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So you blame literally everyone but the murdering psychopath 911. Perhaps you have heard of it. Or perhaps those are too many numbers to hold in your brain. Instead of sending her husband away and getting her gun add going to the kids room to kill him perhaps you could have called 911 and add the police remove him Nice job ignoring that she had absolutely no marks on her

​@@robertruge2916she sent her husband away got her gun what do her grandsons room andmurdered him She did not call the police and ask him to remove him. She did not ask her husband to stay. She did not do any of the million things that would not involve murdering her grandson.

Or maybe grandmas shouldn’t mag dump their grandchildren

Well said ! It is not a solution at all !!! Take care of your own kids !

amen

i had the same thought exactly.

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Imagine raising a failed parent then having to take their kid 😭

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It does sound like you say but I thot it might have been to protect her husband from any fight that might happen, even the stress of another verbal one and like TG says she might have been afraid Fred would have kicked him out. Im just not sure it was so planned out. A complicated tragedy

@@user-pl3ss5ur1v bought the gun and took.classes in secret, then she double tapped him in the back while he was trying to get away from her. Aftetward, she admitted she did it. Not that complicated.

@@CaptainSnackbeard the 2 shots in the back while your grandson is laying down bleeding out is wild.

@@CaptainSnackbeard- And if she was so fearful (I'm not saying she wasn't), to the point of buying and wielding a gun, she should've taken the reasonable step of sending him back to his parents. If I feel like I have to be armed against a person in my home, that person can't stay in my home.

Yes, she had it all figured out. All except the 911 call. Why did this gruesome hag think death was the right & only option? His family were a mess. Had his parents or grandparents been better people, he'd have matured very differently.

I agree. One shot and screaming for him to get out? Okay, I could see shooting from fear or in defense. Two shots in the back? On top of 4 other shots? That’s murder.

That call is one of the most excruciating I've ever heard and I've heard hundreds.

​@@Rebecca-hc5ju Yes, it was totally heartbreaking!

That's my take, as well. Going to get the gun and coming back before the confrontation is understandable given his history and her age, as is shooting him once or twice in a moment if he did attack her. But he's the one calling 911 and expressing the terror of someone scared they're about to die. He was incapacitated and no threat to her from that moment on.

i think the grandma did us all a favor. spice is its own breed of cancer like crack or heroin. if you smoke spicr you are dumb.

from this description it sounds like she was using it, too

My experiences with spice differ greatly. Grannie overreacted

@@charliehedrick6414 so what was your experience again exactly?

K-2 almost killed me.

Yes! Anger isn’t fear. Thank you

Underneath anger is fear.

​@@marylevin9262Not always

@@marylevin9262 not always

He caused her narcissistic injury, apparently she was a school principal. I watched a interview with her and the victim's family.

@@tinareaume7484 probably no better don’t expect them know what shame is.

I think you wrong on that one. There is a longer video on KZfaq. That says that it was the grandmother idea that her grandson stay at hers.

Mother had brain cancer, Grandmom was the only option anybody had Uncontrollable grown boy attacked her physically then got shot

This why is why you dont piss off your granma, they are old and have nothing to lose.

@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 WRONG🤦🏻‍♂️..the grand daughter had the tumor...not the mother...pay attention.

Dry humour, yeah.

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EXACTLY!!!

She didn't have to. She could've said no, from the beginning. And she could've sent him back to his parents long before she bought a gun and fatally shot him.

Seriously 🤯

She was found to be a controlling bully throughout her life. Numerous times arrangements were made for him to go back because of her domineering ways and SHE those options because in her control freak world losing control would be a mark on her character that she spent so many years playing. She showed her true colours. She’s not a frail and kindly lady. She was a life long bully.

Their kids can't care for their own kids bc their parents were shit,duh

So woud I, seeing as my mom died in 2017, to start with.

