They cleared 2 of her lovers but didn't investigate any of the other 8 that month (and I'm not sure if she'd only been doing online hookups that one month or if there was multiple months worth).

His DNA was not on her phone. It was one of her lovers.

@@lindap.p.1337 and another family member's, I'm kinda surprised none of the children were considered, maybe they hated what their mother was doing to their loving father?

@@zopEnglandzip bahahaha loving father? he had broken into and stalked ex's, she had his dna under her finger nails. the women haters are real in this one. probably cause yall cant get any. far from a loving father.

Don't see how they can charge him with a crime. Except maybe for not doing it soon enough for the daughter. God only knows what happened to her with mom running that many strange men thru the house

‘M’, as in murder?

Simply changing the word never changes the meaning or act, it’s not a dirty word. It’s ok.

That was a crazy amount especially since he couldn't work

​@daynasafranek7807 they were probably trying not to trigger youtube censoring.

​@@daynasafranek7807censorship disagrees and will keep fighting to change words like suicide to self delete to unalive. It's so dumb

Agree

100% there is no incentive for young men to marry women, long term dating absent an idiotic contract that favors one party is favorable.

Dude was lazy.

Simply not always true.

"Remarrying"

​@@rockon8174how was he lazy and earning so much ? His wife sounds like a cheater and lose woman, I bet she cheated on him and destroyed the marriage

Especially after she had had another man's baby. What....was....Clay....even....thinking?

As many splatters as stars in the sky

😅

Oh you’re so clever Ffs someone’s mom was murdered Take your bs jokes to another story

@@barbaraweiss8686 Yes, and the mom was an adulteress tramp who treacherously messed with her husband’s head until he broke. And now she’s dead. Boo F-ing hoo cry me a river 😭

It wasn't just jealousy. She divorce-raped him. It shows how divorce laws are now rabidly anti-male. If the husband cheats, the wife walks away with cash and prizes, leaving the husband a broken man. And if the wife cheats, the wife walks away with cash and prizes, leaving the husband a broken man.

Such things are not unheard of, especially when you pay that much, & owe that much

The arrears was causing him to be looking at jail time.

Probably because he realised it was the end of the relationship for real this time and he couldn't deal with the fact that she was having sex with other people. A huge blow to his ego. So many moving parts to this story. It's always a tragedy for the children involved- They lost both parents who clearly didn't prioritize them.

You finally had enough.

I’ve seen cases of men with high-paying jobs in the boom days of Silicon Valley being required to make high child-support payments - and then losing their jobs, with no change to the size of the payments.

Washington state… liberals

@@markiangooleyso it’s only means tested at the start?

@@markiangooleyum ok? Guys like that just get another high paying job

Not to mention its by definition sexist towards woman. Why can't a woman provide for her family exactly I thought they were equal to men?

Loose*

Male contributing DNA😀.

She's for the streets 🎉

The town bicycle.

Ho, she was active alright.

When that's £10k and another £5k on-top _basically for forever_ despite being out of work. Wow, heavy shit.

Agreed. There is too much reasonable doubt here

Surely he had jealousy rage going back many years.

Why would he remarry her then still work in Alaska while she stayed in Washington He had to know she was racking up the hook ups like crazy. Even with five kids in the house at that time, I am sure she didn't care if they saw her doing it. I certainly would never have had more kids with her. I Guess He thought that would settle her down? Not likely. I wonder where the two oldest boys were when this happened?

​@@ahill4642 Oh "surely." 🙄

Best comment here. They drove this man to insanity added to his wives lust for men. She had no stable job, no stable home, added onto his back injury this man still

Yeah that's an insane price for the area and the time! Doesn't add up to me.

He probably even asked for her back, wouldn’t be surprised

My wife has a friend who married and separated and had a baby with another man and he still took her back and agreed to r a i s e the kid. They still divorced anyways. Real world cuckolds

Everyone makes at least one stupid mistake with women. Dude married his mistake, but he was likely thinking about his kids. He was a good father that hoped she'd slow down, but a ho like that never will.

She must have been...er, very talented. Or something like that..

My Grandparents split and divorced at one point. Not long later they remarried and stayed that way until their death. They often fought. My Dad wouldn't put them in the same nursing home because my granddad needed a higher level of care, and he didn't want calls from the nursing home that they were yelling at each other. I didn't find out until a few years ago that they had slept in different rooms. On my mom's side, I don't really know the whole story but my Aunt slept in an upstairs bedroom and spent most of her time in the living room, kitchen, when she wasn't at work. Her husband had a few rooms in the basement and except for meals, spent most of his time in the basement.

