Either one could win 2 of 3 over the other. I would definitely favor Larry that's for sure.

Larry would not beat a prime Ali no matter what he says. The difference between them would be Ali's agility-he would probably be able to slip many of Larry's punches. Also, Ali's conditioning was superior to that of Larry's. For example, Ali had been in THREE gruelling fights with Frazier.

What? They didnt made list by your fantasy fight they consider a lot of thing you dont know about that, dempsey changes world boxing and joe louis changes boxing style and fraizer was always saying the classic boxer like dempsey louis marciano can beats me easily and did you watch any fight of louis? Dempsey? Dempsey was a monster and if we should consider fantasy match up i think dempsey can knockout fraizer,this is right about dempsey against foreman or ali

​@@aqeelyousuf31Larry could have easily taken 2 of 3 over Ali. Just because the sporting press goes along with that "greatest" crap doesn't make it so.

And he would have beaten Marciano too. He took the heaviest shot in the history of he heavywe9ght division from ernie shavers that would have killed most men but he just got up and won

Larry Holmes is the only man in heavyweight history to lose the heavy belt to the light heavy champ. Dempsey KO'd Conn, Marciano KO'd Moore. Larry doesn't make the top ten.

@@Boxrec297 Come on , Larry was already 36 vs Spinks. Plus, everybody knows he won the rematch, 40 out of 46 experts ringside ( unnofical referees, boxing experts etc ) gave the fight to Holmes the second fight.

@@Boxrec297 he was fifty fights deep at that point on the slide and both those fights could have gone either way and if he wasn't about to match Marciano's 49-0 with that he probably would have got the nod.. Larry Holmes is top 5 he's so fuckin disrespected

@@justinfletcher7630 Larry Holmes isn't top ten. He gets way more respect than he deserves.

Yes, it is true that Marciano was the typical size of a Cruiserweight in today's boxing, but Marciano would have literally killed any Cruiserweight of any era with his hands. That's why Marciano was a true heavyweight despite his size. Marciano hit like a truck, he was hard to hit clean, and he had short arms which gave him even more leverage, and power on the inside. Nobody could survive on the inside with Marciano, and I mean that for any boxer that has ever lived in the heavyweight division. That little heavyweight body was tailor made for war. Most bigger guys can't hit with full power when they are throwing short punches on the inside like Marciano did. It helps to be the smaller guy if your style is tailor made for your body type. Also, Marciano wasn't as slow and plodding as people make him out to be. He was deceptively quick, and elusive, but he did it in a very subtle way that was less asthetically appealing to the casual observer. His chin, and his toughness were inhuman, and he always fought against guys that were 40 or 50 pounds bigger than him. It didn't matter much once they were laid out on the canvas. People forget that he was being underestimated even back when he was still fighting before he became champion. Nobody believed the hype at first, but they all found out the hard way how great he really was.

Fury with his size couldnt ko a 38 yr old klitschko! and hes only fought 3 universally ranked fighters in his 16 year career...Furys a big bum imo....If anything mike Tyson and holyfield were special especially tyson because of their small HW size! Tyson absolutely destroyed a 37 yr old basically undefeated holmes......But Fury given his size couldnt do the same to Vlad....instead he patty caked his way to a boring decision! just my opinion.

39 but you right@@stavros693000

on his channel

"By 1980 Muhammad Ali was getting beat by the tricky floor every time he tried to walk forward thanks to a management team who were criminally negligent." would have been my response to Holmes. In fairness, Larry Holmes had been punched in the head about 50 thousand times, AND sounds as though he has a 50/50 shot at failing a field sobriety test or a basic quiz about the names of the items sitting in the room he's in, or, frankly, a quiz about what room he's in and what his own name is. Taking his damage into consideration, he gives the answer which any true, red blooded person who believes they're the champion would give....it's just that typically they sound off like this while they're still fighting, and in later years, if their mind is there, typically become more humble and sensitive. Also, it cannot be overstated the fact that Larry Holmes had zero authentic charisma and won a vacant title in the immediate aftermath of the most charismatic fighter in history, and give their own personal history, constantly had to battle detractors and fight for his deserved legacy against those pundits and talking heads who are always hellbent on waxing poetic about the glorious good 'ol days, or, perhaps, about how things will be at some later, far off time, and generally turn the channel to contemplate the legacy of a giant for an extended period, usually missing entirely the next comer-upper while they eulogize the recent past & ignore the "right now." Holmes falls to the giants he was often overshadowed by in terms of charisma and public perception, which, regardless of whether in reality they were better than, is the quintessential component of these entire debate-lists.