@raquellofstedt9713 genuinely made me laugh!😂

What if it's the other way around like the Ukranian girl killing her paternal grandmother 🤔 just saying

I'm not so much concerned about my parents intentionally unaliving my kids. But they both physically abused my siblings and me, 7 years ago my mother suggested that I hit my 3 year old son because he was throwing a tantrum because he hadn't had a nap, my dad SA'd at least one of my sisters, my dad is an unsafe driver, and they both have really messed up opinions about certain groups of people (if you can guess my meaning). My other siblings have let their kids stay with our parents over summer break (including the sister who was SA'ed, and she has a daughter). But my wife and I won't do it. I offered to stay with them, mostly stay out of the way, help out around the house, and my mother or I could drive when they wanted to take them somewhere. But my dad took offense to the suggestion that he's an unsafe driver (like the accidents and countless times drifting off the road weren't suggestion enough), and he said that's not the way they do things (even though my younger sister demanded that our mother drive her kids, and he apparently complied - he's an insecure person who's even more insecure around other males). My mother would rather complain about him than actually take action to improve her own life. So, she won't just say that my boys and I can be guests in what is her house too and she can drive them in her car. That was 2 or 3 years ago, and my sons don't really understand why they can't stay there like their cousins. I just keep telling them that we haven't been able to work it out, and there are other factors like my parents live 12 hours away, my parents are mid 80's and late 70's and have health issues, our other family trips, summer camps, and the boys' short summer break. They're still developing their sense of self and sense of family, so I don't want to tell them the really bad things that my parents have done.

@@Swansong321 glad to be of service! Actually, I never worried as much about my mom- she actually saved my oldest once. My MiL being careless has worried me far more.

Yes this is true. As a school nurse I've seen some grandparents that have guardianship and it totally explains what happened to the parents. Whereas other grandparents their child was just an outlier and they're doing an amazing job. For me personally my grandmother raised three exceptional women, but my mom was not one of them. She chose to party too hard and eventually got addicted to drugs. The best parts of my childhood always involve my grandmother, and she's the one that helped teach me how people really should be.

@jessicaolson490 I'm so glad your grandma was there for you and sorry your mom wasn't. My mom is a schizophrenic drug addict. My grandma did the best she could though. I had one girl who was sent to her grandma while I'm practically yelling at her case worker "you realize grandma is the one who got her mom on dr*gs right?!?" Then another little girl whose grandma was amazing and begging for her but the state said Nah, let's send her to stay with her unstable aunt. It's a crazy system. And yes, I totally agree, sometimes the grandparents did the best they could and the parent was just an outlier for sure.

​@@Sarahopal- I think I responded to you in another thread. My parents abused my 5 siblings and I, and we all suffer from mental health issues today. I don't know of any of us being at risk of having our kids taken away, but I know I've sometimes struggled to parent well. Being better than my parents is a really low bar, and not doing what they did doesn't determine what I should actually do in a particular situation. While I've never been violent, I have slipped into authoritarianism sometimes when other approaches haven't been effective (at least quickly enough for my patience at the time). So, I have some sympathy for people who had poor parenting and are poor parents themselves. Being a good parent can be very difficult when one was raised with poor parenting.

@loki2240 oh 100% ❤️ I hope I didn't sound like I lack empathy for anyone involved. We are all doing the best we can. Sometimes the best we have isn't enough but that's what you have. My mom suffers from schizophrenia, addiction and DID. She was an awful mom, but she did the best she could. I had my daughter when I was barely 16 and I was a good mom for the first couple years. Then I really struggled. You get your coping abilities from your parents. If they don't have any either, then you aren't just born with them. They aren't able to teach them. I take care of 2 little girls sometimes right now. Their momma worked so hard to get them back and I love her, I want her to do well. She's just really struggling because nobody ever showed her that life doesn't have to be a constant struggle. She has zero coping skills. But she's doing the best she can and I applaud that. Every tiny win is still a win. So I do what I can to help and I try and show her coping skills. That's amazing that you were able to break the cycle. It can be insanely difficult to not fall into habits you were shown as a child. Some friends of mine started an organization here that helps struggling parents Before child services gets involved. So they can try to avoid ever getting into the foster system. They offer to take in kids (into vetted, stable families) for a short time so parents can focus on getting sober, getting housing etc.. when there's a fear that their kids may be taken. They are such a compassionate and awesome group. I wish we had way more groups like them. God bless ❤️

@@Sarahopal - No, I wasn't criticizing you at all. Just describing myself.

Yes, it was 100% premeditated murder. If you listen to Jonathan’s mom talk about Sandra, things start to make a little sense. She was an absolute monster.

