
@somecuriosities 10 ай бұрын
We can only dream! 🙌
@diegog.4351
@diegog.4351 10 ай бұрын
I don’t know why I’m here I live in Arizona USA
@Fredreegz
@Fredreegz 10 ай бұрын
I don’t think you really touched on the unusual nature of by-elections. The context of why the by-election is being held usually significantly effects the motives of the voters.
@ignaciozafra1223
@ignaciozafra1223 10 ай бұрын
Good results for labour, but it was a very low turnout. We'll see what happens in a general election
@gordon1545
@gordon1545 10 ай бұрын
"Disaster" - the SNP *still* lead Labour in every poll for both the Scottish Parliament and the UK parliament. This was one of Labour's strongest constituencies in Scotland.
@gregprocter765
@gregprocter765 10 ай бұрын
Find it bizarre that scotland has anything to with its less attractive cousin England
@colinthompson3111
@colinthompson3111 10 ай бұрын
It rather looks as if you are taking one data point, TLDR, and telling me it is a trend.
@axxx2159
@axxx2159 10 ай бұрын
recent times finally give me hope for a labour government - i just pray starmer pulls it off
@michaelathanasiou2030
@michaelathanasiou2030 10 ай бұрын
Starmer will ROB 50% of your house via inheritance tax ( get a brain and keep your house for your children please ) google Labour's policy on iheritance tax
@thomasarmstrong1574
@thomasarmstrong1574 10 ай бұрын
The only thing Starmer can pull off is massive U turns don't kid yourself and WAKE UP.
@nothereandthereanywhere
@nothereandthereanywhere 10 ай бұрын
@@thomasarmstrong1574 I would rather Starmer to Tories. Sorry, that is a fact.
@petrus_red
@petrus_red 10 ай бұрын
At this point, Tories are not even a competition
@casperwallace9685
@casperwallace9685 10 ай бұрын
You have never needed Scotland's vote for a Labour Government. The reason you don't get Labour Governments is because England won't vote for them. I think since the 70's Scotland's vote has only impacted a Labours chances once.
@wabalaladabdab
@wabalaladabdab 10 ай бұрын
The only reason Scotland remained in the UK in 2015 because of the tory lies about staying in the EU. Only if Scotland had left when they had the chance, by now they could have normal Scottish left-wing, liberal, right-wing parties, etc...
@davidty2006
@davidty2006 10 ай бұрын
No it'll end up like northern ireland.
@Dwina5892
@Dwina5892 10 ай бұрын
@davidty2006 no only possible if England Westminster Parliament holds Scotland Captive. Present Tory Govt is an English Govt Scotland dont Vote Tory enmass.
@davidty2006
@davidty2006 10 ай бұрын
@@Dwina5892 Explain how tf the border between england and scotland would work? Also are you sure that the tories wouldn't fund armed groups to cause havoc around it?
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 10 ай бұрын
So what you're saying is that Scottish voters are gullible and susceptible to propaganda? Now, there's a thing.
@Dwina5892
@Dwina5892 10 ай бұрын
@@davidty2006 hopefully not but zscotland would move back to EU Partnership they didnot Vote to leave. With that Partnership I would hope sensible heads would prevail (unfortunately that would rule out 80-90% of today's Tory Party) But no I don't think itvwould come to armed fight UK World Reputation at moment is in the tiolet, it would only do more damage to what is left of the UK
@campbellross6375
@campbellross6375 10 ай бұрын
No they won’t. Only 37% turnout in very heavy rain. SNP will retake the seat next year in the general election.
@lenabo9929
@lenabo9929 10 ай бұрын
Unlikely, sure there are a load of reasons for such a low turnout. But those that did not vote doesnt mean there is enough for the SNP to have a majority. I think Labour will hold the seat. The SN|P like the torys deserve to loose seats if the electorate feels that way. They have both show contempt for the electorate and abused their power. the SNP wasted time and money instead of doing there sole job of running Scotland. Their project for independence has major similarities with Brexit. This nations does require massive constitution reform decentralising power away from westmister.
