Loving the new setup Jon - keep up the great content! 🙂

So hard to find a video where I agree with everything that’s said, and also do differently as well. Great stuff sir! You’re very polite and pleasant to watch!

You could run wet/dry, or wet/dry/wet with a single Tonex pedal. Run the left output of Tonex direct to 1 channel of a mixer. Run the right output to a delay or modulation pedal with Kill dry function. Then run out of the pedal to a separate channel or channels (if running stereo) on the mixer, then out to studio monitors. You can blend how much wet signal you want against the dry by adjusting the faders on the mixer. I’ve been running my Strymon Iridum like this and more recently my Bluguitar Amp 1. It sounds epic!!

Everything you’ve said is right. I always hated my delay in the loop though because I always ran my Marshall power amp hot and I didn’t like the power amp effect on the delay. It may have been subtle but I could hear it. So this missing feature isn’t a miss for me but more due to my preference than it not being an oversight potentially on IKs part.

It will be interesting to see what signal paths folks come up with. I have a Plethora running after the TONEX pedal in stereo and it sounds great to my amateur ears. Still waiting for MIDI controller to come in. Great times to be a guitarists!

Great video. Just like Max I've been running effects after the IR section for years with the Fractal. To me it feels and sounds better then what I typically get out of my amp effects loop. Wish I could run an effects loop after the power section on a Vox for instance without having to purchase something like the power station to do it. Definitely will be getting one of these Tonex pedals. Such a freaking killer idea.

The real problem is that you have a compressor and a reverb built in that you can't use without the FX loop if you have a more extended pedalbord. You have the compressor, but if you are using an ovedrive before the tonex, than you can't use that compressor. You have a reverb, but if you have a delay, you should put the reverb after that, so you can't use it neither. The smart move would have been No FX Loop, No built in effects. Just amp. Now I have two effects I can't use and that will just sit there and the pedalboard will remain of the same dimensions. On another more important note: try the Amp1 from BluGuitar. That is an incredible unit, built by a great guitarist for the guitarists and I still have to find one single flaw. Cheers and great videos! Keep up!

I really did't see the need for an effects loop on the Tonex until, I was doing an A B comparison with my other pedalboard. My other board is similar, instead of the Tonex I use a Neunaber Neuron preamp to a plethora x5 to a specular reverb and out to a pair of two note cabm. On the Tonex board it's Tonex to plethora to specular reverb to temple audio active stereo di. My first board effects sound more connected and overall complete tone "to my ears". The Tonex board the delays and reverbs are not coming thru as lush and present seems more disconnected as you mentioned. Now if I play a gig with either board, I feel good about the tone. It's just while at home making detailed comparison.

A storm in a glass of water ...in decades I haven't seen a guitar player placing any effect between the amp and the cab ...all time base effects such as delays, and reverb and sometimes chorus and others have all gone after the cab/IR section while we know that gates, compressors, octaver, dist & Overdrive plus phaser and flangers usually go in front and the result was always more than satisfactory. The strenght of the Tonex is its capability to get ...amp models much more similar or very close to the original amp than any other so-called profilers like the Kemper can do today etc., ...technology has evolved as it was supposed to be so it makes no wonder why this pedal is now finding a lot of guitar players so interested as long as we don't expect from it what it wasn't planned for. Perhaps a future step will see added all the other peculiarities that will make it a single piece solution but that's still to come.

Probably mentioned by others but what I never hear when talking about the missing effects loop is... being able to use the USB audio interface. It becomes obsolete if you have to run line out into effects. Of course you can run your effects first but then that is totally different as you've spoken about it. As of yet I haven't had a chance to try out a Tonex, but I never hear folks talking about the response of a profiled amp compared with a real amp in terms of the sound of distortion as the gain increases. Surely when you're profiling an amp, you are really only capturing the essence of the amp at a single gain setting of its preamp and power amp. A clean Fender needs a different profile than a distorted Fender. The future is bright for more dynamic processing of course, including the ability to do all the capturing with the single device and not requiring additional software and proprietary interfaces. Thanks for the vid. Cheers!