It was premeditated murder and I am really surprised at Dr Grande’s take on this. He presented the “he threatened her and wanted to steal her money” as facts when it was only the grandmother’s claim. The “let go” is also an obvious attempt after she heard he was calling for help. Even the video thumbnail of the victim is very disturbing. It left a bad taste in my mouth and unless I am missing something, like Grande has more details about this case that isn’t known to the public, I really felt sick watching this video and the way he portrayed the victim. If we are going to look down upon drug addict teenagers and think their murder is fine then we are really doomed.

​@@ar6146she shouldn't have sent him to the slaughter house she knew. Should have been emancipated or institutionalized.

@@saras123 I think it may be an unfortunate side effect of his insane production pace…he churns out content like a machine, but I’ve noticed what appears to be a decline in critical analysis, which would make sense because how could you possibly devote enough time and energy to these complex cases when you’re pushing out new content every day…no bueno

@@ar6146 the thing is, many of the cases I listed to here I hear for the first time from Grande and I always appreciate him humanizing the victims and not only bring up their good sides but even the bad and imperfect ones. And I usually trust his judgement but since I have read and listen to this case a lot, and seen the lack of remorse the old lady had throughout the trial, I feel like, what if Grande has twisted all the cases he covered to fit his narrative? Maybe he isn’t as biased and professional as I thought

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she bought the gun because he was clearly dangerous and feared for her safety (and rightly so). You think her intention was to kill him from the beginning? The kid sounds completely unhinged. I dont blame her for shooting him honestly. She shouldnt have gone after him and shot him more though. People cant act in a completely unhinged manner and then complain when people retaliate. Someone was going to be killed because of this kid.

People who leave those kinds of comments are usually young and have no life experience. The kid was a menace and they were too old to defend themselves. Anyone who's dealt with drug addicts knows how scary it can be.

​@@MyEnemyI've never heard of a successful self-defense case in which the defender followed around the perpetrator for several minutes, and shot them multiple times after they were no longer a threat.

@@MyEnemy First, let me say, I am old. Never had kids so none of these problems arose in my life. Next, let me say; this is typical behavior of too many youngsters now-a-days. Some teenagers want to do what they want to do and not have to suffer the consequences for their bad decisions. They don't respect authority or wisdom that comes with life and experience. He may have had some problems and his mother thought by sending him to his grandmother to raise would be best for him and probably for herself and the rest of her family. Grandma wasn't taking any of that $hit and only saw one way to change things. Not sure how I would have handled this but buying a gun would have been the last thing on my mind. I could have been her, very easily.

@@Jimmy_Watt The key is whether Sandra perceived him as no longer a threat. When the first shot did not drop him, she may have feared that he would continue to attack her. Once you hit or injure or even tase or shoot a drug addict, they may just become more maddened and pursue vengeance. Remember that Sandra was filled with adrenaline at this point, and was indeed a weak old lady pitted against a strong young man. I'm not even sure of her mobility, and whether she could have run out of the house and called for help.

Psych wards ain't much better unfortunately

Yeah, uh, he’s male. Males don’t matter much these days. Putting resources towards them means fewer resources for the ladies.

@@vladname9267 yeah, but they don't shoot at you there, and they are actually trying to help people.

It's virtually impossible in much of the country. Even if you luck out and find an opening, good luck being able to afford it.

Didn't reagan do away with state run psychiatric hospitals when he was the original "make America great again" guy? Maybe he was talking About south america. Maybe he should have specified

Exactly! Premeditated possibly...and she seemed emotionally controlling. Sad none of them sought counseling early on.

Cuz she wanted to kill him and cover it up

Ouch!

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I agree, I also call bs on her story that he demanded 2 grand and the car off her and also attacked her, she made that up. As for the "let go" in the call, if you hear it, it's clear she said it in response to him grabbing a hold of the barrel in order to try and stop her from shooting him again, when she wrestled it off him she did just that. This wasn't fear, as she said she wanted to make him listen to her, she saw him as a brat and was mad she couldn't control this "out of control" teen. The kid had his parents divorcing and his sister dying, not surprised he wanted to get high sometimes, he needed support and counselling.

​@joan-lisa-smith agreed. She had her ducks all in a row and her gun was ready. Had he not made the heart-wrenching cry for help to 911, it likely wouldn't have gone to court. She'd have gotten away clean. That poor dumb kid was experiencing a lot of psychological baggage as he flailed through puberty. Had he lived to adulthood, his brain would have finished developing by 25. The right support, love & counselling could have helped him make better choices. Instead, Gran made yet another horrendous choice for him. His family were awful.