@campbellross6375
@campbellross6375 10 ай бұрын
@@lenabo9929 Scotland needs independence not more devolution
@lenabo9929
@lenabo9929 10 ай бұрын
@@campbellross6375 na we don't
@campbellross6375
@campbellross6375 10 ай бұрын
@@lenabo9929 we definitely do
@seamusoneill99
@seamusoneill99 10 ай бұрын
As an outside observer, it would seem that the Scottish independence issue, while still highly salient to voters, has been pushed to the backburner as more pressing whole-of-UK issues are front and center. This election should not be read as a softening of sentiment in favor of independence, but a recognition among Scottish voters that, right now, there are bigger (or more easily reachable) fish to fry. It also shows a certain level of disgust at how the SNP leadership have conducted themselves in recent months (i.e. the campaign financing scandals). There may be some doubt now that SNP is the party that should lead Scotland to independence. I would guess SNP and Labour win a large share of Scottish votes, and the Conservatives are pushed to the margins. The next UK election will see major losses for the SNP, but it's unclear if Labour will actually be able to displace them as the largest party in Scotland. We'll just have to wait and see.
@margaretwyatt6689
@margaretwyatt6689 10 ай бұрын
Hope so
@alexgregory5583
@alexgregory5583 10 ай бұрын
You probably should have mentioned voter turnout was below 40%
@cherryslat5702
@cherryslat5702 10 ай бұрын
Voter turnout is often low for local elections. This isn't especially remarkable.
@DatDirtyDog
@DatDirtyDog 10 ай бұрын
I feel voter turnout for generals is usually shockingly low too
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 10 ай бұрын
It was 44-46% for the other 3 recent by elections for comparison.
@jurassictyrantkingYT
@jurassictyrantkingYT 10 ай бұрын
Seen this too many times somebody says I'll fix it and they end up disappointing let's just see if labor can actually deliver. God bless Scotland and my Scottish Kin. Independent Scotland for all.
@joshuahollowell9170
@joshuahollowell9170 10 ай бұрын
I don't wanna be that guy, but it's pretty simple right? "My team didn't win this election, this bad for me". Like what did we expect, the conservatives jumping for joy over a by election defeat???
@damiencrossley7497
@damiencrossley7497 10 ай бұрын
Look Im gonna say it as an outsider from Canada: Unless you raze parliament and start anew this is your future, endless bickering and no work done! All while the citizens lose patience and WILL retaliate!
@Bolsonaro_em_Haia
@Bolsonaro_em_Haia 10 ай бұрын
This is the second time in as many days that I hear that losing candidates of that election "lost their deposits". I don't know what that refers to, but I am guessing that British candidates pay some sort of election participation deposit (in money) and, if victorious, are returned that money. Would that be correct?
@cranstou
@cranstou 10 ай бұрын
if they get under a percentage of the vote they lose their deposite, otherwise they get it back win or lose
@samstudios9908
@samstudios9908 10 ай бұрын
You’ve got it exactly right. Anyone who wants to stand as a candidate in a UK General Election must give the election authority a £500 deposit to have their name on the ballot. If the candidate gets more than 5% of votes they get that deposit returned to them. Basically it’s a way to prevent people running as joke candidates.
@THKSkywalker
@THKSkywalker 10 ай бұрын
Precisely that - you have to pay £500 to stand as a candidate, and if you get over 5% of the vote you get it back. It's meant to discourage "frivolous" candidates, so for a major party to lose their deposit is quite the symbolic embarrassment.
@SaintGerbilUK
@SaintGerbilUK 10 ай бұрын
​@@THKSkywalkeryes and no, it's been a Labour/SNP seat since it existed and before when it was a different constituency it was also Labour. So it's not really that much of a surprise.
@TomSmith-jp1es
@TomSmith-jp1es 10 ай бұрын
​​@@SaintGerbilUKIt's a surprise that one of the main parties doesn't get 5% in any constituency it runs in. For example, it was a huge embarrassment for Corbyn's leadership when Labour lost their deposit in the Zac Goldsmith by-election in Richmond Park.
