Tolarian Winds: The Real Cost Of Double Masters And Premium Priced Magic: The Gathering Sets

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Tolarian Community College

Tolarian Community College

4 жыл бұрын

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@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
Is is possible for MTG to survive on Commander alone? Check out my new video that explores just this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcWcdbFit-CveKs.html
@jugg4701
@jugg4701 4 жыл бұрын
For the same price, us newer players can get a deck builders set with almost 300 cards. $16.30 is total BULL CRAP. Keep up the great videos Professor!
@grantmiller9614
@grantmiller9614 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Prof, as a fellow MTG lover. WHAT THE HECK CAN WE DO?!? How do we make our voices heard to WATC?
@Ziggo666
@Ziggo666 4 жыл бұрын
@@grantmiller9614 easiest way is for the masses to boycott buying magic products but that womt happen until these prices get way out of hand.
@stevengegar9709
@stevengegar9709 4 жыл бұрын
You keep up the GREAT work on MTG products I learned from you that Anthology Commander was worth buying and saving . I bought it for 150.oo and NOW you can not find it for less than 3-400.oo Thnx Professor and return to game KNIGHTS love you analogy during the game ! ! !
@nathanielwhitehead6475
@nathanielwhitehead6475 4 жыл бұрын
I have to ask; we don't all need to buy boosters. Why not look at the single market as well. I am looking at various ccgs stores that sell singles have shown many of the Mythics for double masters is beginning to lower like blightsteel.
@irishbear8383
@irishbear8383 4 жыл бұрын
"These aren't collector's pieces, they're GAME pieces being made into collector's pieces." VERY well said, friend
@hyfy-tr2jy
@hyfy-tr2jy 4 жыл бұрын
and manufacturers are not collectors...they are sellers.....the idea of anything being "collectors pieces" puts the blame on the buyer not the seller
@MooseMoosesMeese
@MooseMoosesMeese 4 жыл бұрын
White boy the problem is people do play with these cards and play against people who can’t buy them making poorer players continuously lose which ruins the game for many people
@Adamchevy
@Adamchevy 4 жыл бұрын
I'll just stick with my Proxy collectors pieces. I'm sorry but living in a world of fantasy where most people can afford this game month after month is just not reality. Mortgages, food, and cars are really expensive these days!
@samhoogy9057
@samhoogy9057 4 жыл бұрын
@White Boy MY BRO WILL SAID U DONT HAVE TO PLAY AT RANK 1 U ARE NOT Professional player u can just play Stated commander and MTGA
@samhoogy9057
@samhoogy9057 4 жыл бұрын
@@MooseMoosesMeeseMY U DONT HAVE TO PLAY AT RANK 1 U ARE NOT Professional player u can just play Stated commander and MTGA
@alexsiopiolosz1956
@alexsiopiolosz1956 4 жыл бұрын
All this guy ever does is give a voice that represents the MTG community. Keep up the great work Prof.
@AricHaldan0782
@AricHaldan0782 4 жыл бұрын
now if only the people at wotc would listen to him and decide to sell them for a lot cheaper than they seem to intend that'd be great. I am just going to buy another mystery booster box instead, I loved that product and it was reasonably priced. oh and reprint fetchlands you cowards !
@alexsiopiolosz1956
@alexsiopiolosz1956 4 жыл бұрын
@@AricHaldan0782I agree with you 100% and Mystery boosters was a great product bought a box myself and great to draft with friends.
@McfcxEz
@McfcxEz 4 жыл бұрын
Wim De Cock every time they interview with TCC, they say “oh we have been listening to you and the community” no you haven’t wotc. As a new player I want to get into paper magic, (I started on arena, I pay 20$ at the start of the set, and then another 20$ during the set it works out pretty well) I own 1 EDH deck. But it’s not financially viable for me to play any other format, because I must play hand in EDH. I budget myself 100-150$ in the 99. I want to play Standard or Modern but I literally can’t buy into it
@nathanfriedman7367
@nathanfriedman7367 4 жыл бұрын
@@AricHaldan0782 Same, Mystery boosters were great....until they jacked up the price
@marksammons9462
@marksammons9462 4 жыл бұрын
Hd
@bodhitree628
@bodhitree628 4 жыл бұрын
Wizards: Doesn't reprint fetch lands Me: Fine. I'll do it myself.
@ralphynunez1347
@ralphynunez1347 4 жыл бұрын
🤣
@johanandersson6268
@johanandersson6268 4 жыл бұрын
But for which formats.
@kayalbhatia5458
@kayalbhatia5458 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@timolebeck6405
@timolebeck6405 4 жыл бұрын
Or let Chinese dealers do that for you for a couple bucks🤷‍♂️
@austinroy-stewart1268
@austinroy-stewart1268 4 жыл бұрын
Players: "16 bucks is too much for 1 pack!" Wotc: "Is this some peasant joke I'm too rich to understand?"
@atlys258
@atlys258 3 жыл бұрын
Hasbro to WotC: "SILENCE, PEASANT!"
@h_wallace7574
@h_wallace7574 4 жыл бұрын
“Twice the pride, double the fall.” - Count Dooku
@samuellawrence1045
@samuellawrence1045 4 жыл бұрын
Very apt in this case
@Vina.Acecook
@Vina.Acecook 4 жыл бұрын
well the Prof won't get this he didn't watched Star Wars y'all 😅🤣
@goatguy7002
@goatguy7002 4 жыл бұрын
OMG That's so great. I can't believe I didn't come up with this. Good, good.
@moxavenger
@moxavenger 4 жыл бұрын
Overpriced booster boxes are the pathway to many abilities some consider to be.... unnatural.
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 4 жыл бұрын
Half the time. An unspoken implication
@mfreidfood9867
@mfreidfood9867 4 жыл бұрын
Reprints don’t mean anything if packs are that expensive
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It is not providing access at this point.
@saidgazikov9967
@saidgazikov9967 4 жыл бұрын
Reprinting a $50 card at mythic in a $15 per pack set isn't a reprint. It's a joke of a reprint. Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon make wotc look like complete clowns with how they reprint cards. All that is why I play pauper
@Hames8
@Hames8 4 жыл бұрын
@@TolarianCommunityCollege Do I sound like a battered wife if I say Double Masters sounds like a better deal than Ultimate Masters?
@trowawayacc
@trowawayacc 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed. And this is getting tiresome. I have to choose where i spend my very limited cash and m2021 is not it.
@monkeygaming2859
@monkeygaming2859 4 жыл бұрын
The reprints would have to be insane for it to be worth that price.... I’m talking about fetches. If there were fetches I would very likely buy a box but without them there needs to be a set of good reprints for it to be at all worth it
@KingGameReview
@KingGameReview 4 жыл бұрын
Mystery Booster boxes were incredible. I pre-ordered my box for under $100, and I loved that product. I doubt we'll ever see anything with value like that again.
@dalebird1482
@dalebird1482 4 жыл бұрын
Are they selling for double the original cost near you too?
@zekebecker4155
@zekebecker4155 4 жыл бұрын
And it was a WAY better set than most. Probably my favorite set due to the wide variety and huge size of the set, not to mention the many valuable cards it contains.
@algetzzdoobie
@algetzzdoobie 4 жыл бұрын
I am not a KZfaq commenter. I don’t do the whole like/subscribe song and dance all that much. But this video strikes at the very core of a lot of challenges I am having with this game and company behind it. Thank you for your effort and for being a player advocate. Thank you for not selling out. People need to see and hear this. Liked. Subscribed. Commented. You getting all this, KZfaq? Listen to the man!
@kedros45
@kedros45 4 жыл бұрын
wotc: "I guess this product isn't for you" me: "but why not" wotc: "you're poor"
@TheCatHerder
@TheCatHerder 4 жыл бұрын
Not even poor, just not the kind of rich where you can spend $300 on a box of cards.
@madmanbenji
@madmanbenji 4 жыл бұрын
hello high quality proxies...
@BlackenedVoodoo11
@BlackenedVoodoo11 4 жыл бұрын
Cat Herder aka too poor for wotc
@angelrivera1420
@angelrivera1420 4 жыл бұрын
Word
@ulipeterson6112
@ulipeterson6112 4 жыл бұрын
WotC:"why not show a little more dedication to your hobby, then? Get a second job!"
@mrbaglione
@mrbaglione 4 жыл бұрын
Professor, thank you for giving voice to the thousands of players like me who also love this game but are frustrated. You are not complaining just to complain, you are voicing a legitimate concern that I, for one, share. There is no way wizards doesn’t pay attention to your videos in some way or other and the more people who comment, wizards might actually start to see. I, personally, will not be buying any part of this product, sealed or singles, until the culture of reprints change.
@McMacMastaMan
@McMacMastaMan 4 жыл бұрын
The problem is that this channel, and the comments below, are seen as the vocal minority. There will be no change because of a ~500k youtube channel when they have tens of millions of players completely unaware what is going on and feeding the now common market practises
@Jonathan-qk5ed
@Jonathan-qk5ed 4 жыл бұрын
I have the money to spend on MtG, but here I am agreeing with you on this topic... I've quit, you should quit, we all should quit... Maybe then WotC would step up their game.
@Tryo707
@Tryo707 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jonathan-qk5ed Don't quit. Just stop buying new cards if you must. Don't let other people have that much control over the things you enjoy. If you really need new cards perhaps you can trade or proxy. I hope you keep playing if it makes you happy.
@bobby45825
@bobby45825 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jonathan-qk5ed Or just get proxies. Yes, it fucks the secondary market to death, but it also means the Chinese step up their game on how quickly they can shove out new proxies of new cards. It's a double whammy if you can bend over whales AND wizards at the same time when both are trying to price gouge and turn a children's card game into a stock market.
@Baby_boodle
@Baby_boodle 4 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@pitbul2877
@pitbul2877 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, a kid spending $16 on a pack and getting a 50¢ rare will probably never touch this game again. Good for him.
@TheMCGamer2012
@TheMCGamer2012 4 жыл бұрын
I started playing Magic as a kid and even I knew singles were the way to go
@Illway
@Illway 4 жыл бұрын
That'll be the cheapest $16 they'd ever spend.
@thomascarrie2312
@thomascarrie2312 4 жыл бұрын
Happened to me yesterday,(I am 14) thing is though, the game is fun, and I want to be able to keep playing, so I have to buy the new cards if i want those 40$ singles
@jordongibson5983
@jordongibson5983 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomascarrie2312 A little tip for you. Print the cards you want from a proxie generator. You can then put them in plastic sleeves, in front of basic lands. Magic is great game and I am sure you'll love it, but don't let them bleed your wallet dry.