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Completely disagree. She was worried she was going to have to use it but I highly doubt she was planning some kinda of evil serial killer granny.

That's what I thought.

I thought the very same thing. She wasn't in panic when she said that, so clearly she was encouraging the kid to just let go of life.

Speculation... You can't clearly or you know these things because you weren't there and could only hear it.

Good thing you stayed off drugs.

Did she drink whiskey and chew tobacco, too? My great grandmother and great aunt got busted for making moonshine during Prohibition. My great grandmother lived to be 98, and my great aunt lived to be 106. Unfortunately, my grandfather was an alcoholic and a smoker, and he died in his 50's.

@@loki2240 she didn’t drink or use tobacco, but she was pretty crazy. She loved to tell stories of getting in fights 🤣

She shot me

@@Sammsy1126 Are you a sheriff ? She shot the sheriff but she did not kill the deputy.

Who's this Flintstone fellow??

I married a old widow and oddly enough she required I changed my name to Fred beforehand

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@@MichaelHawkins-yd6ge You need to change your user name to FredHawkins for me to believe that, LOL !

And she could've sent him back to his parents long before that.

​@@loki2240or a youth treatment program

Honestly, I think I would have said, at that point, "Here, take the keys to the car and here's some money. Go and see what you can do with your life." Then he would have left, gotten in trouble, and it would have been out of the grandparents' hands. It would have been in the hands of the system.

i don't think the police is any help at all.

Poor parenting, more like. They raised an out-of-control child, semi-orphaned their son by divorce, and then dumped him on grandma to take care of, drugs and all. Real trauma- for grandma.

@@victoriajohnson4420 - You don't know why the son had behavioral issues.

@@victoriajohnson4420 Poor parenting is often due to a pattern of intergenerational dysfunction. Certainly, this grandmother made poor choices, too.

@@nanettevantriesteharder2469 Far from consistently true. If you dig onANY family, you can find material to support this or the opposite theory. Addiction brings with it its own pathology, and relational issues.

​@@nanettevantriesteharder2469 I know someone named nannette in real life. She's a drug addict, tried to murder a kid when she was a teenager, and is now a street musician. She came from a good home. Some people named nannette just turn out to be horrible people

Remember, reality isn't like a video game where you have a nice clear crosshairs, you have to line up the sights over the target so they're largely obscured by the body of the gun and the hands. Also, a gun that hasn't been fired much often has a lot of oil in it that will vaporize into a cloud that obscures at the moment of shooting. It's really common for the attacker to turn at the moment the decision to fire and just not notice this soon enough if you're shooting quickly. Combined with age and panic, this should be an expected limitation of actions, culpability should depend on morality of the accused not a technicality of how their actions are imperfect and imprecise. So by itself, this doesn't prove much.

He wouldn't listen

@@Treblaine I respectfully disagree. Using your own logic: being elderly with slowed reflexes, likely living with some arthritis… it is quite a feat that she was able to hit him/shoot him at all. It HAD to be deliberate (the TWO shots in the back). Murder.

@@JDoe001 Does she have arthritis? You're just concluding she's guilty based on a condition she could have but you don't know if she had. This rough reasoning is why I think she's innocent, people are clearly jumping to conclusions.

@@Treblaine I’ve never met anyone her age that doesn’t have arthritis; moreover, EVERYONE at her age has slower reflexes. It’s a fact of life. Do you personally attack people who debate with you regularly? That’s a sign of something. Insecurity? You can’t be wrong?

“So you get what we had here last week That’s the way he wants it Well he gets it I don’t know I don’t like this anymore than you young men”

This was from a paul newman movie. The warden said that after paul newman's character kept escaping.

Try defending yourself with a sugar cookie.

​@@victoriajohnson4420- There weren't any claims of the grandson being violent, until the day his grandmother ended his life. And the claim was limited to alleged violence that day, and apparently it wasn't made until after the grandmother spoke to her attorney. She bought a gun and confronted him with a gun before he allegedly had his first violent incident.

@@loki2240 Spice is known to cause violent behavior, and even hallucinations. Grandma may have feared violence more than she actually experienced it, and reacted accordingly.

@@victoriajohnson4420why are you all up in these comments trying to defend a murderer 😂 you on a list somewhere?