@julianshepherd2038
@julianshepherd2038 10 ай бұрын
28 Months of investigation into Nicola and the SNP 00 Charges brought Black Ops ?
@kms6465
@kms6465 10 ай бұрын
Drawing conclusions from bye elections is unwise. Sloppy commentators say if this is replicated in a general election Labour will win every seat in Scotland. They won't, they will make gains. Likely outcome is SNP will still be largest party.
@malthusXIII-fo3ep
@malthusXIII-fo3ep 10 ай бұрын
Nothing's changed,...Labour still regarded as Red Tories in a socialist country.
@leonardgibney2997
@leonardgibney2997 10 ай бұрын
That's how wonderful democracy is. Electorates vote against parties, not for them.
@DeeFourCee
@DeeFourCee 10 ай бұрын
I think it’s obvious here, if you look how much the tories have dropped, they tactically voted for labour to get snp out. Because less SNP seats means tories and red tories can work together to outvote snp. Otherwise i think the vote would have been closer
@EpicTutorialTips
@EpicTutorialTips 10 ай бұрын
No TLDR News, you're misunderstanding something incredibly important. Up in Scotland, the Conservatives and Labour bat for the same team - there is tactical voting going on up here because people want to oust the SNP (this goes back to the unionist and separatist factions). I've seen so many people from England comment on this byelection and totally misunderstanding the point that both Labour and Tories (as far as Scotland is concerned) largely hold the same policies. It's not like Labour and Conservatives down in England and elsewhere. Is it a disaster for the SNP? Yes, yes it is. The SNP has ostracised much of its own voter base in recent years, so they will suffer from voter apathy in the coming election, which is why there is an appeal for a tactical vote amongst unionist parties to oust the SNP from Scottish politics (granted this was a byelection for a Westminster slot, but the same will happen in Holyrood elections, too). Scotland in recent years has been taken over by some very, very, very radical Greens, who really have put forward nothing to do with traditional green policies but rather have hammered in on liberties and freedoms of those of us in Scotland, as well as forced in many laws which were never on any party manifesto. The Conservatives have a handful of seats they will still win in Scotland, places around the Aberdeen area and such, because Conservative policy brings a lot of wealth to that region. But as for the Central Belt (Glasgow, Edinburgh, etc) then there will be a tactical vote to push all of that back to a unionist party because the majority of people in Scotland want to stop the crusade for independence (which thus far hasn't been possible because votes are split between several parties, as opposed to the SNP consolidating the entire pro-independence vote share).
@lewisbaitup6352
@lewisbaitup6352 10 ай бұрын
The greens supposed radicalism is alot better than the cons and labours continued neoliberal austerity, surely the latter is the actually thing to worry about since its just a system that makes the lives of many worse and worse instead of the greens that are just providing somewhat of an alternative.
@bongoblitz6749
@bongoblitz6749 10 ай бұрын
What freedoms have we lost? driving old cars around Glasgow centre? The greens have been sound, caps on rent increases, cheaper public transport just good shit, hardly radical as well
@ognjensijak989
@ognjensijak989 10 ай бұрын
Greens will be called radical for the most lukewarm things ever
@lewisbaitup6352
@lewisbaitup6352 10 ай бұрын
@@bongoblitz6749 we must tremble in fear to scream out COMMIES! And demand their removal whenever parties do policies that are actually good because god forbid improvements.
@PorthLlwyd
@PorthLlwyd 10 ай бұрын
Which laws were not in the manifestos?
@geoffwright9570
@geoffwright9570 10 ай бұрын
The snp coming to an end, labour taking its place. What could go wrong? Would it mean out of the frying pan into the fire? Think Drakeford and Wales and 20 mph everywhere.
@JonoPS
@JonoPS 10 ай бұрын
Last time Labour were in power, they didn't build a single home in Scotland. Let that sink in.
@Pikaling3408
@Pikaling3408 10 ай бұрын
What happened on Thursday night does give me hope that the Tartan Tories are on the way out.
@jacobite1017
@jacobite1017 10 ай бұрын
Now you might get red Tories. Starmer is a fan of Tory policies.
