I think there is a good chance that this will be the last time we ever heard of this kid. In fact, if he re-offends, I think we will have the prison to blame more than his being an incorrigible criminal. People's personalities are not fully formed at 14.

Dissociative Identity Disorder is another example of pseudoscience; psychology is rife with pseudoscientific notions!😮

@@barneyronnie The problem with psychology is it is entirely converged with left wing activists. They mistake their political motivations for clinical disorders. A majority of them oppose long prison sentences. Everyone just needs a hug.

Agreed with you and Doc 100%

IMO .. This proves the whole system of Psychiatry is a sham. How long before claiming "I was depressed" gets one off with murder charge? .. Not long I suspect.

And this guys just roaming loose within society 🤦🏽‍♀️ this won’t be the last time we hear of his name (hope I’m wrong tho)

@@Nesia187Agreed I hope his stint in prison scared him enough to avoid getting into anymore trouble

Agree. Definitely disturbed, but not via DID.

the photo dates back to at least 2005 and was called prettyface or whitepowder

Yeah they should have to deal with him.

Why do you say no one cared. Remember we only see what the creators present to us. This video specifically focuses on the murderer. Having said that, I find it disrespectful when channels don't acknowledge the suffering of victims and their loved ones

​@@vi9763The justice system didn't punish the murderer in a fair manner, I guess that's what they meant with 'no one cared'.

@FloKarlos-dj7nb Yes, you're right. That's probably what was meant

In modern society the victims are irrelevant and no one care for them, Argentina was one of the leading countries to put "criminals first victims never", look how they ended 😂😂😂

@@vi9763go away then

I am hoping his DNA profile is still available in the system.

She didn’t survive.

@@gingersmith2888 She died from being shot in the head, not from being stabbed at least 62 times.

I agree with you that the state of mental health assessment in the courts and in the world wields too much power, and it is given too much respect. In my opinion, it's not better or more reliable than palm reading or astrology in my opinion. It's way too far away from being a testable, repeatable science. In this case, however, it was trial lawyers that got him off with a believed complaint about how his case was tried as an adult, rather than a child that could be treated for DID. This is outlined at 07:20 in the video. These lawyers were not concerned with what is right or what is wrong; they are concerned with winning and building a strong reputation for success in trials. Lawyers got his case moved to juvenile, he pleaded guilty to aggravated murder, and he had to be released at age 21. I think that if court appointed credible clinicians vastly disagree in their assessments, that all of their testimonial assessments and judgments should be tossed as irrelevant to the case at hand, and the court should automatically rule the individual is fully mentally able to stand trial. It seems like it is the only method that makes sense, since the mental health profession is so far from being a reliable science.

@@troy3456789 Your post is music to my ears. Yet, let's put this situation in its situational context. Public health's core functions are a) needs assessment, b) policy development, and c) evaluation. For needs assessment, the only way to get from exploratory to explanatory research, which yield qualitatively coarse-grained data is to use the observational and survey methods of data collection using questionnaires and other validated assessment instruments. Since higher forms of scientific knowledge are built upon previous scientific knowledge, different types of research, such as a) case reports, opinion papers, and letters; b) animal trials and in vitro studies; c) cross sectional studies; d) case-control studies; e) cohort studies; f) randomized control trials; and g) meta-analyses and systematic reviews lend themselves to future studies going from weakest to strongest in a triangular pyramid, sand dune, or mountain of data derived from population-based studies found under the normal curve. Public and organizational policies are developed and aligned to provide financial support for such studies along the local, state, and federal levels. For example, federal government grants-in-aid programs are a) block grants, categorical grants, and general revenue sharing that provide funding for public health infrastructure. In evaluation of physical and mental health intervention programs, you need evidence that is found in the results of fine-grained data. In healthcare, clinical decision-support systems are accuracy and precision. For the purpose of definitively determining whether or not a defendant in the criminal justice system is a murderous psychopath, jury members need to hear from experts in the analyses of fine-grained data, such as DNA. Another form of evidence that is much more accurate in detecting lying psychopaths than a fallible polygraph test is a functional MRI. Using neurobiological fMRIs scans to assess empathetic pathways that are either being used or not being used as per the Golden Rule by guilty and/or guiltless criminal defendants is hard evidence that they know right from wrong; have a mental illness, such as PTSD; can be properly tried in mentally age-appropriate courts; and can be rehabilitated, if found guilty through an accumulation of other evidence. This process would be a quantitatively, experimentally, empirically testable and repeatable form of hard scientific facts in quantitative research that through meta-analyses would prove itself over and over again.