@@sshii Because I don't consider her to be a murderer, and I have too much free time on my hands today. I will sometimes defend people that I see getting attacked by everybody.

Did you know him?

Respectfully, anyone that thinks a spice user is an “easy case” has never dealt with spice users.

@@SoManyBasses yes I have! Most of the DJJ kids used it.

@@allisonisis no.

Worried about you handling cases when you're making blithe judgements on individuals you've never been acquainted with. Regardless of what grandma did and wanting to give him sympathy, you don't know if this guy would have been an easy case or not.

“Oh sh!t he called the cops I better pretend to be concerned about him.”

Obviously the jury thought that, too. She's in prison for the rest of her life for the decisions she made that day.

Not true. The police can't force somebody out of a home unless they get a restraining order or whatever the equivalent is in MI. Or, the person committed a crime that warrants immediate removal. Either way, you can't just have police come and remove someone you don't like, you have to go through a bureaucratic process, usually.

​@@tron.44- He wasn't her legal dependent or a legal resident of her home. He was a guest. I'm pretty sure she could've trespassed him from her home. And wasn't he 18 or about to turn 18 that year? And he planned to flee his probation violation. And he planned to steal her vehicle and $2K of her money to flee the probation violation. I don't know about MI, but officers in other states have responded to people having a mental health crisis, unarmed, nonviolent, at their own home (including minors) by unaliving them. I don't believe that MI couldn't have arrested him, let alone removed him from the home. And she probably lied about him hitting and kicking her, after speaking to her attorney. So, she could've lied about him having assaulted her before calling the police to arrest him for threateningto steal from her and flee. He was on his way to incarceration anyway. And lying about him assaulting her, to get him out of her house immediately, would've been better than taking his life.

​@@tron.44trespassing.

@@dubaiedge i very much doubt you can trespass a family member.

And your drug-addicted son is cared by your own mother, because...? Poor boy, he just wanted to write poetry, bake cakes for his grandmother, and study to become an engineer.

It’s been awhile since I heard the details in this case but I do remember that grandma damn near insisted he come live with her. She was going to be the savior who “saved” him. I also vaguely remember that the parents wanted him to receive mental health treatment but grandma wasn’t a fan of that.

​@@yayakelley7771yes

@@yayakelley7771Wow. You got to be kidding me. That’s ridiculous.

Parents were in crisis themselves. Dont be too hard on them.

That's what I want to know. How did it start?

She refused to give the grandson back to parents because that would mean she had to admit she couldn’t control his behavior this woman spent her life abusing children her grandson acted out more from her mental abuse rather than withering to a shell like her kids did. This pissed her off she couldn’t tolerate the battle of the wills she wanted the final say ! Everything she did proves premeditation!!! Grow up!

The older you get the better you appreciate socks as a gift.

At least you’re honest about it

Damn Skippy. I'm not licensed. I can speculate all I want 😂

Maybe her lawyer could have made a dementia defense. The shooting seemed premeditated but totally irrational. She could have had him jailed instead and refused to take him in again.

"Let me get the first aid kit and patch up those holes. You'll be fine." LOL !

​@@djg5950that'll buff out, kiddo, take 2 aspirin.

She thought her husband would tell Johnathan that she had a gun? It was more likely that he would've disagreed with having a gun in the house, so she got one without telling him.

Try to answer your own question... As. in, what could drive her to kill her grandson?

Because she's certifiable.

It tells me that she was very afraid of him.

Yeah. the MOTIVE was not to let this threat walk all over her in her own home. Goodbye Brat.

@@robertgiles9124 she confronted him and shoot him in the back...Are you really saying this is the right way of dealing with this? There was any history of him being violent?

​@@victoriajohnson4420 Then go outside and call the police. Don't go to his room with a gun and continue the argument.

This shooting was planed planed planed. She had every intention of following through with her plan to kill him no matter what

He had a choice cookies and no drugs or drugs and lead.

She fed him drugz and sluggz....

​​@@thelord7627a PB (the atomic symbol for lead for those who haven't had chemistry yet)sandwich of bread and lead.

Murica tho...

How do you feel about this? Straight from the book of Mao Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party." Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung, Vol. II, pp. 224-225

My friend got taken advantage of by her adult grandson. She told him to leave or she was going to shoot him. She didn't have the gun out though. He left.