@benjamintomassennordahl7911
@benjamintomassennordahl7911 10 ай бұрын
Wait I just learned that a political party in the UK has to place down a deposit to run for a seat? That seems like the most messed up system there possibly could be.
@avaevathornton9851
@avaevathornton9851 10 ай бұрын
It was only 500 pounds last time I checked.
@benjamintomassennordahl7911
@benjamintomassennordahl7911 10 ай бұрын
@@avaevathornton9851 Still, £500 pounds is a significant amount especially for a smaller party or organisation which could be the difference between committing to run in a constituancy and not, silencing the various smaller political parties. The whole UK parlimentary system needs to change away from the one constituency one representative towards something similar to what can be seen in most mainland European countries ensuring a better representation of disenting voices.
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 10 ай бұрын
@@benjamintomassennordahl7911 Europe often uses list system. That encourages corruption and lack of accountability. The Welsh parliament is switching to that. That will be a crapshow. They can stick hyper corrupt MPs at the top of the list which makes it hard to remove them. They deliberately won't open the list up so voters can choose. They floated allowing voters to boost certain characters up the list so they are chosen first but decided against even that. Multi member districts with ranked voting is the way to go. It is used in scottish local, n irish assembly and local elections. Welsh councils can adopt it too. That allows a local rep, allows you choice between even he same party and if your first choice is defeated your second and third preferences come into play. That way you don't waste your vote. It also encourages MPs to care more about local issues since we can topple them more easily.
@mosaloquendo
@mosaloquendo 10 ай бұрын
​@@theuglykwan district voting can be prone to clientelism
@benjamintomassennordahl7911
@benjamintomassennordahl7911 10 ай бұрын
@@theuglykwan I am mistaken I ignorantly belived that multi member districts was the way most European countries did it, based on previous news coverage of elections and the fact that the country I live in currently has that system. Although I have to disepoint you on one point about multiparty districts and that is the fact that none of the elected representatives give a shit about local issues... nevertheless it is better than the UK system.
@big_slurp4603
@big_slurp4603 10 ай бұрын
It will be a sight to see to see a return of a red Scotland. If it is paired with a red England I feel like there could be some serious change in the UK after this long entrenched conservative government.
@marcuswalters8093
@marcuswalters8093 10 ай бұрын
Why am I not more happy about this?
@owenlindkvist5355
@owenlindkvist5355 10 ай бұрын
SNP just keeps taking blows. One of the biggest having a racist as their new leader.
@internetual7350
@internetual7350 10 ай бұрын
Humza isn't a racist bud 😂
@bloodwargaming3662
@bloodwargaming3662 10 ай бұрын
​@@internetual7350really? Listen to his rants on whites in high positions
@lewisbaitup6352
@lewisbaitup6352 10 ай бұрын
Actually no that's the point he's highlighting the privilages that white people get since our society is structurely racist, pointing out racism isnt racism
@bloodwargaming3662
@bloodwargaming3662 10 ай бұрын
@@lewisbaitup6352 bruh you believe that bs
@lewisbaitup6352
@lewisbaitup6352 10 ай бұрын
@@bloodwargaming3662 yes i do believe this fact, i bet you believe in alot of very Interesting ideas yourself.
@johnjohnstone3565
@johnjohnstone3565 10 ай бұрын
For more context, at no time in the entire history of the Union has the a single vote in Scotland effected the out come of General Election.
@DaDARKPass
@DaDARKPass 10 ай бұрын
For more context, Scottish nationalists are furries who refuse to understand that Scotland is just another part of the UK.
@hamishgibson5192
@hamishgibson5192 10 ай бұрын
Anyone who thinks this simply doesn’t know, or understand, what they’re taking about… Scottish Labour MPs were essential for Tony Blair’s re-election in 2005. Without it, he wouldn’t have had a majority.