Foreal! 😮

Sadly, sounds more like a sex/love addict than anything. 10 men isn’t fun, it’s a sign of compulsive behavior.

She didn’t work and the father of the kids (who supported her) helped her with childcare such as driving and picking the children up from school.

Sounds exhausting to me 😅

I can see youre thirsty, but it’s still gross that her choices as a single female are your first focus and energy spent to comment rather than commenting that an Innocent Woman was MURDERED and he left all their children orphaned. As “shocking” as this is for hooded eyes, facts say , many men do this too and a “hole” lot more and nobody seems to be that shocked by their multiple partners nor blame them for being murdered. Why do you think that is?? Really think about your thought process here. We need to do better as a society. And it starts with you, parched or not.

Yeah, it was a total mess of a situation. I felt so bad hearing about the girl taking her own life. The dad should have tried to get the mom help for the reckless sex addiction, instead he gave her an execution, it's fortunate the crazy dad did not also kill his kids.

@@geekinasuit8333 Why the he11 would he have killed his kids? They weren't ripping him off and trying to get him sent to jail.

@@geekinasuit8333 Seemed like the mom had the bigger issues than the father ever did. She collects thousands of dollars and sleeps with a myriad of random men she met online? No wonder the kids defend their father and profess his innocence…

@@geekinasuit8333 You live in an alternate reality if you think an ex helps with a sex addiction.

​@@geekinasuit8333fukkin lol its not the job of the husband to fix his slùt wifes slùt behavior.

How do you know she brought the strangers around her children. Maybe she only did it when they were at school and or weekends when they were visiting their friends. Do we really know or is that an assumption.

I don’t think it’s wrong to have Romantic encounters when you’re not married any longer although it’s probably not so wise to have so many and to date men more wisely, especially if you have young children.

You don’t know that! Her kids weren’t toddlers. Maybe they were at school? Maybe she met them at a hotel. Who cares. Men behave FAR worse and nobody blinks an eye.

@@enjoystraveling well how’d that turn out for her?

​@enjoystraveling with 10 men though. That's insane 😳 Even the doctor said "that lifestyle is not without risk" Doctor also said many men were coming to her house, listen @ 11:11 timestamp.

That happends all the time. That is why you don't get married in America if you are a male.

​@@patriciovarela8794really? If a male? My ex paid zero. He also was given every leniency under the sun. I was screwed over by him reporting me daily. Theres no black n white argument.

@@patriciovarela8794 the thing is that he was unemployed. It’s not like he was making money (on the books) and refusing to pay.

@@gemmalocatelli5916 what you say is true. Some man are like that.

​@gemmalocatelli5916 some people take that rhetoric about males not marrying too far. But there is an undeniable preference towards women in divorce settings. It is literally undeniable. Sure, there are cases where the women might not get a fair settlement but you are in a minority. What was he reporting you for on a daily basis? That sounds wild

She was dating though, she didn't sleep with most of them. The dad was on a real smear campaign and seems like it worked on some people.

​@@missJolie85He didn't need to smear her, she smeared herself by having countless affairs during the marriage and dating/doing dozens of men after the marriage ended. Strange men coming in and out of the house, including 10 in one month alone. With young children in the home. And she was a "Christian." 🙄 Almost 5k a month in support because she wouldn't get a job. What a joke.

@@e.a.4926 Are you a family member of him, since you are answering every where? Miss bad Christian woman who is slut shaming and pasning judgment om others like a pro?

@@e.a.4926 Are you a family member of him, I see you everywhere, miss «Christian» lady who loves to shame and pass judgement?

Forensics: ask around at Starbucks.

lol

also forensics: "Everybody's"

The medical examiner was probably finding DNA from his friends and family

If he was earning $300,000/year, that would only be 18 point something, of his income.

He shouldn't have to pay her a cent. she was a serial cheater. she destroyed his life. why should she be rewarded for it?

Should their kids be responsible for that? He gets to dead beat out cos his wife was running around getting stretched on the daily? That's not the kids fault.​@@mynameismin3

​@@custardgannet4836 She shouldn't have had custody of the kids.

​@@custardgannet4836then take care of your kids. easily could have got custody the woman was clearly unstable. You have custody of the kids you can actually support THEM not the wh-re .

pretty rude comment

@@stanallport6746pretty funny comment *

@@stanallport6746Rude? Hugh.