Yep! Unfortunately, he will probably use this again.

Truth.

Indeed!

It terrifies me because he was brutal to Heidi. Justice was not served😡

When he reoffends the people that let him go should be charged with his crimes

I can hear my thoughts as different voices, sometimes with distinctive personalities. I was so afraid as a teen that it could be schizophrenia or DID but appearently it is a normal thing in autistics, as long as they KNOW, that it's just their different thoughts, sorted by the brain into the "on the one hand" "on the other hand" groups so to speak, or ego Id and superEgo or whatever you want to call the conflicting parts of your brain. I can watch me thinking and having emotions and there are parts within me that are very aggressiv, tempered by parts that are very kind. I pondered if DID happens, when you Lose the ability to "watch yourself think". You calling it fractions kind of feels like I could be right.

I absolutely hate that the media pushes it as real so people keep bringing it up as a possible diagnosis when no, it's a fake bs diagnosis.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

It’s so sad that things are this way for people who actually have DID. Now people who actually have it can’t say they have it.

@@Anne-ot8gq because they don't. You can't have something that doesn't exist!

​@@VoorTrekker88 it's called mental illness like people thinking they're god

Great point. Also, insanity defense always puzzled me. Anyone capable of murder barring self defense, must be crazy, right?

Not to mention Donovan might be the alternate personality and Jeff is the main or real personality using Donovan as a cover. Like in the movie "Primal Fear".

@@twocents7495 Insane means you can't tell right from wrong and you can't distinguish reality from unreality. Some are faking it, of course, but others truly are insane. I feel that this particular guy is faking it.

i think the idea is if you had medications or treatment, you wouldn't be a murderer???? not sure though@@twocents7495

@@olilumgbalu5653 thanks. I actually went through graduate school for psych, so understand the legal definition of NGRI. I’m speaking gut level, philosophically.

It's okay, Jeff has just left the building.

It's bad parenting and the glorifcation of victimhood.

Amen to this. The internet is so dangerous for preteens!! I had some guy exploit me for pics as a minor and use them against me when I was a minor. Keep teens off the internet or regulate it for sure..

It's interesting how Donovan could be so certain that Geoff wouldn't "hurt anybody else". Why would Donovan be so certain of how Geoff was going to behave in _this_ instance specifically? Obviously, it's because Donovan really didn't want to be shot or pepper sprayed. If Geoff was a real alternate personality, Donovan would have said something like "Be careful; I don't know what Geoff will do when you arrest me". Instead his fears betrayed the fact Geoff is an invention.

​@@aarondavis8943Excellent comment 👍

Obviously this kid is either alot smarter than jussie smollett or most likely mentally challenged people decided to let him be free, since it seems in USA anythings possible, like you can find a law license in the trash can or just be elected official by making up a story because in usa it seems people are either really smart or really stupid and the majority is outright stupid

lol

Wasn’t Jeff the killer from the case with slender man too

It seems she was abusing the kid and got rekt for it.

@@yahnservices1978 Abusing?