@JohnSmith-bj6qj
@JohnSmith-bj6qj 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomascarrie2312 Yup. Agree with the other guy. I played this game about 20 years ago and still have my collection. I have some dual / rocks / duals whatever. I still tell every one of my friends to print their cards. If the people you play with don't allow proxy, find better play group. They aren't worth your time. Separate the collection and the game. They can be two different aspects.
@jasoncornwall6379
@jasoncornwall6379 4 жыл бұрын
Magic: the proxy’ing. My favorite game.
@AwakeInNaptown
@AwakeInNaptown 4 жыл бұрын
I've had to quit playing competitive magic several times over the years due to not having the money to afford it. Once they ditched MSRP I knew my personal end to magic was coming to an end, and sets like this are why I've wiped my hands entirely from playing the game. I love this game. I've worked at and co-owned LGS's in the past. I've judged magic at the competitive level. I WANT to play it. But I can't. I can't justify paying the amount of money it takes to play anymore. It makes me so sad. Thankfully, I have friends who can afford it, so I'll be able to sit down with their commander decks and play casually with them, but not everyone has that luxury and I don't think WOTC understands that, or if they do they don't care. Thanks for continuing to make great content, Prof. Just because I can't afford to play anymore doesn't mean I don't still love the content. Keep fighting the good fight and holding their feet to the fire.
@clintonwalker5043
@clintonwalker5043 4 жыл бұрын
My thoughts are..... $300!!!! Why!! Golden ink? Im grown and played from high school. Its always been cardboard to me. The world is in disarray and they are selling cardboard for more than my first car cost me. I'm sure "This product is not for me." I wish nobody bought any and we just blankly stared at them. They would kbow exactly why without asking...... Thanks Prof. for remembering when we were kids taking jobs around the neighborhood to buy packs
@danumd87
@danumd87 4 жыл бұрын
Corpsefoot Gaming it really isn’t Wotc fault. Hasbro has been unable to profit from many of their properties but Mtg is its cash cow. They are the ones doing this to us. They demand Wotc tax us to the end of the earth to play this game we love. It’s brutal
@Numenorean5393
@Numenorean5393 4 жыл бұрын
This is what pushes people to proxy cards. Our kitchen table games allow proxies, but if these cards weren't literally worth more than their weight in plutonium there would be no need...
@rev949
@rev949 4 жыл бұрын
Pauper and similar casual formats are the last bastions of the Magic I knew and grew up with. But I feel like even they're starting to get encroached upon by this loot box attitude WotC is pressing into the game. You either pay to win or you get consistently outclassed by players with more disposable income.
@GlichCentral
@GlichCentral 4 жыл бұрын
I think that if Secret Lairs didn’t shatter the illusion of cards just being 5 cent cardboard pieces, nothing will.
@TheMystcast
@TheMystcast 4 жыл бұрын
With the recent spoilers of 4 more of them and these glorified alt art cards that are not even in any way special than the normal is just mind boggling for the price they sit at.
@spardaman
@spardaman 4 жыл бұрын
Well, to be fair, Secret Lairs are just alternatives for already accessible pieces (minus the fetchlands - reprint fetchlands reasonably you cowards). Like what prof said, there's no big deal in doing these as long as there are same pieces that are readily accessible for players with a lower budget.
@robb7404
@robb7404 4 жыл бұрын
Short term gains at the cost of long term health. I see so many businesses do this, and then years down the road when they lose their loyal base they ask themselves "Where did we go wrong" like they didn't know that it was going to happen.
@river7222
@river7222 3 жыл бұрын
The CEO doesn't care if the game is destroyed. He will go onto another job and boast about the profits he raised. Meanwhile everyone at wizards who does care about the health of the game will have to clean it up.
@Iverson1590
@Iverson1590 4 жыл бұрын
WotC: "wHy WoN't ThEy StOp CoUnTeRfEiTiNg CaRdS?!?!?!?!?!"
@a.velderrain8849
@a.velderrain8849 4 жыл бұрын
Tbh I don't think WotC complains about counterfeits. They're making tons of money as it is.
@MrMaskesm
@MrMaskesm 4 жыл бұрын
well when they do things like this more ppl go to counterfeits :D cause prices are getting higher and higher
@HugsmadeDrugs
@HugsmadeDrugs 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrMaskesm bro i use counterfeits and i'm shameless about it.
@ddublu397
@ddublu397 4 жыл бұрын
@@HugsmadeDrugs same here. But for the sake of appearance: shame on you.
@Thatguyinabox
@Thatguyinabox 4 жыл бұрын
You mean the janky proxies I made (after clearing it with my playgroup) because they refuse to reprint Cloudstone Curio in a meaningful way?
@TheKingRiku
@TheKingRiku 4 жыл бұрын
The second you showed that price my excitement went from 100 to "nope".
@Grahdens
@Grahdens 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@gwynbleiddroach2589
@gwynbleiddroach2589 4 жыл бұрын
Especially with no damn fetchlands
@clintonwalker5043
@clintonwalker5043 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@curtisebear7652
@curtisebear7652 4 жыл бұрын
Preach it Professor, your honesty is as rare as a fetch land reprint.
@tinyhawk6427
@tinyhawk6427 4 жыл бұрын
rip windswept heath
@djskype020202
@djskype020202 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't he honest in each video? I'd not say his honesty is as rare as a fetch land
@gypsieking3280
@gypsieking3280 4 жыл бұрын
Djskype, I assume he means the Professor as a voice is a rare voice of honesty versus other mtg personalities.
@dungeonquesting8075
@dungeonquesting8075 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine being a kid trying to by a booster with his allowance and finding it to be $16. He is going to turn around and buy something else
@TheMCGamer2012
@TheMCGamer2012 4 жыл бұрын
I was a kid when I started Magic and even I knew singles were the way to go?
@Durgenheim
@Durgenheim 4 жыл бұрын
He's not a "whale" so he's really not WotC's target audience.
@kaibe5241
@kaibe5241 4 жыл бұрын
Like Flesh & Blood. A far superior game.
@_charwyn
@_charwyn 4 жыл бұрын
Gamerzilla2012 cracking packs is part of the fun for many
@davidhoar75
@davidhoar75 4 жыл бұрын
i was going to like this comment, but it has 69 likes. Niiiiiiiiiiiice...
@Cryxboy
@Cryxboy 4 жыл бұрын
I have a completely tuned Tymna/Thrasios Ad Hoc cEDH deck that's optimized all the way up to my copy of Timetwister. The deck is worth a little over $9,000. Even someone like me won't be buying Double Masters. $300 a box for reprints is stupid, I'll just buy the singles I want from my card shop. My deck is filled with black bordered foreign Revised dual lands, Timetwister, Imperial Seal, Mana Drain, Masterpieces galore. I'd abolish the reserve list and tank all of their prices just to keep people playing the game. Wizards is putting too much effort into preserving collection values that making their game approachable for people who actually want to play the damn game. Abolish the Reserved List, make every set pack price $3.99, make every new Commander deck $35, etc. The sheer amount of extra people you will attract to the game and retain as established players will MORE than make up for the lower shelf prices. Wizards and Hasbro don't seem to understand this.
@mikwiebe450
@mikwiebe450 4 жыл бұрын
I think the profit margin dip that will come before the player base expands is scary to Hasbro and the financial team of Wizards. $3.99 instead of $16.50 is just under a quarter profit, and so to shareholders and finance people that is basically suicide. I'm not saying the price is good, I can't afford to buy good cards and new products at all. I just don't see the upper level people even budging one bit.
@madddawgg2
@madddawgg2 4 жыл бұрын
How many packs of Alpha and Beta did you buy to get your Timetwister?
@Cryxboy
@Cryxboy 4 жыл бұрын
@@madddawgg2 I unfortunately started playing in 1999 with Tempest as the first set I ever opened, I bought my Timetwister for $2,500 ish a while back.
@Cryxboy
@Cryxboy 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikwiebe450 A quarter of the "profit" of printing cardboard???? You seem to be mistaken, thinking the production cost of printing cards is anywhere event remotely CLOSE to their selling price. $3.99 per pack of Double Masters would basically x6 or x7 their individual unit sales. Many who were just gonna buy one box of Double Masters would likely now buy a full case. That would tank secondary market value but more cards would get into more players' hands, more people would be able to play, and Wizards/Hasbro would make more money per customer on Double Masters. More people would be able to support their LGS buying those boxes from them as well. Sealed product is their lowest profit margin product, but profit is still profit, and a set with the content like Double Masters would fly off the shelves.
@NightOfCrystals
@NightOfCrystals 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this stuff will never happen. I own a signed Ancestral Recall and some duals/legacy and modern staples +1 modern deck and I am considering selling everything, I think that MTG is in a downward spiral that has been in motion for a couple years now. I would also be 100% for dropping the reserve list and reprinting power/vintage staples, etc. The fact that a number of modern decks cost as much as legacy decks did not too long ago is honestly a canary in the coal mine. Also they could honestly charge $30 or even $25 for commander decks - $25 would put them in line with their industry ($50 for premium board games.)
@OGJackW
@OGJackW 4 жыл бұрын
I love how after this video they literally announced 5+ secret lairs when people still havent gotten their theros gods yet
@skykrow
@skykrow 4 жыл бұрын
Thats probably corona related. They still have a schedule to release products
@OnyxANZ
@OnyxANZ 4 жыл бұрын
@@skykrow The secret lair was available for purchase well before the virus hit. It was right after THB
@DVS57REBEL
@DVS57REBEL 4 жыл бұрын
@@Lock2002ful im going to cancel my secret "liars" order i have no patience in paying to wait on over priced money grab
@wikidclowne6891
@wikidclowne6891 4 жыл бұрын
Theros and international women's day did come out before covid hit, but how they manufactured it was the problem. All Secret lairs until Godzilla lands had the same plan, they pre printed a certain amount (let's say 100) and the first 100 were able to get theirs sent out immediately. Afterwards they would wait to see how many sold to print for demand, no extras. Unfortunately, the production/ shipment of Theros and IWD was hindered by covid, which is why people haven't got them yet. I ordered Theros later in the day for mine and am still waiting for it, but I ordered IWD as soon as they went on sale and have recieved it already. They changed Godzilla lands to no preprint (because of covid) so expect a bit of time to get those as well. I'm not mad about Theros since WotC has been keeping me in the loop about it so I know they haven't forgotten or misplaced my sale/info.