Anyone who’s “aspiring” to be a dental assistant Doesn’t have much aspirations

everyone has sex, just cause your probably have none, doesnt mean she couldnt do whatever she wanted in this life. grow up.

Medical research.

But that is what it is. Monogamy is a male construct that never had place in human relationships, expecting monogamy is toxic patriarchy because it reinforces male ownership of the female body. Her body her choice.

@@jamegumb7298 Just say whatever they want you to say. The idea that monogamy was invented by men for men is absurd on its face.

@@kylez8010 Women have a right and reason to cheat. Men never do.

Cheating? They were formally divorced.

Yikes is an understatement

@@limbeboy7 I don't know, she seemed like she was sexually active with anyone that was willing.

she could have saved her ex the money and started a career in film

I don’t know. It sounds like she was having sex with man after man after man. I wonder if the ex husband just developed a jealous rage combined with disgust and acted on it.

@@limbeboy7 The other evidence was too much to ignore, the ex-husband definitely did it, look up the story. Everyone had an alibi except for the ex-husband, who left DNA and other incriminating evidence behind. There were other incidents where he was stalking his ex, breaking into her home and stealing stuff. It was unclear that the mom was a sex addict, that was an accusation made by the ex-husband who probably planted the sex toys.

He had a lot of unpaid child support and the judge got sick of that and ordered 50% of his disability (he was on disability later on) because he was tired of that. Read up on this case, there is a lot more to the story. He was really after her, he even had a restraining order at one point, and all the things about her sleeping with everybody came from him. She did date and she did have sex, but not in the insane amount people seems to think here. He was very jealous and controlling.

@@missJolie85 It would be a lot of unpaid child support if the monthly amount ordered by the judge was REASONABLE, but in this case, it was only 2 months' worth, so not "a lot."

@@jkneeland89 Does this even sound logical to you. it would take longer than 2 months to have this case up in court again, so obviously it's more than 2 months.

@@missJolie85 just the fact that he got her to leave Florida for Alaska is proof enough that he is controlling and manipulative!

@@missJolie85 Do the math, he owes $4700 a month, it’s a approximately 2 months worth.

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

The FBI raided P . Dittys house to cover up for the rich and famous and destroy evidence < main stream media dropped that story like a hot cake .

​@@missJolie85oh yeah she was smeared in something alright.

@@futurefunk88eddins96 And what do you want me to do about that? Are you hurt, are you ok?

This is a huge problem with police. They ignore or don’t follow up quickly on things like this. They’re working on other things like pulling over mostly law abiding citizens at random and doing fishing expeditions to invent charges. That means they’re safe, flexing their power, and working on “their terms”. That’s what police enjoy doing with their time

Wow excellently worded. Thanks for sharing.

I always wonder about situations like this and if the victim knew how to tap out an SOS, would an emergency operator would even recognize it? -- edit: It would almost always be possible to tap the receiver _(3 quick, 3 slow, 3 quick)_ more quietly than it would to actually dial 911 ...I also wonder if repeating the SOS would be more or less likely to confuse the operator.

The 4th amendment and “castle doctrine” are very high bars to hurdle. Generally speaking, with 911 hang ups, in the absence of any further info suggestive of exigency, police can’t enter.

Cell phones don’t give an address. And in a lot of cases, no owner identity.

She was a bad mom? Where do you get evidence of that

@@southrules Was she the perfect moral example by teaching her kids to live a risky life and exposing them to all kinds of strangers? So many ways her reckless behavior can be damaging. .

@@kaym.2854not if it was in private( not around the kids)

@@TaylorElizabethHunt please. if it was evident to everyone else, you think the kids who lived there would'nt have known?

@@kaym.2854 yeah kids don’t know that their parents have sex, also isn’t it just terrible that people like to have sex, she is so evil! How dare her enjoy sex

Hope the FBI keeps tabs on you. You are sick

And “vigorous romantic activity.” 🤣

Revolving romantic interests 😂

☺️ This is Dr. G’s way of keeping things clean/gently sarcastic.

He doesn't want KZfaq to strike the video😂

i thought he meant barista people

And you thought the only thing in a dirty chai latte was chai and water.

I know the feeling ! I'm a McDonald .......unfortunately it's the wrong McDonalds...!!

@@2msvalkyrie529 And I'm a Ronald 😂😂😂

My last name is King, My first name is Burger but people call me Burg.