This! 100% this! I mean, I was diagnosed with DID in the 90s, so I guess I don't really know how I feel about "not likely real." At the same time, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that it's just some kind of manifestation of PTSD with other mental health disorders creating a similar effect. But from my own experience, it's not fun. It's having conversations I don't remember having, which has sometimes ruined personal relationships. It's made it incredibly difficult to hold a job without serious work and intervention through the help of counseling and specialists. I don't think being unable to have a job or a family is accurate, but the key thing allowing that to happen is years and years of treatment to deal with the triggers, traumas, and all of that. I mean, to say you couldn't have a job or a family, well, that would go for schizophrenia, or severe PTSD from severe abuse and trauma, but that's not the case. Treatment is key. Aside from the fact that I don't agree it ruins your ability to have a life of your own, because, again, that's what trauma specialists and treatment are for, regardless of diagnosis, I absolutely hate how people online make it look like happy fun times. It's not cute. It's not fun. It's not catching switches on video. There are so many people who use it as a means to issue threats, say hurtful things, and in general be cruel, and write it off as "Oh, that was just my system persecutor." Um... what? Claiming their crimes were their alter... claiming that they need to be treated as children and get angry when people don't respect it... Again, diagnosis aside, because maybe it's actually PTSD, but when something triggers me, being a scared child is not fun for me or anyone around me. It's not cute and silly. It's incredibly frustrating for everyone involved. It's not silly or cute. It's horrible, and I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy, because I would gladly give this up if I had the ability to do so. Whether you call this DID or write it off as severe PTSD triggers, flashbacks, the whole nine, doesn't matter to me. I don't care what the diagnosis actually is. At the end of the day, I'd much rather not have to deal with any of it, and I don't understand why anyone would choose to brag about having this diagnosis or make it sound fun.

I do think it's real, and it is rare. Both are accurate statements. It's just controversial because psychiatrists don't do their due diligence and has muddied the water.

@@KayosHybrid The problem is that, historically speaking, various psychological schools of thought were centered on different and competing cults of personality that drew the interest of students who were subsequently mentored into particular mindsets. When some of those former students' views did not fully align with or partially/completely diverged from the original focus new schools of thought were born.

Thank you! 👏👏👏 I'm so tired of seeing blue and purple haired children faking switches on tiktok. Please just write a bad fanfic like we did in the early 2000s. Lmao.

My mom hates that KZfaq shit like thanks to a therapist she can now identify when a change is about to happen she don't know nothing else besides sit down cuz your about to not be in control and later on she developed names for them again with the help of a therapist before all this she would forget things she'd say things she'd normally not say that damaged our relationship like it was genuinely bad but now that she's fully aware of it and got the help she needed it became manageable

I'm convinced "The system" wants people like this out there.

​@Z_RLBXY only when they are a certain shade and tax bracket. There's an autistic black kid with clear issues and deficiencies and a well off adopted white mom....he snapped in school and beat up a white female teacher...not good but she is ultimately fine...they are trying to give him 35 years and his mom is pleading for help....but this kid makes up a clear story and fakes a personality and is kid gloved the whole way through

@@EyeDyeGrysI hate to say it but they do really seem to. Defense attorneys in particular relish these kinds of criminals 💰

@@EyeDyeGrys It is an immoral self-perpetuating money-making machine for everyone involved, except for the victims and their families.

@@gossamer9966 especially if they have a complexion.

Just started watching but damn…. That’s so sad.

Astonished that he was going to get parole in 2028 but then jaw dropped from the appeal hearing. This guy definitely calculated and planned this with full knowledge of the justice system and basically these days you see more and more young kids (11-17) engaging in violent crimes because they know the age limitations is on their side.

Right? Damn… or justice system sometimes. Infuriating.

Typical day for women everywhere.

Dont say that, her name still means something to the people that loved her. The law isnt right, but what does that take away from her memory. Good isnt gone unless you let go

Yeah

And if that doesn’t work I watch hoarders and marvel at my comparatively clean abode.

​@@kimchi9560Lol. Same. I have a lot of clutter, usually shoved into "doom boxes" I'll go through at some future stage. When I see a true hoarding situation I am relieved to see I'm not that bad at least.