I have a Line 6 Catalyst 60W and the new Tonex One on the way and I have a pedal board with some effects that I would like to use. So will this work fine with the ToneX going into delay or chorus and then into the return port of my catalyst?

I'm genuinely interested in hearing what you think about this. To me there is a vibe when effects hit a real power amp and speaker that's different to effects being added afterwards. Probably doesn't matter that much - especially when you think about the audience - but it's been making me think.

Will this tonex pedal allow me to capture my amp for blues and then roll off my guitar volume for fine gain adjustment, or does the amp need to be captured several times? I don't want to be having to push the pedal for different gain levels (clean/mild overdrive/crunch)

I am quite new on my path of learning guitar technology and how to use various connections. I have a line 6 catalyst amp that has a power amp option via the the effects loop connections. I have a pedal collection I would like to use. Just trying to work out how I would connect a Tonex? Do I just use as another pedal, overdrives into tonnex into modulation and then into the normal input (guitar) of the amp? Alternatively does it go in the power amp section of the amp, does this require the pedals to go into the normal input on the amp or are they connected to the tonex in the power amp section of the amp. I am looking at whether perhaps a line 6 helix stomp or whether things like boss ir200, walrus audio or stymon amp simulator. They all seem to have different connection options and I am confused. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much for your work on the Tonex Pedal. I am strongly considering to buy one as I am using the AmpliTube plugin for years and absolutely loving it. What I am concerned about is using effects like delay (having a Eventide MicroPitch trying to recreate some EVH like sounds) after the Tonex: As i understand the pedal creates a direct out signal which can be sent directly to a power amp or PA. Now, will adding effects afterwards affect the quality (signal level, dynamics etc.)?

How about chorus, phaser, rotary and flangers? Would there be a difference if you place them before or after the IR cab?

How do you think Boss Katana is it good for Tonex? We can put for example all reverbs delays etc... before the amp in the chain.

Hi mate, considering a tonex to create a stereo signal path from my VH2, I have a g3 so that can handle the signal split but my concern is that one side would have IRs right at the end of the chain, through my captor load box and the other side would have IR before hitting the delay. The more I write this and draw it out I think in my case I need an FX loop, I'll essentially be doing an A/B audio demo everytime I play. Would appreciate your thoughts, cheers

My plan is to put Tonex after my drives and before my delays and reverbs , but also I’ll use my Torpedo Cab in the end of my chain using power amp and Cab simulator from Torpedo

Could you put fuzz / dist / od pedals into front of amp, then tonex first in the chain through the fx loop via a switcher?

I heard the tonex can also reproduce fractions of a guitar tone such as drive+preamp. Can i just use this in conjunction with a poweramp+ir simulator like the Engl cab loader and put my favorite effects in the middle? If yes: could i also split the Signal and run one pre-Signal into a Real Tube poweramp? Please do a Test!! BTW: good channel

the way I understand it, if you want to interrupt the signal going from the preamp model to the poweramp->speaker models and pass it through external effects that would mean an additional DA-AD stage, which honestly doesn't sound like it's worth the added complexity/price/latency

Thanks for the video. I understand your point. Personally, I don't consider reverbs and delays as effects per se because they don't change the sound. Instead, they create a sense of space or location, simulating the environment or room where the sound will be situated. So, if we use them in front of an amp, it's not a matter of right or wrong; it's simply using them as an effect or modulation, much like Van Halen. Therefore, they no longer serve as natural room simulators for our sound, if you know what I mean. That's why I really miss an FX LOOP in Tone X. Having said that, you can always use reverb and delay, and decrease the amount of mixing them to avoid the unclear sound that comes from using them in front of an amp.

interesting...got me thinking. In my Helix I can (and sometimes do) put my delays/reverb before the cab but pretty sure I can't put them between pre-amp and power amp (like in a real amp's FX loop). I even dug out Bias Amp where you can build your own modelled amp but once again there's no option for a send and return between pre-amp and power amp stage. I still think IKMultimedia missed a trick with no FX loop (if only for the headphone playing to yourself option) but not the killer miss some seem to be suggesting. Also love the idea that you could buy two for still less than a Kemper and have way more routing/amp opportunities opened up. Nice pone, cheers.