@user-uy3eq5hg1s
@user-uy3eq5hg1s 4 жыл бұрын
Yesss... I can feel the Timmy rage boiling within you. Embrace your anger... become your hatred!
@Phenest76
@Phenest76 4 жыл бұрын
Social distancing highlight: I just watched this guy's hair grow back... Also, I agree 100%.
@brettucker9695
@brettucker9695 4 жыл бұрын
One con I can think of with high price per pack is that it actually doesn't get Wizards the most money. A young Timmy with $20 to spend can only get one pack, and Wizards is missing out on $4 profit. Now imagine if he only had $10 to spend - they just lost all $10 of profit. If the packs were $10, or hell let's say $5, then he'll spend all his money because the individual unit price is low enough that he can spend exactly how much he wants. There have been multiple "expensive" sets in the past couple years that I thought were fun to draft, but I didn't draft as much as I would have because the buy-in for each session was just too high. Basically, the lower the cost of each booster, the more everyone will spend.
@petramaier9153
@petramaier9153 4 жыл бұрын
Not really. You are completely leaving out the most important aspect. Reprint equity. Sure, they could make more money on shit one set, but FUTURE sets would be harder to sell at high prices.
@WillEnj0y
@WillEnj0y 2 жыл бұрын
@@petramaier9153 not if they just print better and better cards. I guess we have to pick our poison. If magic purposely selectively reprints expensive powerful cards, then at least we don’t get very much power creep. If they decide to reprint all of the powerful cards at once, then they will have to make future sets better and better just to entice people to keep buying the new cards.
@rossf8616
@rossf8616 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly with the price of magic, I am tempted more and more to sell out all together.
@dalebird1482
@dalebird1482 4 жыл бұрын
Im tempted to sell a few commander decks and just buy a decent printer and some holo cardstock.
@_Dohoss
@_Dohoss 4 жыл бұрын
Prof, thanks for representing us “little guys”. I’m a fairly new player and frankly, I can’t afford any of these new “premium products”. I feel like I’m losing out on so much value of acquiring these great reprints or cards like the fetch lands that my commander decks really need. Every time I go to my LGS to play, all the older players who played when these cards where affordable seem be able to make their decks work and play much better than mine. It’s starting to get frustrating. It’s forced me to build budget decks, which work fine against other new players, but struggle against just about any veteran player/deck.
@wargh12
@wargh12 4 жыл бұрын
If you are playing EDH you should not be ashamed to play proxies. just make them look nice
@ronankelley7768
@ronankelley7768 4 жыл бұрын
Charles Ward and dont go overboard
@perchipy7900
@perchipy7900 4 жыл бұрын
Go proxy!
@wargh12
@wargh12 4 жыл бұрын
@@ronankelley7768 yeah proxying moxen or OG duals would be bad taste. Just be reasonable and proxy to get on the level of your playgroup not to overpower them
@souradeepgoswami4654
@souradeepgoswami4654 4 жыл бұрын
Play cEDH! We welcome any and all proxied (legal ofc) cards. Your wallet shouldn't restrict your ability to play a game.
@Cookiemunster779
@Cookiemunster779 4 жыл бұрын
When I heard the price of this set I immediately said that I'm almost done with magic it just feels like this pandemic is putting it into perspective for me, It feels good to jump onto youtube not even expecting to see anyone saying anything about it and happening upon your post thank you prof. for being real and standing up for what we believe in having a good time and playing games together, we can't do that when my friends can't afford the game.
@ianmason6446
@ianmason6446 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, essentially just EDH for me from here on out. I'm not buying more sealed product. Between this, the last price hike for the Masters set, Secret Lair fetches vs. Godzilla pricing, Wizards is showing their true colors. I'm on the singles train from now on which sucks because I always enjoyed getting a box and cracking packs with my friends.
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken 4 жыл бұрын
then dont buy the boxes. buy the cards you need. save yourself the money and hassle
@danielkuttel7867
@danielkuttel7867 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChickenMcThiccken That is exact the right way. Never ever buy a display of cards, if you need only 3-4 cards out of a complete set. Wait until the prices fall at the release when everyone want to sell and get your cards. I made the mistake with the mysterie Boxes. WHAT A VALUE....... NOT!!!!! After release i was soooo happy to get 50 $ Cards, only to watch that they loses worth in hours. Teferys Protection falled from 50 to 25, and many other cards to. Mana crypt from 100 to 70 and less. ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME. They now go up again, but it would be a mistake to buy a display only to get the top 3-4 cards out of a display.
@fe6990
@fe6990 4 жыл бұрын
yup, i could spend 300 bucks with a looming great recession 2.0 to upgrade my mono red prowess untill they ban lurrus in a months and then rotate the format with the next set. or i could play league of runeterra, have a tier 1 deck after a week of playing the game for free and maybe spend the equivalent of 1 double master pack on cosmetics in a month if i feel like it really an hard choice
@guybrushthreepwood8174
@guybrushthreepwood8174 4 жыл бұрын
I think they are hoping you get into Arena or mtgo.
@williamhager855
@williamhager855 4 жыл бұрын
I played MTG back in the 90’s and ( foolishly) sold my collection. Fast forward to Theros block and I’m playing again. Much to my surprise, WOTC created a fourth rarity ( mythic). At the time I was like “ what the heck” and quickly realized why. Then I started looking up the price of my collection that I sold. Once I regained consciousness, and saw the reserve list ( I have strong feelings on this list), I became even more aware of what was going on. I had a complete set of dual lands, the most expensive was $12. Right before Pioneer came out, there were targeted buyouts and it became clear: WOTC is in fact corrupt. They claim they don’t pay attention to the secondary market which is odd because why else would they feel justified charging a premium for cards that once were sold in a $3 pack? It’s almost like someone should take them to,court over market manipulation. While I do have disposable income, it won’t be going to this game until WOTC gets its head out of its collective asses
@luminous3558
@luminous3558 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah if you want a company that doesnt care about the secondary market look no further than konami with yugioh. If a useless card suddenly becomes meta relevant they reprint it in the next 6 months, expensive cards become affordable after a year or 2. Konami uses desirable cards to sell product because that makes sense for a company. Wotc does something extremely shady because on the surface their method does not benefit them but the collectors instead.
@koreannom
@koreannom 4 жыл бұрын
@@luminous3558 An even better example is Pokemon. Hell I don't even play the game and I appreciate what they're doing.
@Vynjira-chan
@Vynjira-chan 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly one of the negative impacts that often goes over-looked, has to do with ignoring poorer players who are the wide BASE.. that keeps your game alive/fresh. When people start leaving a game because the company has become too greedy and decides to only market the game to people with higher incomes.. those same people who spent massive amounts of money eventually stop spending money because there isn't anyone left to "get ahead of" which is often the reason they're spending so much to begin with. You have to strike some sort of balance. You can make way more money with a much wider net.. it may require more "effort" to strike such a balance, that you can keep the game alive for decades to come than a quick burn out to exploit the base you've built (on what use to be a fairly cheap game to get into).
@joeysewell2394
@joeysewell2394 4 жыл бұрын
The pricing for this box makes me a little worried for what they are going to do to Commander Legends.
@PlussGoodFun
@PlussGoodFun 4 жыл бұрын
Same, i had high hopes for CL until this came out
@moppichu
@moppichu 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, Blessed Serra... I can only imagine. = _ =
@kennethluhrs1157
@kennethluhrs1157 4 жыл бұрын
I really hope it won't be that expensive but wotc surely knows of commanders popularity and what some players are willing to pay for cards..
@imnotwadewilsonsee3656
@imnotwadewilsonsee3656 4 жыл бұрын
Joey Sewell completely agree. Imagine how much the commander decks are gonna be too.
@joeysewell2394
@joeysewell2394 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they said "its a good year to be a commander player" and its really starting to look more like a year for rich players.
@schrottinator
@schrottinator 4 жыл бұрын
I was honestly hyped for this product till I saw prices and realized I can't afford it. Well, yet another product that isn't for me if I understood WotC correctly.
@Lucasinbrawl
@Lucasinbrawl 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly the same for me. A shame.
@Small_Panda
@Small_Panda 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but as Seth said on Twitter when does this product isn't for you just become this game isn't for you. I know few and very little amount of people who have the disposable income to constantly to keep up with these sets. Prerelease is one of my favorite times but half of my friends can no longer afford half the prereleases in a year to constantly increasing prices.
@mikeharrison6518
@mikeharrison6518 4 жыл бұрын
I might need to find a more affordable hobby, like polo.
@christopherwilliams6848
@christopherwilliams6848 4 жыл бұрын
@@Small_Panda Same here. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford a prerelease for standard sets once every few months, but outside of that, the only engagement I really have with the game these days is playing Pauper. I can't keep up with Standard all the time, and I sure as shit can't go to premium set prereleases. I was hyped for Modern Horizons back when that came out, until I saw that prerelease was gonna cost me £50 (compared to £20/£25 for a normal one). It's ridiculous.
@alexmartin3433
@alexmartin3433 4 жыл бұрын
Because valuable reprints aren’t for you. I’ve never understood the thought process of not making reprints accessible, because that just means instead of buying product you seek those cards on the secondary market, and WOTC makes no money at all
@leedmcbride1307
@leedmcbride1307 4 жыл бұрын
Great argumentation! I’ve been playing since 1994, and I’ve never seen the overproduction of product and price gouging like I’ve seen in the last five years. I 100% agree with you! Well done!
@Plantains
@Plantains 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Prof, for advocating for players. I imagine posting something like this comes with a little fear, but it summarizes the exact feelings of many, many people that otherwise love this game. I played MtG as a kid, came back in 2018, happily dropped about $2 k catching up, and the ramp-up of exclusives and arbitrary prices in 2018-19 led to me dropping out of anything more serious than casual kitchen table games. My hobby money now goes toward Gundam kits, and Bandai just started making the rare stuff cheaper and more accessible to US customers. It’s great to give my money away and not feel taken advantage of! If Hasbro cared to treat us with respect, I’m ready to support MtG again.
@squee147
@squee147 4 жыл бұрын
Products like this make me increasingly OK using proxies. I have the money, but am tired of spending so much on this game. They are really abusing the secondary market.
@blondiwithstyle
@blondiwithstyle 4 жыл бұрын
I stopped playing standard and modern (which I used to play competitively on tours etc). The only reason I'm playing Pioneer is that it cost me 50 bucks while dissecting my modern deck. In other words: now I only play pauper, pioneer and proxied brawl with friends sometimes.