Dude...Dementia Pugilistica is a hell of a condition. Come on man. Holmes is way beyond it here

Did you not understand what he was saying? Dude was heavyweight champion forever, was getting robbed by his promoter, and you don't have to guess who that was. He made his comeback and yes after the Tyson fight he had some quality wins against legit contenders. But what he's saying the second run was more successful for him because he did not have that promoter in his corner and made more money. Can you imagine that, Larry should of killed the guy. As for his speech, wth, his plenty coherent for me, even a year or two ago he did a long interview and sounded good. You trying to make it sound like he's like Tommy hearns or Riddick bowe.

don't get me wromg. i have total respect for larry. he had maybe the best and hardest jab in history@@sleazyfellow

i love to watch boxing, but i am in no way a student of the sport. so ,i you are ,then i will respect your opinion. all i commented on was what i saw

@@oldmcdonald3376 You're good man who knows. It's annoying to hear him bitching about stuff, but at the same time I don't really think the poor guy knows what decade it is when this was filmed. Imagine getting hit by those punches those guys take, but then you do it 50,000 times.

Larry never a charismatic personality, eloquent speaker or knockout artist that had the unfortunate timing to follow perhaps the greatest fighter of all time and always seemed to feel he had to defend himself. His dealings with the media brought out the worst. He was bitter, defensive and surly and it showed.

Dementia Pugilistica? Holmes doesn't realize he's not on trial in "legacy Court," and likely tried to button his socks before leaving the house that day.

Larry has always been bitter. And I'm sure if you mention foremans name even today you gotta duck.

​@@BufordTGleasonHe was treated like crap by the media!!! Always. Go a few miles in his shoes and you'd be bitter as well.

​@@sleazyfellowWhy? They never fought. Plus they are friends and have been for a long time.

Tweaking boi gotta bump Tyson down 2 spots and go Ali Liston Foreman Holmes Lewis you could split Holyfield tyson for roids and other stuff then Louis and marciano

What about jack Johnson

@@user-ok5 He was great for his time, but would have been destroyed by the guys mentioned in this comment.

Bowe was a better fighter than Holyfield

@@Runningitthroughyou Marciano? I don't care what anybody says...at 5' 8" tall, weighing 180lbs is much to small to think that he could hang with ANY of the big fellas.

Larry wasn't suffering from dementia and he succinctly, very coherently, gave a remarkable assessment of why he objectively percieved himself as # 1 . The subtle context elaborated by the host ,guest of Larry's obstacles, inherent vices , that placed him at #10 as opposed to Larry's subjective opinion of himself at the apex top wasn't mean spirited ,desparaging his legacy antagonisticism ,it was based upon rational observations. Larry Holmes has full command of his faculties,he didn't obsorb a tremendous amount of punishment, he always essentially articulated himself inthe same verbal ,decorum from his professional boxing youth until now ,his masterful intrinisic boxing style ,which consisted of a excellent defensive strategy intertwined with extraordinary offensive aplomb was why he left the profession with his braincells intact . There's nothing debilitating about Larry Holmes aesthetic or verbiage in this segment. I don't objectively percieved Larry Holmes as #1 , currently or during that moment ,but he's sure better than #10 by at least 6 / 7spots minimum.

Are you serious or just stupid. Larry is just fine. You should see your doctor for a functional test.