The sex toy being *deployed* was my favorite line, too. Dr. Grande is an absolute master of the smart man’s wordplay

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂

I was thinking the same thing!

😂😂😂

Seriously, is that his natural hairline or some weird comb-over?

Because if they'll cheat they'll murder 🙄

Such a sad story….🌵

So true 😢

Well generally but it varies. The guy's life probably wasn't going to great at that point anyway, so he figured "what the hell"

Why did he “have a right to be mad at her”? She doesn’t dictate how much money he pays, that stuff is decided by a judge based on his income level and amount of children under 18… He had no reason whatsoever to be mad her her, she did nothing to him except move onto sexual adventures ethically. Not even cheating on him, but doing it in divorce… how are you able to view this woman as a wrongful person at all, in the slightest?

@@Cometcast12 This is demonstrably false. I encourage everyone to read the court documents before rushing to the comment section with sensational misinformation...

I give it 50/50. If the gender was reversed she would have walked.

Sounds like a classic case of fuck around and find out

Obviously we can't see it all just watching this video, but based on what's said here, I agree with you. It's not a jury's job to make someone pay during deliberations, only to determine if the case is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I think way too many juries want to make someone pay on their watch. She deserves justice for sure but convicting someone who may be innocent is not the answer.

I agree.

Absolutely agree.

You realize the trial went on for several weeks right? The jurors hurt a whole hell of a lot that isn't covered here. Did you see any parts of the trial or the closing statements? These reasonable doubts that you think are there I wonder why the defense attorneys didn't make them? Do you think that's incompetence and the defense attorneys were engaged in malpractice or what? I don't know if you've ever been on a jury but what goes on in jury deliberations is markedly different from what gets reported publicly. The system is not perfect but it's a hell of a lot more bias to let guilty people go free then guilty people to get convicted although all these true crime podcasts and TV shows makes everybody think that things work much different than they really do

@@PicaPauDiablo1 A lot of people think "beyond a reasonable doubt" means zero doubt at all, like, smoking gun and video of the act.

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

It's called 'nymphomania'. 'Satyriasis' for men.

That’s western women for ya

​@@missJolie85Little miss innocent 😂

@@rebelp311 aww, that’s so sweet asswipe

It's not enjoyable

The religious (generally) are the most hypocritical “laws for thee but not for me” bunch of faux self-righteous narcissists on the planet.

Sounds like the church of modern day feminism - have all the fun you want without taking any responsibility for your own actions.

Dibella worshipper

​@@tuntitommosilleCorrect! I agree. That pretty much sums it up nicely.

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

There's so many things wrong with this case. The ex certainly could have done it, but, it just as easily can be explained as another one of her 10 (known) partners realizing he wasn't the only one, or even just killing her for fun and staging it to point to the ex. I don't know enough of the details to judge - and neither did the court nor jury.

I wondered about the son too. And here's another alternate theory of the crime - she wasn't 'posed', that was just the position she was in when one of her 10 boyfriends jabbed her with the stun gun for fun and she died laughing (or not). The whole case against the ex-husband is circumstantial as all get out.

The courts would answer to that point: not our mandate over oversee lifestyles or possibles. We can't tell the future.

She was gross and a terrible mother but imagine how empowered she must have felt getting used like a fleshlight by 10 guys a week. Boss girl stuff.

Just being a mother doesn't automatically make them a good one,known rotten ones on both sides.

I looked into it, more than I should have, and it's not clear that the woman was having sex with many men, that's a claim made by Clay's defence. It looked to me, she was trying to find another partner, and to do that , she was dating several men to find the right one. Some of her dates said that they never had sex with her, it was just a date. The sex toys appear to have been planted by whoever tortured and murdered Chanin, they were used to humiliate the victem. Some time prior to the murder, a bag of dildos was left at Chanin's door, no proof who did it, but Chanin knew it was Clay (she should have invested in a secrity camera system). Apparently she feared Clay and told people close to her that she suspected he was breaking into her home and stealing things. Clay says that everyone who testified that he was feared by Chanin and stalking her are liars. There's two sides to a story, and Dr Grande left out a lot of damning details. Go to Clay's innoncence FB page, it's as if Chanin never even existed, it's 100% all about Clay. If my wife was brutally killed, even if I devorced and wrongfully convincted, my remaining years would be dedicated with finding the real killer. This man Clay, looks to me as a controlling manipulative narcisist, but that's just a theory ...