It is funny to me how you can find plenty of examples of people suffering from severe mental illness, like schizophrenia, who are clearly just trying to go about their business and be left alone, but there doesn’t seem to be a single person out there who “just happens” to have DID. Any time someone claims to have DID, they’re seeking attention or clout, or using it as an excuse to escape criticism or consequences. The supposed alters are always some outlandish BS, usually cribbed from some form of media or celebrity, and the personalities of those supposed alters are almost always one-note and typically unpleasant in one way or another… and conveniently, the twits who claim to “suffer” from DID tend to have legions of nitwits able to rally the troops and circle the wagons ‘round the call of “ableism” and “privilege” any time someone tries to call them on their BS. The most amusing part to me is that the twits who claim to suffer from “multiple personalities” frequently don’t even possess one, let alone several.

Mostly because the way he describes it is 100% how it’s portrayed in media

He's pretty incredible isn't he.

I don’t know if I’d use the term injustice here. I mean he did serve some time. Unlike OJ or Emmitt Till’s killers

Interesting

Yeah great idea! I can think of a couple that I think legally qualified but I’m sure that would be controversial to some.

This does not address your question directly ... but Dr. Grande mentioned, in one video, a man in Canada who "got away with murder" because it was proven that the murder occurred while the man was sleep-walking ...

​@@josepha.spadaro7881That's a fascinating case.

Susan Yates may be one. Postpartum psychosis.

Or stay in a forensic psychiatric facility till he is deemed “well” enough to go to prison.If not there he should remain,transferring from the juvenile facility.

This is definitely a failure of the current judicial system. Surely this case lead to changes in the system to close this loophole from being abused again??

@@batubop651 Nope. Unless the person is initially tried as an adult, I suppose that is one method of closing it.

I find another problem being that a lot of diagnosis seems to be done through questionnaires as well. Those can easily be gamed or falsified by a patient or prisoner.

Often the questionnaires,don’t “fit” the person,ie they need to look more deeply at an individual not generic data.

That's why they're called TheRapists

This is a lack of understanding of statistics. Questionnaires are standardized throughout statistics. Just like a treatment for a virus is made or at least simulated on computers. Just because it's a questionnaire does not mean it is not sensible nor specific. But, I can see that not being a concrete explanation through a "bood or brain analysis" could be difficult to grasp. Like if you see it you believe it. But analyzing a person that hallucinates is difficult plus the legal system on top of the clinician demanding an explanation must be very tough. A brain scan could be of use but then again you probably don't believe in hard science either... The point is the kid murdered his mother and knew what he was doing. Influenced by the media and probably delusional about his grandiosity may be an explanation. But that will not erase what he did and the punishment should be jail either way and not a mental health institution (these are horrific also).

Many of them also have their professional lives hitched to some of these disorders actually existing, so they want to see them in everyone.

Back in the 1980s, I got caught stealing cookies...my defence that I was inhabited by a cookie monster alter ego; it failed.

Curious about the different cacti. What is the significance?

That was perhaps the most sickening thing I've seen.

Lol..evil spawn!!!! EXACTLY

there's no such thing as fairness

@jonathankessler7436 , unfortunately, this is true.

More like chaired.

I'm for capital punishment.

"The Slenderman Stabbing" is the case that you're thinking of. Neither the Slenderman nor Jeff the Killer are animé characters, but rather they are known as "creepypasta" characters; the two are derived from the scary horror/ghost stories on the internet.

OMG someone else remembers that one! This was like Deja Vu

@@Zeppelee Thank you for the information. I'm not hip to any of this new age animation. I just know that a lot of it is dark

@@RB01.10 Difficult to forget. I have nieces so that story stuck with me

Or...kids that would act on these dark thoughts regardless are just using these things as justification.

Please, do! It's such an obviously fake "disorder".

I read one very interesting theory once (sorry I do not have the source). When growing up, as children, before our adult personality is decided, children toy with different types of personalities. This is normal. We all do it. We may swing from one personality to another. Our likes, interests, self-image, persona etc can change. It can vary. Eventually, an individual decides on one personality. This is likely the one we'll carry through our entire life. For those with DID (multiple personalities), they've simply not settled on one. They're still in the phase of deciding. Something didn't click. Hence, they continue to flit between personalities. No one personality has been solidified. This means alters emerge. They're not different people, no, they're just different personality choices that haven't been chosen. It's like being offered lots of sweets but not being able to stick on one. Again, sorry, I don't know the source but my goodness, it's intriguing. Of course, a lot of DID is explained by trauma. This is yet another explanation.