I don’t really use IR’s , I usually use amps but I do have an Atomic Amplifire 6 that I use rarely. It’s older I know but sounds decent and I like the fact that it does have a pretty good stereo fx loop.

Just throwing this out there....I know Kemper has a speaker that you can use with their profilers. Is it possible that IK Multimedia could at some point could release a speaker that would allow use of an effects loop? Seeing how popular the Tonex Pedal is I wouldn't be surprised if more products in this line are in the works.

+1 quad cortex, you could totally do a preamp and power amp captures separately and put delays between them

Thanx for explain the linear signal concept, it's very helpful to understand the TONEX. But, cm'on, evreyone already knows that guitarists have O.C.D. when lt comes to their signal paths. Of course we're gonna fall apart if we don't get our fx send-return.

Ampero Stomp 2 can do this.. Preamp block, then effects, then power amp block.. AXE FX can also do this but it just requires a good amount of tweaking.. Basically, you can match any pre-amp with any power amp you like, and also put whatever effects you like between the two.

Personally I've been doing delay and reverb after the ir cab in the axe fx and the studio mix is done the same way. So i dont have a problem with tonex not having an effects loop - it doesnt make sense for me to have it. it would also increase the size of it.

In the last 3 years, after 47 years playing guitar, I've felt like the veritable caveman exiting the cave for the first time and seeing all the colours, light and possibilities, thanks to the incredible advances in guitar sound processing. The problem I have is, like that caveman, I think I'll be heading back into the cave where it's dark and safe 😂😂😂😂 I mean, I have my tech - Headrush MX5 into Logic Pro on my mac for recording - and it's good enough for anything I am recording for myself or clients (BBC included bless their decent paying socks) but I still feel that live, like Jon, I would feel odd giving up my crappy old pedals into my Fender/Marshall rig. Seeing as "live" work is not a big issue these days at my age, I was never tempted by the "big boy" rigs like the Kempers, but the ToneX has got my credit card worried again. The fact it can be integrated so nicely into Logic and had great, tried and tested software for onscreen editing, is a massive plus to me. I know I'm already sold on it haha... but, the drummer has just boiled up some mammoth skins and bones for his kit back in the cave, the bassist is able to stand without scaffolding and the singer is dancing around the fire, so I had better get back in the nice, dark, warm cave. Shhh... not a word to them, it'll only confuse them more than me 👍👍👍

Adding an effectloop would double the latency. I know the Tonex offers 3 ms, so adding another ADDA conversion would make that 6 which is perfectly fine. But any other digital effect you then add to the signal chain might add a bit of latency to the signal except when it has a analog/digital mixer for the dry/wet effect. With a multi-effectsprocessor you don't have this problem.

It would be great if it had an fx loop, but like you said, Kemper, Axefx, and Helix don't have a true fx loop. And I think it would probably take up a ton of dsp and processing to split the preamp, power amp and cabinet sections of the capture.

SPOT ON! Since I switched to Axe fx, I’m running effects after IR Cab and it sounds absolutely amazing.

I like the filtering you get from putting delays and reverb before the ir, it may not drive the power amp/speaker in the same way but it does sound different so taking that option away for me is not ideal

The scenario that I would care having an fx loop is headphones practice with only my pedalboard, I prefer wet effects after the amp, and if I can only plug in headphones to a tonex then I wont have effects

I just really like listening to you talk…

The clarification here though is that it would have been nice to put the delays/reverbs post AMP/IR into the pedal so you can use the headphone out of the TONEX, in the current state you need to run the before the amp as most delays and reverbs are not going to have an headpone out.

The implementation of effects loops was to allow you to put clean effects into the amp without adding gain. In a silent rig, putting effects after “the speaker” still allows for these effects to be undisturbed by the gain of the preamp. This is something we can do in the Helix and I don’t find a significant difference. Using the 2notes CabM can take this even a step further by separating the preamp and the power amp.