@federicorodriguez451
@federicorodriguez451 4 жыл бұрын
@@blondiwithstyle Question...Why not commander?
@Frog_Cat_
@Frog_Cat_ 4 жыл бұрын
Same. I'm tired of getting bent over for cardboard. Especially in times like these. For a fraction of the price, I can get proxies that are nearly identical for my EDH decks and Cube. The only reason I see to buy boxes is to draft.
@HairXX
@HairXX 4 жыл бұрын
How do you get decent trustworthy proxies? (in Europe) Idc if it say proxy on, I just can't afford a set of 4 x 10$ card. Especially if its lands...
@crh18
@crh18 4 жыл бұрын
HairXX try Aliexpress
@emyron1843
@emyron1843 4 жыл бұрын
I see these videos, and they honestly make me feel sick to my stomach... because you're right. I love this game, so damn much. When I was 15 years old and a Freshman in high school, well, I had been homeschooled until the 7th grade, so I had a total of two friends, and that is not a joke. I saw an MTG battle deck box at Toys R Us (this was back when they still existed) and I was intrigued by the art. That Monday, I was in the library getting a book when I noticed a whole crew of people sitting around and playing the same game I had noticed the other day. So... that weekend, I went ahead and bought the Eldrazi vs. Zendikar dual decks, and taught myself how to play. I walked into the library that next Monday with the Eldrazi half of my two new decks and said "who wants to play?" and I was immediately confronted by someone who not only wanted to play but was willing to help me learn more than I had been able to learn on my own. I know everyone in that room to this day, all of them my best friends. Looking at what WoTC has done and continue to do to this amazing game I adore, the same game that helped me find my best friends, it sickens me, because I know that sooner or later, someday, others won't be able to have the same experience I did. They won't be able to buy two decks for $25, have them fight each other and learn to play, and eventually, go to their LGS for their first game. They won't be able to buy a Standard Challenger Deck for $30 and just jump into the game for an FNM tourney or even just a friend. If I had seen those Dual decks for $50, or even $40 I can't say I would have bought the product, which means I most likely would have never found my love for the game, or, more importantly, never met the people I can honestly say feel like a second family to me... and the thought that WoTC is doing this for easy, upfront cash, it makes my blood boil, it makes me wish that one person would just stand up at one of their meetings and say it all out loud: It's "Magic: the Gathering," but the higher they raise the cost of this beloved game, the fewer people there will be Gathering around to play it.
@josiahconnors5888
@josiahconnors5888 4 жыл бұрын
This is very well written, thankyou for sharing.
@MakeVarahHappen
@MakeVarahHappen 4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of an old Extra Credit video about free-to-play MMOs. I haven't watched it in years but basically the response the team had when developers ask "how much content do you expect me to make for people who won't spend a cent on my game?" was "As much as you can. Because players are content." The same concept applies here. Players with and without disposable income are going to be playing the same game in the same locations. The more meaningful matches affluent players can have against their more frugal counterparts is the more investment they will have in Magic.
@ludosgd
@ludosgd 4 жыл бұрын
We've reaching the point of no return: the prof is advocating for $9.99 booster packs. I want my Battlebond prices back
@someweirddog868
@someweirddog868 4 жыл бұрын
No.. they are reprints... they SHOULD be the price of a standard set. "If they dont aknowledge the secondary market" why dont they make the standsrd booster box the same price as a Master set?
@nickwilliams5967
@nickwilliams5967 4 жыл бұрын
@@someweirddog868 this is the true question. The packs are based on the secondary market valuation of the cards inside. Its absurd.
@MrGameadd1ct
@MrGameadd1ct 4 жыл бұрын
@@nickwilliams5967 The secondary market "doesn't exist" though.
@terry4574
@terry4574 4 жыл бұрын
I can get why they might want to artificially inflate the price of a special reprint set if they wanted to preserve card values somewhat so as not to kill the collectors and resellers the game depends on, but that's not what's happening here. They are trying to reach economic equilibrium between supply and demand - finding the sweet spot that will generate the most revenue between retaining customers at an increased price. I'm betting they'll end up on the wrong side of the curve and back off eventually, but prices will still end up far higher than what we were used to.
@RealSovietDamage
@RealSovietDamage 4 жыл бұрын
"People will still buy it. And no, your boycott won't change that." Most of us agree with you, Professor. So the next question is: for a company seemingly interested in short term benefits over long term health of the game, how do we, the consumer, effect change?
@travisbewley7084
@travisbewley7084 4 жыл бұрын
Rather then promoting boycots just start promoting a culture where proxies for expensive cards are ok at most tables
@wargh12
@wargh12 4 жыл бұрын
Play with proxies. At least in EDH proxies should be a norm
@botchedjob2534
@botchedjob2534 4 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with you guys, but if proxies where to become fair game I fear that may hurt local card stores. Local shops need to have a scarcity of cards to be profitable and stay afloat. Though I could be wrong, but something like that combined with the recent market crash, idk.
@ronankelley7768
@ronankelley7768 4 жыл бұрын
Wicked One you can support your local game store in other ways. For example I buy food from them while I’m playing.
@Rambo33868
@Rambo33868 4 жыл бұрын
@@ronankelley7768 I only play EDH and I try to buy every single I need from my local store, BUT I'm not buying 10+ USD cards (poor country, poor local money to USD relation), so proxies for the expensive ones. Most of my decks are 30-50 USD total, so I buy the cards, I support the store, but no, I cannot buy a 300 USD box, and mainly because here it WILL cost around 600.
@cory7328
@cory7328 4 жыл бұрын
I love every video I have watch this far. From both a hobby aspect along with a business oriented aspect I get from it: Super informative on so many various facets of this game/hobby.
@charlesstampley5821
@charlesstampley5821 4 жыл бұрын
I can no longer in good faith continue to sponsor my high school's MTG club. I can't justify the prices involved for teenage players and I will not defend the company to parents who may be upset. Thanks for all the good times Prof!
@TheKnaeckebrot
@TheKnaeckebrot 4 жыл бұрын
get your Kids to play magic & they'll be to poor to buy drugs ... works out :/
@gwyneth2869
@gwyneth2869 4 жыл бұрын
Me: " hey I missed a few sets because life happened I miss mtg what's the new masters set like?" "Well I guess I'm missing this one too"
@ashfield4313
@ashfield4313 4 жыл бұрын
Me exactly.
@hellheaven11
@hellheaven11 4 жыл бұрын
Ta tout compris mademoiselle
@Vesturiate
@Vesturiate 4 жыл бұрын
Wizards either has to acknowledge the secondary market, and all the legal ramifications of it, or, explain why an entirely reprinted set with no new card design costs so much. No MSRP was a way to wipe their hands of acknowledging cards prices entirely, but an MSRP with set 9.99 per pack for “new art” reprints “masters sets” should be enough to maintain customers and profit largely. No MSRP has ruined magic for a lot of the players I know, including the person who taught me the game in college. They got tired of spending the cash to draft and even more tired of the “bleeding people dry” as you addressed. Great video Prof.
@CorruptionAura
@CorruptionAura 4 жыл бұрын
We need representatives savvy to this game that would help with that
@NuminorTheFool
@NuminorTheFool 4 жыл бұрын
At this stage there is more than enough evidence to get that particular ball rolling, with people like Maro answering on twitter that certain cards cannot be printed in lower priced sets, it is already clear that they fully acknowledge it but know full well the storm that would be, and likely will come, their way. All it would take is somebody reporting it to the right authority.
@drake11011
@drake11011 4 жыл бұрын
Well if they dont acknowledge the secondary market why was the fetch secret lair priced around the same as secondary market prices, drastically higher than other secret lairs. They added the big box and cases to justify the price increase... which is bullshit they should face the legal rammifications for that, or just print and sell for cheap since the secondary market doesnt exist for them...
@adam122352
@adam122352 4 жыл бұрын
If enough of the player base pushes on it and enough loud voices stand against it. Wizards will have no choice but to yield on this. Because legally they cannot acknowledge the secondary market, but their business practices clearly say that they are internally doing so. If enough people call them out and make a stink, they will be forced to fix it. They are a company, we vote with our wallets.
@hugoguerreiro1078
@hugoguerreiro1078 4 жыл бұрын
@@adam122352 "If enough of the player base pushes on it and enough loud voices stand against it. Wizards will have no choice but to yield on this. " They won't, they're good little whales who will keep consuming and supporting these business practices. They're more likely to complain if cards get cheaper because "my collection will lose value". This is not a joke, I've heard this argument multiple times whenever I say cards should be cheaper like in other card games. I've lost faith with MtG players.
@VolkaiV
@VolkaiV 4 жыл бұрын
You've earned my respect from this video. Fluent, valid points, and from the heart. Got yourself a subscribe, it's deserved.
@mhunt300
@mhunt300 4 жыл бұрын
Well said! This is why you're my favorite Magic KZfaqr. Honest, thoughtful, and kind. Keep up the great work Professor
@camus8x
@camus8x 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for voicing us prof! I had to quit magic due to its cost alone. We in South America struggle to play, and if the prices keep hiking, our communities will wane. I know most people won't care, but you do. THANK YOU!
@karenwest6350
@karenwest6350 4 жыл бұрын
Double Masters is a really hype-filled and exciting set, probably with a nice draft environment, that I wont be able to experience because $15 a booster pack are you kidding me?! If I wanna do a winston draft that's $90 for one night and a few hours of fun for two people, that's kinda ridiculous. This is a very nice way of enriching the supplies of cards for players who probably already had the $$$ to buy them at their higher prices.
@juliogouvea2695
@juliogouvea2695 4 жыл бұрын
I love playing Winston with my wife, we have a cube for that but its pretty hard because the only way i get cards is by striving super hard to earn prizes on prereleases, but i can only afford standard prereleases because of the risk of the super high price of the non-standard Editions. My cube have a Power level problem because of that, i need to look out for bulks for modern horizons and stuff like that to have commons that are not too weak. Already feels sad to know how hard it will be to get these double masters commons and uncommons...
@muffinsmcgeez4899
@muffinsmcgeez4899 4 жыл бұрын
I know, they'll cost $25 minimum here. Not like I'm too fussed, I hate the new art/full art stuff, everything just looks so lame now. It looks like all their art is done with software now, everythings hyper-generic and cartoony. Their art use to have that clear hand-drawn vibe, like it was cut right out of some ancient tome on demonology.. now, Jesus, Pokemon probably has edgier artwork.