Frazier was the man from 1967 - 1973. He gave Ali his first loss and he had one of the best left hooks in the history of the sport.

Because Frazier didn’t lose to guys like Spinks or have life & death with Witherspoon, Weaver or an over the hill Norton.

He couldnt carry larrys jockstrap, what about the 1st term stupid? Larry didnt need to come back and put things right 2nd time around because he did it all and more the 1st time, thats what champions do. He came back for money when he was over the hill and he admitted that.

@@deathfromabove592 Holmes lost twice to Spinks, that's worse than losing to an all time great like Ali. They were both champions and both lost their titles, both came back and only one of them managed to recapture it. Never seen a more insecure champion than Holmes either, less than 5mins into this video and he's mentioning how he's the only one stop Ali lmfao. Lifting his finger and taking credit beating a guy with advanced Parkinsons

@@casualxxgamerxx9662 Larry was already 36 vs Spinks and everybody knew he got robbed the second fight. 40 out of 46 experts rinside gave him the decision

​@@deathfromabove592you have lost self control in first sentence itself hence your comment has no value

@@wahabbaig9830 Appalling grammar.

Sugar ray robetson? Heavyweight? Joe lewis? Please dont write comments about boxing

Holmes would of been interesting to see, they did spar. And the fight with Norton wouldn't happen, they were both under Futch. But going by how Norton got handled by big hitters it's not hard to believe Frazier stopping him inside 4 or 5 rounds.

Norton got the best of Joe in the sparring sessions before the Jamaica title defense against Foreman. That is what worried Eddie Futch who trained both of them. Joe got lazy, out of shape and treated George like a nobody even though he repeated Joe's performance with an Olympic gold medal. Big mistake only to get clobbered out in 2 rounds. The Frazier of 1969 - 1971 has a better chance of beating George. He was in better shape, he was faster moving his head, faster getting inside and his punches were snappier. The way he fought Chuvalo who was a strong guy himself, was the way he should have fought Foreman. Stay low, stay close, work off the hip with his punches. With that being said, George's greatest wins were against Frazier and Norton. Moorer was his best win as old George in the 1990s.

😂 The arguments against Marciano regarding competition are every bit as valid against Holmes.

Mike was significantly younger. Mike was 22. Holmes was 38 and in retirement for almost 2 years when he fought Mike. Muhammad Ali was roughly around 38 when he fought Holmes (who was 31). i know you’re trying to make a point. but you’re looking at things at face value and not providing the necessary context. doesnt help your case. haha

@@markjackson6431 you are looking at age only not the health condition ha ha and 31 is a prime age only plus experiece where tyson was less exp

@@wahabbaig9830 i didn’t mention the health condition because he was already experiencing symptoms by atleast 1977. Ali’s health for whatever reason was good enough to pass those Mayo tests. 31 is not a prime age for a fighter. especially when you’re taking hit after hit and your reflexes become slower and slower. most of the big name heavyweights we discuss won a title in their 20s. you can’t possibly tell me a 34 year old Ali was better than a 24 year old Clay 😂

@@markjackson6431 if you dont count more than evident diff in health of holmes and ali then ok keep laughing and at 32 ali beat foreman 25 yrs whose terror was not less than prime tyson

@@wahabbaig9830 huh? what are you saying? i can’t understand what you’re trying to say.

Jeffries , Dempsey and Tunney drew color line, Tunney fought 0 Blacks. Jeffries drew color line on young Johnson in 1904 while Dempsey fought 1 black fighter entire career. Lester Johnson whom broke a couple of Dempseys ribs in rout e to highly disputed draw, Dempsey and Tunney are recorded in public speeches drawing color line.

I believe thats why many top 10 list don't include Jeffries , Dempsey and Tunney.

@@user-vb4rc8tt6n I think most Top 10 Lists do include Dempsey.

@@Baskerville22 shouldn't , he never fought Harry Wills Wills was his no.1 contender for 5 years of his watered down reign.