I grew up with a step mom who had MPD. It is real.

@@user-od3be8ny4o Fascinating indeed, the only issue is science around personality states we don't get to choose our personality at any point, personality remains pretty rigid and is not something we control as children or as adults. This is because personality is not only formed through environment but through ones genetic predispositions as well.

⁠@@user-od3be8ny4o Is toying with various personalities something some people do as kids? I don’t remember ever doing this myself, nor did I ever decide on a personality to be as an adult. I’ve always just been me.

That’s what I just questioned? Surely this case must have triggered immediate changes to the system to ensure this loophole doesn’t get abused again? I feel so many points were raised but not answered in this video, I hope Dr Grande reads the comments and does a follow up video.

@@batubop651 Nope, mental health "experts" will continue to be allowed to testify.

That's a rare deflection! 😅

The crime happened in 2017

@@sanna9062sadly the DID trend predates 2017. A bunch of KZfaqrs claiming to have DID became incredibly popular and gained a cult like following, it gained the attention of international media. It’s continued on steroids since then over to instagram and tik tok etc, proving quite economically lucrative for some fake ‘illness influencers’ too. Along with other actual genuine conditions, both psychiatric and physical. Buzzwords like ‘Illness Fakers’, ‘Munchausen By Internet’ then became a thing, leading to online vigilante groups that became viscous. This in turn lead to other awful consequences for many who genuinely do have the latest online illness trend becoming victims of these online vigilante mobs falsely accusing them of being fakers even to the extent of death threats, which has lead to su*ide attempts. Another very serious consequence has been within the medical field, medical specialists having to turn away genuinely sick patients in need of care due to being inundated by the fakers depending on the illness of the month until the hype has moved on to the next illness. Blocking much needed medical access to more newly diagnosed genuine patients for up to a year or more. Much needed online support groups and communities also became infiltrated by fakers, requiring much stricter security protocols to protect the integrity of the communities and having to switch privacy settings. I have a genetic condition similar to MS that became one of the trends a few years ago for a short while, we found KZfaq videos of hypnosis training claiming to give the listener the symptoms of various illnesses, as well as forums teaching others how to trick medical professionals and family and friends etc. It’s an uphill battle getting such videos and forums removed. It’s all so deeply disturbing and devastating for genuine sufferers, while some trying to fake an illness permanently physically harm and endanger themselves to try to mimic symptoms. This online ‘adopt an illness’ trend predates 2017 and doesn’t show any signs of slowing down. Predominately it’s vulnerable teens who are attracted to this sick subculture.

Maybe ‘alternate personalities’ (not as being applied to Donovan here) are dissociative moments, but for some are more prolonged and experienced, and thus felt as a separate part of themselves. Where the mind splits into a part which the doesn’t understand. Or connect with even.? I had treatment for many years, for my out of proportion reactions in the present, to some events. It became apparent through treatment, (psychological, therapeutic and medical), that some genuinely traumatic events, being relived as flashbacks to past incidents, had left their mark in the present. But…. I never had any thoughts of harming others: my reactions were aimed at myself. This is often seen as ‘attention seeking’. I suggest it’s a protective mechanism, difficult for others to understand, because the behaviour are often negative, and don’t belong in the context of the situation. I do think the whole area of assessing and treating people who don’t have organic mental illness is not an exact science. I’m an example of someone who sought help and am largely better. It took a long time however and a variety of approaches. I didn’t ever name or feel the need to name these moments (ie a Jeff’). Interestingly I could not remember all of the details of these dissociative moments’. They were real to me at the time however. I do believe that psychiatry is only able to understand non organic illness to a limited extent, because science demands proof, concrete fact, diagnosis. Personality Disorders, Borderline Personality Disorders are such a nice way of giving definitions to the sometimes inconsistent presentation of individuals ie the rest of us who behave weirdly. I cannot pretend to fully understand the experience of having Alternates. I do however know that once professionals started treating me with understanding rather than scepticism, my life was changed for the better. (This was treatment from our wonderful NHS which is currently struggling to stay afloat). I have outlined my experiences of dissociation as best I can. I then consider Donovan’s claims to having an Alternate. This does not feel believable. It feels more like a spoilt child’s outburst of pure anger. An Evil which took over reasoned thinking. Going by his history, briefly given here, I don’t go for multiple personalities, whether it exists or not. It was a simmering, underlying hatred. Which he was aware of. I don’t think ‘Jeff’ committed the crime.