@@geekinasuit8333 Hard to find the real killer when you're wrongfully imprisoned. Your "evidence" that you posted is nothing but hearsay.

I mean... All that male DNA the investigators found on her kind of confirms that

$4,700 a month 😂

Because there are a lot of other factors involved. It's not that easy. Get over yourself.

@@DS-ss7vl get over myself for not agreeing with murder. Ok

​@@BidensTaint💯

That's not why he murdered her she was taking financial advantage of the guy.

And get reeled back in by the alimony.

Shannon was also a 'whistle' blower.

​@@olliverklozov2789Really?! What was she blowing the whistle on?

@@sheilad.simonette6412 A "whistle" that spits out sticky white liquid lol

@@KhukuriGod Oic lol. I guess it went over my "head". 😅

She was true musician. Playing different kinds of fluits.

A jealous husband is 100 times more likely to be dangerous than guys that probably want to see her again. I'm not saying that I believe without a doubt he's guilty but the probability is extremely high.

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

@@missJolie85 thank you. This video, and the men in these comments are just awful.

The fact that the Dad killed her and posed her the way he did? He’s added to his own childrens’ misery and one’s suicide, surely.

​@@missJolie85where did the DNA from multiple men come from then?

@@protoman1214 Where did you hear multiple men? From the actual court doc, it was two, and one had familiar DNA with her children, so you can guess who that was. DNA testing of swabs taken from the victim's neck, face, and fingernails revealed that the male Starbuck lineage matched the Y-STR DNA found in those areas. One additional-and unidentified-male contributed Y-STR DNA to Ms. Starbuck's neck. I guess if you want to count her murderer as one, then she did have multiple DNA She dated to men a the time, one whom she did have a sexual relationship with John Kenlein, and Tom Walker, a man she had met three weeks earlier, whom she hadn't slept with (only went on dates) and he testified to that.

lol me too

Me too 😂😂😂

At some point I thought the DNA of all male employees of the local Starbucks had been found on her.

😹🤣🤣

I thought "Battlestar Galactica". 🧐

Their ghosts are, and they come back to haunt you for embarrassing them.

"I wouldn't be caught dead doing ..."

Don’t forget she has children and friends. Why make up stuff like this about her. No one knows if she was having sex with men she dated. That’s insane. I’ve dated a lot of men and it never went far enough for that to happen. A ex of mine even told my father I was running around with a bunch of men having sex with them. (I couldn’t believe it when my Dad told me this) Men can get so jealous they will resort to murdering a woman or defaming her. Happens all the time & people believe it.

​@@chrischamberlain7628yeah, she had a huge chest of sex toys for that. 😂😂😂

Yeah, and always wear a condom.

Amen friend.

Add to that kids and cohabitation. Any one of these brings big Daddy government into your life whether you asked for it or not.

Getting officially married is mostly symbolic today. The courts tend to look at shared legal and financial responsibilities when a separation occurs. There was an interesting court case a while ago, even though the two partners lived apart in separate homes, they shared enough responsibilities over a period of time to be deemed in a common law relationship. If you have a child, married or not, common law or not, you will still be legally responsible for child support.

​@@geekinasuit8333as it should be.

Suicide by... Drowning in a lake? I call bullshit.

@@atlasveldine6314 IKR.

Wow

@@atlasveldine6314 It's not the most common form of suicide, but people do drown themselves.

I haven't heard about this case before now, and because of this analyses by Dr Grande I just watched a lengthy documentary about this case found here on YT. The dude was horrible, and there was a lot of evidence that pointed at him.

@@missJolie85 a lot pointed away too

@@missJolie85 this case was on dateline too a few years back

@@Kolamite78 Well I don’t really consider it that way

I agree with you… imagine the rage he felt being screwed over by her… poor kids sure didn’t deserve this!

Dont get married

@@Linda98671school teacher seems to have more motive especially if she tried to blackmail him for money.😉

@@zstanic127 maybe more don’t remarry a total 304.👍

He only talked about DNA on the neck and phone in particular, nothing about nails.

​@MimiRAM0NE , he said and under her finger nails, listen to this part of of the video "9:58 to 10:01"

what sealed it for me was the use of a nickname of one of the children on the text message.

Did he at least try to ask the court to get the payment amended?

Here's what they found

Assuming they look at all

whatever they want to find...