@ngsm10
@ngsm10 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry but I think you are overlooking the price of singles. Being myself a cost-savy player I would never buy a booster pack, the cost sensitive approach is to go straight to the singles you need in the open market. As most people use this approach to build decks for playing (as opposed as building a collection, where buying boosters is fair enough), the benefit for less wealthy players can be huge if the price of singles is reduced, regardless of how much is the price of a booster.
@Jeanellemylove
@Jeanellemylove 4 жыл бұрын
Gonna be money pick at 90 buck...no fun
@isaiahtakahashi5741
@isaiahtakahashi5741 4 жыл бұрын
@@ngsm10 I agree with this logic. Wouldn't the release of Double Masters result in the prices of singles going down? If so, this would make the game more accessible for all.
@jesusplaysgames9951
@jesusplaysgames9951 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man. Thanks for the information and your input into the game that we all love.
@ControlLingOo
@ControlLingOo 4 жыл бұрын
300$ for a booster box ... When I was younger I always thought a Yugioh booster box for 100$ is already exorbitant for what you get (which is a box of printed cardboard) and felt unacchievable as a kid ... but this ... 300$ for a gamble box ... 300$ for a box of semirandom cards ... How should the younger starter generation of kids come into the hobby when you lock the best content behind these prices ... For this ammount of money you can buy whole smartphones, laptops, TV's, collections of board games, video game consoles+ games... and kids/teenagers will rather buy these things from their cash ...
@Raaanch
@Raaanch 4 жыл бұрын
The first time I heard the “double masters” name, first thing I thought was “at double the price”
@jasonbolding3481
@jasonbolding3481 4 жыл бұрын
That's a given for master's period. I'm under the opinion there is no reason for master sets to be more expensive than advance sets in the first place
@HarryPotter738
@HarryPotter738 4 жыл бұрын
double DOUBLE the price!
@djs5947
@djs5947 4 жыл бұрын
next time it will be triple masters for 30 per pack
@bobby45825
@bobby45825 4 жыл бұрын
@@jasonbolding3481 At some point, somebody is going to have to drag wizards into court and make them reveal the information they use to price their products. I'm certain if they don't comply, they'll get labeled as a gambling company.
@Tsuna_SoulSilver
@Tsuna_SoulSilver 4 жыл бұрын
For me it's double the Tree of Redemption
@highroller5335
@highroller5335 4 жыл бұрын
I have my old commander deck that i haven't updated since war of the spark. The secret lairs look cool, i can't afford them, double masters looks neat, definitely can't afford it. Never played unsanctioned. I just.. there's too much. There's already too much to keep up with and half of it is waaay to expensive and i can't play magic anymore. At least not with anything new.
@robbnoble1509
@robbnoble1509 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I love premium products, but in moderation. When they pump so many out in rapid succession, not only does it cause wallet fatigue, ut it makes these premium products seem less special, and less worth buying.
@StarDoesntUpload
@StarDoesntUpload 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, same. Just play commander with your deck, and buy the singles you need. That's the best, cheapest way to enjoy the game IMO. Plus, double masters still benefits you even if you can't go out and draft it, by lowering the cost of these older cards through reprints.
@lunao17
@lunao17 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. They have been pushing out way too many products lately
@trowawayacc
@trowawayacc 4 жыл бұрын
Buy singles. You pay a lot but if you buy with a goal you will enjoy it more.
@jamu8060
@jamu8060 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly its time to just proxy and proxy well enough for the words to look nice enough to read.
@chrisadriatico2156
@chrisadriatico2156 4 жыл бұрын
Prof thank you so much for these types of videos. We need someone to point these kinds of things out. The price gouging that has been going in the last couple of years is ridiculous.
@eluherrahaz1165
@eluherrahaz1165 4 жыл бұрын
Me and my friends stopped a while ago buying new wotc products. (one exception, we bought mysterys for the local store support) Instead we started playing and building standard decks from all the old sets. Like the invasion block or lorwyn. Man we never had that much fun playin magic.
@TylerHyperFace
@TylerHyperFace 4 жыл бұрын
Man, as a newer player (around 2 years ago) the consensus I've been seeing first hand is that Hasbro is making poor decisions, and, yes, I've spent liberally on a few big upgrades, but Proxies are legit becoming my go-to. I refuse to pay $40 and more for singles, and it's killing the entry-level for all new players that would LIKE to take the game seriously. Talk about "pay-to-play"
@sithdragon3333
@sithdragon3333 4 жыл бұрын
Proxy magic is the future for the 99% of players.
@angelthemute1670
@angelthemute1670 4 жыл бұрын
If you're not playing in an official WotC event, there's literally no reason to not use proxies. I urge everyone I play EDH with to just proxy EVERYTHING. If it hurts WotC's bottom line, great! It's the only way to vote with your wallet. Not buying cards isn't enough. Whales will always overshadow that. If you're playing casually with just your friends, please, PLEASE, consider proxying all your cards. It costs you nearly nothing and is much healthier than dropping literal hundreds of dollars on cards.
@TheMCGamer2012
@TheMCGamer2012 4 жыл бұрын
@@angelthemute1670 I disagree, please do not support proxies that intend to fool others or imitate real MTG cards. Sharpie proxies and printer proxies in a sleeve are fine! :)
@necrocreature9117
@necrocreature9117 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMCGamer2012 "If you're not playing in an official WotC event," I don't think that's what they're saying. They're talking about casually playing with your friends. Hell, if they want their proxies to look like real Magic cards, I don't see any problem with it as long as there isn't any attempt to play them off as the real thing.
@nickwilliams5967
@nickwilliams5967 4 жыл бұрын
@@sithdragon3333 as someone who has played EDH for years, proxies are the way now. Its gross just looking at my old deck's values on TCGplayer from years ago. The fact that their prices have risen so much is alarming.
@keenannaugle9714
@keenannaugle9714 4 жыл бұрын
Prof, I want to thank you for making these videos and for being a voice for all us. I watch every one of your videos, but have never commented. The crassness with which they have raised these prices, and the way you made so incredibly, sickeningly clear with the Battlebond example, really drives home the contempt that WotC (Hasbro) seems to have for their consumers. Keep fighting the good fight Professor, keep saying it and they will listen.
@jjanjell
@jjanjell 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you keep it real, I can;t even keep up with all the different prices on everything
@ryansalmon6507
@ryansalmon6507 4 жыл бұрын
I quit magic yesterday. I deleted arena, sold all my cards... I can’t keep up with the cost anymore.
@martl8615
@martl8615 4 жыл бұрын
I'm building a cube and making 1 modern deck for that exact reason.
@Andrew-xd9xd
@Andrew-xd9xd 4 жыл бұрын
i played standard but i’m just going to make a commander deck now
@SniperGoldfish
@SniperGoldfish 4 жыл бұрын
I did this and after some time I definitely did find myself regretting it.
@codyadkins2692
@codyadkins2692 4 жыл бұрын
Arena isn't a scam yet
@bushwookie357
@bushwookie357 4 жыл бұрын
I’m literally about to stop buying anything because of wizards hypocrisy.
@villainx91
@villainx91 4 жыл бұрын
No no, just buy singles, from non WotC places, maybe even tcgplayer buy individuals, and dont ever buy boosters again, atleast, until something is done. its the best way to get what you want, and definitely cheaper
@dpatten
@dpatten 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve stopped buying anything “sealed” since the Mythic Edition fiascos. They have not and will not get any of my discretionary monies until I perceive that the problems at large have been rectified.
@bushwookie357
@bushwookie357 4 жыл бұрын
I meant buying sealed products, I still buy my singles from shops and online. I’m done supporting their overpriced products when all this should be the same price as standard boxes.
@dpatten
@dpatten 4 жыл бұрын
TheBigGSN5 LOL Yeah, I’ve not bought “new” singles either as they’re directly related. Frees up money to support the artists directly for prints and accessories. Never a bad way to reallocate MTG hobby dollars.
@mrconroy4672
@mrconroy4672 4 жыл бұрын
I’d say that’s probably a good thing. I probably buy a few packs or so to collect and call it quits
@whosilence
@whosilence 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this was necessary after that disappointing interview with Gavin a couple months back. Thing is, Wizards does perceive the whole game's card pool (every card out there, literally) in terms of net worth. Their operation is always focused in increasing the value of the whole pool, as that is "the value of the game", which is essentially their property. It is an indicator of how much the game is worth, marketwise. Therefore, there is no interest in devaluing it; that's why reprint sets are always expensive and borderline unaccessible. It's been a pay to win game for a long time now, but as more people play it, the worse it gets. Half my playgroup left the game in the past 3 years, all because of the same reason: price. And that is the saddest thing. Nowadays I just keep up because I love the game, love having the decks and thinking and building; but I almost don't play it anymore. I goldfish a lot, though.
@hugoguerreiro1078
@hugoguerreiro1078 4 жыл бұрын
Players do the same, they complain if you reprint cards at accessible prices because "my collection will lose value". Just look at why the reserve list was created. This is the future MtG players chose.
@greyborg3846
@greyborg3846 4 жыл бұрын
I essentially play the game in a one to two year time lapse. I always have to wait until cards depreciate in value before I even think about adding those cards to my decks.
@bdellovibrioo5242
@bdellovibrioo5242 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your eloquent explanation of this subject.
@MythrilShotgun
@MythrilShotgun 4 жыл бұрын
It's always funny that the people that argue with me at LGS are the ones who buy 6 boxes on release of any given set, or do shell out for Master's each time, sometimes multiple. Their argument usually boils down to, "I can make a deck work that costs $25 or less, so magic isn't pay to win!" Well, yeah, *you* can, because you have access to all of those cards at the ready. Half the time if I want to do that, it requires a niche card the LGS isn't promoting on the front of their display, cuz it's a cheapo card, and they don't bother restocking it in their inventory, cuz it's a cheapo card. And nobody has it available for trade, so YOU have access to the card, cuz you have 2.5 playsets of it by now, but unless I get it shipped at a markup from online retailers, I'm not getting that $25 deck. My *usual* response is, "Can you improve the deck at all? Is it perfect?" and invariably, they can think of a more expensive card that will make that deck better. Yet still they somehow don't see that as pay to win.
@SirPream
@SirPream 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty much same. I like brewing up decks and making interesting interactions with cards, but I dont want to go broke on these products. Commander products is starting to become out of reach for non-dedicated players, and anything with reprints is usually overpriced. I dont mind buying some booster packs here and there and if I can afford it a Commander deck or Booster box if finances are looking good, but most of the time I just look around in my old cards and see what I can make rather than making large purchases.