@RealUlrichLeland
@RealUlrichLeland 10 ай бұрын
This is completely untrue. A large part of why labour had floundered and the Tories have been unchallenged is because of the SNP succeeding in taking seats formerly held by labour
@MonEyRuLess
@MonEyRuLess 10 ай бұрын
VERY incorrect! Scotland was incredibly important for Labour to achieve a majority.
@the500mphtortoise
@the500mphtortoise 10 ай бұрын
Just 10 years ago wouldn't Cameron have had a majority in 2010 if it wasn't for Scotland. Not only that but as the video points out Scotish snp voters were very helpful indirectly encouraging tory support from 2015 onwards.
@somthingbrutal
@somthingbrutal 10 ай бұрын
wouldn't hold my breath on that
@Joanna-il2ur
@Joanna-il2ur 10 ай бұрын
Labour now has 2 seats. The limp damps have three, the tories six and SNP 43. They tories still have THREE times as many seats and SNP TWENTY TWO times as many. The seat has been abolished and vanishes at the GE.
@tonyfraser1749
@tonyfraser1749 10 ай бұрын
Apparently there was only a 37% turn out at the Rutherglen byelection, which says a hell of a lot more about the failure called the SNP rather than the Liebour party!! Liebour also won that Yorkshire byelection on a low turnout, which means a hell of a lot of voters stayed at home, which at a general election may well change!!!
@FSMDog
@FSMDog 10 ай бұрын
Not the 'win' that some portray it as - a very low turnout for a poll that matters little There will be a GE soon, and one seat will diminish the majority a tiny iota
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
Clearly a straw man argument. By election turnout is always low yet they are very indicative of the political environment.
@HootMaRoot
@HootMaRoot 10 ай бұрын
Wasn't the low turnout due somewhat to a requirement of ID being needed to vote and many folk being turned away
@FSMDog
@FSMDog 10 ай бұрын
@@arpandas2243How are they 'indicative'? It was less than 40% So you're saying that all parties stayed at home equally? That is as believable as a Tory minister
@arpandas2243
@arpandas2243 10 ай бұрын
@@FSMDog By elections always have low turnout and they are very indicative of political environment. People were shocked when Tories lost Chesham and Amersham. But it showed the beginning of Tory troubles.
@charlesreid1311
@charlesreid1311 10 ай бұрын
Give Sir Keir Stamner a chance, he will fuck it up.
@fayiz5741
@fayiz5741 10 ай бұрын
This is the fastest I have ever been to a video period
@dodgechance4564
@dodgechance4564 10 ай бұрын
The UK has gone from growth to stagnation; and is now in terminal decline. The brand colour of the ruling party doesn't matter anymore.
@gg-ps1vz
@gg-ps1vz 10 ай бұрын
glass half empty kinda guy
@brunoyvres4939
@brunoyvres4939 10 ай бұрын
It was 40% less, of vote. Scotland could care less about England. Beat it pal.
@trismica
@trismica 10 ай бұрын
hopefully not
@Iris_Studios
@Iris_Studios 10 ай бұрын
So what you’re saying is Ferriers Covid test is likely to be the only positive for the SNP in the near future?
@Fordnan
@Fordnan 10 ай бұрын
Like it. Have a thumb.
@lindsaybelderson7735
@lindsaybelderson7735 10 ай бұрын
This train crash of a government needs to be put in the bin of history asap
@williambruan7319
@williambruan7319 10 ай бұрын
As an American, i wonder if Brits are seeing Labour as the best party to carry the torch of Brexit regret (Bregret, Brexgret?)
@martynius
@martynius 10 ай бұрын
Labour making gains in Scotland, but have committed suicide in Wales, have lost many Muslim voters and lost support with Khan and ULEZ in London. My money still on the Conservatives winning, with a reduced majority.
@matthewdelong2902
@matthewdelong2902 10 ай бұрын
What does it mean for a party to lose their deposit?
@liviiskate
@liviiskate 10 ай бұрын
60% of a 30% turnout. Not placing any bets on who wins at the general election.
@z0n0ph0ne
@z0n0ph0ne 10 ай бұрын
No!!!
@demonshelby1311
@demonshelby1311 10 ай бұрын
That's not Labour in the thumbnail.