Absolutely. Dr. Grande obviously has a high IQ. Imagine how different the world would look if everyone was at least 10% smarter.

i'm not sure that jury system is that great because it's so easy to be swayed by the dominant personalities in the group and the peer pressure to just go along with whatever everybody is thinking. what should happen in a case like this is for every juror to write an essay stating how they come to the conclusion so that we can examine if their thinking process is even logical.

How do i get lips as big as yours?

Or…. Women don’t want you.

@@Straightjacket154 Wow, that was an incredibly rude and unprovoked reaction to my comment. What’s wrong in your life that you feel that to belittle others in such a way? I would imagine you have low self-esteem or some other underlying issues.

Creative in an uncreative way

Never seen "Chanin" as a first name.

Only fictional characters such as the one in the novel Moby-Dick, in my case…

Robbie Starbuck, politician from Tennessee

You guys want anything from Starbuck?

Faster than Shannon’s many partners!

Yes, that poor murderer.

I agree... she was vile.

@@dicedrice7216 Yup... he should get new trial and be acquitted.

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

@@missJolie85 can you provide the link to the doc?? my take away from this is it was the bills he had to pay while she was out on the town collecting dna. Money makes people do crazy things.

She did not commit adultery

She was already divorced

@@enjoystraveling A married person who has sexual intercourse with another than his or her spouse, and an unmarried person who has sexual intercourse with a married person not his or her spouse, commits adultery

@@Cometcast12 yes she did. she was a serial cheater. why do you think they got divorsed twice? Also she was having sex with married men while she was divorsed, that is also adultery.

I just watched a long documentary about this case, and she didn't sleep with all these men. She dated a normal amount of people, most of them meeting them for a coffee, dinner. With a few of them she went further. Her ex (the murderer) went on a real smear campaign against her, and he was really jealous - which is why she ended up dead. Sad to see the label he put out there destroyed her reputation like this, especially since she is no longer here to defend herself.

@@missJolie85 your point?

@@missJolie85 when you sleep around, you put yourself at risk. This is a fact. It's not victim blaming to say so. Shut up

@@missJolie85 number one, you're lying, and you didn't watch any documentary, number two, there's two types of people in this world, kids like yours, who are going to be a perpetual victim, and kids like mine, who is raised with pepper spray and a switchblade. Because I don't make excuses for anybody. Hope your child has all their excuses lined up 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@missJolie85 and I'm sorry, what pretend documentary were you talking about, the one that doesn't exist, and I said something that offended you so you're making up a false documentary? What documentary were you talking about

The son did it.

@@nolaparker9574I also wonder if the son was involved in the murder. I’m sure he was seeing that $4700 a month and back support as harming is father.

She was living a pretty reprehensible life

Based on your photo, I’d guess you have the same lifestyle as her.

Oh yeah...family court is all about helping out the father, especially in matters of child support and custody.

He had so many ways to deal with it…after seeing how they fleeced him the first time. It was $2,500 to get a lawyer to file that paper work 20 years ago. He was broke and disabled, taking care of 2/5 of the kids…people just don’t pay attention to the world around them. I went through that…they do not freeze child support. It becomes arrears, for men anyway. The courts assume you are faking and just pile on the penalties even more if you try that. They did to me several times. The state of California and a licensed MD put it in writing I was disabled. The judge just said too bad. I’ve seen it over and over and over….even when she got into meth and dumped my son on my porch, I had to pay support for three more months. The judge lied and said there was nothing that could be done. They leaned over backwards for her over and over and even with sworn statements from female coworkers and friends they let her do 2 no shows in court, and still “took the matter under consideration”. When I missed one court date out of about 20, I was 15 minutes late, they instituted her requests and sanctioned me. They wouldn’t order her to pay support for 2 more years, and when she wouldn’t pay for another 3 years they never suspended her drivers license. They suspended mine 5 times when I was ACTUALLY PAYING AS ORDERED, twice out of disability (it was garnished by the court). There response when I took the day off work the other three times? “Whoops! Sorry Mr Bowen. Your license will be released after paying this $30 release fee and another $15 to the DMV for reinstatement”. Don’t tell me about options.

My ex wife was on meth, there was proof, and she was never deemed unfit. I wonder if some of this ones male visitors were cops…or judges….easily?!? $2,500 and up for a lawyer to go into court. They basically never find a mother unfit. I’ve seen cases where the mom was on heroin, and that didn’t get her declared unfit. Sometimes even with multiple events involving the police finding the kids alone and unsupervised. They will do ANYTHING to protect a woman, almost no matter what she does.