@joshuajones8843
@joshuajones8843 4 жыл бұрын
Way off topic.. but I got a little too excited when I noticed the Death's Gate Cycle books on your shelf. Great and accurate video. Thank you for your continued dedication to keeping things grounded and honest.
@BaliandDarkWolf
@BaliandDarkWolf 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Professor , I'm actually a new player (I started 3 months ago), And the immediate thing I noticed was the fact that Magic keeps getting more and more expensive, I don't have the option to use my old collection (Because i don't have one). What Wizards is doing is actually a deturrant for me, I don't want to try the majority of formats because they are really expensive . I decided to be a Commander player only but now EVEN THAT is expensive (See what happen with Commander Decks 2020)
@danumd87
@danumd87 4 жыл бұрын
Prof nailed this. Even tho I have the disposable income I don’t want to try and keep up with this. Been playing for 25 years and love this game. But upon realizing I spent $900 on mystery boosters (and got my first six boxes at a steal of 100 each) I had to reflect and decide if this was worth it. They’re spamming us with so many products that I decided against buying ANY ikoria. I bought zero of a standard set. That’s insane! But I can’t rationalize trying to buy what I want anymore, especially with design being so bad that things will get banned left and right. When I thought this product would be $10/pack which is admittedly still expensive, I was hyped af for this product. But at $16 they can keep it. I’ve spent too many hundreds of dollars on trash masters sets to do this again. Wotc, finding a way to drive out consumers with 100k salaries one guy at a time. I feel really badly for your “poor” people making only 60k. Peasants. Fu Wotc
@kendelia9609
@kendelia9609 4 жыл бұрын
I just got my second mystery booster box and pulled none of the like 30 cards I wanted in it. Did have fun drafting it. But feeling the financial sting. Then I see this and the secret lair revealed. It's time to just save up for a new printer.
@DraygaFlight
@DraygaFlight 4 жыл бұрын
I got 4 boxes for about 140 ea (so about the same price range) and was THRILLED with what I got. but spending 300-400 for a single box, is just a hard no! not even with the double box toppers (since thats at best another 100 in value) I even made some of the best pulls in my boxes (a Mana Crypt, 2 Tutors, 2 Hivelords, and more)
@danumd87
@danumd87 4 жыл бұрын
@@DraygaFlight I can't complain as I got 8 boxes for $900 and got 3 crypts and playsets of some decent mythics and $ uncommons. But I got zero Tutors...so painful lol
@Harv88
@Harv88 4 жыл бұрын
@DANUMD87, how would you feel about a guy who is only making 15k per year being medically disabled and I can't afford paper at all. I'm trying to afford and play Arena however that games structures are just as bad as this upcoming masters set. A full collection per set on Arena everything x4 except the mythics requires about 300 packs opened. Packs are $1, so thats $300 a set. Now u can grind a collection by Drafting, however I'm not good enough yet to go "infinite" however atm Id be spending $100 per set on 20k gems to then have to grind Drafts and put time in to get the collection I want. For me 20k gems for $100 is really bad value for me to then still have to grind games, the gems run out and you do have to rebuy. So Arena is flawed in that sense for the average player, also at these rates for gems/ cost it makes MTG Arena more expensive than any video game or PC game on the market. Whenever I get into conversations about the game economy, the majority of people defend WOTC, defend the game, defend the costs/rewards structures and then every single person goes " Well the game is F2P, you don't have to spend money", "If you don't like the price then Magic is not a game for you". "If you don't like the structures of the game then don't play the game". That is the community and player attitude I see online. My Point being a game is suppose to be affordable for everyone yet so many players of this community imo feel that with money comes power and power gets them wins or a higher status in the community and they don't care about their fellow players.
@MrHamsterpudding
@MrHamsterpudding 4 жыл бұрын
I bought the Ikoria set as it had the new mechanic and a lot of big dumb creatures (which I love). The Commander sets are pretty cool too, but I don't buy them all. I can't afford double masters - it's like me working an additional 2 shifts at work for one box of cardboard.
@jariel2568
@jariel2568 4 жыл бұрын
I'm thirteen and these products are cutting me off from the game I just want to play. Edit: thanks so much everyone for the advice I really appreciate it. The magic community is so helpful and kind and no matter what happens with products it is amazing knowing that so many play and I'm so happy knowing that the game I love has such a great playerbas
@Matthew-Fair
@Matthew-Fair 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, if you want to enjoy Magic in a way that doesn't cost anything but having internet and a computer, you can try Cockatrice. It's a free launch site with up to date Magic cards and products, you can play everything and anything, and do it all online with either friends or other people using it. It's a good way to enjoy Magic without all the wallet drain
@OGNoNameNobody
@OGNoNameNobody 4 жыл бұрын
Or just print your own cards. The only thing you have to buy is label sheets and a top-tier printer.
@abbyshore9953
@abbyshore9953 4 жыл бұрын
I assume most of your friends are around your age, so you should just ask them if they'd be okay with proxies. Just make sure to support your local game store any way you can (when it's safe to do so, of course).
@FrostiKing
@FrostiKing 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah you can print your own cards there are sites for it, just for the price of opaque sleeves you can print them out, put jank in, or a land and put the printed out card infront of it. I do it with a few decks just don't use them officially and let your friends know your doing it cause you can't afford the cards.
@BBradshawProductions
@BBradshawProductions 4 жыл бұрын
Play Mtg Arena online. Paper Magic is garbage, you don't want to go to hobby shops and get coronavirus.
@trumpetperson11
@trumpetperson11 4 жыл бұрын
This is why I am so glad I picked up a mystery booster box. I almost never buy boxes, but I saw a set with massive value, that was fun to play, and a low msrp. I knew it might never happen again.
@nicholasstavash7880
@nicholasstavash7880 4 жыл бұрын
Pokémon: standard prices are too high, we need to reprint cards so more people can play the game and be happy WoTc: sToP BeInG pOoR lMaO 🤣
@orr4337
@orr4337 3 жыл бұрын
Not just "stop being poor" but "stop not being rich, bro"
@OIkominfaccia
@OIkominfaccia 4 жыл бұрын
Intelligence is understanding that no matter how high the price, your customers will buy your products. Wisdom is not charging 16 dollars per pack.
@Алрик
@Алрик 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, charge 19.99 next time instead :-(
@PreviewAvailable
@PreviewAvailable 4 жыл бұрын
that implies wotc has either
@felipearias5622
@felipearias5622 4 жыл бұрын
Charisma is being able to justify the price increase to the public
@jek__
@jek__ 4 жыл бұрын
Wisdom is understanding that if your product keeps selling out, you should make more product, not up the price
@Pacier
@Pacier 4 жыл бұрын
Oh man the Nintendo Switch comparison got me, hadn't put that together - YEESH
@Will-I-Am464
@Will-I-Am464 4 жыл бұрын
I dont recommend my friends to get into magic anymore without telling them the prices and they scoop before even have a deck to play.
@tclark3514
@tclark3514 4 жыл бұрын
I have given all of my bulk cards to new players so they could get interested in the game, with the caveat that they won’t be able to afford buying or playing in most sanctioned events because of price of cards. I feel bad for them because they want to play and can’t afford it on a meager budget. Pauper or low level commander is their best bet.
@Will-I-Am464
@Will-I-Am464 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully with the continued printing of show case cards, It will keep the regular cards cheaper since the "whales" have more money and want for the special cards instead of the regular ones.
@icemonitorlizard
@icemonitorlizard 4 жыл бұрын
13:12 that line honestly hit me in the feels
@twofaced4135
@twofaced4135 4 жыл бұрын
This set really got me excited and I was ready to buy my 1st booster box. Hearing the price, as a new player and a student, I just cant justify it.
@spootyfly412
@spootyfly412 4 жыл бұрын
Wizards: "Don't you guys have p̶h̶o̶n̶e̶s̶ money?"
@emathias5
@emathias5 4 жыл бұрын
Re appropriated Blizzard event kerfuffle turned to Hasbro motto?
@CalastantNight
@CalastantNight 4 жыл бұрын
WOTC's customers consistently prove that yes, they DO in fact have money and are willing to spend rather large portions of it on MTG.
@Voldenmist
@Voldenmist 4 жыл бұрын
MTG is quickly becoming the game that "isn't for me."
@SonofSethoitae
@SonofSethoitae 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it seems like more and more products are "not for the average player." Surely WOTC realizes that telling people that most products are not for them will result in fewer people picking up the game
@dandemaio2329
@dandemaio2329 4 жыл бұрын
I love MTG, played as a middle schooler and now I'm 30. Although I took a break for years I went hard the past year. I was buying Ultimate, Eternal, Modern, and Masters 25 boxes like they were going out of style. I enjoyed cracking the packs and getting an awesome card, but within a few months I noticed a pattern that turned me away from Magic. Although I play, I'm also a big collector. Box toppers, foils, graded cards, etc are all great in my eyes. Furthermore, I would actually use a lot of Master's set cards in my modern decks. I was temporarily content with price point vs. the average value of a box's content until months later, when I realized how volatile prices were, thanks for WOTC undermining their own product. That $200 Mana Crypt I just got from Eternal Masters? That helped justify my absurd purchase of a booster box for $350. But now that card is $120, thanks for another reprint shortly after. So those who collect take a lose bc of WOTC aggressive and greedy reprint policy. Fine. We live with it and move on. Now, only MONTHS later, it gets REPRINTED again in another absurdly expensive set. So now you're $200 collectible "feel good" card is less than half. This is only ONE example. I can go on and on, such as myself building a $1,200 modern deck to have core cards replaced every few months because WOTC is literally forcing new product down our throats, inevitably updating the meta. So now all the time and money I put into customizing, foiling, caring, etc. about my new deck is reversed, and I have to modify it again, and again, and again. WOTC this is not a good look. I used to throw thousands into your company but once I snapped out of it, I realized your corporate greed has taken away from the meaning of the game. I hope more people realize this and stop purchasing your redundant new product, you cheap pricks.
@NightOfCrystals
@NightOfCrystals 4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t been as hardcore as you, but I spent 9 months building a $1,200 modern deck... only for the meta to get completely disrupted and for my deck to have somewhat limited relevance. I got to play Modern for about 3 months, and yeah. Not happy. Thinking about selling my deck.