It’s not a deal breaker. Running the effects post does sound great. The issue is that it defeats the purpose of the onboard reverb, as you now can’t run a delay before the reverb but after the amp. So now you have to run a delay and reverb after the Tonex. The built in reverb is kinda pointless then. Second, it defeats the purpose of it being an interface. It can’t send anything post to the daw without a loop. So now you’d need to get a second interface to record your delay and reverb. The interface is sort of a waste as well. If it had a loop with trs balanced outs to front of house it would be more functional as an end of chain device.

Great video but I don’t get why putting delay (stereo in my case) before the ToneX pedal would give me mono out (the pedal’s reverb is stereo)

That would be nice for tonex Mk2 Also tuning feature (all in one pedal)😅

Delay does not sound correct. I appreciate you being benevolent. However, when I hook up my boss delay after the thing it doesn’t sound like it does in the loop that sounds weird not happy.

Maybe then the setup should look like this: drives--> Tonex 1 (amp only/no cab)--> Delays --> Tonex 2 (cab only) 🙂 Great video. Thank you!

I think many of us guitar players are not going to purchase ToneX for live gigs because of no effect loop. I guess we will see if I’m right or wrong. Thanks for your video.

Well, that was quick. Back to the Kemper!

Whst you mean to say is that this is a real problem for modellers that use IR capture technology : they capture the entire chain, (even the mic :)). You cannot change anything in this chain after it is modelled, unlike when you use the original amp, where you can add effects between the pre- and power that will change yhe eignal chsin :). (and as a 'bonus', it will not sound like the the original amp, but like the original amp recorded with a mic, a little detail that is usdually conveniently ignored by the manufacturers and YT reviewers ;)

The effects loop should be, period! Then there will be no compromises and dances with a tambourine ... We will hopefully wait for TONEХ MK2)))

What about Modulation effects…?

Run this into fx return/pwr amp in of most amps from your board in a 4 cable method w midi and it shouldnt be an issue.

Not adding an effects loop of it is the dumbest thing they do when the price is almost the same as the boss ir-200. 🤘✌

Makes you wonder how so many great albums were made when effects loops weren’t even a thing. LOL. Growing up, my Marshall heads, including my Plexi and JCM 800 didn’t even have effects loops. How did we ever get by?!?

I like to use whammy and Wah after the drive, I think it won't work with a Tonex =/

Running with dual Tonex pedals would also solve the concern of needing a backup.

I think IRs are what make amp sims sound fake. I thought the ToneX could reproduce the entire signal path including the mic and cabinet. Is that not the case?

The Great pottery throwdown

That's the way I use the two notes cabm...

Plug it straight into a pa mixer. See how well it sounds

Robert smith has a huge guitar tone and super wet and all his effects are pre the amp like old days, if its good enough for Robert its good enough for me

It’s called a power amp in a speaker you buy a power ramp like a martial law wrap and you plug the turn action to it. Can you plug a power amp into a speaker Wala the only other way to do it and I have to tell you I have a toilet and the light sound.

Someone complaining about the lack of fxloop on the tonex just illustrates the lack of understanding of where the fxloop sits in the chain and how amp works. How on Earth can you insert and fxloop between the preamp and poweramp on an amp capture that capture the preamp and poweramp at the same time and combined???

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This isn't that hard to understand: Effects Loop: Gtr into amp to pre amp then fx loop out pedals into fx loop in then to power amp > cabinet...... Tonex Loop: Gtr into Tonex ... Tonex out to fx... fx into power amp > cabinet (if not using cab sim)... TONEX IS A PRE AMP!... dosent need an fx loop to insert fx before a power amp.....Because TONEX Doesn't have a power amp. IRs dont' effect pedals..

It seems somebody just watched the ToneJunkie ToneX video and got schooled..

stick to one camera man, it doesn't work

This definitely has the flavor of corporate backlash back peddling.

That's the way I use the two notes cabm...