The evidence proves to the contrary

So are drugs and threatening your grandparents.

The grandmother held her legal gun in her home and used it after being kicked and punched by a man who was a family member She fired in self defense. He could have left.

​@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 im sorry but going up to him after he then runs away to call the police for help to shoot him again, is clearly not self defense.

@@lucianotapia840 Some may call it mercy.

She wanted him out of her life he probably made their lives HELL and she saw no end to it.

​@@HumanimalChannelkind of contradicts the claim that she was afraid her husband would kick him out, huh?

Jennifer should have been taking care of her own child if she cared so much and thought her mum was dangerous.

yes, she had no injuries. what else do you clearly know?

Exactly!

Everything can't always be the states (i.e the taxpayer) duty. My child's welfare and correct and loving upbringing is *my* responsibility, no one else's. This is only the families fault.

Maybe they should have raised their children to be better parents

That grandmother abused her own kids and kids think she not gonna abuse her grandchildren?

Yeah, the way that Dr. Grande told the story, it sounded like that claim wasn't made until after she met with her attorney.

Isnt there a 911 recording where hes screaming and she keeps shooting him? Case closed, crazy old b

Dr Grande usually doesn’t make baseless assumptions so I don’t know where he got the “he attacked her” from

she is strong

Physical injuries, no, but what about mental injury? Do not discount that

@@erikhouston You left out that he was seriously criminal and violent as hell... 💁

@@RuneCarverLLC this was not self defense she shot that boy twice in the back and she could've just called the police if she really feared that he'd steal her property

@@killerqueen873 Remember, she already went through that several times... theft , cops, counseling... it just goes on and on. i'm sure she did feel threatened and probably felt no alternative than to show the boy she had a gun and is going to use it if he gets out of control again and attacks her. She's not going to say how bad the boy was, but the rest of the community knows him very well as a total degenerate. It's funny how all of you that don't know the family or the boy seem to feel sorry for him, when the folks in the community that do know the boy feel sorry for the grandma… Perhaps they know a lot more than you do and the liberal judge in this case.

@@RuneCarverLLC Yeah but murder is not the answer.

@@bonchidude Hmmm... Do you think locking him up in prison where he gets raped constantly is a better idea, or maybe tell him "no" one more time would have worked, then POOF he suddenly had a clue and became a model citizen?

totally. This shooting was planed planed planed. She had every intention of following through with her plan to kill him no matter what

It was premeditated self-preservation knowing that the spineless legal system that we have would not do a damn thing to the kid!

@@SwimminWitDaFishies looooo sir

I know, right? 😒

Any "normal" kid doesn't demand that their grandparents give them money and a car. Lol. The kid is probably the sociopath, and never had any consequences growing up. The parents (who ever they are) were probably terrible parents. Granted, I don't think the kid should have been killed. He failed his drug tests, so he would be going to jail. *Grandma is off her rocker.

Grandma is evil!! One of the most evil acts one can do!

Almost beyond comprehension why are peaple still having children ?life on earth War zone ,What part of end times ,looming Apocalypse do peaple fail to understand ,selfish peaple connecting with wicked spirits how ?pathway mind altering substances. Do drugs shake hands with the devil .

Boomers...

Bath salts are nothing like spice in any way shape or form. Different classes of substances, different mode of action and different side effects profiles.

@@jasonbender2459 I’m aware two different substances…. Depending on what else someone is self medicating on. And their personal diagnosis. Both aggravate existing ailments worse

@@DaisyDay.-pm2cf It was her grandson

Not might be it is. Likely personality disorders running through that family

Yup. Coming from the crazy grandmother down to his parents and then him, just for granny to take him out.

That would explain all of America too well.

It's never just genetics.

@@scriptblender2660 part nature part nurture

And now she’s in prison for the rest of her life. A good deed never goes unpunished.

Which good deed specifically?​@@shameronstar7220

I love my last remaining grandmother more than anyone. But if by some ungodly reason me or any of her other grand kids raised a hand in anger towards her, I hope she would plug us too.

Weird energy going in in this thread…

I love my abuela but I also can’t see my self hurting her if somehow I became a danger to her well I wouldn’t mind people stopping me.

@@mystiquesquared fortunately none of mine have. We are all best friends. Sad when you see stuff like this.

Dahmer lived with his granny too for a while.