@man-wj4ik
@man-wj4ik 10 ай бұрын
Poor Ben, powering through that cold for us. Cheers to him!
@TyresaerysTargaryen
@TyresaerysTargaryen 10 ай бұрын
Anything to get the SNP out
@alex_zetsu
@alex_zetsu 10 ай бұрын
So the choice isn't to let Rishi Sunak have a second run at the economy (and pray that he does well instead of merely outperforming a lettuce) and letting SNP into a coalition anymore? For all the people who follow TLDR seem to hate the Conservatives (looking at the upvoted comments and the fact that they are more skewed away from the Tories even more than their terrible number polling suggests indicate TLDR viewers like them even less than the British as a whole) I often remind them the Conservatives are the only thing keeping SNP out of government, but I guess it's not true anymore.
@lorddrayvon1426
@lorddrayvon1426 10 ай бұрын
It's like picking between drowning and being thrown to burn to death on lava. Would you rather die slowly and agonisingly drawn out or die quickly in unimaginable pain?
@mikefish8226
@mikefish8226 10 ай бұрын
The poor result of the Tories in this by-election means literally nothing for the next election. Obviously the tories are going to have their arse kicked next election but the failure of Tory voters to come out rainy when their votes meant nothing is hardly surprising.
@michaelweeks5858
@michaelweeks5858 10 ай бұрын
Hold your nose and vote Labour folks!
@riz8437
@riz8437 10 ай бұрын
You need to remember that the turnout was very low. The result at the general election will be quite different. Its clear that a lot of snp voters didn't bother in protest to the behaviour of Margaret Ferrier.
@DerekYoung1
@DerekYoung1 10 ай бұрын
Its almost like TLDR have something against the SNP?
@iamtired4974
@iamtired4974 10 ай бұрын
they have had bias since they started covering politics, its just been more on the nose nowadays since its the mainstream opinion and they dont have to hide it.
@h-Qalziel
@h-Qalziel 10 ай бұрын
I can assure you that this result doesn't mean much. The SNP will almost certainly still be the largest party in Scotland at the next general election. This is a seat that continually votes labour, if something bad happens in the SNP they vote for Labour. This result is a reaction against that. The only interesting factor here is the number of people that voted Labour compared to the SNP. A factor in this is the boycott by SNP voters, but it does also shows that Labour is slightly more popular than expected. It cannot, however, be used as a way to determine how other constituencies will vote.
@Bradald
@Bradald 10 ай бұрын
A loss in a seat Conservatives were never going to win is a disaster for Conservatives?
@alexblue6991
@alexblue6991 10 ай бұрын
Scotland has a migrant first minster who the people never voted for
@ChaseWright516
@ChaseWright516 10 ай бұрын
Let's ensure that Republican SNP first minister is kicked out of Holyrood.
@way2tehdawn
@way2tehdawn 10 ай бұрын
Labour winning in Scotland would probably be a mild improvement.
@Phlegmwahn
@Phlegmwahn 10 ай бұрын
I cannot believe the people of Scotland will return to the Labour party where years of mitigating against the worse of Westminster's policies will just be given up. We may well lose the Scottish Child Payment for our poorest families, the reintroduction of the Bedroom Tax. We might lose free prescriptions and free tuition for our students; the moratoriam on Fracking could be lifted. Make no mistake Anas Sarwar takes his instructions from Westminster, there is no "Scottish" Labour!
@turnerdali4676
@turnerdali4676 10 ай бұрын
Brought.
@grant6849
@grant6849 10 ай бұрын
No, labour will not take Scotland
@jackdubz4247
@jackdubz4247 10 ай бұрын
Are we Scots to have any say in this protracted battle of chess the unionists in England are playing?
@legionofmetal9968
@legionofmetal9968 10 ай бұрын
You do... It comes around once in a while on the form of a piece of paper with "tick the box for your choice" Be it SNP, labour or conservative. It would seem that labour have won a small victory however... who ever you do vote for.
@corz299
@corz299 10 ай бұрын
The snp will never win again as long as we funkytown all of them.
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