@zacharytueller7210
@zacharytueller7210 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, people who really care about having their cards retain value are one of the worst nuisances on the game. However, that's what foil full-arts, old stupidly powerful cards, and the reserved list are for -- which includes Crypt. I understand being a little mad about the price drop on a great old card that nobody really needs, unless you're playing vintage(I'd have been slightly upset if it were about fetchlands tho. Keep the fetches down). And seriously, I agree -- they could make so much more money just printing the powerful cards. Literally everyone wants fetches/shocks/FoW/other super powerful staples. So why is it so hard to print them into oblivion while also filling the market with super fancy art versions? I mean, people would still pay hundreds for a really nice looking Sol Ring, and its normal price is $3!
@DevineAbyss
@DevineAbyss 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry to say this but YOU and people LIKE YOU are the problem. Normal players have to think before buying a 100$ set of cardboard with their left over income. Of course wizards of the coast doesn't care enough to lose normal players and their 100$ when people like you buy stuff for 25*200=5000$. The whales is what makes it seem lucrative for WotC to raise prices like that. Additionally you even go one step further and complain about the price-drop of the cards you bought for 5000$. You want them to stop reprinting needed cards or at least put them into more expensive product to keep your value. This is cancerous for the state of the game. We should not support this newfound greed WotC dives into. The more we support and reward WotC for their bussiness model the more they feel encouraged to reprint expensive cards sparingly and in overpriced products. This pushes people out of the game, who just cannot afford anything close to this. And then we have noone left to play with and the only thing to do with our cards will be looking at them. DO NOT support this greedy pricing. If we, the customers, do not teach them that this is not ok, who will? If they learn it the hard way, after most normal folks were pushed out of the game years ago, the game will already be dead and nothing will be left to be salvaged. Buy normal priced booster boxes with 36 packs for 80-100$. Don't support their madness with 5 cards for 200$ or 12 packs for 400$. This is insane. I would go as far as saying: Every needed game piece in a deck should AT MOST cost 10-20$ per card. Standard cards should at most cost 10$ while they are in print, because most of them will become worthless after rotation. The only cards more expensive than that should be promos, foils and other visual varieties of those cards. Buying cards worth 60$ for your decks should be optional bling and not give you an gameplay advantage. Yes, I could technically buy their overpriced sets regularly, but I would feel ashamed for supporting those bussiness decisions and what it does to the playerbase.
@garbageoracle8753
@garbageoracle8753 4 жыл бұрын
13 year old here I’ve been playing since I was 7. I can only make so much babysitting I’m constantly being priced out. I used to be able to play at my LGS but now I can’t as I can’t afford to even buy staples in modern, my format of choice.
@robbnoble1509
@robbnoble1509 4 жыл бұрын
I feel you. When i was 14, i had to quit the game due to pricing and stopped playing until i picked it up again in my 20s. And that was 2004. Things are 10 times worse now.
@MINECRAFT-uu8zp
@MINECRAFT-uu8zp 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m 13 too and my dad has an lgs and he lets me earn money by helping out but I can’t afford to keep up with all the new products. I’m about to just walk away from the game.
@neonone5190
@neonone5190 4 жыл бұрын
This, and the comments to this post, is what WotC doesn't seem to see. They are LOSING players by constantly raising prices, which makes the price of entry higher. Nobody wants to make a deck with cheap cards, because they are just going to get steamrolled by just slightly more expensive cards, not to mention high end decks.
@EmpyrealEndemic
@EmpyrealEndemic 4 жыл бұрын
Tbh constructed is such a rip-off IMO. If you like draft a little that's the best way to get any cards. And the best way to learn good play mechanics.
@chalkskeleton3653
@chalkskeleton3653 4 жыл бұрын
I recently made a 17 dollar (card kingdom prices) deck and I was proud of it because I play a lot with someone who has good decks didn’t want to play against it. Being told it’s worth is likely less than a booster really sucks, no matter what booster it is. Plus, they could’ve made boxes and boosters double price just to stick with theme of the set, but it feels like they don’t care.
@KingMathoro
@KingMathoro 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this scares me. I already have lost a lot of friends to play with due to Magic's price point. They can't afford it and I completely understand. They want to upgrade their decks and make new ones but can't. It's sad.
@VOID-GRIMM_Sinn
@VOID-GRIMM_Sinn 4 жыл бұрын
Same dude. I try play with my bro but he gets bored coz he only has one deck and played with it for a year
@SporePunch
@SporePunch 4 жыл бұрын
This is why I don't play anymore. I will stubbornly f2p Arena in an attempt to enjoy MTG but I can't justify spending money on this game with obscenely expensive product
@TheMCGamer2012
@TheMCGamer2012 4 жыл бұрын
May I ask how long have you played Magic?
@Last_Resort991
@Last_Resort991 4 жыл бұрын
16,30$ for 15 paper cards, none of which they needed to put any research or playtesting in because they are only reprints. Magic players are really the worst suckers.
@nickwilliams5967
@nickwilliams5967 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. EDH used to be a huge part of my life and I spent a lot of money but got a lot for it. Now I only play with a few friends, and when I do I print expensive stuff because I can no longer justify the prices.
@Zenith8924
@Zenith8924 4 жыл бұрын
I just love Mark Rosewater's response when asked about the increasing prices. Not all products are for everyone... Why not? Why arent all products for everyone? So many players i have talked to are on the verge of quitting or have quit because of the increasing prices and the massive amount of products being pushed out. Not too mention the stupid amount of alternate arts and box toppers. Yeah they were cool at first but a lot of people i have spoken to just want magic cards again, not these cards that can be mistaken for a different game at a glance. I agree that as a company they are in it to make money. But they can be there to make money and make their player base happy and not run them dry. Yeah we have 0 obligation to purchase products. But at that point what is the point of playing? Personally, I just want magic back, i love this game it means a lot to me and tons of others of course, but when their greed starts ruining the game it makes it difficult wanting to stay any longer.
@DavidDoncheck
@DavidDoncheck 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, Professor. As always I come to your channel to hear a reasoned and researched arguments. Regardless of whether I ultimately end up agreeing with your conclusion, I always come out better informed and challenged to make better arguments for my own views. It's a valuable service and I appreciate it. I was very surprised in this particular video, because I saw something I almost never see from you - what I felt to be a misunderstanding or perhaps a misrepresentation of the facts. This does not diminish my respect for your work, as I've seen enough of you to assume this was either an honest oversight or done deliberately with good intention. That is why it is my hope you may see and even respond to this comment. You focus on the price of $16.30 per booster. And yes, bizarrely, Wizards did put that price up on Amazon for a single pack. However at the same time, "Draft Packs" of 3 boosters were listed at $35 (or ~11.66 per pack) and "Booster Box" for $299.99 (or ~12.50 per pack, with 2 free box toppers). Given the "double everything" theme or rares, foils, even box toppers, I don't think double the price is actually unreasonable at all - which would put it in the $8-10 per pack range. Now yes, there is still a gap between $8-10 range and the $11.66-12.50 range. I think there is still a fair point to be made there about increasing cost to the consumer. But why fixate on the 16.30 price for a single pack when (one can hope) almost nobody would buy this "special/premium/double" set 1 pack at a time?
@briankohlman227
@briankohlman227 4 жыл бұрын
Phenomenally articulated, Bravo and couldn't agree more.
@bryanluna7503
@bryanluna7503 4 жыл бұрын
Most certainly agree. Professor, keep doing what do. We appreciate your opinion. Thank you
@TheMCGamer2012
@TheMCGamer2012 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, I am almost at the point of not disagreeing more
@SwingingLethal
@SwingingLethal 4 жыл бұрын
Always fun to watch
@gamerboyowen3421
@gamerboyowen3421 4 жыл бұрын
Brian Kohlman yes
@LoaphMeat
@LoaphMeat 4 жыл бұрын
"Maybe this product isn't for you!" Well, this product would be for me if I could afford it :)
@tryggverunberg2983
@tryggverunberg2983 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@davidengkent7756
@davidengkent7756 4 жыл бұрын
Precisely. I like to draft, I like to play magic ... so this isn't for me just because I can't justify that cost?
@lalogarcia5746
@lalogarcia5746 4 жыл бұрын
100% agreed. Best regards from a small city and mtg community in Mexico.
@zkyz5437
@zkyz5437 4 жыл бұрын
Congrats Professor !!!! It's all about now, it seems that they rather Short Term High profit with disenfranchized players soon, instead a steady Long Term Low to Mid profit but with a loyal consumer base. Let's see how far this goes.
@YrittaisitEdes
@YrittaisitEdes 4 жыл бұрын
watch the Maro quote come out: "It's not designned for you."
@TheStalk
@TheStalk 4 жыл бұрын
At this point it feels like no product is made for me according to Wizards.
@smore2096
@smore2096 4 жыл бұрын
"It's not for you because you can't afford it." - Hasbro Lawyer, probably
@wargh12
@wargh12 4 жыл бұрын
MaRo also claims that magic is inclusive for everyone v0v I guess everyone but not well off people
@smore2096
@smore2096 4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention by having less packs and a more expensive box they are playing a very dangerous legal game. I honestly would not be surprised if someone filled a lawsuit against them and they won
@Adrianovaz2007
@Adrianovaz2007 4 жыл бұрын
I want to screenshot this and shoot questions at him on Blogatog to see how long till he says that.
@jaggededge11
@jaggededge11 4 жыл бұрын
"You can't pull a $.50 rare if you don't believe in the secondary market" -WotC (Probably)
@firefly11101
@firefly11101 4 жыл бұрын
“But also take a look at 5 fetches for $400. Also, look how big the box is”
@KingBobXVI
@KingBobXVI 4 жыл бұрын
"if you don't believe in the secondary market" This point is so tired and annoying - WotC has never said "we aren't aware the secondary market exists", so pretending like it's some huge gotcha every time they release... any product is just silly. You didn't "catch them" "admitting the secondary market exists". They know, they've never said they didn't know, and they've acknowledged it before. What they _can't_ do is just say things like, "this pack has a %3 chance of containing a $100 card", because if they did, it would explicitly make it gambling in the eyes of governments who would ban the game or restrict sales.
@ianmason6446
@ianmason6446 4 жыл бұрын
@@KingBobXVI Of course they know there's a secondary market, that's not the point. Why are 5 fetch lands individually selling for 400$? Because of the secondary market. Wizards dropped MSRP so these ridiculous prices could happen. I hope for the game's sake that the whales Wizards seems to intent on snagging can prop this game up for other players. I was someone that this premium content was probably designed for but even I have reached my limit with this crap.
@Aedi
@Aedi 4 жыл бұрын
@@firefly11101 $375 of that is for the box, clearly
@rev949
@rev949 4 жыл бұрын
@@firefly11101 And they're foiled so they look more like tubes rather than cards.