It’s still not as abhorrent as the OJ case or Emmitt Till’s case. As in both cases the killers got acquitted and never served any time

Yeah, he wrote with dots!

It's the glorification of victimhood. People want the sympathy that comes along with this stuff. To your point about it being harmful to people struggling with things - I'm not sure if ADHD is a mental illness, but as someone that is diagnosed with it and take medication for it, I don't see how other people claiming to have it would be at all harmful to me.

Yes. For example, sometimes a Dx of PTSD is used, when in fact, a person was never in any reasonable danger of being killed or experiencing serious physical harm, or witnessing same. For example, struggling to deal with grief from loss of a loved one. Stressful, yes. PTSD, no.

How do you know he's intelligent you've never met him

@@tyreseforren6721because at 14 he managed to manipulate and beat the judicial system and psych professionals multiple times. He’s a free man after a setting up a planned out bs narrative in order to commit premeditated murder. Somebody above mentioned this Geoff character is actually a well known internet creepy pasta dating back well before the murder.

Mental disorders are infectious encephalitis or other brain damage. Herpesviruses usually. History is important. Look into history of psychology and the asylums. They've known for 100 years what causes mental problems. Herpesviruses mostly but other neurotropic infections also. All that changed when they developed chemicals. Then we all had chemical imbalances they want to treat with their expensive and also toxic and don't work, chemical drugs. Come non guys, the grift is so obvious. HISTORY IS SO IMPORTANT. They knew this 100 years ago and treated with heat therapy in the asylums. Why on earth would they do that do u ask? Because heat simulates a fever, the body's way of killing viruses. They knew everyone had herpes rashes on their necks. Same bumps my mom and I both have. Mental disorders aren't hereditary, viruses are. I got mine in the birth canal I've been researching herpesviruses for over a decade when I did a research project in pathology class. I am also living with small fiber neuropathy from herpes simplex 1. I watched my ex go from Borderline personality disorder to dementia. Newsflash. It's not two different things. It's the same damn thing. It's a brain infection, viral encephalitis causing dementia. The implications of this are huge. It causes a bunch of ethical and legal issues but it's true so...

Did his Mom do drugs when pregnant? Why did she drop out of his life? Sounds like the Dad wasn't really there emotionally for him at all. Hormones going on and his prior activity on the internet should be interesting to know. He should not be free at all, neither should "Jeff."

I don’t think teaching kids responsibility always plays a part. In every case there’s not enough factual proof behind this criminal case I think it’s on to speak upon a topic we for sure can say exactly what happened. It’s not a unique case. It may have been a cover-up, but I in fact, do not believe that it is a fake“” illness, diagnosis just cause we don’t have factual proof doesn’t mean something doesn’t exist. Think about the ocean for instance, before we went to go explore it, we barely knew anything yet we still don’t know a whole bunch of animals that still exist. You can’t speak with your emotions it’s paramount to speak on exclusively facts

Their job is to defend their client. It's up to the judge/jury whether or not to belive them.

It may not have been served to a degree but he still went to prison and got some accountability though I feel him being a minor helped him avoid being in for a long time. If you think this was a travesty, it’s still nowhere near as abhorrent as the OJ case or the Emmitt Till one. As in both cases the guilty walked free and served no prison time