@@Baskerville22Mine doesn't. . Ali, Louis Holmes, Lewis, Johnson, Holy,, Tyson, ,ForemanFrazier,,Wlad, Bowe...

Based on what? Beating Gerry Cooney? Mike Weaver? A fossilised Muhammad Ali? Holmes’ reign was a garbage dump.

Larry would have outpointed George 90% of the time if they fought.

@@Priceluked It only takes one good punch and George would have landed it.

I reckon Larry would have taken George’s power well. Just like he did against Shavers, who punches just as hard, if not harder than Foreman.

George beats Larry if he can finish him where Shavers didn't. Larry would outpoint George the same way Jimmy Young did, probably worse and with a wider margin in the decision.

He hardly outpointed Old man shavers and ancient Norton@@Priceluked

Context ,a retired , Ali, envious of Holmes ,his former sparring partners ascension into becoming a dominant heavyweight champ after his retirement,, challenged and began desparaging Larry Holmes who had obsolutely no desire to validate his reign by wanting a match against the great Muhammad Ali. Larry Holmes was placed in a lose ,lose , predicament, no matter what the bouts outcome ,he was only going to intensify the irrational angst by the nonobjective fans ,media against him . Larry Holmes isn't supposed to give his assessment about his victory while Muhammad Ali was granted limitless access to vocalize his triumphant success ? I'm.a Muhammad Ali fan ,in the ring and outside of it from a spiritual ,ethic cultural nonliberal,African American male perspective but I'm also objective ,Larry Holmes was never going to succeed at winning over his detractors after the Muhammad Ali bout ,if he won but struggled ,he would be deemed subpar ,if he demolished Ali ,he merely beat a old man .Larry Holmes reserved the right to be just as adamantly outspoken on his win over Muhammad Ali,as Ali was in his victories . Muhammad Ali shouldn't have taken the bout ,Larry Holmes was actually sympathetic towards him in the ring ,he could have savagely pummeled him into a early brutal stoppage . The Larry Holmes angst by folks including my African American fraternity is baffling .

tell me about. Im like bro you lost to a puny Michael Spinks who didnt even make top 10.. According to his logic he beat ALI so he should be #1..well Spinks beat you he should be #1. SMH Narccist at best lol

Go look at Ali and his record in the 60s. Old men and a few light heavyweight fighters . Also over the hill guys, has beens and never was guys. Seriously Archie Moore was almost 49, Doug Jones,Henry Cooper twice, Karl Milldenberger, Chuvalo,Patterson, Liston who may have been past 40 years old, Zora Foley, Brian London, a shot Cleveland Williams and a bunch of other no names. Most of the guys I named are cruiserweight or light heavyweights. Chuvalo made Ali piss blood for a week. He was 6 ft and barely 200 pounds soaking wet. Yet Ali couldn't knock him out or down . When you peel back the layers of BS and look at him objectively instead of a defied light you can clearly see he's like most of the great HW champs. A few really good fighters and mostly nobody's. Ali is one of the greatest no doubt. His competition is better in the 70s. One other thing his trainer Angelo Dundee had a brother named Chris who was very close with Frankie Carbo. Big time Mafia guy. Guess who he controlled ? Sonny Liston!! These are facts not some conspiracy crap. To me it explains why the second fight with Liston was so easy. Ali himself knew Liston took a dive. Even their first fight is shady as hell once you know the background. Knowing about boxing is way more than listening to talking heads,KZfaq and looking up records on Google.

And who are you ?

I guarantee you Larry Holmes doesn't know 1% of what Bert Sugar knows about boxing history. Larry was full of shit during his career and after it, probably before his career too

How about I put your ass in the trash can, ffs silly comment sugar was a very knowledgeable boxing historian. You ever boxed I'm 45 and still having knocks

@@casualxxgamerxx9662 LMAO FActs..He always be a whiny crybaby to me. RIP to the most coolest cat to ever critique boxing Bert Sugar and he did it with High Class

Larry knows only about himself how can anyone take his words boastig about beatng an affected ali how can he be realistic

Lacking speed??