@bohneneintopf
@bohneneintopf 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Professor, I listened to Drive to Work with Mark Rosewater. It was really nice and I liked the story with Andy and your local game store
@m.bmcginnis9733
@m.bmcginnis9733 4 жыл бұрын
Great work keep up the content your a voice for the small guy!
@laurent5367
@laurent5367 4 жыл бұрын
One additional point: I spent around 1K in the past month between Ikoria and Mystery. I have the means. A close friend with whom I play often with is really struggling financially and can barely buy booster packs. If the price goes that high he won't and shouldn't buy any. And he will in time stop, meaning we'll be down to 3 players and we will also eventually stop. That choice is plain stupid... the only 2 reasons this price is so high is profit and avoiding to mess with card prices and alienate hoarders...
@Nitemice
@Nitemice 4 жыл бұрын
@Corpsefoot Gaming Better still, use an online tabletop simulator, then you don't even need to print anything! Plus, you can play with friends that are far away, which is a big problem at the moment.
@0QanonymousQ0
@0QanonymousQ0 4 жыл бұрын
Proxies for the win. Talk to your playgroup and establish what you feel to be acceptable to proxy to avoid things feeling unfair in your setting. A good way of doing this can be with a phantom budget. So say 500 dollar limit on value of the deck excluding lands. Proxy as many of those cards as you want but stick to the budget to keep the format feeling level
@MintyMagicMTG
@MintyMagicMTG 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the Prof here and OP, but I would say to make a jank deck. I watch Quest for the Janklord and have been on a jank kick. Could keep your buddy in the game. Same with watching Commander’s Quarters.
@Aedi
@Aedi 4 жыл бұрын
mm, losing 1 player isn't just losing 1 player, it's losing the positive impact that player put into the game too
@wtfihavetoregister
@wtfihavetoregister 4 жыл бұрын
@@0QanonymousQ0 Not really sure why you want to take "unfair" into account. Lets anyone proxy anything. If someone is upset by that, then they care more about value of their collection than playing the game. If they are upset because they regret buying cards that someone else proxied ... maybe that is lesson learned?
@abrahamthayer4059
@abrahamthayer4059 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who has played magic for a really long time and absolutely loves the game, products like these have been making me play less and less over recent years. I basically play exclusively commander now because I just can't afford to buy full playsets of scalding tarns and bloodstained mires because I'm just a teenager who has a job that pays $13 an hour. These products have almost entirely killed the game for me.
@hydra66
@hydra66 4 жыл бұрын
Even the people with fetches and shock sets get frustrated- how do you show the scope of the game to friends when the paywall is a massive barrier to entry. I'll stick to commander and cube. Not really interested in giving value to wotc's current tactics. If you need a dual land, my playgroup's happy for you to modify an existing land with a sharpie.
@alv4ro750
@alv4ro750 4 жыл бұрын
Amen. I don't do fnm at my local lgs because the pay to win is too real. Even in standard, unless you're shelling out £40-60 on mana base alone and there's no point in playing unless you're at that level. It just becomes a one sided stomp that's not fun for anyone. Wotc is literally killing their own game by pricing out most of their player base.
@darkzero3
@darkzero3 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to play this game competitively but simply can’t withstand the amount of money it would take. Which to me is a draw back. You’re killing the drive of the players to compete with each other just for a little bit of money.
@LoxeBi
@LoxeBi 4 жыл бұрын
@@darkzero3 Competitive play? Hope you like arena, cuz GPs are gone.
@grandmasterlubu6332
@grandmasterlubu6332 4 жыл бұрын
I make almost double that hourly, and I can't afford to keep up with all this bullshit either. Like, if I save up until August 7(my birthday!), I would be able to afford a booster box of double masters. But with the new commander decks, and my various other hobbies, I doubt I'll end up getting one. Hopefully they manage to drive the prices of a couple good cards down a buck or two.
@hooliganking2659
@hooliganking2659 4 жыл бұрын
Prof, I’ve been watching your videos since I started playing last year. I’m happy to have your voice representing the players. Especially the ones without a ton of disposable income
@dametremartin4728
@dametremartin4728 4 жыл бұрын
6:25 is the same argument I’ve been making about vintage and legacy.
@mercederain3212
@mercederain3212 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting out this video. It beautifully articulates the issues my mtg community and I have been brooding on for months now, the pricetag vs. The players. I hope you continue to be honest, as you are a voice for those of us who don't know what to do about this problem.
@jamestrevelyan1268
@jamestrevelyan1268 4 жыл бұрын
Strongly agree. If we just sit back and do nothing as Wizards continues to price gouge the game and the player base for all they can, nothing will change. You’re doing a great job Prof 👍
@goatguy7002
@goatguy7002 4 жыл бұрын
I was so hiped for Commander legends, but if it keeps going this way, I will not be able to draft it, and the price will be so high, I'll not be able even to dream about buying a box. Unfortunate, I was really looking forward to it. But, what can we do, those legendary frames are sooooooo expensive to print. Thanks prof, for being the voice of our community.
@socoldag
@socoldag 4 жыл бұрын
Also, while still being amped for commander legends, what reprints will it house with everything moving into yet another overpriced set? Will we get Godzilla land leftovers?
@addambarcelos
@addambarcelos 4 жыл бұрын
at this rate, I don't even feel interested in drafting.
@haeilsey
@haeilsey 4 жыл бұрын
Plus think about how they're going to print so little of it that even the bad cards are unavailable everywhere
@goatguy7002
@goatguy7002 4 жыл бұрын
And wayfarers bauble will be upshifted to mythic. LOL
@Jinkzt3r
@Jinkzt3r 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I literally only have enough funds to participate in pre-release events and while these boxes look amazing and I definitely want one - I never will unless it’s a private, at home draft; and with how lucky I’m NOT with regular boosters, I can’t see myself paying $15 for any Masters/CE boosters.
@U.Inferno
@U.Inferno 4 жыл бұрын
A while back I mentioned to a friend about how much I liked Dragon and Angel cards. He pointed me towards Kaalia as a commander and I've been fine tuning a possible deck before I start buying everything including her (which is at around $20 right now). I was hopeful for her reprint but... well... yeah
@shadyoakum9978
@shadyoakum9978 4 жыл бұрын
Please continue to be a voice for the rest of us, I don't expect WotC to listen to your input, but I already know that they don't seem to listen to me. Thank you for your time and passion
@Military-gradenutella3068
@Military-gradenutella3068 4 жыл бұрын
WotC: “The double cost is THEMATIC! It’s so much FUN! Right, everyone!? [Nervous, forced laughter] Everyone: We love your game, but we have bills; if no one can afford to play, you’re smothering your game. Rob L: Proxies. Honestly, though, I think their trying to push the game to a electronic medium. Price a lot of people out, advertise the electronic medium hard, convert the tourneys to electronic, undercut your main suppliers; It all looks like piss-poor, top-down management or an effort to try and convert it to the electronic medium.
@franciscop631
@franciscop631 4 жыл бұрын
sad but truth
@notimeremains
@notimeremains 4 жыл бұрын
I know a lot of casual groups that are ok with having a certain amount of proxy in their EDH decks. These are people that have been playing 10-15 years but cannot keep up anymore with this piss poor placement of stuff.
@Artaimus
@Artaimus 4 жыл бұрын
It's because of Wizard's refusal to address the secondary market. The ones buying the most product are the various sites and scalpers who can afford to tear into a product upon release then resale it at "market" value. Thus we get things like fetchlands, a staple in every format they are legal in, which if you don't have them either limits your deck building or else makes your deck non-competitive, being priced anywhere from US$50 to US$200. Like was said here, there is a point at which it stops being a game and instead is just a collector's item. However a focus on such a thing has the cascade effect of reducing the number of players, reducing demand, reducing the cost and thus making those same collectors lose money and bail from the game. And a way they could fix it is remarkably simple. Extremely limited alternative artwork and foils of these staples. With a showing of maybe one of these every five boxes or so for the special kind, the increased amount of the base product would drive that normal price down far enough that the everyday player could "buy in" and participate while keeping the price of older and special copies high to keep collectors and sellers happy. Whales would still be happy since they'd have a special version to bling their decks out with and Wizards would be effectively printing money with how many people would suddenly be buying cards. Until they do however I'll be like so many others. I bought a set of two fetchlands back when they were both below US$30 and for the most part haven't bought any other product in years due to the spiraling costs of the game. This set is so far outside my budget that the moment that it's price was announced I pretty much stopped caring about it.
@iamMrRe
@iamMrRe 4 жыл бұрын
Hey prof, totally agree with ALL of your points. Really curious what would happen to the secondary market with the changes you talk about here (namely, businesses that are built around singles)....?
@andreaslaos3010
@andreaslaos3010 4 жыл бұрын
When I started playing the game drafts were the most popular event in my store. A few months ago (before the pandemic) the store stopped having draft events after only one person showed up to draft.
@h_wallace7574
@h_wallace7574 4 жыл бұрын
Bro I’m sorry that’s depressing.
@baguetten8004
@baguetten8004 4 жыл бұрын
I can relate. Drafting is really fun, but the LGS I played at before lockdown didn't really do drafts, as it was really difficult to gather 8 people to play. Sometimes we were just 4 that wanted to play, and either had to cancel, or just draft with 4 people..
@ronankelley7768
@ronankelley7768 4 жыл бұрын
Some of that also has to do with Arena. Ik my friend who loves drafting soooo much has like 3 accounts on arena and pretty much gets to draft constantly.
@TheManaLeek
@TheManaLeek 4 жыл бұрын
All this guy ever does is criticize Wizards of the Coast...for their numerous screwups and extremely bad choices in the past couple years. I just want to enjoy and afford the game again but they make it so so so hard.
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 4 жыл бұрын
Oh hey there
@Kuronosa
@Kuronosa 4 жыл бұрын
Oh hey! It's John from the Mana Leek.
@ultra2019
@ultra2019 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. You're back on my good side. I just looked at Amazon and saw Battlebond (and many others like Modern Horizons) at far less than 299.99, which is a price that will go up for Double Masters in my opinion. And considering that we don't even know the catalog of cards for Double Masters, it is safe to say that the fix is in for all those at Wizards and their friends, who are "double" dealing in the secondary market. F's in chat.
@mbentley6
@mbentley6 4 жыл бұрын
I don't play this game anymore and ended up giving my cards to my friends. But this channel was always a good recourse for help.
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